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In this whole thread I have never said that "God" was or was not an acceptable title for YHWH. My only issue is that I do not think that Jacob would make a word play on his name if it were.

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I reply: You have me confused here. You do not think Jacob would make a word play on his name if it were what? An "acceptable title"? So you're saying you do not believe Jacob would make a word play on the name God if it were an acceptable title? If this is what you believe ... and since you have expressed that you believe Jacob did make a word play on the name God, this seems like you're saying you agree that it is not an acceptable title for YHWH.

While I agree with your apparent conclusion, I'm not sure I follow your method here.

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That word play showed that his destiny was the same as Leah spoke about when she gave him that name. Unless the heathen deity Gawd is in the habit of accurately portraying a child's future, I have to still conclude that YHWH gave Leah the utterance, "a troop cometh."

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I reply: Apparently the Hebrew scholars who translated the Septuagint were not in agreement with you. According to the text of Genesis 30:11 in the Septuagint, Leah simply said, "Happily" when God was born. No mention of any "troop cometh." Actually, upon examination of the Greek text of the Septuagint, we read that, according to the translator's understanding, Leah uttered a phrase meaning "with good fortune." The Greek translation of the Hebrew reads en tuch, which literally means "With Tyche." Tyche is well attested to as the Greek equivalent of the idol of fortune. Adam Clarke, in his Commentary on the Holy Bible, addresses this understanding (see below). Again, the Hebrew translator who translated the Septuagint into Greek around 283 B.C.E. did not understand the Hebrew text as so much as implying "a troop cometh." This is clearly some subsequent translator's attempt to embellish the meaning, and possibly the origin, of the name God. Thus, not only did YHWH NOT inspire Leah's words in Genesis 30:11, she most certainly did not say anything akin to "a troop cometh."

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It goes without saying that Gawd has negative cannotations as well. Just not in this case. So do El and Adonai, just not when they are used for YHWH.

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I reply: The difference is, both "El" and "Adonai" are traced as being pure titles originally ascribed to Yahweh, presumably by Yahweh Himself. As man digressed from pure worship to impure worship, those originally pure titles were corrupted ... by men. With the title "God," this was never a title in the first place, and there is scholarly and Scriptural support leading me to believe that, indeed, its origin was the name of a heathen idol worshipped by Leah and her family in her home town of Haran. Do you see the difference, Shlomoh? There can be no doubt as to the origin of "El" and "Adonai," unless one believes the Scriptures handed down to us are corrupted with the additon of those titles. If this is the case, the ones making this claim simply have to produce the "originally original" titles for YHWH. So "El" and "Adonai" are pure titles that man has attempted to corrupt. "God" was corrupt from the start, and Yahweh even condemns the worship of the idol by this name, but man has tried to "dis-corrupt" it.

I don't believe those who attempt to "dis-corrupt" God see the situational irony aroused by the remark, "Yes, Yahweh condemns the worship of God, but He is my God!" They seemingly make this remark without batting an eye, not aware of the obvious irony.

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As for Keil and Delitzsch, they were just as much armchair quarterbacks as we are.

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I reply: No, this is very much different. While I'm certainly not about to claim that I agree with Keil and Delitzsch on every matter, neither am I about to put myself on the same level as them. First of all, Keil and Delitzsch are widely attested as having been "eminent scholars." You don't have to take my word for this, just do a Google search on C. F. Keil, who authored the quote I cited earlier. He is regarded as an eminent Hebrew scholar. This eminent Hebrew scholar, to whom I'm afraid I must give a little more weight than either you or myself when it comes to the interpretation of a controversial text, agrees that Leah did not name Zilpah's son "under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit." I might also point out that C. F. Keil came up with this understanding of Genesis 30:11 in spite of the fact that he certainly referred to the Almighty as "God."

Nearly all the commentaries I have reviewed fail to offer any support for the belief that Leah named Zilpah's son "under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit." Since the authors of these commentaries refer to the Almighty as "God," they had every motivation to offer support for the view you uphold. However, in nearly every case, they do not. Some don't even offer a comment on Genesis 30:11. Other resources, such as The Anchor Bible Dictionary, state:

The etymology of the name "Gad" is not clear. Although some suggest a derivation from the root gdd, "to cut off," most scholars follow the pun of Genesis 30: "Gad" = "(good) fortune."

According to this resource, most scholars believe "God" means "good fortune," not "a troop cometh."

Other scholars, such as Adam Clarke, rightly point out that the word "cometh" doesn't even appear in Genesis 30:11. Here is Clarke's Commentary on Gen. 30:11:

Verse 11. She called his name Gad.
This has been variously translated. gad, may signify a troop, an army, a soldier, a false god, supposed to be the same as Jupiter or Mars; for as Laban appears to have been, if not an idolater, yet a dealer in a sort of judicial astrology, (see Genesis 31:19), Leah, in saying bagad, which we translate a troop cometh, might mean, By or with the assistance of Gad-a particular planet or star, Jupiter possibly, I have gotten this son; therefore she called him after the name of that planet or star from which she supposed the succour came. See Clarke on Genesis 31:19. The Septuagint translate it en tuch, with good fortune; the Vulgate, feliciter, happily; but in all this diversity our own translation may appear as probable as any, if not the genuine one, ba gad, for the keri, or marginal reading, has it in two words, a troop cometh; whereas the textual reading has it only in one, bagad, with a troop. In the Bible published by Becke, 1549, the word is translated as an exclamation, Good luck!

You can read the full commentary by accessing the following URL:
http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=030

As Adam Clarke points out in the above commentary, the word "cometh" doesn't even appear in the Hebrew text. Indeed, according to the Hebrew text as found in The Interlinear Bible, the correct English translation is "With fortune." Where is the word "cometh," Shlomoh? Clarke also concedes that Leah may very well have named Zilpah's son after an idol, something that the oppostion here is not willing to do, presumably because it would have a negative impact on their belief.

The scholarly resources I have consulted are pretty much in agreement that Leah's naming Zilpah's son God was not a "prophetic utterance." Thus, even if I were to somehow lean towards the understanding that you have, I would certainly have to simultaneously question it. I realize there are undoubtedly scholars out there who agree with your position, such as The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible. John Gill, like you, seems to believe the word "cometh" belongs in the Hebrew text, even though it isn't there. You can read his commentary by accessing the following link:

http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=030&verse=011

I hope this helps.

