YAHSHUA WAS CREATED by his FATHER YAHWEH

This is powerful so buckle your seat belts, or get your ejection seat ready.

This will prove that Yahshua was and is the son of Yahweh, and that Yahshua was created by Yahweh.

It should also confirm that the Father is "The word".

There are many opinions and much without scripture to back them up. Don't lean unto your own understandings or the babble of others.

Read below what inspired scripture says and confirms, as everyone will be judged by it ( John 12:48 & Romans 2:12). So fear Yahweh and give glory to him;(Rev 14:7), and pray always.(Luke 21:36) We are to worship the Father in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-24), and Prove all things; and hold fast that which is good (1 Thess 5: 21). Also very important, "Test the spirits & know the Spirit of Elohim" (1 John 4:1-8). We need to follow the love of the truth (2Thess 2:10-12), so that we may come to the Father through his only begotten son Yahshua. (John 14:6) I believe the Holy spirit or "Holy Ghost" is Yahweh.(Mat 12:31-32). Yahweh and his spirit are one in the same. Example: You have a physical body and spiritual body, but you are not two different people. Elohim is spirit.(John 4:24)"Invisible G-d".

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth (Gen 1:1 & within verse 2), And the Spirit of Elohim was moving on the face of the waters,, (Otherwise the spirit of Elohim came to earth after it was made). And Elohim said "Let Us" make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, (Genesis 1:26). Then you see in (Genesis 3:22) "And src="http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/yahweh.gif"> Elohim said, "See,the man has become like one of Us"... Who is He talking to who when saying "US" in the above scriptures?, and how come in Gen 1:1 & 1:2 & 1:26 it only says Elohim?, but in Gen 3:22 it shows Elohim talking, To who? Could it be Yahshua? I'm going to prove by scripture that it was Yahshua and that the Father & Son work together as one. Furthermore I will prove by scripture that Yahshua is a G-d "the mighty one",
but he was not the Almighty G-d "El Shadday" the Father .

First understand the word Elohim in Strongs #0430 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods

Yahshua is the only begotten son of src="http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/yahweh.gif">, and Yahshua was created by . (See scriptures below)

Here are some facts. src="http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/yahweh.gif"> never had a beginning, and He will never have and end. Otherwise He always was and He always will be. It's even shown in his name: YHWH = "He will be Who He will be". Note: It is Sacred for any person to say "I AM That I AM" or I WILL BE./ Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh ='I Will Be Who I Will Be' and AHYH ASR AHYH= 'I Will Be Who I Will Be'. The point is YHWH = HE always was and He and always will be, because he also said "This is my name forever " in.(Ex 3:13-15)

Now let's look at Yahshua "The beginning and the end & The First and the last".

What was the first thing that YHWH created at the beginning? > It was the WORD (John 1:1). Yahshua name is called "the word "OF" Elohim" (Rev 19:13). Yahshua is: "The likeness of the invisible Elohim, "THE FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATION" (Colossians 1:15 & Hebrews 1: 4-6) Yahshua is the beginning and the end. He is "First born" and the "Last Adam" (Rev 22:13 & 1 Corinthians 15:44-47)

Here is more proof: After the heavens and the earth was made, and before Elohim said "Let Us" make mankind, who made all the other things like: Fish, grass, fruits, animals, etc. etc.? SEE (EPHESIANS 3:9-12 & COLOSSIANS 1: 13-19)

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YAHSHUA IN THE FLESH

Then the word was made flesh (John 1:14) & (John 8:42) Otherwise: It was planned by YHWH to also create Yahshua the man "the last Adam" and of his only begotten son from heaven. And Yahshua was conceived of the Holy spirit "Set Apart Spirit".(Matthew 1:20-23) Also confirmed in (1 Corinthians 15:45-50) that the Last Adam "Yahshua" spirit was from heaven and the Master from heaven.

Then latter in life, Yahshua
was baptized by John. As Yahshua came up the water he saw a Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, You are My Son, the Beloved, in whom I did delight..(Mark 1: 8-13) That was YHWH who called Yahshua his son!. Immediately thereafter Yahshua was tested and tempted by Satan. And he passed all the tests and trails without sinning. (That's why he is the last Adam, because no other man will be without sin.)

Yahshua is a part of his Father, and was created as the beginning, and of the Fathers name. (Yahshua= Yahweh is Salvation), Otherwise: YHWH is the WORD, and Yahshua is the Word of YHWH). Yahshua came in his Fathers name (John 10:25), and it was the Father in Yahshua that he spoke of (John14:10 & John 12: 48-50 & John 8: 26-28) , and the Father in him that did the works (John 10:38).

You see the Kingdom doesn't come with observation, it's within you Luke 17: 20-21 (It's the WORD, and the Father) And the word shall never perish, The word "the Father" Everlasting life (John 12:49-50 & 1 John 2:24). Yahshua is the entrance of the kingdom (2 Peter 1:11) and Yahshua brings us to the Father by his word that he commanded his son to give us. If we are born again and obey the word then we have the Father in us. (1 John 4: 13-15 & Matthew 10:20 & 2 John 1:9)

The Father and the son have worked together from his sons beginning.

It was the Father in Yahshua that did the works.

According to the scriptures above, and in my heart (I believe that Yahshua is a part "OF" Yahweh as his son, and that Yahweh created Yahshua in heaven first.) I believe that Yahweh worked through Yahshua.

