How could they have replaced the name of YHWH with a title: God/Lord? By what authority where they prompted to do this? They even went so far as to change all the names in scripture that had the name of YHWH in them. This was total and complete inialation of the name of YHWH from there bible. Who gave them the authority to do this? Do you think YHWH auhtorized King James and his translation 'team' to do this? By what authority did they do this david? Did the sprirt of YHWH come to them 'in the night' and instruct them to exclude His name from their 'translation'?

If you can answer these questions I can begin to understand your views on this issue.

"How could they have replaced the name of YHWH with a title: God/Lord? By what authority where they prompted to do this? They even went so far as to change all the names in scripture that had the name of YHWH in them. This was total and complete inialation of the name of YHWH from there bible. Who gave them the authority to do this? Do you think YHWH auhtorized King James and his translation 'team' to do this? By what authority did they do this david? Did the sprirt of YHWH come to them 'in the night' and instruct them to exclude His name from their 'translation'?"

I have never advocated replacing the name of YAHUEH or YAHUSHUA with the title of any nation, so I don't understand why you are asking me this. Could you please explain why you ask me the above quoted questions seeing I have never advocated an such thing?

I will say that, even though I disagree with the King James translators for following the Jewish traditions of replacing the Name of YAHUEH with titles, I do think that we would not be discussing this if this version had not been instrumental in getting English speaking peoples around the world into reading and studying the Scriptures. I have to give honor where honor is due and is one reason I use the Word of Yahweh(www.assemblyofyahweh.com) rather than the Scriptures by Kris Koster which is based on erroneous assumptions about the names of idols being used as titles and trying to clean up the English language of idol roots which is impossible in my opinion.

One example is the word "set" used in "Set Apart Spirit" by Kris Koster. Set is an Egyptian idol. So even replacement terms used are inaduquate in ridding our language of title that sound identically to idol names.

"I reply: The fact that you officially express that you will "never agree" really tells me all I need to know about the mindset I am dealing with here. The very thought that someone would uphold a title that, any way you slice it, is traced to heathen worship, is repulsive to me. Nevertheless, if you could actually offer any compelling evidence in support of your stand, I would do my best to listen to what you have to say instead of ignoring everything."

Which came first is always your way out. As I wrote last night on another thread the thought that if GOD was so repulsive to Yahueh then I do not believe he would have tolerated that name on a son of Yacob or on the tribe, or by putting it on the New Yahrushaliem. I don't think it matter how a sound originated or how it is used by us as humans, but what does Yahueh reveal in His word about how He feels about the sound "GAWD"!

You said, """"My point to you sir is that those who came up with these foolishness (God/Lord) had alterior motives. They have sought to make the whole world love/respect/adhere to, there elohim and not Yahweh. """" Unquote.

Exactly, and it proves the point as to their reasons to cause "" THE WHOLE WORLD TO WORSHIP THE BEAST KINGDOM AND SATAN, who gave it its power and authority ""( Rev.12:9; Rev.13:2-4, and verse 8)through deception, and Paul plainly says that other nations Idols and deities are being honored with spiritual sacrifice of praise and worship from their lips, and not to YAHWEH.( 1 Cor.10:20-21).

For Shaul( Paul) says """ 20. But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils( demons), and not to El(YAH): and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils( demons).
( See Also Deut. 32:17).

21. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Messiah, and the cup of devils( demons): ye cannot be partakers of the Messiah's table, and of the table of devils( demons).

It is the " FRUIT OF OUR LIPS " in giving thanks to Yahweh which is the " SPIRITUAL SACRIFICE " we make today, (Hebrews 13:15). Also,(Hosea 14:2 reads "calves of our lips.").

Also, Peter says, We are the living stones being built into "a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, TO OFFER UP SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES "", acceptable to Yahweh through Messiah,our High Priest, (1Peter 2:5).

