The scriptures are very plain on this subject and there are many here that very well know this to be true,

See, http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002606-4.html

See, http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002677.html

You cannot convert them, and these worldly Religious Organizations, however, they will probably drag you on into their Idolatrus worship along with them, and you will suffer their plaques.

The Messenger cries aloud for YAH ALMIGHTY -COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YOU RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAQUES.

"""reverting back to Lord in a congregation """ reminds me of the scriptures by Kepha( Peter) in ( 2 Peter 2:22) have any of you ever seen a dog vomit, and return to eat its own vomit ? Well, me being a man living in the wilderness mountains of Ky. I have seen this before, and it is a grusome site and that i can tell you.

There is another scripture where YAH say that He abhores a person who reverts back into the darkness when they have received the light of truth, and reverts willingly back into the darkness from which they came out of and have seen the light of truth.

I don't know about you, however, I shutter to even think of such a thing as reverting back into darkness, because when you do, Yah is not there in such darkness either, and it is lonely there.

Shalom, may Yah help you to see the true light of truth, and not revert back into the darkness of deception.

david is not going to submit to the truth about this. He and I have argued about this for years now. And not just david many of the other members who have been here for years. Those you would think would know better. What I particularily find disturbing is that some of the members with 'Isreali' back grounds tend to agree with david. I find this very disturbing. And it reminds me of why Yahweh rebuked them continually throughout history in the scriptures - for doing this. Wasn't it them who started the notion of not mentioning the name because it was supposed to be to 'sacred' to be spoken? Where in the world did they find this in scripture?

As one who has accepted the truth about the names I can understand why Yahweh's 'people' the irealites chose to discontinue the use of His name. Whenevr I speak the name people get extremely uncomfortable. They cannot truely accept the fact that Yahweh is the Almighty. Or is it the demons aroound at the time that get uncomfortable and people's spirit sense the tension and turn to listen to hear what I'm talking about. Boy that name is certainly powerful. I see nothing of the same in the name God. Uh oh I forgot god isn't even a name....

And so many go up in their churches and congregations and say in the name of God....without ever acknowledging that they are refering to Yahweh. Because they are not refering to Yahweh when they do this. They are refering to the elohim of the illuminati as King James was a member of this group or in the least influenced by them when he wrote the bible.

This thing is not about the physical. You can't blame it on symantics. This is a spiritual decision to accept the fact that Yahweh is the creator and there is no other name under heaven or title that can replace Him.

really good points and have confirmed our next step. Not sure what the verdict is as we have not let go. But if the verdict is as such as using it we are blessed with several assemblies within 40 minutes away and are friends with several of them.

Using Lord Yahueh our God is not wrong in light of how the the principle is used in the Hebrew text. The Lord Yahushua the Christ is not wrong either in light of how this principle is played out in the Hebrew text. These are generic terms or title of respect for diety and I am refering to Yahueh and Yahushua not a false idol.

So if you choose to go on in your folly of man made interpretations when the Hebrew Scriptures in the text we have copies of deny your understanding and interpretations then I feel for you when you stand before the Creator and many Christians without this kind of attitude may make it into the kingdom before you do.

I hope you don't understand what I am saying which might save you on judgement day a severe penalty as you would otherwise recieve. I did this too for years using the Kris Koster Scriptures and avoiding "idol names" before reading "The Truth Regarding Inspired Titles" by Elder Dale George and Silvio Soto which opened my eyes to my error and cause me to repent to Yahueh and my relatives that I offended with my arrogance and zeal without proper understanding and knowledge.

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You wrote:david is not going to submit to the truth about this

My reply: We don't know what the future holds, and nobody here knows all the truths. By the Love of Yahweh we need to lift each other up.

1 Cor 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary.

May Yahweh have mercy on us all.

"""What I particularily find disturbing is that some of the members with 'Isreali' back grounds tend to agree with david. I find this very disturbing. And it reminds me of why Yahweh rebuked them continually throughout history in the scriptures - for doing this. Wasn't it them who started the notion of not mentioning the name because it was supposed to be to 'sacred' to be spoken? Where in the world did they find this in scripture?

