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KYMAK Posts: 154 |
posted 10-30-2003 01:00 PM
  
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BarYah Posts: 839 |
posted 10-31-2003 05:56 PM
Shabbat shalom, brothers & sisters! I could not help but note one text that tells me the concept for reincarnation for the believer in the Sent of Yahweh is incorrect, and improper. Most of us wouldn't want a Scriptural study to offset the words that are plentiful on the first URL given, so I will just supply one text: "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment" (Hebrews 9: 27). [This message has been edited by BarYah (edited 10-31-2003).] |
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Melekim Posts: 67 |
posted 10-31-2003 07:04 PM
Shabbat Shalom,
p/s Yahweh give us strength in these last days and make us laborers of His harvest. Melechim ------------------ |
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Melekim Posts: 67 |
posted 10-31-2003 07:07 PM
Oh yeah one more thing...what about the order of resurrections? Did the reincarnates skip all of us in line already? Do not be deceived brethren. Yahweh would never gives the chance of bashing His only Son again and again and again. We did not deserve it the first time...if that's the case. Shalom Melechim ------------------ |
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KYMAK Posts: 154 |
posted 11-03-2003 12:06 PM
Hebrews 9:27 is the verse usually cited in this matter. However, that verse has an “is” that could be and is elsewhere often translated “was” from the Greek text. Then it would be, "it was once appointed unto men to die". That would be the correct translation in view of John 11:26,
I find that the objections to any idea of reincarnation comes mainly from fundamentalist (immature) Christians; it is not objected to by those who know and follow the Torah. In Yahshua's name,I am ------------------ [This message has been edited by KYMAK (edited 11-04-2003).] |
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Yahwehwitnesses Posts: 2247 |
posted 11-03-2003 01:20 PM
KYMAK, The word believes doesn't mean just "believe that he existed/exists". Believing in him means that you will follow, obide, set your faith and trust in/by/of him. Personally I find your posts to be disturbing or confusing to me. Why do you right In Yahshua's name, I am then ------------------ an Ambassador of Yahweh in your close off? The word Ambassador means: "An official of the highest rank" or "an authorized minister of the highest rank". The Celtic origin word ambassadeur means: "An official messenger and representative". Are you a missionary, or a disciple of Yahshua? Disciple means: One who embraces and assists in spreading the teachings of Yahshua. Missionary means: One who is sent or goes on a mission, especially to do religious or charitable work in a territory or foreign country. I'm not trying to pick on you, but I do want to set the record straight. Maybe you didn't know all these things? Shalom in Yahweh, Brother Yohanan |
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KYMAK Posts: 154 |
posted 11-03-2003 01:58 PM
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I was ordained an Ambassador of Yahweh in 1970 by a former Baptist Evangelist Dr. Joseph Jeffers, who began preaching the Name in Church when it was forbidden to do so – consequently he started a group of his own called the Kingdom of Yahweh in 1938; now called Yahweh’s New Kingdom, Inc. I was recognized to be an Apostle by the House of Yahweh founded by Jacob Hawkins but I never joined. I am not much of a joiner. “I am” can be used both as a reference to Yahshua as well as in reference to an Ambassador of Yahweh which I am. Maybe I should use it twice or not at all to avoid confusion?
I wish you well.
I am [This message has been edited by KYMAK (edited 11-03-2003).] |
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Yahwehwitnesses Posts: 2247 |
posted 11-03-2003 02:23 PM
KyMak, Are you taliking about the guy who preaches stuff about UFO's, Atlantis, Pyramids and other Mysteries? Yohanan |
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KYMAK Posts: 154 |
posted 11-03-2003 02:46 PM
quote: I gather you can not respond to the topic. So why are you trying to distract others from doing so? I try to keep an open mind. I don't know much about what Plato and Aristotle taught. Dr. Jeffers had a Doctorate in Theology. All I know for sure is what the Bible says. ------------------ |
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Yahwehwitnesses Posts: 2247 |
posted 11-03-2003 04:54 PM
KYMAK, I'm not trying to distract others with facts. I'm trying to find out what and who you are, and what exactly what your trying to share or influenece in here. You brought to others attention certain info about yourself. You said that you were ordained as an Ambassador by Dr. Joseph Jeffers. What authority does he have to make anybody an Ambassador of Yahweh? Mr. Joseph Jeffers is found on many cult lists and is widely recognized as a false teacher, new age wacko, etc. etc. Are you one of his followers? You wrote: I find that the objections to any idea of reincarnation comes mainly from fundamentalist (immature) Christians; it is not objected to by those who know and follow the Torah. Now you try to speak on behalf for Christians and Torah followers. For the record, I object to anybody who teaches or believes they can be reincarnated in the flesh. John 3:16 For Elokim so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Yahweh offers us everlasting life through his son Yahshua. Those who are not saved shall perish along with this world. Flesh and blood can not enter into the Kingdom of Elokim.(1 Cor 15:50). Prov 3:5 Trust in Yahweh with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understandings. Shalom in Yahweh Brother Yohanan [This message has been edited by Yahwehwitnesses (edited 11-03-2003).] |