It is very plain from these scriptures, that Anyone who praises and worships using idol title/ name deities( lord and god) instead( substitute) of YAHWEH, is offering them up to demons and the devil( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8), because YAHWEH does not, nor will He accept such " SPIRITUAL PRAISE AND SACRIFICE FROM THE FRUIT OF OUR LIPS, because He commands it in the Torah( law)and says so( Exod.20:2-7), and to not mention them out of our mouths( Exod.23:13; Joshua 23:7), and He will not share His with another, nor His PRAISE to graven nor mental images( Isa.42:8) as people are doing today( Rev.13:15)by offering up spiritual sacrifice of praise and worshiop to a mental image that people speak and CALL UPON THESE PAGAN IDOL DEITIES EVERY DAY, instead of CALLING ON THE NAME OF YAHWEH( 1 Kings 18:24 as did Elijah the Prophet), and ( Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21; Rom.10:13).

Also, as I have written and said before, we cannot completely stop using certain pagan words( as we would have to trash the entire English language) when speaking to other people, however, we can and should strive to NOT use such idol pagan title/ names in worship to YAHWEH in spirit and in truth of scriptures( Deut.8:3; Matt.4:4; Luke 4:4), but we must learn to discern concerning idol pagan words when speaking to others and between talking to others and YAHWEH with the true and ONLY NAME in which He gave Himself( Exod.3:13-15; Exod. 15:2; Psalms 68:4).

The King James Version translation has caused much deception to the English speaking peoples, and most people in traditional christianity will not accept ANY OTHER ENGLISH TRANSLATION VERSION either.

However, I like BOTH of """ THE SCRIPTURES """, and the """ WORD OF YAHWEH """( That I received a free copy of yesterday as a gift.) translation, as they both strive to retain the correct transliteration of the original words of scriptures.

However, in scriptural fact as we have shown and is written and proves that IF and WHEN you call on idol title/ names of other than YAHWEH, you are in fact calling on demons and worshipping the beast kingdom and satan the devil( 1 Cor.10:20-21; Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) through satan's deception( Rev.12:9), and are not calling on and worshipping YAHWEH as scriptures plainly say to do.

All I can do is warn people of this going on today( and I do not condemn others either)as it is plainly written, however, I cannot make people accept it, and it takes YAH'S true spirit to open their minds to realize this deception in THE LATTER DAYS.

Yah bless,

Elyahc = Eljah C.

You wrote:

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Which came first is always your way out. As I wrote last night on another thread the thought that if GOD was so repulsive to Yahueh then I do not believe he would have tolerated that name on a son of Yacob or on the tribe, or by putting it on the New Yahrushaliem. I don't think it matter how a sound originated or how it is used by us as humans, but what does Yahueh reveal in His word about how He feels about the sound "GAWD"!

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I reply: What do you mean by saying, "Which came first is always my way out"?? Are you saying we shouldn't worry about the original meaning of the name/title "God"? I get the impression you're promoting the mentality of, "How 'God' originated isn't important, it's what it means to me today that matters!"

As for your reasoning that if "GOD" were so repulsive to Yahueh, then you do not believe He would have tolerated that name on a son of Yacob or by putting it on the New Yerushalem, ... I have already responded to this reasoning of yours twice now. Instead of demonstrating that my reasoning is faulty, though, you simply re-post the same thoughts over and over again, as if re-posting them adds more weight to them. I would ask that instead of repeating the same verbiage over and over, please just demonstrate that my answer to your verbiage is flawed. Thus far, you haven't even addressed my answer.

If the reasoning you offer here were valid, Yahweh would not have tolerated any parent naming his or her child after a heathen idol. The apostle named Apollos, for example, would certainly have had to have changed his name to something different. As it is, his name will most likely appear in the Book of Life. So will the believer named Hermes. Leah could just as well have named Zilpah's son Hermes, for all the difference it makes. The bottom line is, she named Jacob's son after a local idol that was certainly worshipped in Haran. Had she named that son Hermes or Apollos, there would have been no difference. Each are names traced to the names of heathen idols. Yahweh does not send down lightning bolts when parents name their children after heathen idols.