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

"...the love of money is the root of ALL evil..." even the evil of blaspheming the Fathers name!

Can you imagine what some people would loose if they decided to accept the truth that God is a blasphemous term to use when trying to call on the Father. Many use the religious realm as a means to create income. If they no longer agree with the masses how are they to sell books, speak on tour, counsel, minister to the needy etc...

No books will sell in mass production or large congregations meet with 'tithes' and 'offerings' that honour and respect the name of Yahweh. Scripture emphatically declares this to be so and especially in our times. No novels with Yahweh replacing God will ever sell in this world. People think your possesd when you say that name. They are utterly afraid of Him without even knowing Him or why they fear that name so much. They can put Yahweh on the shelf by claiming that He is Hebrew and "I speak english". They know the english creator of chaos and error - God/Lord.

It is for His names sake that we will be persecuted and outcast by men. With the current advent of the name of Yahweh coming to the forefront like no other time in history today (especially through the internet) watch for the sudden reversal of acceptance and intense denial. Today Yahweh's name is only accepted as the Hebrew version of the creator's name. But wait and watch for the onslaught by the religious communities with devious means of reverting back to God and never EVER again uttering those precious holy names Yahweh and Yahushua. And then turning their evil demise on those of us who hold fast to that sweet reality that He alone is Yahweh and not He and God. The persecution will be ruthless.....and for the cause of and in the name of God. Oh what a dreaded day awaits us. Who will hold fast to Yah?

When this happens then maybe some of you here will see that you are in error by going along with the lies of that old 'strong hold' "Babylon the Great".

Coming out of her starts with the name. This all starts with the name. The name signifies who He is and any other name does not refer to Him. Why take the chance of calling Him God/Lord? What is to gain by taking that chance? MONEY!!!!!!

That was going to be my next step was " The Commentaries ", however, you have already done so, Thanks.

As you said, even though they use " GOD " they do denote and admit the negative conotations to the word " GAD ", although some would deny or ignore this.

However, here BELOW is a Lexicon of Hebrew Number 1408, SCROLL DOWN AND READ the lexicon's possible connection of this word number 1408 to JUPITER, 1409, 1464, and 1413 specifically mentioned in ( Isa.65:11)and is all connected, and the prim. root of 1413 refers you back to 1464.

1408,== http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1137670685-9249.html

1409,== http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1137671676-1177.html

1464,== http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1137671880-5368.html

1413,== http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1137671949-3363.html

No, this is NOT the best title/ name to refer or try to HONOR YAHWEH the Father with such.

If the address codes above become outdated, you can still access these by going to http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html
and TYPE in the word " Gad " in the Hebrew Condensed Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon OR Thayer's Greek Lexicon.

Also, SCROLL DOWN TO READ at address below for " Gad-2 "Gad2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gd)
interj.
Used to express surprise or dismay.

[Alteration of God.]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=*&q=Gad

Also, Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results of search for "Gad":.

1171 Ba`al Gad bah'-al gawd from 1168 and 1409; Baal of Fortune; Baal-Gad, a place in Syria:--Baal-gad

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=hebrewlexicon&isindex=Gad

Also, Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results of 1168 Ba`al bah'-al the same as 1167; Baal, a Phoenician deity:--Baal, (plural) Baalim

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=hebrewlexicon&isindex=1168

Also, SCROLL DOWN AND READ....

"""The hypothesis that there was a common Semitic sun-god named Ba‘al fell from favor in the 19th century as new archaelogical evidence indicated multiple gods bearing the title Ba‘al and little about them that connected them to the sun. A certain exasperation on that matter appears even in 1899 in the Encyclop¿dia Biblica article Baal by W. Robertson Smith and George F. Moore:
That Baal was primarily a sun-god was for a long time almost a dogma among scholars and is still often repeated. This doctrine is connected with theories of the origin of religion which are now almost universally abandoned. The worship of the heavenly bodies is not the beginning of religion.

Moreover, there was not, as this theory assumes, one god Baal, worshipped under different forms and names by the Semitic peoples, but a multitude of local Baals, each the inhabitant of his own place, the protector and benefactor of those who worshipped him there. Even in the astro-theology of the Babylonians the star of Bçl was not the sun : IT WAS THE PLANET JUPITER. There is no intimation in the OT that any of the Canaanite Baals were sun-gods, or that the worship of the sun (Shemesh), of which we have ample evidence, both early and late, was connected with that of the Baals ; in 2 K. 235 cp 11 the cults are treated as distinct."""

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Baal

There is no doubt about " BAAL GAWD " being connected to JUPITER( c.f. Acts 14:12-13).

I don't know about others, and cannot speak for them, however, I don't think such a title/name that connects to JUPITER-HONORS THE FATHER YAHWEH in the least no matter how much a modern world or age culturally re-defines the meanings and definitions of words to make them acceptable in their own minds to HONOR the true Creator YAHWEH( See Prov.16:25)!!

Yahweh bless,

Elyahc= Eljah C.

I must agree whole heartedly, you said the straight truth in that post!!

Elyahc= Eljah C.

"""""When this happens then maybe some of you here will see that you are in error by going along with the lies of that old 'strong hold' "Babylon the Great".

Coming out of her starts with the name. This all starts with the name. The name signifies who He is and any other name does not refer to Him.""}"" Unquote.

Many may not have realized this, however, AFTER the sealing of the 144,000 in ( Rev.7:3-8), and we KNOW that this referring to being sealed with the FATHERS NAME( YHWH=YAH-- not titles)( Rev.14:1; Rev.22:3-4) through His spirit( Eph.1:13), but have many even noticed that...

"""After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"""( Rev.7:9)?

Well how else can they COME OUT OF HER( Babylon)( Rev.18:4) unless the common people( See Shaul=Paul in Rom.9:13-14)KNOW HIS TRUE NAME?

This is exactly why I run many other religious forums to let people know the FATHER AND SON'S true Names, and yes, I hear the same argument, that these " NAMES" is " Hebrew ", but they speak english.

