Leah did not name her son after an idol. When he was born, she prophesied, "A troop cometh" and so named him Gawd, which in Hebrew means troop. Since returning troops usually bring back the fortunes of war with them, fortune is a secondary meaning of this term. The fact that the heathen called their deity of troops Troop (Gawd) did not change this.

When Jacob was dying he prophesied over his sons and this is what he said of Gawd in Genesis 49:19:

Gawd, gedud (a troop) Yegudenu (shall troop him) wehu (and he) yawgud (shall troop them) 'aqeiv (on their heel).

The commentators are divided about whether this refers to raiding bands coming against Gawd or to their part in the conquest of Israel. One thing is for certain, Jacob made a word play on the name Gawd here. It is ridiculous to think inspiration would have him do this to the name of a pagan deity.

The real issue is that after 65 years the Sacred Name movement is still speaking half the language of Ashdod and half the language of the Jews. By now the majority should be laining the weekly Torah portion in Hebrew. The fact that none of us can is indeed a sad commentary about a movement that lables every non-Hebrew thing as pagan or suspected of being pagan.

What makes the words God and Lord bad are not necessarily their 'pagan' origin. What makes them bad is the intent of their originators when they were first placed in the King James bible instead of Yahweh. I say the originators desired to divert the praise and honor meant for Yahweh to their own elohim. This is what makes the use of God and the Lord bad. Its the FACT that when you use these words to 'try' to represent the Father Yahweh you are actually calling on demons.

Prior to Jacob's departure from his father-in-law, Laban, do you believe he tolerated idol worship within his household?

You said, """I call heaven and earth to witness against you in this matter Eliyahc! You are teaching false doctrine making your erroneous interpretaion of the Word of Yahueh and promoting traditions of men as truth. I never have and never will be praying to demons and devils by calling Yahueh my God, or Yahushua my Lord. I am not calling on the names of pagan deities no matter what the intentions of those that used these titles to replace the name of Yahueh and Yahushua in the translations of men.

You have made false allegations and acussations and unless you repent you will answer to Yahueh through and by Yahushua the Messiah on judgement day. I dust off my clothing as a witness against you and ask that you be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that your soul might be saved in the name of Yahushua the Messiah our Soveriegn and Saviour! I will not respond to any more of your inflamitory and false accusations or post until you recant this position that all which use Lord and God as titles for Yahueh and Yahushua are praying to demons and devils!

May you have no shalom until you repent!""" Unquote.

David, since you copied "" MY QUOTE "" of this out of my post to Mesobaite
evidently you ignored this below what I wrote.

""All I can do is warn people of this going on today( and I do not condemn others either)as it is plainly written, however, I cannot make people accept it, and it takes YAH'S true spirit to open their minds to realize this deception in THE LATTER DAYS.""

I did not condemn you or anyone, however, I did REPENT a long time ago of taking an age old word called "" GAD=GOD=GAWD=GUWD "", and culturally redefining IT as is done by THE WHOLE WORLD today to " connect" to( syncrenize)or " substitute" for the ONE TRUE SUPREME CREATOR YAHWEH.

And such practice of " syncretisim " of other nations idol deities and their worldly customs to YAHWEH is practicing IDOLATRY, and the scriptures are full of examples concerning such heathen things practiced by the Children of Israel( 1 Kings 11:6-11)and YAHWEH condemns it, I merely point it out to people.

You can call heaven and earth against me all you want, however, I never condemned you or anyone, but the scriptures do to those who practice such heathen things, and I will NEVER recant to you nor the modern christian claimimg prophets of Baalim that DISHONORS MY HEAVENLY FATHER YAHWEH by either "substituting " or " syncrenizing " His Great MIGHTY Name with idol title/ name deities and are causing the common people to FORGET His Great Name as our forefathers have forgotten His Great Name for Baal god( Jer.23:20-27) IN THE LATTER DAYS.

The whole religious world claims to believe, obey, and follow " a messiah " that did away with the Father's will for mankind which is His laws and commandments.

Such teachings are "" the man of sin/ ie-lawlessness( 1 John 3:4)doctrines that are being taught in religious organizations today.

They teach a lawless " messiah " and their followers to be without Torah( law)to Yah( Psalms 68:4), and have turned the pardon of past sins/ ie-past transgressions of Law( 1John 3:4; Rom.6:1) into freedom or liscence( Jude 4)to continue in sin/ ie-lawlessness, and makes REPENTANCE( Acts 2:38) and JUSTIFICATION( Rom.5:8-10)through the true Messiah of NONE EFFECT.

What I wrote in my post to Mesobaite is true as the scriptures in ( Rev.9:20; Rev.12:9; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) plainly say "" THEY WORSHIPPED THE DRAGON AND THE BEAST ie- the devil "", through his deception( Rev.12:9).

The scriptures plainly teach by the Messiah, and the Desciples, that people either WORSHIP OR SERVE ONE OF TWO " FATHER'S or MASTER'S, and are either in one position( no stratle poling) or the other.