You can also call the Almighty whatever name you wish or attach to Him any title that suits your fancy, David. No lighting bolts will zap you. However, there are no approved Scriptural examples of anyone ever referring to Yahweh with a title originally attributed to the name of a heathen idol. Even Silvio Soto, one of the authors of the study you cherish so highly ("The Truth Regarding Inspired Titles"), wrote the following regarding Gad:

"Is Gad the name of a false deity? YES. Is it a Hebrew word with negative connotations? YES! Is it a word with a pagan application recognized in Scriptures? YES and YES, again!"

In response to Mr. Soto's "negative admission," I wrote, "*GOD* is used in a NEGATIVE sense in Scripture, and you admit it. Despite whatever positive connotations that you attempt to confer on this name/title, no one can deny the NEGATIVE: The name of the idol condemned by Yahweh as being worshipped by 'those who FORSAKE Yahweh' (Is. 65:11). June and I have maintained all along that Yahweh is worthy of our UTMOST REVERENCE, PRAISE and WORSHIP. In light of such awesome majesty and the respect due Him, why would we want to assign a title to Yahweh that we KNOW is the name of a heathen idol (a negative aspect), ... much less the name of a heathen idol singled out and condemned by Yahweh Himself??!!" Yes, David, why refer to Yahweh with a term containing any negative properties? Doesn't that make it unclean?

You concluded your comment above by stating that what matters most is what Yahueh reveals in His word about how He feels about the sound "GAWD." I agree, David. In Isaiah 65:11, Yahweh condemns the worship of an idol whose name is vocalized with the sound "GAWD." I believe that sums up how He feels about "GOD."

This will be all for now. Take care and may Yahweh bless!

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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You wrote and said,"""""Which came first is always your way out. As I wrote last night on another thread the thought that if GOD was so repulsive to Yahueh then I do not believe he would have tolerated that name on a son of Yacob or on the tribe, or by putting it on the New Yahrushaliem. I don't think it matter how a sound originated or how it is used by us as humans, but what does Yahueh reveal in His word about how He feels about the sound "GAWD"!"""""
Unquote.

Why do you seem to ignore Mine and Larry's statements, and also it seems you will not answer our simple questions asked of you?

Larry quoted my reply answer to your question asked earlier with...."""I might also add that Elyahc made an excellent point in a posting he submitted the other day: God is the name of a MAN, one of the twelve tribes of Israel; however, it will not be inscribed on one of the twelve gates as a TITLE for the Creator Yahweh. You would do well to remember that point he made, for it is very true.""" Unquote of Larry.

This title/ name is given exclusively of a BABYLONIAN DEITY , This title name of GOD is the same in pronounciation and sound( notice vowel pointing of dg ) of "" Strongs 1408=GAD=variation of 1409( which has the same sound and pronounciation as 1409), which comes from Strongs 1464= GUWD, and akin to the root of 1413, which by the way goes back to "" CUT SELVES "" during Elijah the Prophets time when the "" BAAL/ LORD "" prophets " CUT THEMSELVES ""( 1 Kings 18:28).

1408,a variation of (01409)PROPER NAME Masculine Definition
Gad = "god of fortune" a Babylonian deity .

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/OldTestamentHebrew/heb.cgi?number=01408&version=kjv

Also 1409 has the same sound and pronounciation as 1408,ie-from (01464) (in the sense of distributing)Noun Masculine Definition
fortune, good fortune.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=1409&version=kjv

Also 1464 of GUwD , a primitive root [akin to (01413)],ie-to invade, attack
(Qal) to attack ,which is recognized in the Swedish and Danish title of " GUD".

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=1464&version=kjv

Also 1413,a primitive root [compare (01464)], ie- Definition
to penetrate, cut, attack, invade
(Qal) to penetrate, cut into (Hithpoel)to cut oneself( Notice 1 Kings 18:28)
to gather in troops or crowds King James Word Usage - Total: 8
cut 5, gather together 1, assemble by troop 1, gather 1

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=1413&version=kjv

And besides that, it is of pagan origin adopted as the NAME OF THE SUPREME BEING, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE UPON CONVERSION OF THE TEUTONIC( ie- Germans, ie Assryians) RACES TO CHRISTIANITY.