Your not the only one that finds this disturbing as I also, however, the notion of not mentioning the NAME YHWH=YAH really does not come from scriptures, as I and YAHWEHWITNESS have only given some scriptures proving that we are to USE, ACKNOWLEDGE,PRAISE, and also PROCLAIM His and Messiah true Name to the whole world for salvation as Messiah( John 17:26) and John the Baptist did proclaiming YHWH= YAHWEH( See original text of Isa.40:3,Matt.3:3; Mark 1:3; Luke 3:4; John 1:23).

Why else did John have to preach in the wilderness? Because the true NAME of YHWH=YAH-WEH was forbidden to even pronounce the NAME , and especially arround the City of Jerusalem.

However, the not mentioning the true NAME started when the Jews came out of the Babylonian Captivity by superstition of Gentiles profaining the Name and is really based on the tradition of the Elders, as they mis-understood the 3rd Commandment and made it of none effect by saying "" Adonai""( meaning lord) or today of "" Ha shem ""( The name) in substitute for His Name, and kept His true NAME hidden from the common people, as also the Messiah strongly Admonished them for this too( Luke 11:52), and so the legislation was that NONE other than a PRIEST could pronounce the Father's true Name, and upon penalty of death to anyone who did pronounce His Name.

Hence the the whole worlds nations uses or has its own "" SUBSTITUTE PAGAN DEITY "" such as "" Greek = Theos "", "" German" ie-Teutonic ie- Assryian == Gott"", Danish and Swedish use " GUD "( which is Strongs Hebrew Number 1464=GUwD), the English have " GOD= GAD=GAWD= which is Strongs Hebrew Number 1409, and which is related to 1413 and 1464 of GUWD); the Spanish uses "" Dios""( ie-which is related to and the same as the Greek 'Theos '), the French uses "" DIEU "", and it goes on and on to each Nation's pagan deity that has SUBSTITUTED His true when Translated in to all these Nation's languages, they merly SUBSTITUTE their own pagan deity IN PLACE OF YHWH= YAH'S true Name.

So, hence the practice of IDOLATRY( Exod.20:2-7; Exod.20:13:Joshua 23:7) by "" SYNCRETISIM "" of other nation's own pagan deities, which is the same as Solomon did ( 1 Kings 11:5-6) and HE too was listed among all the other evil Kings in Israel THAT HAD DONE EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF YAHWEH.

The whole world practices IDOLATRY by SYNCRETISIM and David's own writings testify of this on this forum to combine pagan deities to YHWH= YAH is forbidden in the scriptures, and no matter what anyone wants to do that seems right in their own eyes.

You also wrote, """" As one who has accepted the truth about the names I can understand why Yahweh's 'people' the irealites chose to discontinue the use of His name. Whenevr I speak the name people get extremely uncomfortable. They cannot truely accept the fact that Yahweh is the Almighty. Or is it the demons aroound at the time that get uncomfortable and people's spirit sense the tension and turn to listen to hear what I'm talking about. Boy that name is certainly powerful. I see nothing of the same in the name God. Uh oh I forgot god isn't even a name....

And so many go up in their churches and congregations and say in the name of God....without ever acknowledging that they are refering to Yahweh. Because they are not refering to Yahweh when they do this. They are refering to the elohim of the illuminati as King James was a member of this group or in the least influenced by them when he wrote the bible.

This thing is not about the physical. You can't blame it on symantics. This is a spiritual decision to accept the fact that Yahweh is the creator and there is no other name under heaven or title that can replace Him.""""

Yes, that's exactly the truth, and " LORD KING JAMES " was influenced by the illuminati and they accepted the "" Jesuit priests "" of the Mithras, as all the Catholics and Protestisim follow and teach today, and yes, as you said, when you mention the true NAME OF YHWH-YAH to them, then you can see their true colors come out( See Rev.13:11; Rev.18:2), they have hidden the Father and Messiah's true NAME from the common people to politically control the masses of population of peoples in deception.

I'm tired of it, and I have made a vow to tell the common people in the world and they are going to know the truth concerning this deception that is causing the WHOLE WORLD to worship the beast kingdom and in fact they are worshipping satan the devil( Rev.13:1-4, and verse 8) through his deception( Rev.12:9).

