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Originally posted by JD Tyler:
I have purchased the CD and it does not have cut and paste features as far as I can tell.

Shalom in Yahweh,
Jeff

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Sorry Jeff

I dont have the CD version. When I said you could cut and paste, I meant you could do it from the e-sword version.

Shalom,

Kel

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Originally posted by GaryPap:
I understand many believers do not want to use the word "God" because it is Anglo-Saxon and was used to refer to pagan daities. Such believers usually prefer to use the Hebrew El or Elohim.

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Well in order to understand the titles and names of God one must study the meanings and purpose of these names in the original language... unfortunately during the Roman rule... the understanding of these names were lost in translations and the replacements do not carry over the power that the Herbew Names do. From what I have studied there should be no replacements of the Hebrew Names of God... however since we speak English or any other language today it is difficult for people to know what you are talking about without refering to the titles they are familiar with.

The Hebrew Names of God are merely compartments of the highest and most powerful Name which is the tetragrammation (YHWH)... Each Name refers to God in the different ways He relates to Creation. For example if you are a doctor... you may also be a son, and a father, and husband... etc etc.... so each Name of God is a different channel in which we connect to the Creator... but all of these Names come from His highest Name.

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Originally posted by GaryPap:
But please consider this. In the Bible El/Elohim is also used of pagan deities. In fact, El was the name of the chief Caananite god.

So, what makes "God" a bad word and "El" a good one?

Blessings,
Gary[/B]

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The Word El and Elohim when it is referred to with a capitol letter or all caps... it is refering to the One True God... when its presented as elohim or gods or el etc etc it is refering to pagan deiteis or anything at all really.

"But I can never continually address any christian denomination talking about Yahweh and Yahushua. I would most definately be ostrisized. And those of you reading this post who are stuck in the delima of these religions know I'm right. Can you image me going up in your church and continually referring to the 'Father' as Yahweh? You know your pastor/elders would have a fit."

I am sure this is true in many churches but I have found just as many where this is not true especially sabbathkeeping assemblies. I travel all over the USA and am treated with respect and hospitality where ever I go to sabbath meetings.

I do not replace the name of Yahueh or Yahushua with Lord, God, or Jesus, so I don't understand your allegations that I am breaking the thir commandment. I don't misuse the Name of replace it so what are your allegations based upon
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Oh yea, well try that with the C.O.G s( Such as John A Pinkston, COG seventh day, G.T.A s of Mark Armstrong, E.T.C.) and continually speak of YAH'S and Messiah's true Name when referring to them, see how fast you will not be tolerated and ran off.

I know, because I have here written articles from most of these COGs and their off shoot groups speaking against using their( Father and Messiah's) true given Names, and also many of the " Christian churces of GAWD " too.

Oh yea, as long as you go along with them and hardly ever even mention YAHWEH and Yahushua, however, confront them with the truth of these Names and their being used and see what they tell you David.

What do they say? Well Christ only referred to Him as " Father " is what they will tell you, however, Messiah also called and referred to satan the devil as a " father " too( John 8:44), so how do you KNOW which " father "( whether satan Rev.13:3-4, 8 ) you are praying to and worshipping, IF you do not KNOW,USE,and ACKNOWLEDGE in obedience to HIM as He says to do, of the true FATHER YAH by His own given NAME ?

That's the question I ask them, why don't you ask them too? You will not get a scriptural answer from them either.

Elyahc= Eljah C.

And what do you do with a sword? You battle with it....this is as spritual battle and agreeing with the enemy is futile and will end in your defeat.

It is not our job to seperate the tares, wheat or the chaff but the malak/messengers/angels/celestial beings that will do so in the great harvest at the very end.

You said """""There are many other groups besides the C.O.G.'s that keep the sabbath. I prefer congregations tht worship in Spirit and in Truth, not one very out of balance with the other. Some do not make an issue of the name but readily acknowledge it while not using the name of Yahueh and Yahushua exclusively. They educate instead of trying to eradicate which is what I believe is correct approach because a man or woman convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. If they are still coming they may learn.
It is not our job to seperate the tares, wheat or the chaff but the malak/messengers/angels/celestial beings that will do so in the great harvest at the very end.""""" Unquote.