However, I point out, that these TRUE NAMES are "" The Correct English TRANSLITERATIONS from the Hebrew, however, they are still " English Transliterations ",not the Hebrew language.

I very well know that many across the net hate me literally because I point out their true Names to the common people, and they would kill me, if they thought they could get their hands on me, I've been banned from several forums merely for pointing out their true Names, however, some of those forums were shut down too( But I had nothing to do with it), and many literally hate their TRUE NAMES.

Yes Mesobaite, most so called ministers want to hang on to their MONEY, however, the common people are being told their true names across the net, and that I assure you, and yes I too have heard every argument that man can come up with to DENY the ONLY NAME OF YAHWEH!

Oh, how true You are my Brother,

Yah bless You,

Elyahc=Eljah C.

Isn't it amazing how we come to these truths from different angles and on different levels of understanding? You seem to have 'been at war'; while me on the other hand, I just receive whatever Yahweh sends my way with enthusiasm and glee. No scholarly input, no formal training, no recognizable study. Just an open heart to His truths. And a fierce hatred for the deceipt and lies of this world and its systems.

I don't speak Hebrew, I don't attend any Hebrew/Jewish assemblies, I have no earthly minister in authority over me (at least not at this time), I go to no physical assembly of people. Yet I am able to understand what Yahweh reveals to me and accept it whole heartedly.

When my family and friends ask me "...where do you come up with this stuff?" I just reply "...the Father has revealed it to me and I accept His truths...". The next response is usually a challenge of some sort of my sources. I would say "...I attend a forum on the internet..." and that is usually enough to get them to disregard everything else that I've said. 'Because the internet is the wrong place to receive any information...nothing can really be counted on as true that comes from the net.'

I say, nothing can be counted on as true that comes from "Babylon the Great". Like their bible, their Strong's concordance and many other references they hold on to as holy and most of all the name of their elohim - God/the Lord.

"I say, nothing can be counted on as true that comes from "Babylon the Great". Like their bible, their Strong's concordance and many other references they hold on to as holy and most of all the name of their elohim - God/the Lord."

I am shocked at people that say such things as Babylon is a mixture of truth with error. It is our job after the Apostacy we all are influenced by to sort it all out. The movement I came out of the Apostolic Pentecostal always taught that "Lord" and "God" were titles as were "the Father, Son,and Holy Ghost" which were not acceptable for water baptism. I know of no denomination that would say that these were not titles. You are hard pressed to prove they are something besides titles in the English mongrelized language by looking in a dictionary in spite of what some people who don't care very deeply or are uneducated might think that they are names..

The independent assembly I grew up in had a lot of truth like Sunday is not the sabbath, we should not observe the holy days of the Roman Catholic Church, that the Trinity was a false teaching, we should be baptized in the name of the Saviour, we are to seek and be filled with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, and living a holy life is a requirement to make it into everlasting life etc...

I said nothing can be 'counted on as truth' and not that nothing is true in their sources. I am saying you cannot rely on their sources yet they insist that you can. They further insist that any other source other than the sources they recommend is heathen.

I had a potential client the other day ask me if I was christian or heathen. I replied - "neither". And by the look on her face I knew I had lost her confidence and business. Suppose I had elaborated david? Do you have any idea what she would say? Nothing. If I had told her that I am a member of no religion and a follower of Yahweh she would probably have considered me more than heathen but also insane. How can I then go to this womans church on Sunday and sing to the God of her bible and faith after she has blasphemed my Father and His truths. Suffice to say I lost that clients interest; and you know what david I really don't care. If they cannot accept the fact that I am in business to support my family and not their beliefs then I don't need to do business with them.

I'm saying david, there will soon come the day when one will be oustricized for believing and proclaiming that there is no other name under heaven and earth by which men can be saved except Yahushua. And in this day if I don't submit to their God/Lord then I will be without their business and probably on the 'run'.

I am quite familiar with the Apostolic Penticostal denominations and its variations. They believe in Dualism: as in the Father and the Son are the only two figures in the 'godhead' and that the Holy Ghost is the life line of them both. I used to go to a church like that and I NEVER, I repeat NEVER once, heard the pastor or any other speaker mention the name of Yahweh or Yahushua for that matter. It just doesn't 'bring in the doe' david.

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""""""And Yah bless you also, brother.
Isn't it amazing how we come to these truths from different angles and on different levels of understanding? You seem to have 'been at war'; while me on the other hand, I just receive whatever Yahweh sends my way with enthusiasm and glee. No scholarly input, no formal training, no recognizable study. Just an open heart to His truths. And a fierce hatred for the deceipt and lies of this world and its systems.

I don't speak Hebrew, I don't attend any Hebrew/Jewish assemblies, I have no earthly minister in authority over me (at least not at this time), I go to no physical assembly of people. Yet I am able to understand what Yahweh reveals to me and accept it whole heartedly.

When my family and friends ask me "...where do you come up with this stuff?" I just reply "...the Father has revealed it to me and I accept His truths...". The next response is usually a challenge of some sort of my sources. I would say "...I attend a forum on the internet..." and that is usually enough to get them to disregard everything else that I've said. 'Because the internet is the wrong place to receive any information...nothing can really be counted on as true that comes from the net.'

I say, nothing can be counted on as true that comes from "Babylon the Great". Like their bible, their Strong's concordance and many other references they hold on to as holy and most of all the name of their elohim - God/the Lord.""""" Unquote of Brother Mesobaite.

Well, you may be in for a kind of shock when I tell you this, that where I live here, I'm deep in the mountains, and I have no one to fellowship with either for at least 375 miles, I have NO following of people( do not desire any such either)and I have NEVER been to any congregation or Assembly either.

What I have learned for almost 24 years now, I learned because of an indepth study of the scriptures as I was young then about 23 years old when I lost my first born son, I blammed the Creator and the churches, as i was young and foolish back then, because I knew very little of the scriptures or the true Creator and Father YAH back then.

Well, I did prove this worlds churches in error, and even found seeming contradictions in the English translations of scriptures( however when original words of scripture is investigated it began to make more sence)which are absolutely full of errors and bias.

To make a long true happening short, I soon ran accross ( John 3:16), and here I was blaming the Creator for the death of my first born son( as I was young and foolish then when i look back), and the Father wilfully gave His ONLY SON that a then idiot like me might have everlasting life.