Thee above scriptures very few people will even read very close, let alone believe it for what it exactly says, however, people who know the truth of this and really understand it will be held accountable( Rom.1:18)and for holding it back in un-righteousness( ie-disobedience to Yah and His Commands)from the common people.

Elyahc = Eljah C.

This has nothing to do with the SACRED NAME PEOPLE, however, they do strive to live by EVERY WORD OF YHWH=YAH( Deut.8:3; Matt.4:4; Luke 4:4) including ( Exod. 23:13; Joshua 23:7).

You said, """Using Lord Yahueh our God is not wrong in light of how the the principle is used in the Hebrew text. The Lord Yahushua the Christ is not wrong either in light of how this principle is played out in the Hebrew text. These are generic terms or title of respect for diety and I am refering to Yahueh and Yahushua not a false idol."""" Unquote.

That above is your own oppinion David, and I do respect your oppinion, however, it is just that, your oppinion, and not what thee original words of scriptures and scriptural examples that have been proven otherwise from thee above oppinion.

David, can't you see the examples given in scriptures concerning combinning( Syncretisim ) of other Nation's origin pagan deities to YHWH=YAH which is Idolatry and forbidden to do so in the scriptures( 1 Kings 11:5-6) as Solomon also did? And all the other nation's pagan gods are idols( 1 Cor.10:14-22)and is in fact demon IDOLATRY worship even according to Shaul( Paul), the same as ( John 5:21; Rev.2:12-15), it is spiritual Adultry to YHWH and Messiah plain and simple.

Why don't people do a Greek study in the Strongs Greek Dictionary of the words "" DEMON ""( ie-which is an idol DEMON GOD), and the words "" Idol and Idols ", and read very close and pay attention at ALL their true meanings?

I'm well aware of the people you mentioned, I have studied about every Religious Group or Organization's doctrines, and when they are compared to scriptures, they fall far short of original words of scriptural truth.

You can't partake of Yah and Messiah's table or fellowship and partake of the table of fellowship with other nation's pagan idol demon gods too, they don't mix, and all original words in the scriptures will prove that too, if people will only look into it.

Elyahc = Eljah C.

Not my opinion as is shown in the article widely dicimenated, THE TRUTH REGARDING INSPIRED TITLES, by Elders Silvio Soto and Dale George, which shows clearly that many names of foriegn idols mentioned in Scripture was used as acceptable titlesfor Yahueh in the Hebrew text. This is not an opinion. It is an established fact. \0/Praise Yahueh my God and Yahushua my Lord! \0/

"David, can't you see the examples given in scriptures concerning combinning( Syncretisim ) of other Nation's origin pagan deities to YHWH=YAH which is Idolatry and forbidden to do so in the scriptures( 1 Kings 11:5-6) as Solomon also did? And all the other nation's pagan gods are idols( 1 Cor.10:14-22)and is in fact demon IDOLATRY worship even according to Shaul( Paul), the same as ( John 5:21; Rev.2:12-15), it is spiritual Adultry to YHWH and Messiah plain and simple."Eliyahc

I agree and fight against all forms of syncretism as upheld in the Hebrew text and Scriptures. The fact is that Lord or God as titles have not conclusively been proven to be forms of syncretism. There is much reasonable doubt as to any connection to the idols of Babylon no matter how many secret societies you bring up.

I too have studies the Illuminati and other sercet societies that are well versed in sencretism and do not find Lord or God being used in this way. Bel-On-Yah is one of the "secret" names of the Creator according to the Masonic Lodge. Does this mean we should quit using Yah and Bel as a title for husband when reading the Hebrew of the Hebrew text? The fact is the Hebrew text doesn't show this is in fact the case!

I don't agree with your conclusions because in fact they oppose the principles laid down in the Hebrew text of the Word of Yahueh!

