If you want a detailed explanation of how I view the Covenant of Faith or Promis and the New Covenant, please go read the very first posting on Page 1 of this thread.

It has been a long thread, and maybe you forgot that this was my original posting that T4T reposted.

May YAHWEH bless and keep all who seek His Face,

quote:

---

brmarty wrote: “Dave, I believe the problem you are having is failing to understand that YAHSHUA IS A YAHWEH AND SO IS FATHER YAH. Together they are ELOHIYM, a plural title. Individually they are ELs, which is a singular title.”

---

If that were the case then Yahshua would not be Yahweh’s real son but just call himself Yahweh’s son.

quote:

---

brmarty wrote: “KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YAHWEH(the Father), and the Word was YAHWEH(the Son).
2 The same was in the beginning with YAHWEH(the Father).
3 All things were made by him(the Father); and without him (the Son) was not any thing made that was made."

---

You are understanding that passage by misunderstanding the definition of the “word.” Up until the book of John “word” meant voice or commands and Yahweh’s word meant His voice and commands.

Ps 33:6 By the WORD of Yahweh were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Ps 148:5 Let them praise the name of Yahweh: for he commanded, and they were created.

Yahweh spoke and creation appeared. Hebrew scholars tell us the literal translation of Gen 1:3 is: God said, “Light be, light was.”
Ge 1:3 And God said, 6 and God said, 9 and God said, 11 and God said, 14 and God said, 20 and God said, 24 and God said, 26 and God said.

God said universe be, universe was.

Ro 4:17 God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth *(2564) those things which be not as though they were.

*#2564 kaleo: to call aloud, utter in a loud voice.

Yahweh speaks, calls, or commands with His voice words that bring into being whatever His word so specifies, He said, “My word... shall accomplish that which I please” (Is 55:11). Things that do not yet exist but are predestined to be only await His word and then they are.

quote:

---

brmarty wrote: “YAHSHUA WAS FATHER YAH'S SON FROM THE BEGINNING.”

---

Since Yahshua was “made of a woman” it would appear he had to wait for that woman first.

quote:

---

brmarty wrote: “When we talk about YAHSHUA, we must remember that He was the expressed image of the Father”

---

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness (541) of [his] glory, and the express image (5481) of his person (5287), and upholding all things by the word (4487) of his power.

#541 apaugasma, AV-brightness 1; total 1. Definition: reflected brightness.
#5481 charakter; AV-express image 1; total 1. Definition: the instrument used for engraving or carving, the mark stamped upon that instrument or wrought out on it [as on a coin or seal, (Vine)], a mark or figure burned in or stamped on, an impression.
#5287 hupostasis; AV-confidence 2, confident 1, person 1, substance 1; total 5. Definition: Literally a standing under (hupo- under, stasis- a standing, substructure, foundation, a substance, real being, firmness, steadfastness, courage, resolution, confidence.
#4487 rhema [from #4483 rheo, speak, say, utter] AV-word 56, saying 9, thing 3, no thing + 3756 1, not tr 1; total 70. Definition: that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word, any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning, speech, discourse, an utterance.

Yahshua reflects the brightness of Yahweh’s glory, something like the moon reflects the sun. Like Paul says in Corinthians, “For God (Yahweh), who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Yahshua Messiah” (2Co 4:6). Yahshua does not have his own source of glory, just as the moon doesn’t have its own source of light. Yahshua is not Almighty God but passes on God’s glory and brightness perfectly.

This Greek word charakter, is where our English words character and characteristic come from. It is not as much an image as an imprint that shows all the characteristics of the original. Yahshua displayed the hupostasis of Yahweh, which is the confidence, resolve and foundation of Yahweh. Maybe this is why the people were so amazed and dumbfounded by his incredible authority and power as mentioned in the Gospels.

quote:

---

brmarty wrote: “Let us reason together Dave. Who is your Father? And if you say Father YAH, what family are you apart of, YAHWEH'S FAMILY OR ISRAEL's Family?”

---

Sorry that I have not gotten back unto you, for there has been somewhat of a conspiracy going on, and I found myself inadvertantly right in the middle of it! I expect you're aware, so enough of this!

You said:

"So, since you have to have faith in Messiah to be an Israelite and also have to have faith in Messiah to be saved then all Israel will be saved since only Israel believes in Messiah.
Surely, this is true, yet it is not true that all who believe in Yahshua will be saved, for their is a belief that is not unto salvation, and this is one of the difficulties that occurs, when the preaching that "all Israel will be saved," is given. The followers of the cheap grace heresy will readily agree on "all Israel," but clearly, these will be told "Depart from Me!"