David, have you even read or payed any attention to any of my posts? For all I write is scriptures as is written, and if people on here are not scripturally educated, it is because they have not even read my posts carefully either.

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002675-2.html

This is not about "" separating the wheat from the tares "" as you say, however, it is about SEPARATING OURSELVES FROM THE PRACTICE OF IDOLATRY BY SYNCRETISIM TO YAHWEH that the whole world practices in these religious Organizations, and this world's religious organizations will never accept hearing the the true Names of YAHWEH AND YAHUSHUA used and praised among them.

Don't try to kid me, and certainly don't kid yourself that they will either.

Elyahc = Eljah C.

You said, """"There are many other groups besides the C.O.G.'s that keep the sabbath. I prefer congregations tht worship in Spirit and in Truth, not one very out of balance with the other.""""

You also said, """"Some do not make an issue of the name but readily acknowledge it while not using the name of Yahueh and Yahushua exclusively.""""Unquote.

Well, I have few questions for you, however, you have not answered any of my questions with scriptures yet either.

There are also many people that " ACKNOWLEDGE " the law concerning a road "" STOP SIGN "" to STOP too, however, they do not rightfully use or obey that law to " STOP " at that stop sign to look both directions either, but rather merely run on through the " stop sign ".

Well, are they still not breaking that law to " STOP " and look both directions, even though they " ACKNOWLEDGE " while knowing the " stop sign " is there, but do not USE OR OBEY THAT LAW TO STOP exclusively as the commands them to do?

Still an even better excample: While Most Christian professing Ministers and Scholars readily ACKNOWLEDGE that " SUNDAY " is not the scriptural or Biblical " SABBATH ", however, while not using the true Biblical " SABBATH " exclusively, are they not still wilfully breaking the Biblical "" SABBATH" Commandment of YAHWEH ?

My friend, merely readily ACKNOWLEDGING YAHWEH and Yahushua's Name while not USING, PRAISING, and DECLARING their names to the common people( Rom.10:9-14)exclusively is still wilfully breaking or transgressing His Commandments telling us to do so in His Word of Truth and His Word is thee Truth( John 17:17), and I and others on here have written and shown you those scriptural Commands have we not ?

You also said, """"I prefer congregations tht worship in Spirit and in Truth """" Unquote.

Answer those questions, and especially these last two questions, if those congregations that you prefer, are truely worshipping in spirit and IN TRUTH OF SCRIPTURES( John 4:23-24; John 17:17) as you say, and are truely living by every Word of Yah( Deut.8:3; Matt.4:4; Luke 4:4) as Messiah said for us to do, and as is Commanded in the Torah( law), are they really worshipping in spirit and in TRUTH ?

Like I said before, I have studied most every man and Organization's teachings, and they may claim they are the real thing, but when their teachings are compared to common sence scriptures, they are found wanting and hanging in the balance.

Please answer those questions above with scriptures?

Elyahc =Eljah C.

I believe she was just as many people you and I find to be violating the third commandment by ingnoratly or unknowingly using subtitute title (not subtitute names)for the name of Yahueh. If we do not set the example of love for them building relationships instead of just shouting at them how wrong they are they will never repent. I find the actions of Yahueh to be much more tolerant than yours which seems to be on the computer screen one of impatience and lack of longsuffering. Forgive me if I am reading you wrong.

I have been away from this forum for several months, and I am only now returning for a very brief period of time. As such, I have not read everything in this thread, only this one page. I feel I need to respond to what you have written, even though I am not certain how long I will continue to participate in this discussion.

I do not mean to come across harshly because you and I know each other personally, and I believe you know I consider you to be a dear friend. Nevertheless, I have to put my love for Yahweh above any earthly friendships, which in turn means I believe I must do my best to speak the truth, no matter how bitter it may be for the opposition to swallow.

To begin with, you know that you and I have had this discussion before, and you know you are on record as having stated that you would have no problem with referring to YHWH as your "Zeus." That remark remains one of the most shocking comments I have ever heard from an individual who calls upon the name YHWH. Here is the full comment, taken word-for-word from an e-mail you sent back on March 17, 2001:

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If I were using Zues or Apollo as tiles to express the Yahueh was my Deity then I would have no problem saying and honorably so that Yahueh is my Zues or that Yahueh is my Apollo. This is a mute issue with me as long as they were titles used to express that I accept and honor Yahueh as my Deity.