I hate mixed worship as much or more than you do when it is the kind discribed in these same Scriptures! \0/Praise Yahueh my God and Yahushua the Christ my Lord!\0/

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David ben Yacob

And why not? Will you agree with me then david?..........If you can say God then I can say Rod.......or Ron..........Or Ralf...For that matter why not Rudolf? Yeah, I like Rudolf it has a certain 'ring' to it...LOL

Also you never answered my question above either.

The NAME OF " YAH "" is not of pagan origin, and just because other peoples combine their pagan deities to thee original NAME OF " YAH" which is used by Moses first in ( Exodus 15:2) and is in scriptures 49 times in original scriptures does not make the NAME OF " YAH " pagan, however, the title of " GOD " is OF PAGAN ORIGIN and is in original scriptures too as A BABYLONIAN DEITY( Isa.65:11= GAWD=GOD=GUWD) and we have shown that it( GOD) comes from the TEUTONIC ie-Germanic ie- Assryians and WAS ADOPTED AS THE NAME OF THE ONE SUPREME BEING THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE UPON THE CONVERSION OF THE TEUTONIC RACES TO CHRISTIANITY.

And we are commanded to not even mention other nations pagan deities out of our mouths( Exod.23:13; Joshua 23:7) let alone combine( SYNCRENIZE) them with ALMIGHTY YAH!

All such is IDOLATRY by practicing SYNCRETISIM as Solomon did too( 1 Kings 11:5-6).

Also another example; Is in( 2 Kings 21:1-5) of King Manasseh who also done the same.

1. Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to reign, and reigned fifty and five years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Hephzibah.

2. And he did that which was evil in the sight of YAHWEH, after the abominations of the heathen, whom YAHWEH cast out before the children of Israel.

NOTICE!!!3. For he built up again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and HE REARED UP ALTERS FOR BAAL( = Baal Gad= LORD GAWD), and made a grove( ASHERIA= Astarte= Easter), as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.

NOTICE!!!4. And HE ( even) BUILT ALTERS( of BAAL=lord GAD=GOD=GAWD) IN THE HOUSE OF YAHWEH, of which YAHWEH said, In Jerusalem will I put my name.

5. And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of YAHWEH.

He even built these alters in YAHWEH'S HOUSE, what an abomination!!

Also NOTICE THIS too.

NOTICE!!!7.And he set a graven image of the grove that he had made in the house, of which YAHWEH said to David, and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all tribes of Israel, WILL I PUT MY NAME FOREVER:

NOTICE!!!8. Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and ( do)ACCORDING TO ALL THE LAW( and that would include Exod.23:13) that my servant Moses commanded them.

9. But they hearkened not: and Manasseh seduced them to do more evil than did the nations whom YAHWEH destroyed before the children of Israel.
( 2 Kings 21:7-8).

And what was their fate for doing this practice of SYNCRETISIM ??

11. Because Manasseh king of Judah hath done these abominations, and hath done wickedly above all that the Amorites did, which were before him, and hath made Judah also TO SIN WITH HIS * IDOLS *:

12.Therefore thus saith YAHWEH Elohim of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.

13 And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.

14 And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and DELIVER THEM INTO THE HAND OF THEIR ENEMIES: and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;

15 Because they have done that which was evil in my sight, and have provoked me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt, even unto this day.( 2 Kings 21:11-15).

Their punishment was being delivered into THE HANDS OF THEIR ENEMIES( CAPTIVITY) for practicing IDOLATRY by SYNCRETISIM OF BAAL WORSHIP( and other pagan practices) with the WORSHIP OF YAHWEH, and forsaking YAH'S Commandments!

The first time that "" BAAL WORSHIP and the PRACTICE OF Ashtaroth( Astarte=Ishtar= Easter)"" was practiced by the Children of Israel is when they entered the land od CAANAN.

NOTICE HERE!!

7. And the people served YAHWEH all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of YAHWEH, that he did for Israel.

8. And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of YAHWEH, died, being an hundred and ten years old.

9. And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnathheres, in the mount of Ephraim, on the north side of the hill Gaash.

10. And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not YAHWEH, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.