And some information for those who are trying to "" stay on the fence "", that they had better think twice about which side of the fence they are on.

The one is called "" servants of sin ""( John 8:34; Rom.6:16), who wilfully sin( Heb.10:26) which sin is Lawlessness (1John 3:4), and their " father or master "( John 8:44; 1 John 3:8) is satan the devil.

The Messiah said that a person can't serve( ie-obey or worship) two masters, he will either love the one and hate the other( Matt.6:24).

And John said, "" In this the Children of YAH are manifest or made known, and the children of the devil.( 1 John 3:10).

Because obedience to Yah and His Torah through the spirit of Messiah in You( Rom.8:1-14) proves your FAITH( James)and will produce the fruits of the spirit( Gal.5:22).

Brother Matthew used the example of people that "" plainly admit "" that the custom of christ-mass is of heathen origin and practice and plainly condemned in scriptures( Jer.10:1-4), however, these same people when asked "" Then WHY do you observe this tradition? ""

They will respond, "" Well today it means something different, today we keep it and celebrate it for Christ, and it don't mean the same as it did back then."" Unquote.

The same is done with " Easter " also, and they have taken age old heathen idol name deities and customs and merely "" re-defined their meanings in a modern age, and merely given them new age christian meanings to deceive the commom people into worshipping demons and the devil( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8), by practicing " syncretisim ", which is IDOLATRY to do so.

David, you also said this....

"""""How 'God' originated isn't important, it's what it means to me today that matters!"""""" Unquote.

Well, it does really matter is what it MEANS TO YAHWEH in His Word today, and it is simply up to us WHETHER we will listen, do and obey.

Well, we have a saying down here, "" You can call a DOG by the title/ name of a rabbit,however, it is still a DOG just the same, and because modern humans may re-define the meaning of age old idols, does not mean that ALMIGHTY YAHWEH accepts man's " modern day re-defined meaning " of an age old idol either( See Mal.3:6).

Otherwise, answer this question with scriptures; If it is not IDOLATRY to practice " syncretisim " of idols, then, how else could satan the devil deceive THE WHOLE WORLD into worshipping him( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8)through his deception( Rev.12:9)IN THE LATTER DAYS ?

And to tell you the truth, I have greater Shalom( Peace) now than I ever did, because now the scriptures have exposed satan's devices of deception of Idolatry by the practice of "syncretisim " of idols that have caused the whole world to pay homage to him for centuries, and have caused the common people to FORGET His Name of YAHWEH, and FORSAKE HIM AND HIS COMMANDMENTS AND THE TORAH, and that I will NEVER recant for anyone.

You merely called heaven and earth as a witness against yourself, for out of thy own mouth, have thy judged thyself with thine own words as Messiah has said.

However, I pray for you, and to have shalom, not the reverse, as you have done.

Elyahc= Eljah C.

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However, I realize that there are honest people in these modern BABYLON church organizations, but they are commanded to "" COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YOU BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YOU RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAQUES( Rev.18:4).
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The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.

GAD (3)
(gadh, "fortune"):

A god of Good Luck, possibly the Hyades. The writer in Isaiah 65:11 (margin) pronounces a curse against such as are lured away to idolatry. The warning here, according to Cheyne, is specifically against the Samaritans, whom with their religion the Jews held in especial abhorrence. The charge would, however, apply just as well to superstitious and semi-pagan Jews. "But ye that forsake Yahweh, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for Fortune, and that fill up mingled wine unto Destiny; I will destine you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter." There is a play upon words here: "Fill up mingled wine unto Destiny" (meni) and "I will destine manithi, i.e. portion out) you for the sword" (Isaiah 65:11,12). Gad and Meni mentioned here are two Syrian-deities (Cheyne, Book of the Prophet Isaiah, 198).

Schurer (Gesch. d. jud. Volkes, II, 34 note, and bibliography) disputes the reference of the Greek (Tuche) cult to the Semitic Gad, tracing it rather to the Syrian "Astarte" worship. The custom was quite common among heathen peoples of spreading before the gods tables laden with food (compare Herod. i. 181, 183; Smith, Rel. of Semites, Lect X).

Nothing is known of a Babylonian deity named Gad, but there are Aramean and Arabic equivalents. The origin may have been a personification of fortune and destiny, i.e. equivalent to the Fates. The Nabatean inscriptions give, in plural, form, the name of Meni. Achimenidean coins (Persian) are thought by some to bear the name of Meni. How widely spread these Syrian cults became, may be seen in a number of ways, e.g. an altar from Vaison in Southern France bearing an inscription:

"Belus Fortunae rector, Menisque Magister."