This doesn’t help us understand Ezekiel 37 but it does help us with Jeremiah 31.
Jer 31:33 This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
This covenant you have handily understood doesn't speak to the literal Israelites [saving the those who are also of Spiritual Israel]. Why is it that you cannot also see the same for Ezekiel? This Conditional prophecy which was presented through Ezekiel, spoke of that which would truly happen to literal Israel, if she had lived according to the condition! This didn't happen, and therefore it too applies to the spiritual Israel of Elohim. What's so difficult about that?

This New Covenant was mediated, confirmed and dedicated by none other then Yahshua Messiah. Yahshua is the door we enter in to reconcile with Yahweh. If you’re a Jew forget who you’re descended from, if you’re a Gentile don’t worry because Yahweh has changed the rules and everybody has to line up outside the door to be eligible to partake of this covenant and qualify as Israel."
[i]Again, this is certain, and according to the Scriptures, and according to that manner whereby I too see what is going on! HalleluYah!

Dave52: I would ask you this as a brother, for a hearing, for I have a policy to read all that is before me on this area, and if you find that you exclude me, because of my active imagination, then there may be some here who don't have your knowledge, and they are actually receiving my words as the words of a talented brother. This, of course would be a hurtful thing, for me that I lead astray, for the brother/sister who is following after what I say, and as well, for you, for you aren't living up to your duty to put the truth across to those who are being led astray by my words.

I am not in any way arguing with you Dave52, for we seem to see very well together, from these few words. But I always want to be accountable to the brethren & sisters here, for if that is not valid, then acually anyone could come, and with stories, steal the hearts of the people, like Absalom did! All blessings unto you, brother, and thank you for being frank! I thought I too would be! Shalom!

Hi Dave,

I see we have a fundamental difference of understanding. You do not believe YAHSHUA pre-existed as FATHER YAH's Son, I do.

you said,

"If that were the case then Yahshua would not be Yahweh’s real son but just call himself Yahweh’s son."

Who made that conclusion? Do you go around calling yourself son? I usually use my name. If my family name is Wilson, I am known as Wilson, not son, although I am a son of my father.

Furthermore, YAHSHUA did reveal that HE WAS HIS SON before the foundation of the world,

"KJV John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."

What was that? YAHWEH THE FATHER LOVED WHO BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD? YAHSHUA HIS SON, NOT HIMSELF.

"KJV Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"

Who do you suppose this verse is referring to? What is His name and His Son's name?

"KJV Ecclesiastes 12:1 Remember now thy Creator (Creators, plural in the Hebrew)in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;"

Go back to the Hebrew and use your Hebrew scholars. They will tell you that the Hebrew word for "creator" in this verse is absolutely "creators" plural.

And, there are many more examples that show 2 YAHWEHS existing in the Old Testament.

you said,

"You are understanding that passage by misunderstanding the definition of the “word.” Up until the book of John “word” meant voice or commands and Yahweh’s word meant His voice and commands."

I am going to have to honorably disagree with you here. I believe you are the entity that is misunderstanding what "Word" means. However, because I am familiar with your "oneness" theory, I understand why you do not acknowledge the Son is the "Word". I will gladly agree to disagree with you about your understanding.

you said,

"I never mentioned “Israel’s family” and is it not possible that Yahweh’s family is called Israel?"

Again, I find no scripture that states "ISRAEL" is the Family name of YAHWEH. ISRAEL is nothing more than a symbolic name for those people who descended from Jacob.

And, once again, you did not address the several verses that I presented which state clearly that YAHWEH is clearly our Father and we are clearly His children, not ISRAEL'S children. His name is not ISRAEL. HIS NAME IS YAH YAHWEH. Why would be called anything differently than YAHWEH?

Actually, we will have a new name in the kingdom. What that entails, I am not certain about.

If you are looking for more references that prove that YAHSHUA pre-existed before becoming flesh, let me know.

May YAHWEH bless and keep all who seek His Face,

your brother marty

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dave52:
QUOTE]Dick wrote: “I cannot answer all your questions in detail, but I have decided to give you questions that LEAD to answers instead:”

---

Doesn’t sound fair but I’ll try and answer a few.
[/QUOTE]

Shalom Dave,

I had a lot of things posted which went unaddressed by you, but I know how difficult it is believe me. There are a lot of issues that merge in together on this topic and so quick sound byte answers are sometimes the best we can do with limited resources of time and energy etc.