Do you not know that you are a Dwelling Place of Elohim and that the Spirit of Elohim dwells in you? 1 CORINTHIANS 3:16

1 CORINTHIANS 15: 27-28

Note: People did call Yahshua a G-d because of the mighty things they saw him
do and say, however it was the Almighty G-d Father YHWH in him that was doing those things.

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

If there are two Ruwachs (two different beings) how come there is no active conversation between the Father and Son?

Have there been active conversations between Yahuah and His people?

Shalom
Daron

I did a study on this topic, a while back. I have come to the same conclusion. My topic was on light, how I believe that the first light in Genesis is YHWH'S Son. I do believe that he is YHWH too. And I dont believe he was created, just given a position, or responsability.
I believe that in the beginning there was YHWH the Father and YHWH the Son. The share the same name as we know he came in the Fathers name. Sounds confusing to some but this is how I see it. I do have scripture if you need it.
May Yahweh bless us with understanding,
Johnnie

You asked How come there is no active conversation between the Father and Son?

There are several scriptures showing active
conversation between the Father and Son. In fact I posted a few of them above.

Shalom

Brother Yohanan

The Father also clearly spoke to Yahshua and Yahshua clearly also spoke and prayed to the Father a few times. Even Satan tried to make an offer to Yahshua after he was baptized and after his Father said to Yahshua "You are my son".

Shalom

Yohanan

Scripture clearly shows that Yahshua was
the image of the invisible Elohim, THE FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATION. > That means that Yahshua was the first to have been created.

http://www.paleotimes.org/bible/nt/B51C001.htm#v15

Also

Hebrews 1: 4 having become by so much better than the angels, as he hath inherited a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee, and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son, 6 And when he again bringeth in the firstborn into the world he saith, And let all the angels of Yahweh worship him.

There are many many more scriptures to confirm this. And many that I posted above
Aren't you reading them, or do you not agree with most of them?

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
TRM

You asked How come there is no active conversation between the Father and Son?

There are several scriptures showing active
conversation between the Father and Son. In fact I posted a few of them above.

Shalom

Brother Yohanan

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No, I said, If there are two Ruwachs (two different beings) how come there is no active conversation between the Father and Son?

You left out an important part of the question being, If there are two Ruwachs (two different beings)

If there are two Ruwachs (two different beings) how come there is no active conversation between the Father and Son?

An active conversation as we are having here.

An active conversation as you would with your son.

An active conversation like between Yahuah and His servants. Moshe and the Prophets are a good example to compare too!

An active conversation as a reply to what was said!

But there are no active conversations between the Father and Son from Creation to Revelation.

Does the father speak only to his son during the time he sends him to do work, or speak about his work? And the son can only speak in prayer? What kind of father and son relationship would that be?

Why?

I said Yahshua spoke to the Father a few times as shown in many scriptures. Even right before he died he spoke to the Father twice.

Since the Father was in him, maybe they had active conversations daily. It's spiritual. I can't imagen he would be walking around talking to himself outloud, however there were certain things that Yahshua wanted people to hear and know.

The Heavenly Father YHWH is in heaven, the spirit of the Father YHWH is everywhere. They are both the same.

You have a body an a spirit, and you are not two differant people.!

I don't think the scriptures tell everything that ever happened since the beggining of time, but they tell enough for me to understand.

Inspired scripture is food for our soul, and it all tastes good to me. Once in a while I have a hard time swallowing something, but I keep learning.

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
Dear Daron (TRM)

The Heavenly Father YHWH is in heaven, the spirit of the Father YHWH is everywhere. They are both the same.

You have a body an a spirit, and you are not two differant people.!

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Oh their the same, I am sorry I thought you were saying Yahuah and Yahshuah were two separate beings. Just your choice of a few words is what through me off.

I do agree that the vessel (body of Mashiach) was created at the beginning.

So what you have been saying is the vessel, image of Yahuah was created at the beginning, but the only Ruwach in that Vessel is Yahuah, and not two separate beings (Ruwachs)in that vessel. Is this correct?

This would explain why there are no active conversations between the two, but as you say what was said was for the benifit of the people who heard it.

Shalom
Daron

You did not understand me right, or maybe you just don't want to?.

The spirit of Yahweh was in Yahshua, that doesn't make Yahsua "Yahweh".

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.

1 John 4:12 No man hath beheld Yahweh at any time: if we love one another, Elohim abideth in us, and his love is perfected in us: 13 hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father hath sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Yahshua is the Son of Elohim, Elohim abideth in him, and he in Elohim.

It seems that you are in disagreement with scriptures.

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
Dear Daron,

You did not understand me right, or maybe you just don't want to?.

The spirit of Yahweh was in Yahshua, that doesn't make Yahsua "Yahweh".

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.

1 John 4:12 No man hath beheld Yahweh at any time: if we love one another, Elohim abideth in us, and his love is perfected in us: 13 hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father hath sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Yahshua is the Son of Elohim, Elohim abideth in him, and he in Elohim.

It seems that you are in disagreement with scriptures.

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

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Well you say they are the same then in turn say some thing different. So I am confused in what you are saying!

Please answer this.

Are there two Ruwachs?

Does Yahshuah have a separate Ruwach of His own that makes him a separate being from the Father?

How many Ruwachs were in Yahshuah?

There were two Yahshua's correct?

and what does the message Yahshua deliver to the people?