Belus, signifying the Syrian Bel of Apamaea (Driver). Canaanitish place-names also attest the prevalence of the cult, as Baal-gad, at the foot of Hermen (Joshua 11:17; 12:7; 13:5); Migdal-gad, possibly Mejdel near Askalon (Joshua 15:37); Gaddi and Gaddiel (Numbers 13:10). In Talmudic literature the name of Gad is frequently invoked (compare McCurdy in Jewish Encyclopedia, V, 544). Indeed the words of Leah in Genesis 30:11 may refer not to good fortune or luck but to the deity who was especially regarded as the patron god of Good Fortune (compare Kent, Student's Old Testament, I, 111). Similar beliefs were held among the Greeks and Romans, e.g. Hor. Sat. ii.8, 61:

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GAD (3)

(gadh, "fortune"): A god of Good Luck, possibly the Hyades. The writer in Isa 65:11 (margin) pronounces a curse against such as are lured away to idolatry. The warning here, according to Cheyne, is specifically against the Samaritans, whom with their religion the Jews held in especial abhorrence. The charge would, however, apply just as well to superstitious and semi-pagan Jews. "But ye that forsake Yahweh, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for Fortune, and that fill up mingled wine unto Destiny; I will destine you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter." There is a play upon words here: "Fill up mingled wine unto Destiny" (meni) and "I will destine manithi, i.e. portion out) you for the sword" (Isa 65:11,12).

Gad and Meni mentioned here are two Syrian-deities (Cheyne, Book of the Prophet Isaiah, 198). Schurer (Gesch. d. jud. Volkes, II, 34 note, and bibliography) disputes the reference of the Greek (Tuche) cult to the Semitic Gad, tracing it rather to the Syrian "Astarte" worship.

The custom was quite common among heathen peoples of spreading before the gods tables laden with food (compare Herod. i. 181, 183; Smith, Rel. of Semites, Lect X).
Nothing is known of a Babylonian deity named Gad, but there are Aramean and Arabic equivalents. The origin may have been a personification of fortune and destiny, i.e. equivalent to the Fates. The Nabatean inscriptions give, in plural, form, the name of Meni. Achimenidean coins (Persian) are thought by some to bear the name of Meni. How widely spread these Syrian cults became, may be seen in a number of ways, e.g. an altar from Vaison in Southern France bearing an inscription:"Belus Fortunae rector, Menisque Magister."
Belus, signifying the Syrian Bel of Apamaea (Driver). Canaanitish place-names also attest the prevalence of the cult, as Baal-gad, at the foot of Hermen (Josh 11:17; 12:7; 13:5); Migdal-gad, possibly Mejdel near Askalon (Josh 15:37); Gaddi and Gaddiel (Nu 13:10 f).

In Talmudic literature the name of Gad is frequently invoked (compare McCurdy in Jewish Encyclopedia, V, 544). Indeed the words of Leah in Gen 30:11 may refer not to good fortune or luck but to the deity who was especially regarded as the patron god of Good Fortune (compare Kent, Student's Old Testament, I, 111). Similar beliefs were held among the Greeks and Romans, e.g. Hor. Sat. ii.8, 61:
".... Fortuna, quis est crudelior in nos te deus?"
Cic. N.D. iii.24, 61:"Quo in genere vel maxime est Fortuna numeranda."
The question has also an astronomical interest. Arabic tradition styled the planet Jupiter the greater fortune, and Venus the lesser fortune. Jewish tradition identified Gad with the planet Jupiter, and it has been conjectured that Meni is to be identified with the planet Venus.
See, however, ASTROLOGY, 10.
W. N. Stearns

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

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Baal-gad (bā'əl-găd') , in the Bible, place at the foot of Mt. Hermon. It represented the northern limit of Joshua's conquest. Gad apparently refers to a god of fortune.

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Baal-zebub


(b´l-z´bb) (KEY) [Heb.,=lord of flies], a deliberate Hebrew distortion of the name of the god of Ekron in 2 Kings. In the Gospels of Mark and Luke, Beelzebul, the Greek form of the epithet Baal-zebul [Baal the Prince], is encountered. See Baal and Satan.

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Baal


(b´l) (KEY) , plural Baalim (b´lm) (KEY) [Semitic,=master, lord], name used throughout the Bible for the chief deity or for deities of Canaan. The term was originally an epithet applied to the storm god Hadad. Technically, Baal was subordinate to El. Baal is attested in the Ebla texts (first half of 2d millennium B.C.).

By the time of the Ugarit tablets (14th cent. B.C.), Baal had become the ruler of the universe. The Ugarit tablets make him chief of the Canaanite pantheon. He is the source of life and fertility, the mightiest hero, the lord of war, and the defeater of the god Yam. There were many temples of Baal in Canaan, and the name Baal was often added to that of a locality, e.g., Baal-peor, Baal-hazor, Baal-hermon.

NOTICE the PRACTICE OF SYNCRETISIM!!!!The Baal cult penetrated Israel and at times led to "" syncretism "". In the Psalms, Yahweh is depicted as Baal and his dwelling is on Mt. Zaphon (Zion), the locale of Baal in Canaanite mythology. The practice of sacred prostitution seems to have been associated with the worship of Baal in Palestine and the cult was vehemently denounced by the prophets, especially Hosea and Jeremiah.

