Hi Dick and T4t,

T4T,

you said,

"I still think Y'shua's blood will always be the blood of the New Covenant so anyone in the future who desires to enter into that covenant in my opinion will do so by His blood. "

It is my view that YAHSHUA has mediated not only the Firstfruit Covenant of Promise or Faith, but also the "New Covenant" for a future resurrected nation of Israel talked about abundantly throughout the Prophets.

Hi Dick, (if you do not mind my 2 cents worth:0)

you said,

"How do you reconcile your stand on physical Jisrael with the Book of Revelations, where it is said that only 144,000 Jisraelites shall be saved, and that the saved multitude shall be non-Jisraelis (gentiles)? "

It is my view that these are human beings on the earth during the time of the Great Tribulation and before the Last Trump blows when the entire Firstfruit Group are changed into their Spiritual, Eternal bodies and the Covenant of Faith or Promise is completed and fulfilled.

That said, there is still the future physical resurrected "whole house of Israel" left to be accomplished. That physical family will also be saved but not as a Firstfruit or Spiritual, Eternal being.

Like T4T said, I believe there is alot left concerning the End Time's prophecies that we may never fully comprehend until we are changed, hopefully :0), into Eternal family members of YAHWEH.

May YAHWEH bless and keep all who see His Face,

You asked:
Just curious why you use the J instead of the Y in the letters of the Fathers Name?

I use the letter J in Scriptures (i.e. Jisrael, JHVH) to signify my affiliation to the Ehpraimite-Christian heritage, of which I am very proud of. At this point in salvation history, nobody is certain what the true dialect of ancient Jisrael is, whether it be Ashkenazi, Sephardic, or even Arabic. I am inclined to believe that Sephardic Hebrew (with their "Jod" sound) represents the genuine Levitical line--the true language/dialect of the Torah. When the great Ephraimite-Christian William Tyndale translated the Hebrew scriptures into English, he was taught by the Sephardic Hebrews of his time, not the Ashkenazi of today (with their "Yod" sound) . This explains why in our English Bibles, the letter J is widely used in the names of people and places.

The word "Jisrael" with the letter J signifies many things to me. For one, it represents a UNIFIED assembly of JHVH, composed of the House of Judah and the House of Ephraim. "Israel" without the J represents what the Kingdom of Judah is today--The State of Israel. In other words, it is my way of differentiating the unified Kingdom of Jisrael led by Jehoshua Messiah from today's State of Israel led by Ariel Sharon.

You said:
I guess you are aware that the letter J did not come into any language until the 17th century? Look it up in a dictionary it is there for all to read.

Yes I do. However, the English J symbol is irrelevant because the English language itself developed through many centuries. The same applies to the symbols "y", "a", etc,--all invented in the middle ages. What is important is the sound of J. In Sephardic Hebrew, there is a J sound. Symbols change, sounds do not.

Thank you for respecting my beliefs on this matter, just as I respect yours.

"Strange as it may seem, the New Covenant is not yet fully implemented. We know this from the fact that believers - young and old - still need instruction. But when the New Covenant is fully operational then "they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest." "

Within Christendom there are two camps:
a) teaches that we have "The Living Word" (which immediately also implies that it is one and the same Law/Torah we find between the two covers).
b) teaches that the "Tanakh-Law has been done away with and believers now only obey a so called 'Law of Christ'"

When I moved over into the Torah-Observant Community/Movement almost 5 years ago now, I kept what I learned on "The Living Word."

On the following website http://www.servantsnews.com a Torah-Observant Community is put forward.

Coming back to my subject; on this website there is a 3-page article stating the following (remember this is what I have always learned in the 10+ years I was in "The Living Word - camp" in Christendom):

"Many people seem to have a problem with seeing and accepting the Living Word on this point. It is the promised privilege of all Christians, we are told, to be "taught of God" (Jn 6:45, citing Isa 54:13) and it is the Spirit of God who teaches them. Then why is it so difficult for us to accept what He says to us in I John 2:27: "...you have no need for anyone to teach you, but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and not a lie..."

A key here is to accept and apply the statements, "Ask and you shall receive" (Mt 7:7-11, 21:22; Mk 11:24; Js 1:5). We can certainly ask for the anointing of the spirit to teach us."

At: http://www.servantsnews.com/sn9703/s703013.htm

I wonder if this sheds any more light on what the New Covenant is.

Eugenie (Jen)

Or is it impossible for for the Messiah that had everything to do with the begining of the reNewed covenant name to be Jesus or JeHushua,or Jehoshua?