But I have a couple of questions that I am curious as to how you would answer and they are in regard to the verses below (and other passages such as we have examined from Ezekiel, which say essentially the same thing)...

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living El.

A people so large in number that they in fact cannot be numbered...people who were once told they were not YHWH's people, are at this time told they are the sons of the living El.

First question: Has this happened yet in your opinion? If so, where are these innumerable people at?

Hosea 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Next question: Do you see the children of Judah as different people from the children of Israel (prior to them being gathered together after the innumerable people are called the sons of the living El)?

One follow-up question: Do you see a distinction between Judah and Israel and if so, what would be that distinction?

Thanks for your time. I appreciate the dialogue we've been having here.

Shalom,
T4T

quote:

---

JayYah wrote: “Surely, this is true, yet it is not true that all who believe in Yahshua will be saved, for their is a belief that is not unto salvation.”

---

Would you say these are the seed that fell “by the way side” and “on the rocks” and “among thorns”?

quote:

---

JayYah wrote: “This covenant you have handily understood doesn't speak to the literal Israelites [saving the those who are also of Spiritual Israel]. Why is it that you cannot also see the same for Ezekiel? This Conditional prophecy which was presented through Ezekiel, spoke of that which would truly happen to literal Israel, if she had lived according to the condition! This didn't happen, and therefore it too applies to the spiritual Israel of Elohim. What's so difficult about that?"

---

By “literal Israelites” I assume you mean bloodline descendants. So, Ezekiel’s “Conditional prophecy” didn’t happen because they didn’t keep what conditions in Ezekiel?

You wrote, “Therefore it too applies to the spiritual Israel of Elohim,” meaning if the spiritual Israel doesn’t keep conditions they as well will not receive the resurrection? If that is the case then I also think all those that currently believe will not necessarily enter into eternal life unless they “Endure unto the end.”

quote:

---

JayYah wrote: “This, of course would be a hurtful thing, for me that I lead astray, for the brother/sister who is following after what I say, and as well, for you, for you aren't living up to your duty to put the truth across to those who are being led astray by my words.”

---

I understand, however I attempt to use my resources of time as productively as possible reading and answering where it is in my best interest to learn from others as well as perhaps passing on a little of what has been shown to me.

quote:

---

JayYah wrote: “But I always want to be accountable to the brethren & sisters here, for if that is not valid, then acually anyone could come, and with stories, steal the hearts of the people, like Absalom did!”

---

--------------------------------------------

JayYah, I don't agree with that statement, the way you wrote it.

Yahshua was and is (The Word of YAHWEH) (Rev 19:13 & John 1:14)

The word [believeth/believes/believe] as shown in John 3:16
is strongs# 4100 pisteuo

The word "believes" when in referance to Yahshua, means:

#1 "One who is committed unto Yahshua".
Otherwise "One who is committed unto The Word of Yahweh".

#2 "Commit to (one's personal) trust in Yahshua "The Word of Yahweh"

Therefor John 3:16 is correct. If one trusts [The Word of Yahweh] and is personally committed to [The Word] then they will not perish have everlasting life. The Kingdom [The Word = The Father] is within you. (Luke 17:20-21)

Also remember that the Word that Yahshua spoke was the Father in him (John 14:10)

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

Hi T4T, I hope you do not mind me putting in my 2 cents worth here.

Let's look at this verse for a moment a makes some observations,

"KJV Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; "

1. Immediately prior to this verse in this chapter, the 144,000 humans have just been sealed at the opening of the Sixth Seal.

2. I believe this great multitude to be part of the Firstfruits

3. Notice this comment, "of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,". Interesting that the verse did not state "Spiritual Israel" or even make any notation to "Israel" whatsoever.

Okay, let's examine the following verses in the same chapter,

"KJV Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of YAHWEH, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and YAHWEH shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Now, how can this multitude be serving YAHWEH at His throne before the 7th Trump which we have always identified being the catalyst by which the First Resurrection occurs,

"KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For YAHSHUA himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of YAHWEH: and the dead in YAHSHUA shall rise first"

However, if we go back a chapter to chapter 6, we find the following verses,

"KJV Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw UNDER THE ALTAR the souls of them that were slain for the word of YAHWEH, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O MASTER, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. "

This action occurs in the 5th Seal time period. Okay, is it possible that these Firstfruits in Heaven, and "UNDER THE ALTAR" are in some spiritual state allowing them to serve the Father at that time?