The abhorrence in which the cult was held probably explains the substitution of Ish-bosheth for Esh-baal, of Jerubbesheth for Jerubbaal (a name of Gideon), and of Mephibosheth for Merib-baal. The substituted term probably means “shame.” The same abhorrence is evident the use of the pejorative name Baal-zebub (see also Satan). The Baal of 1 Chronicles is probably the same as Ramah 2. As cognates of Baal in other Semitic languages there are Bel (in Babylonian religion) and the last elements in the Tyrian names Jezebel, Hasdrubal, and Hannibal.

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Anglo-Saxon God; German Gott; akin to Persian khoda; Hindu khooda).

God can variously be defined as:

the proper name of the one Supreme and Infinite Personal Being, the Creator and Ruler of the universe, to whom man owes obedience and worship;
the common or generic name of the several supposed beings to whom, in polytheistic religions, Divine attributes are ascribed and Divine worship rendered;
the name sometimes applied to an idol as the image or dwelling-place of a god.

The root-meaning of the name (from Gothic root gheu; Sanskrit hub or emu, "to invoke or to sacrifice to") is either "the one invoked" or "the one sacrificed to." From different Indo-Germanic roots (div, "to shine" or "give light"; thes in thessasthai "to implore") come the Indo-Iranian deva, Sanskrit dyaus (gen. divas), Latin deus, Greek theos, Irish and Gaelic dia, all of which are generic names; also Greek Zeus (gen. Dios, Latin Jupiter (jovpater), Old Teutonic Tiu or Tiw (surviving in Tuesday), Latin Janus, Diana, and other proper names of pagan deities. The common name most widely used in Semitic occurs as 'el in Hebrew, 'ilu in Babylonian, 'ilah in Arabic, etc.; and though scholars are not agreed on the point, the root-meaning most probably is "the strong or mighty one."

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NOUN: 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being. 2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god. 5. A very handsome man. 6. A powerful ruler or despot.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English. See gheu()- in Appendix I

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ENTRY: gheu()-
DEFINITION: To call, invoke. Oldest form *heu()-, becoming *gheu()- in centum languages. Suffixed zero-grade form *ghu-to-, “the invoked,” god. a. god, from Old English god, god; b. giddy, from Old English gydig, gidig, possessed, insane, from Germanic *gud-iga-, possessed by a god; c. götterdämmerung, from Old High German got, god. a–c all from Germanic *gudam, god. (Pokorny hau- 413

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Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.

Main Entry: 1god
Pronunciation: 'gäd also 'god
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German got god

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Main Entry: 3gad
Function: interjection
Etymology: euphemism for God
-- used as a mild oath

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However, this is not given to condemn anyone, but to show its testifying facts, which Larry has give much proving these things, but the choice is up to you whether you want to practice SYNCRETISIM TO YAHWEH or not, which is clearly condemned in scriptures( See 1 Kings 11:5-6) concerning Solomon who did the same.

Elyahc= Eljah C.

"You are elevating your speculation above archaeological evidence"

In archeological data there is much room for interpretation and disagreement by individuals. Unless you find an actual picture in stone of Leah worshipping the image of God then I do not accept the interpretation of yours or of the experts, because my hypothesis is as valid and plausible as thier educated quesses. I am sure Leah did not worship the image God.

You believe she did and named her son after this idol. I find this preposterous that Yahueh would not have spoke against this if he was displeased with the name she gave her son. If it was an idol she worshipped I sure this would the silence that speaks volumes and the putting of the name of this tribe on the New Yahrushaliem confirms this is not the case.

If you believe I am calling on a demon when I pray to Yahueh my God I guess this will be my last responce to you as it was with Eliyahc unless you repent and retract such a belief. I ask Yahueh to turn you over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh and the fleshly mind that your soul might be saved. This is a horrible accusation to make against anyone unless you in fact KNOW this is the case and can prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt. I hope you repent soon.

In the name of Yahushua the Messiah our Soveriegn,

Darrell K. Whitfield

Like you, I believe the evidence regarding the idol named Gad (pronounced gawd), is simply overwhelming, illustrating not only the fact that the idol Gad was worshipped in Syria, within which lies Leah's home town of Haran, but also that many scholars agree she named Zilpah's son after this same idol.

Based upon what I understand from Scripture, there is essentially no sin associated with naming your son after an idol's name, although I would personally never recommend doing such a thing. It was apparently very common, and obviously has no bearing on what the bearer of that name will be like when he or she grows up. Righteous believers such as Apollos and Hermes are just two examples of this. There are others, such as Epaphroditus, mentioned in Philippians 4:18. "Epaphroditus," according to The New Unger's Bible Dictionary, means "belonging 'to Aphrodite,' or Venus." Then there's always the woman named Nympha, mentioned in Colossians 4:15. "Nympha" means "nymph-given." Another disciple is Artemas, mentioned in Titus 3:12. "Artemas" means "'gift of Artemis,' i.e. Diana."