Isn't ironic that from this article BELOW that the Swedish and Danish peoples use " GUD " as a title without the letter' w 'which is silent, and that Strongs H.number 1464 uses "" GUwD "", from which all 1408,1409 are all related ?

GOD, the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship. It is thus, like the Gr. Oe6s and Lat. dens, applied to all those superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies who exercise power over nature and man and are often identified with some particular sphere of activity; and also to the visible material objects, whether an image of the supernatural being or a tree, pillar, &c. used as a symbol, an idol.

The word god, on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity, was adopted as the name of the one Supreme Being, the Creator of the universe, and of the Persons of the Trinity.

The New English Dictionary points cut that whereas the old Teutonic type of the word is neuter, corresponding to the Latin numen, in the Christian applications it becomes masculine, and that even where the earlier neuter form is still kept, as in Gothic and Old Norwegian, the construction is masculine. Popular etymology has connected the word with good ; this is exemplified by the corruption of God be with you into good-bye.

God is a word common to all Teutonic languages. In Gothic it is Guth; Dutch has the same form as English; Danish and Swedish have Gud, German Gott. According to the New English Dictionary, the original may be found in two Aryan roots, both of the form gheu, one of which means to invoke, the other to pour (ci. Gr. x~av); the last is used of sacrificial offerings.

The word would thus mean the object either of religious invocation or of religious worship by sacrifice. It has been also suggested that the word might mean a molten image from the sense of pour. Unquote of Article.

http://88.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GO/GOD.htm

This title name of "GOD " is connected in the SANSKRIT language of pouring molten images of idols and even of " Jupiter "

Now you said,"""I do not believe he would have tolerated that name on a son of Yacob or on the tribe, or by putting it on the New Yahrushaliem.""" Unquote of you David.

You seem to either be fooled or you purposely do not or cannot recognize, that a NAME or TITLE that is applied to a " MAN ", is not the same as applying or substituting that TITLE/ NAME for the Creator YAHWEH.

"""''God ''is the name of a MAN, one of the twelve tribes of Israel; however, it will not be inscribed on one of the twelve gates in the New Jerusalem as a TITLE for the Creator Yahweh."""

A fact you will be forced later to admit.

I believe that the origin of a particular word or practice should be intensely considered before determining whether or not one will participate in either. As with the case of "God" the origin of the word should take precedence over how people generally look at or use it in the 21st century.

If we say that a word's origin is meaningless, we can also say (by the same logic) that the origin of "Christmas" is meaningless too, as many people today do. "To me, it's not paganism, I'm celebrating the birth of Christ." This is one of the most common responses I receieve when witnessing to people about the pagan origin of the holiday. They do not even deny it's pagan association, but rather opt for saying that there has been enough time (I guess) from it's original inception to adequately disassociate it from it's heathen practices. I, for one, do not agree with this reasoning.

Yahweh tells us not to worship Him the way the heathens do (Deut. 12:29-30), and to learn not the way of the heathen (Jer. 10:1-2). As Larry has stated, there is a big difference between applying an originally pure title or name to Yahweh, as opposed to applying an originally tainted title or name to Yahweh. I think this is a crux in the discussion.

"However, in scriptural fact as we have shown and is written and proves that IF and WHEN you call on idol title/ names of other than YAHWEH, you are in fact calling on demons and worshipping the beast kingdom and satan the devil( 1 Cor.10:20-21; Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) through satan's deception( Rev.12:9), and are not calling on and worshipping YAHWEH as scriptures plainly say to do."

I call heaven and earth to witness against you in this matter Eliyahc! You are teaching false doctrine making your erroneous interpretaion of the Word of Yahueh and promoting traditions of men as truth. I never have and never will be praying to demons and devils by calling Yahueh my God, or Yahushua my Lord. I am not calling on the names of pagan deities no matter what the intentions of those that used these titles to replace the name of Yahueh and Yahushua in the translations of men.