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In response to your commentary, another participant in that discussion wisely wrote these words:

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Really now, in your zeal to justify the Christians' use of "god" and "lord", have you gone too far? Think about this: Would a Christian have the nerve to make such an assertion? That he could justifiably call The Almighty "Apollo" and "Zeus"?

Make such a claim while attending their Bible studies, and they will laugh you to scorn.

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David, you claim that attending these Christian churches doesn't affect you. Would anyone here expect you to say otherwise? Would anyone expect you to claim that you attend Christian churches, and your attendance there is shaping your subconscious mind in a negative way?

Yet, the very words you wrote in your last posting demonstrate that, indeed, your subconscious thoughts are being affected by where you attend. Why else would you commit such a typo as referring to Esther as "Easter"? What would cause you to do such a thing, my friend? I know we're all guilty of making typos, but this one is more than just a typo to me. Here is what you wrote:

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I agree with you that syncretism is wrong. I do not agree with you that the Scriptures say what you call syncretism is in fact syncretism. The Scriptures in Hebrew have many that use only Elohim and do not have Yahueh in them like the book of Easter. Was Easter worshipping Yahueh?

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In the great debate over the importance of names, the above is a mistake that makes a huge difference. I believe Esther worshipped Yahweh, but "Easter" never did, and never will, for I believe most of us know "who" is behind Easter, and it has nothing to do with Almighty Yahweh. What, pray tell, influenced you to type Esther's name as "Easter"?

By the way, getting back to your example of Esther, I am in disagreement with your premise regarding syncretism. All I need to ask you is one simple question: Did Esther ever refer to Yahweh with a name or title matching the name of an idol? By this, I mean, "Did Esther ever refer to the Almighty with a name or title whose origin can be traced to the name of a heathen idol?" Yes or no, please. We can hopefully all discern that the title "elohim" is ultimately traced to the pure worship of Yahweh before being corrupted by unregenerate heathens.

As I close, I would like to ask some rhetorical questions; at least they are rhetorical to me.

• It is a matter of fact that the word pronounced "gawd" in Russian means "reptile." Could this possibly be related to the worship of the idol of fortune named Gad (pronounced "gawd")? Moreover, is it just a coincidence that a Russian word containing the word "gad" (gadalka) means "fortune teller"?
• It is a matter of record that in ancient Ireland they worshipped Baal. Could you tell me where the worship of this idol can be traced?
• It is also a matter of record that in ancient Ireland the generic word for deity was "el." Could you please tell me where this word came from?
• Finally, it is also a matter of record that in ancient Ireland they worshipped an idol named Gad-el-glas, whose name translated literally means "Snake deity green," or as we would say it, "Green snake deity." Could you please tell me where the worship of the idol Gad (pronounced "gawd") comes from?

David, you continue to maintain, as you did back in 2001, that no one has ever proven to you that there is a connection between the English "God" and the Canaanite idol whose name is pronounced the same. If the above doesn't persuade you of even the possibility of a connection, then I doubt anything will. In fact, I am curious as to what it would take before you would finally see the connection. I could just as easily refer to Yahweh as "my Apollo" and tell you the word I use isn't the same as the Greek or Roman idol. I could even tell you that you cannot prove such a connection, for whatever that is worth.

As it is, the foremost etymologists, or at least those respected by worldly standards, have come right out and stated that the etymology of the English word "God" is a "tangle of guesses." Yet you believe it cannot be connected to the name of a heathen idol whose worship is condemned by Yahweh?

I am all for building relationships, David, and setting an example of love. I do not feel animosity towards those who refer to the Almighty as their "God." Rather, I feel great sorrow, for I believe they dishonor Him when they do this. To me, this is not about condemning anyone who doesn't agree with me. It is ALL about honoring Yahweh. We have so many choices when it comes to titles we can use in reference to Him. Why choose one that matches the pronunciation of a heathen idol? Does this really honor Him?