There is no question that each of the above disciples was named after a heathen idol. Nevertheless, they went on to become righteous servants of Yahweh and His Son. I believe they will have their names inscribed in the greatest place a name could possibly be inscribed -- the Book of Life. Does this mean we would honor Yahweh by taking any one of those names, culturally redefining it as a "perfectly acceptable translation of Elohim," and then assigning it as a title for Yahweh? Yahweh forbid!

As I have previously mentioned, for me this topic can be reduced to two simple Scriptural facts:

1. Yahweh has identified (defined) God as the name of an idol worshipped by those who forsake Him (Is. 65:11).
2. There is no Scriptural precedent of any believer ever referring to Yahweh with a title that can be traced to the name of an idol.

If anyone wants a third reason, I would suggest doing an etymological search for the origin of the word "God" based upon the criteria promoted by the opposition. Indeed, no matter how you "slice it," you come up with heathen worship. I am at a loss as to how, even with this understanding, anyone could conclude that we honor the Almighty by referring to Him as "our God." Why settle for anything that is less than pure?

Keep up the excellent work, Elyahc, and you are still in our prayers. May Yahweh bless and heal you from the intense pain you have been suffering.

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua,
Larry

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Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but aren't you on record as believing the English "God" that you use in reference to Yahweh cannot be traced to Gad?

Thus, even if we were to produce an ancient pictogram or whatever of Leah bowing down to an image with an inscription bearing the pronunciation "God," wouldn't you then revert to your other claim that "no one can prove a connection beyond a reasonable doubt"?

Just asking! Take care and may Yahweh bless.

You wrote talking to Larry...."""""If you believe I am calling on a demon when I pray to Yahueh my God I guess this will be my last responce to you as it was with Eliyahc unless you repent and retract such a belief. I ask Yahueh to turn you over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh and the fleshly mind that your soul might be saved. This is a horrible accusation to make against anyone unless you in fact KNOW this is the case and can prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt. I hope you repent soon.""""""

David, neither Larry nor myself have accused YOU personally of worshipping demons, however, the scriptures are very clear concerning the practice of " SYNCRETISIM " of idols with the FATHER YAHWEH which is Idolatry( Judges 2; 1 Kings 11:5-6) and the idol of " Baal GAWD=GOD "( Isa.65:11) or ANY other idol deity in SUBSTITUTION or CONNECTION to the FATHER YAHWEH is explicitly forbidden in the Torah, which caused many captivities of the Children of Israel, and caused YAHWEH'S anger was hot against them for Idolatry.

In ( Rev.13:15) is spoken of an idol image of the beast which is this world's Kingdoms, and the ONLY NAME/ title that is used by the beast kingdom, and the ONLY NAME/TITLE of blasphemy that is on the BABYLONIAN HARLOT( Rev.17:3-5)is the name/title of " Gad=1408=GAWD and 1409=GAWD from 1464=GUWD" and you can notice the " dg " pointing of this title/ name is none other than " GOD ".

When you look at the scriptural definition concerning the word "" POWER "" and "" NAME "", by its own explanation they mean the ONE AND THE SAME.

Example; In ( Acts 4:7) when they were asked "" By what POWER( ie-Authority) or by what NAME( ie-Authority) have you done this?"" They mean the ONE AND THE SAME, for the " NAME " is thee " POWER " and " AUTHORITY " concerning Messiah's Name( Acts 4:10).

Then, by the scriptures own definition of ( Rev.13:2) says the Dragon/ ie-satan( See Rev.12:9) gave power( ie-his name and authority) to the beast, and his seat and great authority.

Then, you will read... "" 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST.( See Dan.7:23) that the beast is a Kingdom, and a King is the same as his kingdom( See Rev.17:12)

4 AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE DRAGON( ie-satan the devil, see Rev.12:9) which gave POWER( ie-his name and authority) unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?( Rev.13:3-4).

What is the Greek definition of a "" DEMON ""?

"""Result of search for "demon":
4151. pneuma pnyoo'-mah from 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare 5590."""

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Etymology of the word demon .

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Demon
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In religion, folklore, and mythology a demon or demoness is a supernatural being that has generally been described as a malevolent spirit but outside Christian circles was viewed as a sort of elemental spirit: compare daemon and djinn. A demon is frequently depicted as a force that may be conjured and insecurely controlled. The "good" demon in recent use is largely a literary device (eg: Maxwell's demon). In common language, "demonizing" one's opponent is an aspersion.

As the Indo-Iranian Avestan and Vedic traditions and also other branches of Indo-European mythologies show, the notion of demon has existed for many centuries.

The Greek conception of a daemon (δαίμων) appears in the works of Plato and many other ancient authors, but without the evil connotations which are apparent in the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible and in the Greek originals of the New Testament. The medieval and neo-medieval conception of a "demon" in Western civilization (see the Medieval grimoire called the Ars Goetia) derives seamlessly from the ambient popular culture of Late (Roman) Antiquity: Greco-Roman concepts of daemons that passed into Christian culture are discussed in the entry daemon.The Hellenistic "Demon" eventually came to include many Semitic and Near Eastern gods as evaluated by Christianity.