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Originally posted by Bondservant:
Shalom, So does anybody out there think that the Messiah that walked and talked on the earth was called by a first name that started with a J that came to start the begining of the reNewed covenant?

Or is it impossible for for the Messiah that had everything to do with the begining of the reNewed covenant name to be Jesus or JeHushua,or Jehoshua?

Respectfully I ask these questions.

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Shalom Bondservant,

I have read studies about the "J" sound (but not the actual letter "J") being around longer than 500 years but I honestly don't know if it is true. I think it very well could be true as far as English goes but I don't know how far back.

Words in old english bibles like "judge" were spelled "iudge", but maybe not nesessarily pronounced "yudge" because they did have the letter "Y" back then for words like "yes", so why wouldn't they just spell it "yudge" if it had the "y" sound?

Possibly the sound may have not been a hard j but maybe a soft j like the french pronounce, like "zhudge" or something, assuming this idea has some validity.

As to whether or not there was such a sound in any of the hebrew dialects in times of old, I have absolutely no knowledge. Between The Physicist, Shimson Shimson bar-Tzadoq, and maybe a couple others here on the forum who are knowledgable in hebrew, maybe some light can be shed on it.

I have been under the belief for sometime that nobody truly knows how the ancient hebrew back in say David's time and beyond was pronounced. But I have been wrong before and could be now.

If we can come to the understanding that the Firstfruits's contract or "covenant" is fulfilled instantly upon the return of YAHSHUA, let us now ask eachother when does YAHSHUA return?

In my view, YAHSHUA returns prior to the millinneum beginning. The seven vials are poured out upon the world after the blowing of the 7th Trump in the 7th Seal. Then, after the vials, in my view, we see the beginning of the millinneum.

"KJV Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of YAHWEH, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with YAHSHUA a thousand years."

In my view, the Firstfruits, who have since been changed into Spirit Beings, will be the ELOHIYM of the Physical Nation of Israel and of the human race at that time. We must rememeber, there are other human beings who lived through the tribulation who have not accepted YAHWEH.

In my view, YAHWEH will use this physical nation of Israel as an example to the rest of the world. And, those remaining of the other nations will have an opportunity to accept YAHWEH.

"KJV Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, YAHWEH of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, YAHWEH of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith YAHWEH will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles"

Notice, there is no talk of any of the physical family of Israel not keeping the Feasts, only the heathen of the rest of the countries.

This has to occur before the new heavens and new earth because we still see sin existing and punishment for those sins. In my view, sin and all it entails is destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the thousand years and at the time of the second death and white throne judgement.

Is it possible that YAHWEH is offering an opportunity for those last few nations remaining, to become still yet a part of the family of Israel? Or is this simply the punishment phase of those countries?

May YAHWEH bless and keep all who seek His Face,

your brother marty

This may be why in Modern Hebrew the Gimel with an appostraphy (spelling) behind is used to desinate a "J" sound. So because Hebrew doesn't have a "J" using a Gimel is the closest one would have to the sound. A similar practice is employed with Tzadee and an approstriphy (spelling) for words with a "ch" sound. As far as Yod and Iota sounding like a "J" that is more of a recent thing, that is not that old of a practice. Scholars pretty much agree that the Yod/Yudh/Yoot was used for both a 'Y' and a an "ee" sound.

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Eloah immakhem,

Shimson bar-Tzadoq

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Originally posted by Eugenie:
Lightofmashiach has a 6+ (pages) on the subject New Covenant. Does anyone here agree with it? And why?

http://www.lightofmashiach.org/newcovenant.html

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Shalom Eugenie,

Thanks for that website. I'm still on the first page, but I can agree with what I've read up to now in the essence of it. There are side issues I take issue with, but so far on the actual subject matter, it looks like I'm on the same wavelength.

I'll read the rest of it over the weekend and get back with you. So far, very interesting and I think more people are starting to wake up to this.

YHWH bless you with much shalom this Shabbat!

Somewhere between summer 1998 and now I also found the following webarticle (12 to 13 pages long) on the subject "New Covenant". Anybody knows about the translation language mistakes he (Jan Kapteyn) is talking about?

That is dangerous Theology right there. What use is there to be good and patient now? If the New Covenant is still not in effect, even for the elect first-fruits, then what do we hope for? There will be no reward without a covenant. If we are not under the New Covenant instituted by the blood of the Son of Man, we will not receive eternal life when Jehovah Jeshua HaMashiach (Lord Jesus Christ) returns as King.