You have made false allegations and acussations and unless you repent you will answer to Yahueh through and by Yahushua the Messiah on judgement day. I dust off my clothing as a witness against you and ask that you be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that your soul might be saved in the name of Yahushua the Messiah our Soveriegn and Saviour! I will not respond to any more of your inflamitory and false accusations or post until you recant this position that all which use Lord and God as titles for Yahueh and Yahushua are praying to demons and devils!

May you have no shalom until you repent!

Darrell K Whitfield

Larry,

"How 'God' originated isn't important, it's what it means to me today that matters!"

Yes this is exactly my point!

Larry "If the reasoning you offer here were valid, Yahweh would not have tolerated any parent naming his or her child after a heathen idol. The apostle named Apollos, for example, would certainly have had to have changed his name to something different. As it is, his name will most likely appear in the Book of Life. So will the believer named Hermes. Leah could just as well have named Zilpah's son Hermes, for all the difference it makes. The bottom line is, she named Jacob's son after a local idol that was certainly worshipped in Haran. Had she named that son Hermes or Apollos, there would have been no difference. Each are names traced to the names of heathen idols. Yahweh does not send down lightning bolts when parents name their children after heathen idols. "

1)I am not "naming" anyone. I am using a title or if you please a generic term. 2)Leah was a believer in Yahueh and since ancestor worship was common in this part of the world. She very likely did not worship God but admired the person named God that was a famous personage or possible ancestor. The idolatry of the Chaldeans was based on ancestor worship as I pointed out. There is no way with your one witness sources because paper will not refuse ink to prove otherwise.

Silvio Soto and I may not agree on everything. God is used in both positive and negative ways in Scripture. God means a troop and the tribe of God was a warior tribe. It is not an exclusively negative term.

Shalom,

Isn't ironic that from this article BELOW that the Swedish and Danish peoples use " GUD " as a title without the letter' w 'which is silent, and that Strongs H.number 1464 uses "" GUwD "", from which all 1408,1409 are all related ?

GOD, the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship. It is thus, like the Gr. Oe6s and Lat. dens, applied to all those superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies who exercise power over nature and man and are often identified with some particular sphere of activity; and also to the visible material objects, whether an image of the supernatural being or a tree, pillar, &c. used as a symbol, an idol.

The word god, on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity, was adopted as the name of the one Supreme Being, the Creator of the universe, and of the Persons of the Trinity.

The New English Dictionary points cut that whereas the old Teutonic type of the word is neuter, corresponding to the Latin numen, in the Christian applications it becomes masculine, and that even where the earlier neuter form is still kept, as in Gothic and Old Norwegian, the construction is masculine. Popular etymology has connected the word with good ; this is exemplified by the corruption of God be with you into good-bye.

God is a word common to all Teutonic languages. In Gothic it is Guth; Dutch has the same form as English; Danish and Swedish have Gud, German Gott. According to the New English Dictionary, the original may be found in two Aryan roots, both of the form gheu, one of which means to invoke, the other to pour (ci. Gr. x~av); the last is used of sacrificial offerings.

The word would thus mean the object either of religious invocation or of religious worship by sacrifice. It has been also suggested that the word might mean a molten image from the sense of pour. Unquote of Article.

http://88.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GO/GOD.htm

This title name of "GOD " is connected in the SANSKRIT language of pouring molten images of idols and even of " Jupiter "

Now you said,"""I do not believe he would have tolerated that name on a son of Yacob or on the tribe, or by putting it on the New Yahrushaliem.""" Unquote of you David.

You seem to either be fooled or you purposely do not or cannot recognize, that a NAME or TITLE that is applied to a " MAN ", is not the same as applying or substituting that TITLE/ NAME for the Creator YAHWEH.

"""''God ''is the name of a MAN, one of the twelve tribes of Israel; however, it will not be inscribed on one of the twelve gates in the New Jerusalem as a TITLE for the Creator Yahweh."""