In some present-day cultures, demons are still feared in popular superstition, largely due to their alleged power to possess humans, and they are an important concept in many modern religions and occultist traditions.

In the contemporary Western occultist tradition (perhaps epitomized by the work of Aleister Crowley) a demon, such as Choronzon, the "Demon of the Abyss", is a useful metaphor for certain inner psychological processes, though some may also regard it as an objectively real phenomenon.

Etymology
The idea of demons is as old as religion itself, and the word "demon" seems to have ancient origins. The Merriam-Webster dictionary gives the etymology of the word as Greek daimon, probably from the verb daiesthai meaning "to divide, distribute." The Proto-Indo-European root *deiwos for god, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "bright, shining" has retained this meaning in many related Indo-European languages and cultures (Sanskrit deva, Latin deus, German Tiw), but also provided another other common word for demon in Avestan daeva.

In greek, the word 'δαίμων', is the greek word for demon. But, in ancient greek, the word "δαίμων" means somebody very clever.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon

Now the connection with Proto Indo Europeans of Germanic and Indo Aryan= Assyrians.

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Deva (Hinduism)
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Deva (देव in Devanagari script, pronounced as "dévə") is the Sanskrit word for "god, deity". It can be variously interpreted as a spirit, demi-god, celestial being, angel, deity or any supernatural being of high excellence. In Hindu mythology, the devas are opposed to the demonic Asuras.

Etymology

The word is from PIE *deiwos, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "shining", a PIE (not synchronic Sanskrit) vrddhi derivative from a root *diw "to shine", especially of the daylit sky. The feminine is Devi "goddess" (PIE *deiwih2). The cognate word in Avestan is daeva. In Zoroastrianism and the Avesta, the ahuras are supreme, while the daevas are demonic. This has been forwarded as an argument of a religious split between early Indo-Aryans and Iranians, but it should be noted that in early Vedic religion, some Asuras are still worshipped, so that it seems more likely that the Indo-Iranians, and probably already the Proto-Indo-Europeans (the Germanic Aesir are cognate to the Asuras) worshipped two classes of gods, without any moral dichotomy. Not to be confused is the PIE proper name *Dyeus which while from the same root, may originally have referred to the sky, and hence to "Father Sky", the chief god of the Indo-European pantheon, continued in Sanskrit Dyaus, Germanic Tiwaz. The English words "divine", "deity", Latin "deus", French "dieu", are cognates of deva. Today, Hindus also call a Deva as Devatā.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_deity

Now the connection to the Old English to the Proto Germanic and Proto Indo European.

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Aesir
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In Old Norse, the AEsir (singular Áss, feminine Ásynja, feminine plural Ásynjur, Anglo-Saxon Ós, from Proto-Germanic *Ansuz) are the principal gods of the pantheon of Norse mythology. They include many of the major figures, such as ODIN, Frigg, Thor, Baldr and Tyr. A second clan of gods, the Vanir, is also mentioned in the Norse mythos: the god Njord and his children, Freyr and Freyja, are the most prominent Vanir gods who join the Æsir as hostages after a war between Æsir and Vanir. The Vanir appear to have mainly been connected with cultivation and fertility, the Æsir with power and war.

Etymology

The word áss, Proto-Germanic *ansuz is believed to be derived from Proto-Indo-European *ansu- 'breath, god' related to Sanskrit asura and Avestan ahura with the same meaning; though in Sanskrit asura came to mean 'demon'. The cognate Old English form to áss is os 'god, deity', as in the still-current surname Osgood, or the first names Oswin, Osbert, Oswald, Osborn, Osmund (but Oscar is an unrelated Gaelic name).

Snorri Sturluson's Euhemeristic in the 13th century connected the Æsir with Asia, an explanation repeated as late as in the 17th century by Schefferus, who held that Æsir referred to "Asian emperors", that is, a shamanistic hereditary leadership, emanating out from the Eurasian steppes into Europe in ancient times (compare Thraco-Cimmerians).

Ása is the genitive form of Áss. The form appears as a prefix to indicate membership in the AEsir in "Ása-Þórr", and also in the compound Ásatrú, a sect of Germanic Neopaganism.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesir

Please also see how this is connected to 'GOD=GAWD=GUWD '( Isa.65:11) and the Roman Jupiter as also it proves a connection of who the Old English of ' GOD' with ' ODIN ' with the modern day descendants of the Children of Israel to ancient Indo Aryan= Assyrians in post number posted 01-22-2006 02:40 AM at below...

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-11.html

Does anyone want to refute these connections from the Sanskrit thru. to Germanic to English?

Does anyone want to refute that the title of 'GOD 'is not in fact a title for demons , and as this is satan who is behind this idol title ' GOTT=GOD=GAWD=GUWD '( Isa.65:11)that is being worshipped in the latter days( Rev.13:1-17), which is also the title/ name of the image of the beast ?

