There are 2 references to the word "" GAD "" in the scriptures, and one reference is to the SON of Jacob, however, we are not concerned with the reference that pertains to GAD( as the son to her meant, Yah has made me fortunate or has given her fortune), but there is ANOTHER reference to "" BAAL GAD ""( A babylonian deity that the Children of Israel worshipped, and even people today call on in SUBSTITUTE PLACE for Yah's NAME which is Idolatry( Exod.20:2-7; Exod.23:13;Deut.5:7; Joshua 23:7), the name " Gad " in itself is not bad when looked at in the sence of a HUMAN MAN being called that, HOWEVER, when this "" TITLE NAME OF GAD""( Isa.65:11) is made into a SUBSTITUTE PERSONAL NAME FOR THE CREATOR'S MEMORIAL NAME( which is YHWH=YAHWEH( Exod.3:13-15 which He gave to Himself) it is IDOLATRY IN HIS SIGHT( As in 1 Kings 18 concerning Elijah the Prophet and the BAAL GAWD prophets, and teachers too) , and breaks the 1st-3rd commandments, and also breaks His Command in ( Exod.23:13; Joshua 23:7) to not EVEN MENTION oTHER NATIONS PAGAN Deities.

NOTICE:::As for that NAME GAD which "" IS A NAME FOR ONE OF THE SON'S OF JACOB( NOT A TITLE NAME FOR THE CREATOR YAH) being inscribed on one of the 12 gates( Rev.21:12) is true for it IS THE NAME OF A MAN, one of the twelve tribes of Israel, However, it WILL NOT BE INSCRIBED ON ONE OF THE TWELVE GATES ** AS A SUBSTITUTE TITLE NAME FOR THE CREATOR YAHWEH ** either.

When we SUBSTITUTE the true Creator YAH'S( Exod.3:13-15; Exod.15:2; Psalms 68:4) NAMW with another title name( other than what He prescribes for Himself in His Word), it is the practice of "" Idolatry "" by "" Syncretisim "" which also got Solomon in trouble because of His 700 wives and 300 concubines( 1 Kings 11:5, 33; 2 Kings 23:13) and he was also listed as ONE OF THE EVIL KINGS THAT HAD DONE EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF YAHWEH and it got the Kingdom rent and divided and Solomon was condemned for such Idolatry( 1 Kings 11:6).

It all depends IF PEOPLE ARE TRUE TO THE TRUE CREATOR YAHWEH ENOUGH TO LIVE BY HIS EVERY WORD( Deut.8:3; Matt.4:4; Luke 4:4) OF HIS COMMANDS as Messiah said for us to do. Well, I don't know about YOU, however, I want to Honor My true Father with the ONLY correct NAME that He gave Himself as He told Moses( Exod.3:13-15), and as Joshua told the Children of Israel the Worshipped "" Astarte-Ashtoreth=Easter and its Male Counterpart of BAAL GAWD=GOD""( Judges Chapter 2), as for me and my House, we will SERVE AND OBEY YHWH=YAH=YAHWEH.""

Thee Apostle Paul said that those "" Examples in scriptures"" were written for our benefit and examples that we should NOT do as they( the Children of Israel) ( 1 Cor.10:6-7)did in rebellion against YAHWEH and His Commands.

Thank you.

Blessings. If I knew you were a lady, I would not have got into a discussion. You can never win a debate against a lady... (just joking).

Now, permit me to say that you are "straining the gnat" (to use Jesus' words). The tribe name Gad is identical in spelling and meaning to the deity Gad. It is the exact same word. If it is bad it is bad. The fact that it will be on one of the gates of New Jerusalem indicates that there is nothing bad in itself with the word, only with the way some used it. Thank you.

NOTICE:::As for that NAME GAD which "" IS A NAME FOR ONE OF THE SON'S OF JACOB( NOT A TITLE NAME FOR THE CREATOR YAH) being inscribed on one of the 12 gates( Rev.21:12) is true for it IS THE NAME OF A MAN, one of the twelve tribes of Israel, However, it WILL NOT BE INSCRIBED ON ONE OF THE TWELVE GATES ** AS A SUBSTITUTE TITLE NAME FOR THE CREATOR YAHWEH ** either

I'm not going to argue whether or what you choose and that seems right in your own eyes, because evidently you think its ok to call the Creator YAHWEH by a title of a pagan deity, which He plainly forbids in the Torah, there is a difference in referring to a man, than that of the Creator.

Then what would be the difference in calling Him "" Dagon or Chemosh "" in the scriptures?