Now you talking about a rock hard heart being shattered to pieces, that was truely the beginning of my repentance, I learned from the scriptures what REPENTANCE( Acts 2:38) really meant, and what SIN really meant, which is transgression of THE LAW( Torah)( 1 John 3:4), and I soon learned the MORE I obeyed and lived by the truths of scriptures, the more I knowledge of scriptures I received, and I'm still on that trek today, when I find myself in error or lawlessness, I repent and correct myself to form with the living principles of those scriptures as they say and as Messiah His taught.ones did do.

I have studied about EVERY( Baptist, Methodist, E.T.C., you name it) religious denomination's doctrines and beliefs during this time as well, and now I see and know WHY, because everywhere i go on this machine to religious forums, I have been " at scriptural warfare" with such doctrines too.

However, in my quest and seeking the truth of scriptures, the ONE thing that APPALLED me and disgusted me the most, was finding out that THE FATHER'S TRUE NAME had been substituted for heathen connected deities almost 7,000 times!!

I've studied on the " GAD=GAWD=GOD " which is connected to ( Dan.4th beast kingdom, and John's 1st and second beast( Rev.13), which is ROME'S idol image deity of " JUPITER/ZEUS that is in fact just like the FATHER revealed through His Son to the Desciple John in ( Rev.13), and the instigators of the K.J.V. and other English translations have caused the common people to in fact and un-knowingly through deception( Rev.12:9) to worship that idol image and satan the devil( Rev.9:20; Rev.13:3-4; Rev.13:8) through the BABYLONIAN MOTHER AND HER HARLOTS( Rev.17) that teach " THE MAN OF SIN " or " THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS "( 2 Thess.2 ) doctrines, and teach the common people to DISOBEY YAHWEH'S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS, and to forget His NAME( Jer.23:20-27) in the latter days.

Any person that does NOT THE WILL OF THE FATHER( Matt.7;21)( Which is His Torah and Commandments)( There is plenty of evidence in both the Old and New Testaments that He wills for our obedience (Gen. 26:5, Lev. 26:3, Num. 15:39-40, Deut. 11:1, 11:13, 11:26-28, 13:4-18, 15:5, 26:17, 27:10, 28, 30:8-10, Joshua 22:5, 1 Sam. 12:14-15, 1 Kings 3:14, 8:61, 2 Kings 17:13, 2 Chron. 24:20, Neh. 1:5-9, Psalm 119:60, Dan. 9:4, John 14:21, John 15:10, Acts 17:30, 1 Cor. 7:19, 1 John 2:3, 3:22, 3:24, 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Rev. 3:2-3), which is also the LOVE OF YAH( 1 John 5:3), and those who say otherwise is a liar and the truth is not in him( 1 John 2:3-4), as this is the whole duty of man( Ecc.12:13) and most all these religious denominations teach against His Torah and Commandments, and either substitute His Name with an idol deity, or practice syncretisim, however, this does NOT mean that i'm accusing anyone personally, but the scriptures are clear on these matters concerning THE MYSTERY OF INQUITY( ie- lawlessness) that shall abound in the latter days.

If anyone has an ear to hear let him hear, however, I too am no minister, and do not claim to be anything, and i certainly do not have a following of people either, as i'm completely surrounded with the same as you described.

Yes, there will come a time that we will be hunted down and murdered and brought before their councils for HIS NAME, and those that do so will justify doing so in the GAWD title name, but he or she that shall endure untill the end of life or to the end of the age, the same shall be saved, as this is a promise from Messiah Himself.

Yah be with you,

Elyahc= Eljah C.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that I don't think Jacob would have made a word play on the name of his son if it had actually been derived from the name of an idol. But I can see we don't see eye to eye on this point, so I'll leave it alone, both of us having given our views on this point.

Good Shabbath,

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God (male deity)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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God, as a male deity, contrasts with female deities, or "goddesses". While the term 'goddess' specifically refers to a female deity, words like 'gods' and 'deities' can be applied to all gods collectively, regardless of gender. They don't necessarily refer to male gods in specific. This article focuses on the last category.

The most prominent trinity of Hinduism Trimurti (which can be seen as three aspects of the same God) is usually depicted as all male (Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu). In most polytheistic religions, both in history and in the present, male deities had the more prominent role. The Greek and Roman pantheon was ruled by Zeus or Jupiter, while Wodan had a similar role in the Germanic religion. When Egyptian religion developed closer to monotheism, it was Amun, a male god, who rose to the most prominent place.

War gods were, like the rulers of the pantheon, typically male, too; Ares/Mars and Toutatis are obvious examples. Wodan was both king of the gods and a god of war. Athena, a goddess also often associated with war and strategy, is a notable exception.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_%28male_deity%29

Then the connection of this word GODto the German Odin of the Germanic roots of this deity.

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Odin is considered the highest god in Norse mythology and Norse paganism. His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war. He is also attested as being a god of magic, poetry, victory, and the hunt.

His name is, in Old Norse, Óðinn. Although its precise meaning is debated, the name is thought to be related to the word óðr, meaning "excitation" or "fury".

Worship of Odin dates to Proto-Germanic paganism, and the names Old English (and Old Saxon) Wōden; Old Franconian Wodan; Alemannic Wuodan; German Wotan or Wothan; Lombardic Godan are synonymous with Odin, though they represent regional differences. The worship of Odin lasted longer in the north, and there his mythology continued to evolve. A result of this divergence is that not all the attributes of Norse Odin can be applied to the belief in this god in other regions and times. Odin probably rose to prominence during the Migration period, gradually displacing Tyr as the head of the pantheon in West and North Germanic cultures.

Etymology

The attested forms of the theonym are traditionally derived from Proto-Germanic *Wōđanaz[1] (in Old Norse word-initial *w- was dropped before rounded vowels and so the name became Ódinn). Adam von Bremen etymologizes the god worshipped by the 11th century Scandinavian pagans as "Wodan id est furor" ("Wodan, which means 'fury'"). An obsolete alternate etymology, which has been adhered to by many early writers including Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa in his Libri tres de occulta philosophia, is to give it the same root as the word god itself, from its Proto-Germanic form gud. This is not tenable today, except for the Lombardic name Godan, which may go back to *guđanaz (see also gothi, gaut, god).