Definition of Strongs Greek Dictionary 1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.

What is the definition of ""Dragon ""?

Result of search for "dragon":
1404. drakon drak'-own probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look); a fabulous kind of serpent (perhaps as supposed to fascinate):--dragon

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=dragon

Now " devil "?

Result of search for "devil":
1139. daimonizomai dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee middle voice from 1142; to be exercised by a dæmon:--have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil(-s).

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1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.
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1142. daimon dah'-ee-mown from daio (to distribute fortunes); a dæmon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature):--devil.
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1228. diabolos dee-ab'-ol-os from 1225; a traducer; specially, Satan (compare 7854):--false accuser, devil, slanderer.
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4190. poneros pon-ay-ros' from a derivative of 4192; hurtful, i.e. evil (properly, in effect or influence, and thus differing from 2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from 4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); figuratively, calamitous; also (passively) ill, i.e. diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, i.e. derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners:--bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked(-ness). See also 4191.
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4566. Satan sat-an' of Hebrew origin (7854); Satan, i.e. the devil:--Satan. Compare 4567.
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4567. Satanas sat-an-as' of Chaldee origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:--Satan.
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http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=devil

However look at this ONE HERE, "" 1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.""

Then, we continue with ( Rev.13:5-7), "" 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power( ie- his name and authority) was given unto him to continue forty and two months( 1260 years).

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against YAH, to blaspheme HIS NAME( ie-The Name of YAH and His Authority), and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Then, you will read in ( Rev.13:8-9), "" 8 AND ALL THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH SHALL WORSHIP HIM( satan the devil and the beast kingdom), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.""

Then, you will read....""11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb( he looks Messiah like), and he spake as a dragon( or as satan the devil, See Rev.12:9).

12 And he exerciseth all the power( ie- his name and authority) of the first beast( Kingdom, See Dan.7:23; Rev.13:1, ie ROME) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein TO WORSHIP THE FIRST BEAST( See.Dan.7:23; Rev.13:1, ie- ROME), whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, THAT THEY SHOULD MAKE AN ( idol)IMAGE TO THE BEAST( Kingdom,See Dan.7:23; Rev.13:1, ie-ROME) which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the( idol) image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Now what is the Greek Definition of a " IDOL "?

"""Result of search for "idol":
1493. eidoleion i-do-li'-on neuter of a presumed derivative of 1497; an image-fane:--idol's temple.

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1497. eidolon i'-do-lon from 1491; an image (i.e. for worship); by implication, a heathen god, or (plural) the worship of such:--idol.
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3152. mataios mat'-ah-yos from the base of 3155; empty, i.e. (literally) profitless, or (specially), an idol:--vain, vanity.
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3434. Moloch mol-okh' of Hebrew origin (4432); Moloch (i.e. Molek), an idol:--Moloch.
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4481. Rhemphan hrem-fan' by incorrect transliteration for a word of Hebrew origin (3594); Remphan (i.e. Kijun), an Egyptian idol:--Remphan.

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=idol

However notice this ONE HERE, ""1497. eidolon i'-do-lon from 1491; an image (i.e. for worship); by implication, a heathen god, or (plural) the worship of such:--idol"""

Then you will read, """And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark( ie-a SIGN) in their right hand, or in their foreheads( or minds):

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or THE NAME of the beast, or the number of his name.

The ONLY IDOL title/ name that this world's religious kingdoms use, and is in the foreheads or minds of the beast kingdom and its religious kingdoms, is the title/ names of the BABYLONIAN DEITY OF FORTUNE, which is none other than ( Isa.65:11), which is " GOD " ie-GAD=1408 and 1409=GAWD, from 1464= GUWD".

Thus, the whole world worships satan the devil( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) through the deception of this false BABYLONIAN IDOL DEITY DEMON called " GOD"=GAWD", through satan's deception( Rev.12:9).

And they have his very mark or name in their right hand which symbolizes disobedience, and his name in their very foreheads or minds( Rev.13:16-17).

See the connection with post date posted 01-22-2006 02:40 AM at below....

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-11.html

Otherwise, how could the whole world be deceived by satan( Rev.12:9) into worshipping him ( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) in the LATTER DAYS?

Elyahc= Eljah C.

How true you are, concerning men who were named after idol deities, however, that does not justify someone to call the true Creator YAHWEH by such idol titles.

"""As I have previously mentioned, for me this topic can be reduced to two simple Scriptural facts:

1. Yahweh has identified (defined) God as the name of an idol worshipped by those who forsake Him (Is. 65:11).
2. There is no Scriptural precedent of any believer ever referring to Yahweh with a title that can be traced to the name of an idol.

If anyone wants a third reason, I would suggest doing an etymological search for the origin of the word "God" based upon the criteria promoted by the opposition. Indeed, no matter how you "slice it," you come up with heathen worship. I am at a loss as to how, even with this understanding, anyone could conclude that we honor the Almighty by referring to Him as "our God." Why settle for anything that is less than pure? """ Unquote.

