|
Forums at EliYah's Home Page
![]() Scripture Discussion Forum
![]() What is the "New Covenant"? (Page 11)
|
This topic is 13 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 |
next newest topic | next oldest topic |
| Author | Topic: What is the "New Covenant"? |
|
Eugenie Posts: 271 |
Sometime in the past (almost) 5 years I came across this (a teachting by SBS777):
We hear a lot these days about the 'new covenant;' about how the Most High, supposedly, found fault with His laws and instructed His Son to nail them to the cross! Have you ever wondered what the 'new covenant' is; and what its requirements are? Why is it called the new covenant? Who are the parties concerned? What's new about it? Let us now find out. To begin with I will read the passages which tell of the 'new covenant' Jer.31: 31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
I Repeat: Taken from: http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/snotes/note1105.html#newcovenant |
|
brmarty Posts: 112 |
Shalom to All, Hi Eugene, I was wondering whether or not you support this view you have presented. In my view, it cannot fit for the firstfruits. Have you been keeping up with this thread by chance? May YHWH bless and keep all who seek His Face, your brother marty |
|
Eugenie Posts: 271 |
Brmarty wrote: -------------------------------------------- I was wondering whether or not you support this view you have presented. # Brmarty: I am considering supporting it. Added on 04 March: I should have stated that I am pondering whether I am to support it yes or no.
# Brmarty: I know.
# Brmarty: Yes, I have. QUESTION TO YOU BRMARTY: Do you know Yashanet.com? Shalom, EugenIe [This message has been edited by Eugenie (edited 03-04-2003).] |
|
brmarty Posts: 112 |
Shalom to All, Hi Eugenie, No. I am not familiar with that website. I am a freelancer.:0) I am affiliated with no group or organization. I think of myself and family as "followers of YAHSHUA". "KJV John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" I have fellowshipped with many groups over my lifetime. I find that it is very difficult to find brethren who do not want to be "told what to do" or "preached to". Many are quite comfortable in their "churches" and "organizations". I only hope that YAHWEH will lead them to the "freedom in YAHSHUA" that He has led me and my family too. This walk is all about a one-on-one relationship with the Father through His Son. Only His will do we strive to perform, not that of any "pastor","minister" or "overseer". In my view, there are no "positions" or "offices" of rulership over the body of YAHSHUA, except that of the Father through His Son. We are all "servants" of our Father and followers of the "perfect" example of YAHSHUA our Master, Saviour and Elder Brother. The best we can do in this life is pray that the Father's will be done in our Lives, and serve as examples for our Brethren through unfeigned love and faith. "KJV 1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: KJV 1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:" I have no other agenda. I pray that YAHWEH helps me overcome the carnal spirit in me that I war with daily. I know that my understandings can be fallable and that there is still much for me to learn about YAHWEH. I know that I am nothing without YAHWEH'S SPIRIT in me, and that even then I must struggle daily to overcome sin in many forms. This life is not easy, as some preach. But, in my view, there is no other way to eternal life except by this walk. I also know that I have done nothing to deserve this opportunity, but only by the grace of YAHWEH have I been called. I love to study and I want to spend as much time as I can encouraging other brethren to study and search the scriptures for themselves. Trust in YAHWEH for understanding and know that men are fallable. Our understandings and faith should be a work in progress which we must admit to ourselves and fully acknowledge will never be perfect. How do you view the "new covenant" yourself, Eugenie? May YAHWEH bless and keep all who seek his Face, your brother marty |
|
Daron Posts: 2 |
Shalom [This message has been edited by Daron (edited 03-02-2003).] |
|
Eugenie Posts: 271 |
Brother Marty, Thank you for your lengthy reply which explains a lot. Marty I haven't made up my mind yet which explanation on the NC to choose.... it will come in due time. Brother Daron, Both Gentile believers and Jewish believers here are posting here. May YAHVEH bless and keep all who seek Him, Eugenie. |
|
Daron Posts: 2 |
Shalom [This message has been edited by Daron (edited 03-02-2003).] |
|
torah4today Posts: 1113 |
quote: Shalom Daron, Some of the laws in the "Old Testatment" (also known as the Tanak which is an acronym for the hebrew words for Torah, Prophets, and Writings) are binding on everyone, Jew or Gentile whether or not they have entered into any covenant. They are the moral laws. Everyone knows they are not to kill or steal or commit adultery or lie with beast, etc. Then there are laws which pertain to the temple sacrifices. They cannot be accomplished obviously without a temple so neither "Jew" nor "Gentile" can keep them. Notwithstanding the possibility that one way of looking at the future might indicate a third temple is not going to be rebuilt and utilized during the millenium, I think it will be built and the sacrificial services will be resumed. The Levites will be a tribe of restored Israel and I figure they will still have their duties to perform seeing as how they have no land inheritance. The clean food laws are for everyone I believe. YHWH's laws are beneficial for mankind to keep. He gives us "instructions" and "teachings" (which is the real meaning of Torah) for us to live long healthy lives. He gives us Sabbath because we must rest. Why would we even want to turn down a blessing from YHWH? The Sabbath was made for man. By the way, I don't think the Jew/Gentile thing is so black and white. There are members of all of the tribes of Israel including Judah, scattered throughout the world in every tongue and people on earth today. You may think you are a gentile and you would be correct since really the word means "nation" and even the House of Israel and the House of Judah are nations or are scattered in the nations. In the future, one who is not of one of the tribes of Israel can still accept the New Covenant and be grafted into the commonwealth of Israel. They would be bound to the Torah, but the Torah would be melded into their hearts and minds and would be a real joy to keep. Y'shua died for everyone's sins. However that is only part of the equation. Repentance is a major part. James' letter says if we say we abide in Messiah that we should walk as He walked. Of course we all know that He walked in the Torah perfectly so I see nothing wrong with trying to emulate that. Even Paul sacrificed at the alter after he was converted and I doubt he thinks he fell from grace for doing that. Sorry for the long answer but I don't think it is so cut and dried as most people would like. As usual I say here now that I could be wrong on this but it is my current viewpoint. We have much yet to be shown to us. Feel free to state what you have been shown so far and we'll discuss further. Shalom in YHWH, |