Gothi
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[QUOTE] The term gothi (goði), in Norse mythology, refers to the person who administered the Blóts. However in modern Odinism and Ásatrú this is a priest, the female equivalent being gythja. Gothi take care of pastoral, administration and some spiritual requirements.

Odinism and Ásatrú holds, as in Protestantism, that no person can mediate between humans and the gods, so the role of the gothi differs in some major respects to the duties of a Catholic priest, for instance. A gothi is often selected based on practical aspects rather than spiritual, for instance having a strong voice so that everybody can hear him.

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Gautr, Gauti, Guti, Gothus and Geats are name forms based on the same Proto-Germanic root, *Guđ- (see god). Gapt is considered to be a corruption of Gaut (Gaut→Gavt→Gaft→Gapt, cf. eftir and eptir, "after" in Old Norse).

The names may represent the eponymous founder of an early tribe ancestral to the Gautar (Geats), Gutans (Goths) and Gutar (Gotlanders). Gaut was one of Odin's names and the name forms are thought to be echoes of an ancient ancestry tradition among Germanic tribes, such as that of Yngvi and the Ingaevones.

The names Geats, Goths and Gutar are closely related tribal names. Geat was originally Proto-Germanic *Gautoz and Goths and Gutar were *Gutaniz. According to Andersson (1996), *Gautoz and *Gutaniz are two ablaut grades of a Proto-Germanic word with the meaning "to pour" (modern Swedish gjuta, modern German giessen) designating the tribes as "pourers of semen" or "men".

Some versions of the English royal line of Wessex add names above that of Woden, purportedly giving Woden's ancestry, though the names are now usually thought be in fact another royal lineage that has been at some stage erroneously pasted onto the top of the standard genealogy. Some of these genealogies end in Geat, whom it is reasonable to think might be Gaut. The account in the Historia Britonum calls Geat a son of a god which fits. But Asser in his Life of Alfred writes instead that the pagans worshipped this Geat himself for a long time as a god. In Old Norse texts Gaut is itself a very common byname for ODIN.

Jordanes in The origin and deeds of the Goths traces the line of the Amelungs up to Hulmul son of Gapt, purportedly the first Gothic hero of record. This Gapt is felt by many commentators to be an error for Gaut or Gauti. Nennius reports that a Gothus was the ancestor of the Goths.

The Gutasaga, which treats the history of Gotland before its Christianization, begins with Tielvar and his son Havde, who had three sons, Graip, Guti and Gunfjaun, who were the ancestors of the Gotlanders, the Gutar (which is originally the same name as Goths).

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GOD-Etymology

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Earliest attestation of the Germanic word in the 6th century Codex Argenteus (Mt 5:9)The word God continues Old English/Germanic god (guþ, gudis in Gothic, gud in modern Scandinavian and Gott in modern German), from Proto-Germanic *ǥuđan. The original meaning and etymology of the Germanic word god has been hotly disputed, though most agree to a reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form *khutóm, which is the neuter passive perfect participle of the root *khu-, which likely meant "libation", "sacrifice". Compare:-

Vedic Sanskrit hu- = "to sacrifice".
Greek khu-, kheu- = "to pour".
Common Germanic strong verb *geutan (Anglo-Saxon gēotan) = "to pour", English in-'got'.
The connection between these meanings is likely via the meaning "pour a libation". Another possible meaning of *khutóm is "invocation", related to Sanskrit hūta.

The same root appears in the names of three related Germanic tribes, the Geats, the Goths and the Gutar. These names may be derived from an eponymous chieftain Gaut who was subsequently deified, who sometimes appears in early Medieval sagas as a name of Odin or one of his descendants, a former king of the Geats (Gaut(i)), an ancestor of the Gutar (Guti), of the Goths (Gothus) and of the royal line of Wessex (Geats) and as a previous hero of the Goths (Gapt). The Lombardic form of Odin, Godan, may derive from cognate Proto-Germanic *Guđánaz.

The word God was used to represent Greek Theos, Latin Deus in Bible translations, first in the Gothic translation of the New Testament by Ulfilas. For the etymology of deus, see *dyeus. Greek theos is possibly unrelated, and of uncertain origin. De Saussure tentatively connected Baltic and Germanic words for "spook", ultimately cognate with Latin fumus "smoke".

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Dyeus
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[QUOTE]Dyēus is the reconstructed chief god of the Proto-Indo-European pantheon. He was the god of the daylit sky, and his position may have mirrored the position of patriarch or king in society.

Later gods who are etymologically connected with Dyeus include

Greek Zeus,
Roman Jupiter (from Deus Pater),
Vedic Dyaus Pita,
Germanic Tiwaz (later known as Tyr),
Baltic Dievas,
Slavic Div,
Gaulish Dis Pater,
and probably Phrygian Sabazios (from Saba Zeus).

Also etymologically connected is the Latin word for 'god', deus, the word for the Christian God used by the Roman Catholic Church. The latin word is also continued in English divine, deity, and the original Germanic word remains visible in Tuesday (originally "Day of Tiwaz").

Dyeus was addressed as Dyeu Phter, literally "Sky Father" or "shining father", as reflected in Latin Jupiter, Greek Zeu pater, Sanskrit Dyau Pita. In his aspect as a Father God, his consort was Pltvi Mhter, "Earth Mother".

As the pantheons of the individual Indo-European mythologies evolved, attributes of Dyeus were sometimes redistributed to other, newer gods.

In Greek and Roman mythology, Dyeus remained the chief god, while in Vedic and Germanic mythology, the etymological continuants of Dyeus became pale, rather featureless gods, and his original attributes, and his dominance over other gods, were transferred to gods whose names cannot be reconstructed for Proto-Indo-European times, such as Odin, Thor or Indra.

See also: Proto-Indo-European religion

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So, as you can SEE the whole world universally worships the idol image of the Roman beast and satan the devil( Rev.13:3-4; Rev.13:8; Rev.13:16-17) through deception( Rev.12:9) by this universal Babylonian deity of fortune=GAD=GAWD 1408, 1409=GOD( Isa.65:11)==the Roman( Dan.7:23, 4th beast, John's 1st and extended beast( Rev.13:1-17) of which is an image of JUPITER / ZEUS .