Now we see! Now we see the error of telling others its OK to use God! Or Jesus for that matter! Can we not see that this gentleman is insisting on remaining in his error? Thats why we are in errror when we tell him its OK for him to use God/Jesus. Can we see now the error in this position?

And to you sir: GaryPap, as a SDA I am surprised that you cannot see the error of using any other name or reference other than Yahweh (YHWH) when refereing to the almighty creator. If I'm not mistaken isn't your denomination 'big' on the 'ten' commandments; and in particular the first four? Well my friend, what do you think the third commandment is really talking about? Its talking about this same topic. "...Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain..."
Knowing this and holding to it, as I know SDAs do, I cannot understand why you would insist on calling Him anyhting else other than who He is: YAHWEH.

I know why but; I can't understand it. Is it because without it (the use of God) you would be ostrisized from your denomination? Can you go up in your church and continually refer to the almighty as Yahweh or His Son as Yahushua? You know they will reprimand you for this in some way or just stop you from speaking publicly all together. A few years ago there was a magnificent post by another member here on this topic. I will try to find it and refrence it for you to see.

Again and again I insist and battle with most of you over this: Yahweh should never be defiled with the word God or any other word for that matter. And by defiling I mean a word used primarily to replace his name such as God or Lord; and not a word like El, Elohim, Almighty or creator used to refer to him.

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Originally posted by GaryPap:
Hello Elyah (Colette),

Blessings. If I knew you were a lady, I would not have got into a discussion. You can never win a debate against a lady... (just joking).

Now, permit me to say that you are "straining the gnat" (to use Jesus' words). The tribe name Gad is identical in spelling and meaning to the deity Gad. It is the exact same word. If it is bad it is bad. The fact that it will be on one of the gates of New Jerusalem indicates that there is nothing bad in itself with the word, only with the way some used it. Thank you.

Blessings,
Gary

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Gary,
I agree with you regarding "straining the gnat." Many of our words today can be traced back to some form of pagan origins. How do we put limits on this? Do we refrain from speaking?

When we witness to those outside the faith most are put off when we only use words like Elohim or Yahweh. Doing a Google search will show that both of these words can also be traced to paganism (if you want to believe everything found on the internet -- which I don't want to do). haSatan has done his best to throw stumbling blocks in our spiritual paths. Too often we allow ourselves to get too caught up with issues that bring separation within the body instead of unity.

Don't misunderstand my meaning. I believe it is important to learn the truth and to refrain from using titles when we are commanded to call upon Yahweh. However, what I am asking is; are we causing disunity and attempting to be like the Pharisees and insist on legalism? (Gary -- again, I am in agreement with your previous posts). Are we causing our brothers and sisters to remain silent for fear of saying something, or using a word that is not acceptable to others? We are each growing spiritually at different levels.

1 Corinthians 13 says that we can have ALL KNOWLEDGE and yet, without love it profits nothing.

At this years Feast of Tabernacles I heard many people continually apologize for using words like god, lord, etc. And what about the days of the week or months of the year? All of these are from pagan origins. Can anyone claim that they never use the pagan terms? If we attempt to go through life saying such things as "in the 2nd month, 4th day I will do such-and-such..." people will look at you like you're crazy. (Try using Yahweh scritural timing and it gets worse considering His year starts in the Spring!).

Hopefully everyone reading this will understand my thoughts. Yes, learning the truth is vital to our salvation. Causing disunity is harmful. We will never come to agreement one hundred percent while in this mortal body.

If someone uses a term which I don't agree with I simply reply using the correct term (as I understand it), such as the case of the name Yahshua (that in itself can be debated).

May Yahweh bless each of us with His grace, His wisdom, His love as we stive to learn more of His ways and as we strive to teach those around us.

Your brother in Messiah,

In reference to your rebuttal of the name "Gad" (pronounced "Gawd") being inscribed on one of the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem, I will post a section of Mr. Larry Acheson's booklet, which can be found in full length at the following URL:

http://www.search-the-scriptures.org/artic-98.htm

In Yahweh,
Matthew Janzen
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Objection #5: But the Name ‘God’ Will be Inscribed on One of the Twelve Gates of the New Jerusalem!"