David ben Yacob responds:

There is a big difference Matthew. Christmas means the sacrifice of Christ. The birth of the Sun is never going to be the birth of the Messiah Yahushua who is the true Christ.

I do not believe the term God originated as the name of an idol and have ask those which make such allegations and assertions to prove what they believe with two or three clear uncluody witnesses.

As I pointed out the term God means troops and since ancestor worship was the first form of idolatry most likely was a famous general or military leader of troops taken from the meaning of the term. Yahueh is called Yahueh sabaoth which is Yahueh of armies. God means troops and very likely is an honourable leader of troops that defended the people in Leah's home town of Haran.(Is it his fault they choose to make photos of him in stone and worship them most likely after his death? Can we say absolutely that Leah worshiped these stone photos?) It is a positive term in that it was the name most likely of a famous person Leah named her son after, or could have just been the meaning of the term in her fight with Rachel to have more children to gain her husband's attentions and love. It is used in a positive sence of the tribe of God fighting for Israel. It is used positively as the name of one of the tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:5.

It is mentioned negatively once by the prophet Isaiah.

Not even when Yahushua took the land of Israel did they think of this term as negative causing me to question whether it was even the name of an idol at this time since it could be translated "Husband Troop". Ba'al is used as a title meaning "husband" throughout Scripture and is important in identifying Nimrod from it's use in ancestor worship of idols. Nimrod was the husband of his own mother who had conceived him with Kush. He is the ba'al or husband consort of his mother called Astoroth in the Scriptures commonly refered to as Semiramis in historical writings.

So it can be hypothesized in a ostly positive or andmuch lessor negative way. I choose to use it in a positive way in the majority of cases as the Scriptures do. It can not be proven the towns in Israel that Yahushua conquered were nothing more than named after some husband who fought bravely as a troop or as the leader of troops much as I believe God is also used by Leah in naming her son.

With regard to your needless attack on Elyahc, you may as well do the same thing to me, for I essentially agree with what he wrote ... and nowhere do I read that he ever condemned you. He simply believes that when you culturally redefine a heathen idol's name into a title for Yahweh, you not only dishonor Yahweh, but you may also be calling upon demons. I'm not saying this is what you are deliberately doing, but you are certainly giving honor to that idol's name by the sheer fact that you like it well enough to use it as Yahweh's title instead of something that cannot be traced to the name of a heathen idol. This issue is all about choices, and you clearly choose the name of an idol as a "perfectly acceptable" title for Yahweh.

By giving honor to an idol's namesake, honor to Yahweh is minimized. It's that simple. You are on record as having no problem with referring to Yahweh, not only as your "God," but also as your Zeus, Apollo and Dios, all of which are names of idols specifically mentioned in the Bible. I believe this is a grave dishonor to Yahweh and a spiritual slap in His face. I really cannot think of a nice way to sum up the way I feel about the way you worship Yahweh. It certainly lacks Scriptural support, as there is no record of anyone in Scripture ever referring to the Almighty with a title that can be traced to the name of a heathen idol.

I had written: "I get the impression you're promoting the mentality of, "How 'God' originated isn't important, it's what it means to me today that matters!"

To which you replied:

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Yes this is exactly my point!

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I reply: Yes, I understand this is your point, and this is one of the areas in which we disagree. You are willing to settle for a name that has been culturally redefined as a title. Others of us here only recognize the definition given by Yahweh: A heathen idol whose worship He condemns. I could just as easily culturally redefine "Satan" as a title meaning "friend," and based upon your reasoning call you my "satan." Would you appreciate that?

You wrote:

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1)I am not "naming" anyone. I am using a title or if you please a generic term.