It should be noted at this point that Old Norse had two different words spelled óðr, one an adjective and the other a noun. The adjective means '"mad, frantic, furious, violent."[2] It is cognate with Old English wōd.[3] The noun means "mind, wit, soul, sense" and "song, poetry."[4] It is cognate with Old English wōþ. In compounds, óð- means "fiercly, energetic" (e.g. óð-málugr "speaking violently, excited").

Both Old Norse words are from Proto-Germanic *wōþuz[5], continuing pre-Proto-Germanic *wātus[6]. An extra-Germanic cognate is Proto-Celtic *wātus "mantic poetry" (continued in Irish fáith, "poet," and Welsh gwawd , "praise-poetry") and Latin vātes, "prophet, seer" (a possible loan from Proto-Celtic *wātis, Gaulish ουατεις ;). A possible, but uncertain, cognate is Sanskrit api-vat-, "to excite, awaken" (RV 1.128.2). The Proto-Indo-European meaning of the root is therefore reconstructed as relating to spiritual excitation. The Old Norse semantic split is reflected in Adam von Bremen's testimony of the synchronic understanding of the name as "fury" rather than "poetry" or similar.

Meid[7] suggested Proto-Germanic *-na- as a suffix expressing lordship ("Herrschersuffix"), in view of words like Odin's name Herjann, ("lord of armies"), drótinn ("lord of men") and þjóðann ("lord of the nation"), which would result in a direct translation of "lord of spiritual energy", "lord of poetry" or similar. It is sufficient, however, and more common, to assume a more general meaning of pertinence or possession for the suffix, inherited from PIE *-no-, to arive at roughly the same meaning.

Rübekeil (2003:29)[8] draws attention to the suffix variants *-ina- (in Óðinn) vs. *-ana- (in Woden, Wotan). This variation, if considered at all, was dismissed as "suffix ablaut" by earlier scholars. There are, however, indications from outside Old Norse of a suffix *-ina-: English Wednesday (rather than *Wodnesday) via umlaut goes back to *wōđina-. Rübekeil concludes that the original Proto-Germanic form of the name was *Wōđinaz, yielding Old Norse Óðinn and unattested Anglo-Saxon *Wēden, and that the attested West Germanic forms are early medieval "clerical" folk etymologies, formed under the impression of synchronic association with terms for "fury".

The pre-Proto-Germanic form of the name would then be *Wātinos. Rübekeil suggests that this is a loan from Proto-Celtic into pre-Proto-Germanic, referring to the god of the *wātis, the Celtic priests of mantic prophecy, so that the original meaning of the name would be "he [the god/lord] of the Vates" (p. 33), which he tentatively identifies with Lugus (p. 40).[/QUOTE]

Odin and Mercury

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Less is known about the role of Odin as receiver of the dead among the more southern Germanic tribes. The Roman historian Tacitus probably refers to Odin when he talks of Mercury. The reason is that, like Mercury, Odin was regarded as Psychopompos, "the leader of souls".

Julius Caesar calls Mercury the "deum maxime" of the Germans in De Bello Gallico 6.17.1.

Paulus Diaconus (or Paul the Deacon), writing in the late 8th century, tells that Odin (Guodan) was the chief god of the Langobards and, like earlier southern sources, he identifies Odin with Mercury (History of the Langobards, I:9). Because of this identification, Paulus adds that the god Guodan, "although held to exist [by Germanic peoples], it was not around this time, but long ago, and not in Germania, but in Greece" where the god originated. Robert Wace also identifies Wotan with Mercury. Viktor Rydberg, in his work on Teutonic Mythology, draws a number of other parallels between Odin and Mercury, such as the fact that they were both responsible for bringing poetry to mortals.

Similarly, Ammianus Marcellinus most likely references Odin and Thor in his history of the later Roman Empire as Mercury and Mars, respectively, though a direct association is not made. This, however, underlines a particular problem concerning ancient Greek and Roman sources. Historians from both cultures, during all periods, believed the deities of foreign cultures to merely be their own gods under different names. Such an example may be found in Herodotus' association of an Egyptian Ram-headed god (most probably Chnum) with Zeus. Later, Medieval historians followed the older tradition and likewise made such associations. However, there is no historical evidence to suggest that these are valid connections and as such they should not be taken as historical fact.

Celtic parallels

Parallels between Odin and Lugus have often been pointed out: both are intellectual gods, commanding magic and poetry. Both have ravens and a spear as their attributes, and both are one-eyed. Julius Caesar (de bello Gallico, 6.17.1), who mentions Mercury as the chief god of Celtic religion. However, most of our souces concerning Celtic Lugus are Insular Celtic, while sources discussing Gaulish Lugus are rare, although his importance is manifest from the numerous toponyms containing the name (Lugdunum etc.). Lucanus mentions a trinity of highest Celtic gods, Teutates, Esus and Taranis. Teutates is characterized as the lord of battles, identified with Mars (but also with Mercury), and he receives as human sacrifices drowned captives and fallen warriors. Esus is the god of merchants, identified with Mercury (but also with Mars), and he accepts as human sacrifices prisoners that are hung on trees and then dismembered. Taranis is identified with Jupiter, and he is a warlord and a sky god. Human sacrifices to Taranis are made by burning prisoners in wooden casks.

The Celtic priests administring the human sacrifices were the Vates. Lugus is strangely not mentioned by Lucanus at all. The suggestion of Rübekeil (2003:38), in view of his hypothesis of a Celtic origin of the Germanic god discussed above, is that Lugus refers to the trinity Teutates-Esus-Taranis considered as a single god. An etymological reflex of Celtic Lugus is possibly found in Loki (a Germanic god described as a "hypostasis of Odin" by Folke Ström). A likely context of the diffusion of elements of Celtic ritual into Germanic culture is that of the Chatti, who lived at the Celtic-Germanic boundary in Hesse during the final centuries BC (the Chatti are traditionally considered a Germanic tribe, but many of their leaders and their settlements had Celtic names). It must be remembered that Odin in his Proto-Germanic form was not the chief god, but that he only gradually replaced Tyr during the Migration period.