You said, """" I agree with you that syncretism is wrong. I do not agree with you that the Scriptures say what you call syncretism is in fact syncretism. The Scriptures in Hebrew have many that use only Elohim and do not have Yahueh in them like the book of Easter. Was Easter worshipping Yahueh?
I believe she was just as many people you and I find to be violating the third commandment by ingnoratly or unknowingly using subtitute title (not subtitute names)for the name of Yahueh. If we do not set the example of love for them building relationships instead of just shouting at them how wrong they are they will never repent. I find the actions of Yahueh to be much more tolerant than yours which seems to be on the computer screen one of impatience and lack of longsuffering. Forgive me if I am reading you wrong.""""

First of all, I will say that Larry summed it up very well, however, your scripturall wrong about "" Esther's "" name, it is not "" Easter "", it is ( Strongs Hebrew Number 635 which is Esther) as you called her.

And second, I use the "" CAPITOL LETTERS "" in my posts for people to "" Notice "" what the main point is, even when writing the scriptures, however, I do NOT USE the "" Capitol letters "" to express my emotion as you may assume as " Shouting " or " condemning " either.

And "" tolerance "" to your posts has nothing to do with it, I merely gave you answers to your words with examples, and a scriptural example at that.

I have shown scriptural proof( look in the back posts under 'LORD' or ' GOD ')that the word "" GOD"" is the same word as " GAWD=GUWD "( Strongs Heb.nums.1409, 1413, 1464)and is even pronounced the same too.

This word " GOD " is of pagan origin and was adopted by the Teutonic( ie Germans, ie- Assyrians) races upon conversion to christianity.

http://88.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GO/GOD.htm

Look up this Hebrew title names in ( Strongs Concordance Hebrew Dictionary)of " GAD=1409,GUWD "= 1464 that is used in ( Isa.65:11) of "" THAT TROOP "" see center reference column, the English uses " God from German Gott= Guth and the English " GOD= GAD=Number 1409 from 1464= GUWD and is the same word.

Scroll down and Click on the little speaker and listen to the pronounciation of this word GAD=GOD=GAWD=GUWD at this address Dictionary below.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicon....n=kjv&a mp;type=eng&submit=Find

Now be honest with yourself, is this not the same word as ""GOD=GAD=GAWD "" and pronounced the same ?

The Swedish and DANISH use " GUD " as their title for the English " GOD", and you can recognize the SWEDISH and DANISH form of " Gud " in Strongs Hebrew number 1464 as GUwD.

I'd rather not only feel sorry for the people( and I certainly do not condemn anyone) who do not SEE and recognize this word " god=gawd "( Isa.65:11)in the scriptures as a Babylonian deity, however, I do as the scriptures say to do, and that is "" If you love your brother or neighbor as ourselves, then we will not suffer sin to come upon him.""

That is ONE of the reasons I run the religious forums is for the common people to know this truth, and the truth concerning Yah's true Name, as we are also told to proclaim His Name as Messiah also did( John 17:26)and so did Peter( Acts 2:21, see Joel 2:32, and Paul( Rom.10:9-14), and I ask them the same questions that Shaul( Paul) did in ( Rom.10:14-15) too.

Its very sad that you mis-understood and negated the questions that i asked above, however, I learned these things from Yah in the scriptures long ago, and His Spirit revealed them to me and not from living men as I began an indepth study of the scriptures in the early 1980s, and I have sent this scriptural truth to many COG groups over the years, as I only received this computer back in the Roman month of ( Sept.) this year 2005.

Also, if all these written studies that I have given on this forum concerning this of the scriptures will not open your eyes to this truth,then I can only pray that the FATHER YAH may help you and have mercy on you, for you know they are true.

However, you really would do well to read "" LARRY AND JUNE ACHESON'S "" 2 booklets called "" Do we Honor Yahweh..by Referring to Him as " OUR GOD", and booklet number 2 of "" Sticks and Stones may break my bones but Names will never hurt me."" Unquote.

These booklets will give you a great jump ahead concerning these things, that I never had when I researched these things back in the 1980s.

Shalom,

Elyahc=Eljah C.

Scroll down and Click on the little speaker and listen to the pronounciation of this word GAD=GOD=GAWD=GUWD at this address Dictionary below.