Remember, "and the dead in YAHSHUA shall rise first:" could simply meant that those under the altar who have just been given white robes, have now been allowed to "arise" from their place of haven with the Father and Son, and join YAHSHUA returning to the earth.

(I, as well as many others, have always taken this verse literally, without allowing for this interpretation. Obviously, that was what we were indoctrinated in.)

It is at the point of returning that the rest of the Firstfruits meet YAHSHUA and their brethren, this multitude with Him that was just described, in the air.

"KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (great multitude given white robes) in the clouds, to meet YAHSHUA in the air: and so shall we ever be with YAHSHUA."

It is for these above reasons that I know without doubt, that the 144,000 are not all of the Firstfruits nor could they be by definition and context of the immediate preceding verses in 1 Thes. and Rev..

After the return of YAHSHUA and the Firstfruits, the millinneum begins.

What do you think?

May YHWH bless and keep all who seek His Face,

your brother marty

quote:

---

torah4today wrote: “Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living El.

A people so large in number that they in fact cannot be numbered...people who were once told they were not YHWH's people, are at this time told they are the sons of the living El.”

---

Paul quotes Hosea indicating the Gentiles, who were not Yahweh’s people, are now called “the children of the living God” after being grafted into Israel.

Ro 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Hosea, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Messiah, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

quote:

---

torah4today wrote: “First question: Has this happened yet in your opinion? If so, where are these innumerable people at?”

---

It has been happening since Cornelius was converted and the innumerable people are the saints since that time. The phrases, “as the sand of the seashore” or “as the dust of the earth” or “as the stars of heaven” all just indicate a large number. Even in our day a crowd of more then 100,000 people is impossible to accurately number. Israel had already reached a number that was considered as large as the sand on the seashore as far back as Joshua.

De 1:10 Yahweh your God hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude.
De 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude.
Jos 11:4 And they went out, they and all their hosts with them, much people, even as the sand that is upon the sea shore in multitude, with horses and chariots very many.
1Ki 4:20 Judah and Israel were many, as the sand which is by the sea in multitude, eating and drinking, and making merry.

quote:

---

torah4today wrote: “Next question: Do you see the children of Judah as different people from the children of Israel (prior to them being gathered together after the innumerable people are called the sons of the living El)?”

---

I see “the children of Judah” as the House of Judah or the Jews. And I see the “children of Israel” as the children of the north kingdom or ten tribes. However, Israel can at times mean either all the tribes together including Jews or can sometimes only refer to the ten tribes.

quote:

---

torah4today wrote: “One follow-up question: Do you see a distinction between Judah and Israel and if so, what would be that distinction?”

---

Israel (ten tribes) has been meshed into the Gentiles kingdoms and forgotten her heritage whereas Judah was dispersed amount the Gentiles but not integrated.

quote:

---

brmarty wrote: “Furthermore, YAHSHUA did reveal that HE WAS HIS SON before the foundation of the world,

"KJV John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."

What was that? YAHWEH THE FATHER LOVED WHO BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD? YAHSHUA HIS SON, NOT HIMSELF.”

---

In order for Yahweh to love His Son before the foundation of the world would Yahshua have had to pre-exist? Just as the kingdom was prepared for us before the foundation of the world (Mt 25:34), the blood of all the prophets was shed before the foundation of the world (Lu 11:50), we were chosen before the foundation of the world (Ep 1:4), grace was given to us before the foundation of the world (2Ti 1:9), the Lamb was ordained before the foundation of the world (1Pe 1:20), and was slain before the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8). The prophets didn’t pre-exist, yet their blood was shed before the foundation of the world, we didn’t pre-exist still grace was given to us before the foundation of the world. Yahweh said, “I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world” (Mt 13:35). His pre-ordained plan was put together long before the world was created and since no power is greater then Him nothing can prevent His plans from being accomplished. “God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were” (Ro 4:17). Yes indeed, Yahweh loved, ordained and allowed His Son to be slain before the foundation of the earth.

Peter tells us Yahshua “was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times” (1Pe 1:20). The Messiah was foreordained, proginosko- known before hand, BUT was not manifested until “The fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman” (Ga 4:4).

quote:

---

brmarty wrote: “I believe you are the entity that is misunderstanding what "Word" means. However, because I am familiar with your "oneness" theory, I understand why you do not acknowledge the Son is the "Word".”