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I reply: I think you missed my point here, for I wasn't trying to imply you are "naming anyone." I will try to rephrase things in the hope that you will better understand my point.

a) An idol named "God" was worshipped in Haran. This is a fact, not some "claim."

b) Leah named Zilpah's son "God." Sound logic dictates that she did so as a result of her heathen upbringing, in consequence to giving praise to the idol of fortune. She also gave another of Zilpah's sons the name "Asher," which some scholars believe was related to Asherah worship.

c) Other men were given names of heathen idols, too, such as Apollos and Hermes, and these two men are recorded in Scripture as being among the faithful, in spite of the heathen idols they were named after. There was never a directive for these men to change their names in consequence to having been named after a heathen idol. These same men, having heathen idol names, will have their names written in the Book of Life. This fact can in no way be used as logic supporting culturally redefining any of those names as "honorable titles" for Yahweh. I realize you disagree, and that is fine ... I suppose ... although I continue to maintain that you dishonor Yahweh. What you consider a "generic term" is presented as a name by Yahweh in His Word. I choose to go by Yahweh's designation, not what some man considers valid.

You also wrote:

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2)Leah was a believer in Yahueh and since ancestor worship was common in this part of the world. She very likely did not worship God but admired the person named God that was a famous personage or possible ancestor. The idolatry of the Chaldeans was based on ancestor worship as I pointed out. There is no way with your one witness sources because paper will not refuse ink to prove otherwise.

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I reply: Now you are speculating that Leah "likely did nto worship God." The evidence supports believing otherwise. As for my "one witness," it is actually several witnesses, which includes archaeological evidence. You are elevating your speculation above archaeological evidence. Furthermore, you outright reject and refuse to recognize even the possibility that Leah might have worshipped an idol named "God," even though it is plain that her father was an idol worshipper.

You concluded:

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Silvio Soto and I may not agree on everything. God is used in both positive and negative ways in Scripture. God means a troop and the tribe of God was a warior tribe. It is not an exclusively negative term.

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I reply: Well, apparently both you and Mr. Soto agree that "God" is used in a negative manner in Scripture. I would certainly accept Yahweh's personal assessment as being primary, but you obviously choose to go with a "modern definition." That is your choice, of course, and I believe it is the wrong choice to make.

Since you agree with Mr. Soto that "God" is used in "negative ways" in Scripture, I guess I should tell you the same thing I told him. Here goes:

GOD is used in a NEGATIVE sense in Scripture, and you admit it. Despite whatever positive connotations that you attempt to confer on this name/title, no one can deny the NEGATIVE: The name of the idol condemned by Yahweh as being worshipped by 'those who FORSAKE Yahweh' (Is. 65:11). June and I have maintained all along that Yahweh is worthy of our UTMOST REVERENCE, PRAISE and WORSHIP. In light of such awesome majesty and the respect due Him, why would we want to assign a title to Yahweh that we KNOW is the name of a heathen idol (a negative aspect), ... much less the name of a heathen idol singled out and condemned by Yahweh Himself??!!" Yes, David, why refer to Yahweh with a term containing any negative properties? Doesn't that make it unclean?

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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You said "a title that can be traced to the name of a heathen idol".

Can you please give a detailed step-by-step explanation tracing how GAD was communicated from the Syrian culture all the way to the English?

In your explanation, can you also include when, where, and why the meaning changed from "fortune" to "one that is worshiped, idealized, or followed" ?

Thank you for your question, but I believe most rational people would agree that you are being unreasonable. I have already told David ben Yacob that the only reason I am not 100% certain of my position is because I cannot take anyone on a literal journey through time and space to show each step of the process which brought the worship of the Canaanite idol to our present-day culture. I believe you are asking me to do so anyway.

I'll tell you what: Why don't you just answer the questions I've posed to David? You can start with the ones I asked (actually re-asked) him last night.

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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4I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Yisra'el:

7:5Of the tribe of Yehudah were sealed twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Re'uven twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,

7:6Of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Naftali twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Menashsheh twelve thousand,

7:7Of the tribe of Shim`on twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Yissakhar twelve thousand,

7:8Of the tribe of Zevulun twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Yosef twelve thousand,

Of the tribe of Binyamin were sealed twelve thousand.