Following closely on the heels of the man’s logic that God must be an acceptable title for Yahweh due to the fact that Yahweh did not rebuke Leah for giving Zilpah’s son that name is another spin based on this same line of reasoning: As depicted in Revelation 21:12, the name God will be inscribed on one of the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem. Certainly, as those espousing this rationale insist, the fact that this name will be found inscribed on one of those twelve gates “proves” that Yahweh doesn’t mind if we refer to Him as “our God.” Again, we respond with essentially the same answer as given above: Why is it that, out of ALL those twelve tribes, certain individuals select the name “God” as an acceptable title for Yahweh? Why not “Dan” or “Zebulun”? As stated earlier, we believe we know the answer! It is because they want to “go along with the crowd” (the wrong crowd, by the way). Thus, our point is as follows: This is a case of honor versus compromise. The English-speaking peoples of this world recognize “God” as the name/title of the Creator, despite its less-than-honorable origin. Certainly, if we go along with their custom, we will have more in common with them and we will offend fewer people. If one is thus more interested in attracting converts to the Faith than in outright pleasing and honoring the Heavenly Father, we can see why such an individual would pursue the promotion of “God” as an acceptable title for Yahweh.

The very fact that “God” has been identified by Yahweh Himself as an idol worshipped by those who forsake Him demonstrates the dishonor appropriated to Him by those who willfully choose to refer to Him with that title. Thus, despite the fact that “God” will appear on one of the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem, Yahweh has not identified it as a “clean” Hebrew word. He identifies it with the name of a Canaanite idol. We believe the designation given by Yahweh is sufficient.

Some individuals apparently believe that the appearance of the name “God” on one of the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem somehow supersedes Yahweh’s identifying it as the name of a deity worshipped by those who forsake Him. As for us, we can accept “God” as the name of two MEN found in Scripture. We can accept "God" as the name of a FALSE IDOL. This, however, is where we “draw the line.” We cannot accept it as an appropriate title for our Almighty Heavenly Father. When it comes to titles appropriated to Yahweh, is God REALLY the best we can do? Is it the best we can offer up to Yahweh? To those who answer, “Yes” to that question, we can only reply that, based on all the available evidence, we beg to differ!

As we ponder the name “God” appearing on one of those twelve gates of the New Jerusalem, we need to likewise ponder all those other tribes whose names appear there, as well as the honor associated with each one. Indeed, it is honorable to each tribe’s founding father to have his name inscribed on one of those famous gates. Yet, despite whatever honor those names may hold for the tribes they represent, at the same time we should consider a lesson from their history. Each of those twelve tribes dishonored Yahweh by abandoning Him, rebelling against His laws, and even causing most of mankind to either forget or otherwise trivialize His name. Whether they were from the tribe of God or from the tribe of Zebulun, they rejected Yahweh’s leadership and authority. When it comes right down to it, none of those names represented by those twelve tribes comes even halfway close to deserving the designation as one of Yahweh’s titles. If the best title for Yahweh we can come up with is the name of one of those twelve tribes, despite whatever wondrous magnificence they may appear to have while affixed to those twelve gates of the New Jerusalem, then we are definitely “hard up” for honorable titles! It simply escapes us as to how or why a culture could equate a man’s name, no matter who he is, as being “important” enough to justify applying it as a title for the Creator of the universe.

We say this especially in reference to the title “God.”

While I can understand the point of the article, I don't see how it disputes anything that Gary stated. We all know Yahweh does not mix the profane with what is holy. If the word Gad does in fact equal the term god as in a false deity, then it wouldn't be one the gates of Jerusalem at all. It makes no sense whatsoever for the name of a pagan deity to be displayed on the gates. NONE. I mean how ridiculous is that for the one true Elohim to have the name of a pagan deity scralled on his gates... frankly it's silly.

And for the record, simply because the twelve tribes disobeyed Yahweh has nothing to do with the REMNANT which will be saved from all of Israel. The remnant are those from the tribes that lived according to Yah's will. So the remnant of the tribes are represented by those names, which Paul explains is all of Israel in a manner of speaking in the book of Romans.

Now, I am not saying Yahweh should be addressed as some generic god, but Gary does in fact have a point. If the term Gad equals god (which frankly I am not all that convinced of entirely that this has to be the only meaning), Gad by itself cannot be considered a negative word, it's purely the attatchment than man puts to is what makes it a negative word to that particular man.

I found something interesting about the name Gad and that was that it means : Troop; invader; good fortune.

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Originally posted by emjanzen:
It simply escapes us as to how or why a culture could equate a man’s name, no matter who he is, as being “important” enough to justify applying it as a title for the Creator of the universe.

We say this especially in reference to the title “God.”

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According to some a man's name was equated with the Creator.. his name is Yahushua according to some... whether or not he was given the Father's name by the Father or not.. the fact remains some believe his name contained the Fathers.. and well the Messiah was in fact a man. So if we use the logic of the article, no one should have Yahweh's name equated with their own...perhaps even the Messiah.

Shalom,
Missy