---

You can’t be too familiar with my theory since I am not of the “Oneness” doctrine. Besides, “Oneness” don’t believe “the word” in John chapter one refers to the Son. They believe “the word” is God’s preordained plan and that the Son did not pre-exist.

I had written: You are understanding that passage by misunderstanding the definition of the “word.” Up until the book of John “word” meant voice or commands and Yahweh’s word meant His voice and commands.

You are in error. I see is that you are using the KJV, and that might be the reason for your errors. I can not tell you what you should read, but you should compare and test the scriptures, the KJV has many many errors and improper translations..

You wrote:God sent forth his Son, made of a woman” (Ga 4:4).

My Reply:
That is not correct!

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/
http://www.paleotimes.org/bible/nt/B48C004.htm

Galatians 4:4 But when the completion of the time came, Elohim sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under Torah.

Yahweh sent forth his son, and from the heavens. Yahshua was the first born of all creation, and the Last Adam.

Yahshua came in his Fathers name and was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Yahshua is the only begotten son of Yahweh.

Shalom in Yahweh

Hi Dave,

I have already provided plenty of scriptural references that support that YAHSHUA pre-existed before becoming flesh and blood. You, however, choose not to view those verses as I do.

Do you expect me to continue to repost the same verses in vain, simply because you do not view them as I do or have developed the same understandings as I?

For example, the following verses are very clear to me and explain to me what and Who the "Word" was,

"KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YAHWEH(the Father), and the Word was YAHWEH (his family name). 2 The same was in the beginning with YAHWEH(the Father). 3 All things were made by him (YAHSHUA); and without him(YAHSHUA) was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him(YAHSHUA) was life; and the life was the light of men."

In my view, these verses give me the understanding that YAHSHUA was a YAHWEH and was with the Father from the beginning of creation.

You, however, view it differently. I was unaware that there were other names for the theory that YAHSHUA did not pre-exist with YAHWEH until his fleshly birth other than the "oneness theory". What would you call your particular view as it is clear by your own words that you feel YAHSHUA did not exist until being born of His Fleshly mother?

The point is, you obviously are unchanged by the my view and I unchanged by your view. Sobeit. That's fine with me. ONLY YAHWEH knows our hearts and thoughts. He, alone, knows how and why we believe what we believe and if we are living our faiths. That job is not for us, praise YAHWEH!!!:0)

Now then, if we can focus on the "NEW TESTAMENT or COVENANT" questions, were you aware of the Greek Text problems whenever this "new testament" occurs in the Majority Text and the problems with the Majority Text?

May YHWH bless and keep all who see His Face,

your brother marty

I did a simular artical too. Here you will find many verses that confirms it.

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/000292.html

The problem is that some people just can't change no matter what the scriptures say.

Dave, I hope you will read what the scriptures say, and not what mankind teaches based on his own understandings. I will be happy to share and study The Word with you on this subject. If you have any questions or verses to share with me, I will be here.

Shalom in Yahweh.

We have had numerous threads on the topics of pre-existence, oneness, dualism, etc. and I will be happy to bunt one of them back to the top of the forum to continue in.

I hope we can keep this thread to the more narrow subject at hand, the New Covenant.

Don't get me wrong, I think the topic of who Y'shua is relative to us and relative to our Father is as important as the New Covenant, and there are some interelated things between the two topics.

One of which involves a question that I will ask each of you now: Does a person's belief of who Y'shua is, relative to the Father (i.e., oneness, pre-existent or not, Y'shua is or is not YHWH or one of two YHWHs or that Y'shua was an annointed Prophet and adopted Son of YHWH, etc.) or how that person spells and pronounces His name, have any effect on whether or not that person is a part of the New Covenant?

Another way to phrase it is this: If one has as their belief system, a belief that Y'shua is other than what He truly is, will that person not be considered as having entered into the New Covenant?

I have an answer as to what I believe, but let me hear your thoughts first.

Thanks. Shalom!

T4T

Hi T4T,

Firstly, if one believes that the "new covenant" is not in effect now and for a future physical nation of peoples, then my answer is of course it has a huge impact. Would'nt you agree?

I do agree with you T4T that I, for one, would like to keep this thread concentrating on the specific topic of which you began it on, the "new covenant" and what it is and means.

Thanks Yahwehwitness for your added support of the problems with the Greek Text. The vast amount of corrupt translation in our Bibles today, is probably the greatest, deceptionary tool for those who are truly trying to understand YAHWEH's word. We must dig deeper and realize the agenda of the Advesary has never changed. :0)

May YHWH bless and keep all who seek His Face,

your brother marty