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Zeus From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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Statue of Zeus
Phidias created the 12-m (40-ft) tall statue of Zeus at Olympia about 435 BC. The statue was perhaps the most famous sculpture in ancient Greece, imagined here in a 16th-century engraving.Zeús or Dzeús (Greek Ζεύς ;) or Dias (Greek Δίας ;) ("divine king") is the leader of the gods and god of the sky and thunder in Greek mythology.

Zeus is the continuation of Dyeus, the supreme god in Indo-European religion, also continued as Vedic Dyaus Pitar (cf. Jupiter) , and as Tyr (Ziu, Tiw, Tiwaz) in Germanic and Norse mythology. Tyr was however supplanted by Odin as the supreme god among the Germanic tribes and they did not identify Zeus/Jupiter with either Tyr or Odin, but with Thor.

In addition to his Indo-European inheritance, the classical Zeus also derives certain iconographic traits from the cultures of the ancient Near East, such as the scepter.

Panhellenic cults of Zeus
The major center at which all Greeks converged to pay honor to their chief god was Olympia. The quadrennial festival there featured the famous Games. There was also an altar to Zeus made not of stone, but of ash - from the accumulated remains of many centuries' worth of animal victims immolated there.

Outside of the major inter-polis sanctuaries, there were certain modes of worshipping Zeus that were shared across the Greek world. Most of the above titles, for instance, could be found at any number of Greek temples from Asia Minor to Sicily. Certain modes of ritual were held in common as well: sacrificing a white animal over a raised altar, for instance.

On the other hand, certain cities had Zeus-cults that operated in markedly different ways

Some local Zeus-cults
In addition to the Panhellenic titles and conceptions listed above, local cults maintained their own idiosyncratic ideas about the king of gods and men. A few examples are listed below.

On Crete, Zeus was worshipped at a number of caves at Knossos, Ida and Palaikastro. The stories of Minos and Epimenides suggest that these caves were once used for incubatory divination by kings and priests. The dramatic setting of slowly turned him into a deity. The works of Euhemerism have not survived, but Christian patristic writers took up the suggestion with enthu

Laconian kylix of the 6th century BC, showing Zeus Lykaios with an eagle.The title looks a lot like lykos "wolf". This semantic ambiguity is reflected in the strange cult of Zeus Lykaios in the backwoods of where the god takes on both lucent and lupine features. On the one hand, he presides over Mt Lykaion ("the bright mountain") the tallest peak in Arcadia, and home to a precinct in which, allegedly, no shadows were ever cast (Pausanias 8.38). On the other hand, he is connected with Lycaon ("the wolf-man") whose ancient cannibalism was commemorated with bizarre, recurring rites.

According to Plato (Republic 565d-e), a particular clan would gather on the mountain to make a sacrifice every eight years to Zeus Lykaios, and a single morsel of human entrails would be intermingled with the animal's. Whoever ate the human flesh was said to turn into a wolf, and could only regain human form if he did not eat again of human flesh until the next eight-year cycle had ended.

Although etymology dicates that Zeus was originally a sky god, many Greek cities honored Zeuses who lived underground. Athenians and Sicilians honored Zeus Meilichios ("kindly" or "honeyed") while other cities had Zeus Chthonios ("earthy"), Katachthonios ("under-the-earth) and Plousios ("wealth-bringing"). These deities might be represented indifferently as snakes or men in visual art. They also received offerings of black animal victims sacrificed into sunken pits, as did chthonic deities like Persephone and Demeter, and also the heroes at their tombs. Olympian gods, by contrast, usually received white victims sacrificed upon raised altars.

In some cases, cities were not entirely sure whether the daimon to whom they sacrificed was a hero or an underground Zeus. Thus the shrine at Lebadaea in Boeotia might belong to the hero Trophonius or to Zeus

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See also some of the mythology of Zeus/ Jupiter at...

http://www.archaeonia.com/religion/dodekatheon/zeus.htm

God
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Etymology

Earliest attestation of the Germanic word in the 6th century Codex Argenteus (Mt 5:9)The word God continues Old English/Germanic god (guþ, gudis in Gothic, gud in modern Scandinavian and Gott in modern German), from Proto-Germanic *Guđan. The original meaning and etymology of the Germanic word god has been hotly disputed, though most agree to a reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form *khutóm, which is the neuter passive perfect participle of the root *khu-, which likely meant "libation", "sacrifice". Compare:-

Vedic Sanskrit hu- = "to sacrifice".
Greek khu-, kheu- = "to pour".
Common Germanic strong verb *geutan (Anglo-Saxon gēotan) = "to pour", English in-got.
The connection between these meanings is likely via the meaning "pour a libation". Another possible meaning of *khutóm is "invocation", related to Sanskrit hūta.

The same root appears in the names of three related Germanic tribes, the Geats, the Goths and the Gutar. These names may be derived from an eponymous chieftain Gaut who was subsequently deified, who sometimes appears in early Medieval sagas as a name of Odin or one of his descendants, a former king of the Geats (Gaut(i)), an ancestor of the Gutar (Guti), of the Goths (Gothus) and of the royal line of Wessex (Geats) and as a previous hero of the Goths (Gapt). The Lombardic form of Odin, Godan, may derive from cognate Proto-Germanic *Guđánaz.

The word God was used to represent Greek Theos, Latin Deus in Bible translations, first in the Gothic translation of the New Testament by Ulfilas. For the etymology of deus, see *dyeus. Greek theos is possibly unrelated, and of uncertain origin. De Saussure tentatively connected Baltic and Germanic words for "spook", ultimately cognate with Latin fumus "smoke".

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Dyaus Pita
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In vedic religion, Dyaus Pita is the Sky Father, husband of Prthivi and father of Agni and Indra (RV 4.17.4).

His origins can be traced to the Indo-European sky god *Dyeus, who is also reflected as Zeus in Greek mythology, Jupiter (from Latin Iove pater, "father-god") in Roman mythology, Div in Slavic mythology and Tyr in Norse mythology.

Sharing a fate similar to nordic Tyr's, already in the Rig Veda, Dyaus Pita is all but featureless, appearing in hymns 1.89, 1.90, 1.164, 1.191 and 4.1 in simple invocations.