|
torah4today Posts: 1113 |
quote: LOL That has been my experience! |
|
Eugenie Posts: 271 |
Question 1
Answer: Paul was often accused of breaking Yahweh's commandments. Even to this day many Christians believe that Paul taught the abolition of God's law. Nothing is further from the truth. Paul and the early Apostles were all Israelites who kept Yahweh's law and taught others to obey it. In the incident recorded in Acts 21 the elders in Jerusalem were anxious to dispel any rumours that Paul was a law-breaker. To be sure he had often tried to explain the real purpose of Yahweh's law, 'things hard to understand' as the Apostle Peter called them in 2 Peter 3:14-16, but Paul never taught disobedience. He taught: Therefore in order to dispel any doubts the Jews may have held concerning his obedience, Paul joined four others in a Nazarite dedication service. This service is fully described in Numbers chapter 6. Taking a vow of dedication (separation) Whilst considering these facts also remember that That is all we should read from this incident: That the Apostle Paul joined others in a dedication service to dispel any doubts that he was a law-breaker. In view of these facts, let no misguided Gentile offer unauthorised animal sacrifices elsewhere on earth. Without a Temple and without a Priesthood even the Jews do not presume to offer sacrifices: how much less should Gentiles who believe in the Saviour as the Lamb of God. Taken from: http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/vital/sacrific.html#q1 |
|
torah4today Posts: 1113 |
People need to realize that not all sacrifices were for the atonement of sin. Also consider that Abraham made sacrifices under the Melchisidek priesthood without benefit of a temple nor the Levitical priesthood. |
|
Eugenie Posts: 271 |
Well said Torah4today! Blessings, Eugenie. |
|
Dick Posts: 247 |
Peace to you Brethren T4T, You said: Also consider that Abraham made sacrifices under the Melchisidek priesthood without benefit of a temple nor the Levitical priesthood. I also do believe that, with the Temple of JHVH in place, animal sacrifices shall commence anew in the Millennial reign of the Messiah. The book of Ezekiel describes the activities in detail. Many will question this belief, and argue that the sacrifice of the Messiah on the cross/stake is effective for all eternity. I am deeply contemplating on the idea that the Messiah's sacrifice may only be applied to the first-fruits. Resurrected physical beings in the millennium shall be required to offer animal sacrifices to atone for their "future" sins. Can you comment on this? I also would like to know the reasons why you view the Book of Revelations as divinely-inspired (I don't), considering the fact that you believe that all who accept the Messiah become part of Jisrael. How do you reconcile your stand on physical Jisrael with the Book of Revelations, where it is said that only 144,000 Jisraelites shall be saved, and that the saved multitude shall be non-Jisraelis (gentiles)? This would certainly require a different thread, but I believe that this is relevant to the topic at hand--the New Covenant. All glory belongs to JHVH. [This message has been edited by Dick (edited 03-03-2003).] |
|
Bondservant Posts: 105 |
Just curious why you use the J instead of the Y in the letters of the Fathers Name? I guess you are aware that the letter J did not come into any language until the 17th century? Look it up in a dictionary it is there for all to read. If you want to continue using the J that is fine with me. |
|
torah4today Posts: 1113 |
quote: Shalom Dick, I still think Y'shua's blood will always be the blood of the New Covenant so anyone in the future who desires to enter into that covenant in my opinion will do so by His blood. Maybe people of the nations outside of Israel who do not enter into the New Covenant will do atonement sacrifices. I really am at a loss to do anything more than speculate on that however. As to Revelation, I understand where you are coming from. It's a very misunderstood book to say the least and it's no wonder. There are a lot of things in Revelation that seem to not line up with the prophets of the Tanak but at this time I attribute that to my lack of understanding, to the possibility that some of it involves things to happen well toward the end of the so called millenium rule, and to the possibility that it is in large part a sealed prophecy which may not be understood until it is fulfilled. As to Israel, I think the mention of the multitudes from all nations is Israel since Israelites were dispersed into all nations. The nations are actually receiving a blessing from this punishment of the Israelites by sharing in their bloodline heritage and by other blessings as well. I don't pretend to know all there is with regard to this subject, only studying it as you and others are, and doing some speculation in lieu of making absolute pronouncements. Somehow though, Israel is pulled back out of the nations and brings many from these nations with her. YHWH will have to sort out the tribes. I think the 144,000 will be heads of the tribes that those coming out of the nations will be assimilated into. Again, buyer beware, this is my speculation. YHWH bless, |
This topic is 13 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 All times are ET (US) | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
![]() |
|
Please read the disclaimer. If you see any violations of forum guidelines, please contact the moderator.
Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47e