NOTICE!!!11. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of YAHWEH, and served BAALIM:

12. And they forsook YAHWEH ELOHIM of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked YAHWEH to anger.

13. And they forsook YAHWEH, and SERVED( worshipped) BAAL and ASHTOROTH( Astarte=Ishtar= Easter).

14.And the anger of YAHWEH was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies.( Judges 2:7-14).

Again, the first time the worship of "" BAAL=LORD GAWD and ASTARTE=EASTER"" was when the Children of Israel entered the land of CAANAN, and their PUNISHMENT WAS THAT THEY WERE GIVEN IN TO THE HANDS OF THEIR ENEMIES ie- Captivity.

Now, keep in mind of ( Joshua 23:7).

NOTICE AGAIN!!!!!!!!

15.Whithersoever they went out, the hand of YAHWEH was against them for evil, as YAHWEH had said, and as YAHWEH had sworn unto them: and they were greatly distressed.

16. Nevertheless YAHWEH raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them.

NOTICE HERE CONCERNING THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH!!!17. And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of YAHWEH; but they did not so.

18. And when the YAHWEH raised them up judges, then YAHWEH was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented YAHWEH because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them.

NOTICE AGAIN HERE!!!19.And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

NOTICE AGAIN HERE!!20.And the anger of YAHWEH was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice;

21. I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died:

NOTICE IF YOU WILL BE PROVED IF YOU WILL WALK IN YAH'S WAYS OR COMMANDMENTS OR NOT!!

22. That through them I( YAHWEH) may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of YAHWEH to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not.

There are more examples, however, if people do not want to SEE and hearken or listen to all these Examples, then, they will not believe a thousand examples given to them, and all I have written is scriptures, and not my own ideas either.

Is not the same things being practiced today as it was then? Don't kid yourself that it is not, for it is in His sight, and He never Changes( Mal.3:6).

It is Spiritual Adultry to YHWH=YAH to practice such things, also, it is DEMON WORSHIP ( 1 Cor.10:14-22) and everywhere the "" FEMALE DEITY OF ASHTORETH=ASTARTE-ISHTAR=EASTER"" was practiced as it is today, so was the WORSHIP OF "" BAAL=LORD and GOD=GAWD"", its MALE DEITY COUNTERPART too.

And did not thee Apostle Paul( 1 Cor.10:6-7;Heb.4:11) write and say that all these EXAMPLES were written for our benefit and admonishment to NOT DO AS THEY DID and commit IDOLATRY??

However, Remember, you have been shown 3 examples of such Idolatry and warned, and now your blood will be upon your own heads, hence forth i'm free of this matter.

Elyahc = Eljah C.

Eliyahc,

It is your interpretaion of these very passages that is out of sync with what actually occurs in the Hebrew text, so your interpretaion must be wrong. I do not worship or call upon demon images which is what these verses are refering to taken from the context and evidence of the Hebrew text. You could not even read the Hebrew text if you misapply these verses as you are in fact doing. No opinion here all based on the facts taken from the Hebrew text. No syncretism here either since if the Hebrew text we have is wrong then we all better stop even trying because this is the very basis for what we believe and that is a fact!

Sorry I am out of town and in a public library with limited time or I would deal with more of your erroneous interpretations.

Youhave not in fact proven this no matter how many times you assert this. Strong's Concordance does not say this anywhere in it's pages nor does the Strongest Strong's by Zondervan Publisher either. There is not any thing wrtten so far that I haqve read that proves this in fact beyond the shadow of a doubt. I have read many attempts to make this connection but they in fact do not and neither do you.

I believe in the two house theory but to use it to prop up this kind of scholarship is laughable indeed!

And where in ANY of the scriptures above did i give my interpretation as you say, as I only quoted the scriptures and their examples exactly as is written, and asked questions about them?

Your very words but about thee above scriptures prove the influence of the organization that you attend or have been attending.

I have shown scriptural proof of these things, but evidently you are blind to them, and especially if you would have no problem in referrring to YAHWEH as your ZEUS. Which is Blasphemy( Rev.13:6)as it is written.

If Zues is a title and not being used as a name of an idol I would have no problem with it! Do you know the deos is a title taken from the name Zues from what I understand? I could be incorrect and I am sure if you know you will correct me.

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David ben Yacob