Very well put indeed, and when one truely looks at whom and what is behind that idol deity of "god ", then one will truely understand the meaning of ( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8), as I was truely shocked at this revealing years ago in my indepth studies of the scriptures.

I bought this computer back in ( Sept.)of 2005, and I have been banned from several religious forums merely because I use the TRUE NAMES, and for revealing the truth concerning the idol deity of ( Isa.65:11) and who is really behind it, however, I just move on to another forum.

Again, thank you for your prayers, I do feel a little better, however, I have the worst pain when i awake from sleep.

May YAH be with You and June and family always, you truely have His true Spirit, and really know and understand Yahweh's Word of truth.

With much love and deep respect in Messiah.

Elyahc= Eljah C.

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Originally posted by Voice of Reason:
I am glad that the Judge won't use a mere tangle of guesses or a technicality like a mistaken pronunciation to accuse me of sin.

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Originally posted by Acheson:
Hi, Shlomoh:

Prior to Jacob's departure from his father-in-law, Laban, do you believe he tolerated idol worship within his household?

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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Shalom Larry,

In Genesis 35 he told his household to put away their foregin elohim and they did so. This indicates that there was some mixing of worship here. However, the inspiration of the Holy Spirit did not bear witness to it. In the case of the naming of Gawd, both his mother (Gen. 30:10) and father (49:19) prophesied that the meaning of his name signified what his future would be. As I see it, if Leah simply gave her son a name that meant "troop", one could still argue against the use of the sound "god" in worship on the basis of Isaiah 65:11. If she named him after the idol Gawd, then the acceptance of this on the part of the Holy Spirit eliminates any argument against the use of the Teutonic title God on the basis that is sounds like the idol Gawd.

Yours for accurate reporting,

You said, """"I am glad that the Judge won't use a mere tangle of guesses or a technicality like a mistaken pronunciation to accuse me of sin."""" Unquote.

No one has " Judged " or accused anyone of "sin " as you presume, however, there is overwhelming historal proof and scriptural proof concerning the " culturally re-defined word of a Babylonian deity called ( GOD=GAWD)that is branded and used by the Harlot of ( Rev.17)and to call or refer to the true Creator YAHWEH by any other besides the NAME( ie-His Mmorial Mark of Authority and Charactor)( Exod. 3:15) is to degrade and dis-honor Him and is violation of ( Exod.20:2-7; Exod.23:13) in His Torah.

Also, "" THE JUDGE "" as you referred to explicitly states in ( Rev.20:12)"""And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before YAH(EL); and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."""

Now what first "" BOOKS"( Plural)does people think these " BOOKS " Are?

These books are the ones that many claim to believe, obey, and live by in His Word.

And I might remind people that they shall also be " Judged " out of their own mouths ( Luke 19:22).

"""36 But I( Messiah) say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE CONDEMNED.( Matt.12:36-37), and the TIME HAS COME that Judgment must begin at the House of YAH( 1 Peter 4:17).

We have not "judged " anyone, and we have certainly not accused anyone of sin, however, the words out of their own mouths have found them out according to the requirements in the Torah.

Also, I too like Larry must wonder as I quote His statements concerning the forum guidlines which everyone agreed to when joining the forum.

Larry """"What confuses me about your decision to post here is the fact that one of the criteria required for posting in this forum is the agreement to the following:

1.By posting to any of these forums, with the exception of "The True Faith" forum, you state that you agree with the following scriptural understandings:

2.Belief in the Messiah spoken of in the books of Matthew through Revelation and acceptance of Genesis - Revelation as the inspired word of Yahweh.

3.Belief that "ALL scripture" including the Torah/Law of Yahweh spoken of in Genesis-Malachi is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16).

4.Belief that we should return and use the original names for the Father and the Messiah instead of substitutes or man made alterations such as Jesus, Adonai, the LORD, HaShem, GOD, etc."

Clearly, by using "God" instead of the Creator's name, you disagree with the forum requirement that you agreed to when you registered. I guess what I'd like to know is, why are you posting here in deference to the required guidelines? """ Unquote of Larry's statements and question.

Shalom, in Messiah,

Elyahc= Eljah C.

And I might also remind people, that no one who speaks by inspiration of the spirit will call the Father YAHWEH or Messiah "" acursed"( 1 Cor.12:3), and an idol deity is certainly an " acursed thing ".

And here is the definition of an idol and what is behind it...

1497. eidolon i'-do-lon from 1491; an image (i.e. for worship); by implication, a heathen god, or (plural) the worship of such:--idol.
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3152. mataios mat'-ah-yos from the base of 3155; empty, i.e. (literally) profitless, or (specially), an idol:--vain, vanity.
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1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.
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1142. daimon dah'-ee-mown from daio (to distribute fortunes); a dæmon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature):--devil.

Shalom, Yah bless in Messiah,

Elyahc=Eljah C.

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