In RV 1.89.4b, Pita Dyaus "Father Sky" appears alongside Mata Prthivi "Mother Earth".

Details of the myth are sketchy, but Indra seems to have killed his father (RV 4.18.12). Thomas Oberlies tentatively identifies Asura and Dyaus in pre-vedic religion (both appear as Indra's father, but Asura is never associated with Prthivi, so there is a possibility of two conflicting myths).

In art, he appears in two different forms: as a red bull who bellows thunder, or as a black horse adorned with pearls, symbolizing the stars.

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See also....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyr

And also....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_%28god%29

Jupiter (god)
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In Roman mythology, Jupiter held the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He was called Jupiter Optimus Maximus (Jupiter Highest, Greatest) as the patron deity of the Roman state, in charge of laws and social order. Jupiter is, properly speaking, a derivation of Jove and pater (Latin for father)

This article focuses on Jupiter in early Rome and in cultic practice. For information on mythological accounts of Jupiter, which are heavily influenced by Greek mythology, see Zeus.

The name of the god was also adopted as the name of the planet Jupiter, and was the original namesake of the weekday that would come to be known in English as Thursday (the etymological root is more apparent in French jeudi, from Jovis Dies). Ironically, linguistic studies identify him as deriving from the same god as the Germanic Tiwaz (and Zeus), whose name was given to Tuesday. Another etymological reference is Dyaus Pita of the Vedic religion.

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Tyr
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For other uses of this term, see Tyr (disambiguation).

Týr, depicted here with both hands intact, is identified with Mars in this illustration from an 18th century Icelandic manuscript.Tyr (Old Norse: Týr) is the god of warfare and battle in Norse mythology, portrayed as a one-handed man. He was a son of either Odin or Hymir. Corresponding names in other Germanic languages include Tyz (Gothic), Ty (Old Norwegian), Ti (Old Swedish), Tiw, Tiu or Tew (Old English) Týr (Modern Icelandic), and Ziu (Old High German).

Origins

The name[b] Tyr meant "god" (cf. Hangatyr, the "god of the hanged" as one of Odin's names) and goes back to a Proto-Germanic Tîwaz, continuing Proto-Indo-European Dyeus, originally the chief god, the precursor also of e. g. Zeus in Greek mythology, and Dyaus Pitar in Vedic religion. The oldest attestation of the god is Gothic Tyz (Vienna cod. 140 [1])

Tîwaz was overtaken in popularity and in authority by Odin at some point in both the North Germanic and West Germanic traditions. Among East Germanic tribes, however, he seems to have remained the supreme god: the Goths of the 3rd century were feared because they sacrificed the captives they took in battle to Tyz, their god of war, and then hung the arms of the victims in trees as a token-offering.

This custom of human sacrifice seems to have been transferred to Odin in Scandinavia, as reported by Adam von Bremen in the 11th century (compare also Odin himself hanging from a tree as a sacrifice to himself in the Havamal).

It is possible that the transfer of supremacy from Tyr to Odin was facilitated by the Germanic custom of diarchy (see Germanic king and c.f. e.g. Hengest and Horsa, Yngvi and Alf and Erik and Alrik), so that the two gods might have ruled the early Germanic pantheon as equals at some point. A trace of their relationship may be seen in the appearance of Tyr as Odin's son in Norse mythology, and also in Anglo-Saxon, if Tiw is identified with Saxnot (Seaxneat), the 'war-god' and son of Woden, who was revered as the ancestor of the Saxons. In an earlier version, Tyr may have been the son of Hymir, as he is in Hymiskviða (cf. Zeus being a son of Chronos).

There is sketchy evidence of a consort, in German named Zisa: Tacitus mentions one Germanic tribe who worshipped "Isis", and Jacob Grimm pointed to Cisa/Zisa, the patroness of Augsburg, in this connection. The name Zisa would be derived from Ziu etymologically, in agreement with other consorts to the chief god in Indo-European pantheons, e. g. Zeus and Dione.[/quote]

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Jupiter (god)
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In Roman mythology, Jupiter held the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He was called Jupiter Optimus Maximus (Jupiter Highest, Greatest) as the patron deity of the Roman state, in charge of laws and social order. Jupiter is, properly speaking, a derivation of Jove and pater (Latin for father)

This article focuses on Jupiter in early Rome and in cultic practice. For information on mythological accounts of Jupiter, which are heavily influenced by Greek mythology, see Zeus.

The name of the god was also adopted as the name of the planet Jupiter, and was the original namesake of the weekday that would come to be known in English as Thursday (the etymological root is more apparent in French jeudi, from Jovis Dies). Ironically, linguistic studies identify him as deriving from the same god as the Germanic Tiwaz (and Zeus), whose name was given to Tuesday. Another etymological reference is Dyaus Pita of the Vedic religion

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Hence you can see by the practice ofsyncretisim of the whole world has been and still is, which is Idolatry to YAHWEH.

Thought you might want a little history on " gott, gud, guth, god, gawd" and how they connect to the deity of Jupiter/Zeus through Germanic roots into the English god and jupiter /zeusie- the idol image deity of the beast and satan( Rev.13:1-17), and how it connects to Babylon the great, the mother and her harlotsof ( Rev.17 and 18).

See also the post dated posted 01-14-2006 10:59 PM which proves that the title of 'GAD=GOD=GAWD=GUWD=JUPITER 'of ( Isa.65:11; Acts 14:12-13) is in actuality a title for demons ie- the devil.

At...

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-9.html

Elyahc=Eljah C.

In all this striving over words (2 Timothy 2:11-14) we seem to forget that in order to know these things we have to violate Jeremiah's admonition to "Learn not the way of the heathen." If our language is so corrupt that all the worship given to the Most High in it actually goes to satan, then it seems the only logical recourse would be to learn and worship in Hebrew. Before you put it off as a pipe dream remember that you can go to any Orthodox synagogue in the world and all the prayers and readings are in Hebrew. Then you wouldn't have to strive over words and subvert the hearers but rather worship with a clear conscience.

My two cents,

Zep 3:9 “For then I shall turn unto the peoples a clean lip, so that they all call on the Name of YHWH to serve Him with one shoulder. Footnote: lip = language.