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bedeyah Posts: 637 |
posted 11-03-2003 05:31 PM
There are two passages if I remember clearly that gives hints of the possiblity of reincarnation and there are rabbincal teachers that believe in reincarnation. I think that the reason that concept is looked down upon is because the minute you hear that word one thinks of a specific religion. hinduism, |
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Soldier4YHWH Posts: 69 |
posted 11-04-2003 12:00 AM
This is hogwash ! The sacrifice of Yahshua on the stake and the shedding of his blood cannot be compatible with a system of belief that denies his atonement. Anyone who bases there belief of reincaranation on the bible...tells me that they actually don't know there scriptures...and they should be condemned from the Body of Messiah. Reincarnation has its origin in India sometime near 800 B.C. The ancient Israelites never held a belief of reincarnation ! Reincarnation is vital to classical Buddhism and Hinduism. Although reincarnation has ancient roots, its more modern, popular versions are modifications of the ancient, eastern beliefs of Hinduism. In the original forms of reincarnation, it was believed that souls transform from life to life in never-ending cycles. It was believed that it was even possible to reincarnate into the form of an animal or plant. Most modern, popular versions of reincarnation limit this never-ending process to the transmigration of the soul into human bodies. The concept of karma is closely associated with reincarnation. Karma is essentially the law of cause and effect. Those that profess belief in karma teach that the deeds (good or bad) of one's past lives affect this present life. Further, one’s present deeds will have ramifications for future lives. In other words, the law of sowing and reaping is not limited to this present life but rather continues throughout eternity. In much of the Orient, this strict belief in karma has resulted in a hopeless, pessimistic view of life. Their lives are seen as dreary, endless cycles of suffering and rebirth. Because of this endless chain of karma, reincarnation does not resolve the problem of evil, but simply points toward the impossible goal of perfection and self-salvation, the ultimate freedom from reincarnation. In modern, western reincarnation, the objective is to join with "ultimate reality," merging with God and becoming God. Modern reincarnation often promotes the divinity of the soul and denies the biblical concept of a sovereign, personal God. The Bible also contradicts the belief in karma by emphasizing grace. According to the Bible, atonement and forgiveness may be gained only through the death and bodily resurrection of Yahshua. Salvation is based solely upon the work of Yahshua, not upon our own merits. The concepts of reincarnation and karma are in clear contrast to Hebrews 9:27, "For it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment." Paul clearly states that the soul does not transmigrate into another living body, but goes to await judgment. Paul promised that death is the means to being in the presence of Yahshua, "we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the YHWH (heaven). 2 Corinthians 5:8" It is clear that the Bible does not allow for the concept of reincarnation. Shalom ! Kymak don't fool yourself...maybe in your little world you call yourself an ambassador of YHWH, but trust me you are far from it ! You have a very curious spirit, you hold many pagan beliefs, and seem to me to be very gullible, and not grounded in the word. Your beliefs show me that you are a gentile(heathen) and have no place amongst bretheren in Yahshua ! [This message has been edited by Soldier4YHWH (edited 11-04-2003).] |
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Soldier4YHWH Posts: 69 |
posted 11-04-2003 12:03 AM
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Yahwehwitnesses Posts: 2247 |
posted 11-04-2003 01:47 AM
Soldier4YHWH, The Trinity concept and reincarnation garbage got a big boost from Isis, Osirus and Horus. That's were the Scarab and Ankh reincarnation teachings really took off. The differance is, back then Anubis mummified those dummies, and they were burried with various treasures to supposedly take with them into nowhere land. But as we can see, the burried dummies and treasures are all being dug up and put in museums. Today they often embalm people before burial, or burn them in fire. Many of these types of false religions still burn money or bring other offerings to send to their dead loves ones. Otherwise they attempt to communicate with the dead in many ways, yet at the same time they claim the dead are reincarnated. Reincarnation is also heavily taught by Taoism, various Asian Monks, Wiccians, and many cults worldwide. Basically it's all tied into Sun and Satan Worshipping, but today they rather call them Mysteries. Today they are commonly known as third eye cults with an opened mind or vision of their own understandings. Shalom in Yahweh, Brother Yohanan [This message has been edited by Yahwehwitnesses (edited 11-04-2003).] |
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KYMAK Posts: 154 |
posted 11-04-2003 10:44 AM
quote: There are many passages if one will open their eyes and mind and heart to it. Most people here seem to adhere to the Catechism of the Catholic Church which quotes Heb. 9:27 as the final word on the subject. I have shown that verse is mistranslated in the light of the words of Yahshua recorded in John 11:26. There are other passages such as pertain to our "first estate", baptism for the dead and "spirits in prison" that need to be considered. Sincerely, [This message has been edited by KYMAK (edited 11-04-2003).] |
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