Those verses are talking about SPIRITS and have nothing to do with reincarnation.

The SOULS of the dead and living in Yahshua will be raised on the last day. The rest who are not found worthy, and this earth will be burned up by the wrath of Yahweh.

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of G-d waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently.

If a person is possessed by a demon "spirit of error", or if Yahweh gives them a spiritual gifts of the Holy Ghost, that doesn't mean they are reincarnated.

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times many shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

You need to study the Word of Yahweh, and obey and pray more.

Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohahan

john 9 verse 2

9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

they asked if the man had sinned which caused him to BE BORN BLIND , WHEN DID THE SIN TAKE PLACE In order for him to be born blind as the disciples believed ?

As was stated what you have to show so that it is not true is to disprove the statement of JOSEPHUS AND disprove that scripture above.

just to add

Reincarnation and Judaism
By Rebecca Weiner

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Reincarnation, gilgul in Hebrew, is not explicitly mentioned in the Torah, though some interpret traditional Jewish practices to refer to reincarnation. Maimonides has written about the allusion of biblical verses to its occurrence. For example, Daniel 12:13 states, "now go your way to the end and rest, and you shall arise to your destiny at the end of days." A second example can be found in the concept of yibum, when a married man dies childless, tradition holds that his spouse should marry the man’s brother and their first-born should receive the dead father’s name.

The purpose of reincarnation is seen as a chance for a soul to achieve a goal not achieved in a previous life and as a chance to reward man for fulfilling the desires of his Creator. Reincarnation has also been viewed as punishment for a sinner’s previous deeds. For example, a rich man who abused his power may come back as poor.

Rabbi Haim Vital, a student of the Ar’I, has compiled a list of those reincarnated in Jewish history. There is a cycle of reincarnations beginning with Dinah and Shechem. Dina, the daughter of Jacob was raped by Shechem. Shechem did not take responsibility for his actions and blamed them on his upbringing and the fact that Dinah was a noble women. So the role were reversed when Shechem was reincarnated as Zimri, an Israelite general, and Dina as Cuzbi, a Midianite women. Zimri was found consorting with Cuzbi and both were killed by the zealot, Pinhas. Thus when Shechem/Zimri was a noble man and of good birth, he could no longer blame outside sources for his own faults and was punished accordingly. The story continues when Pinhas was reincarnated as Rabbi Akiva and Cuzbi, as the wife of the Roman general Turnus Rufus. She converted to Judaism and helped establish the yeshiva of Rabbi Akiva. By promoting Jewish learning in her next life, she atoned for his sins with Zimri. Thus perhaps ending that cycle of gilgul.

A midrash says that every Jew to ever live and who will ever live stood at Mount Sinai, when the Jews received the Covenant from God. Reincarnation may help explain how this midrash could be true.

Sources

john 9 verse 2

9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

they asked if the man had sinned which caused him to BE BORN BLIND , WHEN DID THE SIN TAKE PLACE In order for him to be born blind as the disciples believed ?

As was stated what you have to show so that it is not true is to disprove the statement of JOSEPHUS AND disprove that scripture above.

just to add

Reincarnation and Judaism
By Rebecca Weiner

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Reincarnation, gilgul in Hebrew, is not explicitly mentioned in the Torah, though some interpret traditional Jewish practices to refer to reincarnation. Maimonides has written about the allusion of biblical verses to its occurrence. For example, Daniel 12:13 states, "now go your way to the end and rest, and you shall arise to your destiny at the end of days." A second example can be found in the concept of yibum, when a married man dies childless, tradition holds that his spouse should marry the man’s brother and their first-born should receive the dead father’s name.

The purpose of reincarnation is seen as a chance for a soul to achieve a goal not achieved in a previous life and as a chance to reward man for fulfilling the desires of his Creator. Reincarnation has also been viewed as punishment for a sinner’s previous deeds. For example, a rich man who abused his power may come back as poor.

Rabbi Haim Vital, a student of the Ar’I, has compiled a list of those reincarnated in Jewish history. There is a cycle of reincarnations beginning with Dinah and Shechem. Dina, the daughter of Jacob was raped by Shechem. Shechem did not take responsibility for his actions and blamed them on his upbringing and the fact that Dinah was a noble women. So the role were reversed when Shechem was reincarnated as Zimri, an Israelite general, and Dina as Cuzbi, a Midianite women. Zimri was found consorting with Cuzbi and both were killed by the zealot, Pinhas. Thus when Shechem/Zimri was a noble man and of good birth, he could no longer blame outside sources for his own faults and was punished accordingly. The story continues when Pinhas was reincarnated as Rabbi Akiva and Cuzbi, as the wife of the Roman general Turnus Rufus. She converted to Judaism and helped establish the yeshiva of Rabbi Akiva. By promoting Jewish learning in her next life, she atoned for his sins with Zimri. Thus perhaps ending that cycle of gilgul.

A midrash says that every Jew to ever live and who will ever live stood at Mount Sinai, when the Jews received the Covenant from God. Reincarnation may help explain how this midrash could be true.

Sources

Your words:

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Hebrews 9:27 is the verse usually cited in this matter. However, that verse has an “is” that could be and is elsewhere often translated “was” from the Greek text. Then it would be, "it was once appointed unto men to die".
That would be the correct translation in view of John 11:26

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Now, just a brief suggestion is necessary here, because you certainly do not bring forth the thought of Scripture, and you surely obscure and terrorize the beauty and necessity of the Cross of Calvary. Are you not able to see that if you teach reincarnation within Scripture, you are saying that each of us has a number of lives to get it right?

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this" (John 11: 26)?
You are doing as has been done throughout the history of the world - you are reading into the words that are above, a particular understanding, that is held nowhere else within the Scriptures. This is esotericism, and this is against the Scriptural teaching from Peter: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation" (2Peter 1: 20).

You flatly aren't allowed to do this with Scripture. Rather, the methodology of ascertaining truth from studious Scripture dissection, is well written in Isaiah:

The soul consists of the body, mind and spirit.

When one dies the spirit returns to Yahweh who gave it; Yahweh may confine it to prison or receive it into His presence, I gather from scripture I cited above.

Baptism for the dead may be the means to release that spirit to return to mortality in order to work out the defects. IMO it need not be and probably isn’t in the same body as before. No work can be done out of the body.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1PET+4:6&language =english&version=KJV&showfn=on&showxref=on

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/76/73-74#73

At death, one “falls asleep” so apparently only the mind (and memory?) remains - in a dreamlike state, whether in the presence of Yahweh or imprisoned and out of sight.

Ecclesiastes 12
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto (YHWH) who gave it.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passag e=Eccl+12%3A7&x=13&y=5

The wicked may become sons of perdition.

http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=Abr+3%3A28

http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=D+%26+C+76%3A32&search.x=26&search.y=12

Those who are faithful to Yahweh may die and return in spirit to Yahweh for a later mission or remain on earth by instant rebirth from the womb or as a child or even as an adult who will accept it such as in a religious conversion when we accept the Holy Spirit.

Sincerely,

In the name of Yahweh, I am
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An Ambassador of Yahweh

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Originally posted by BarYah:
Hi there, KYMAK!

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." (John 11: 26)?

You are reading into the words that are above, a particular understanding.

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I take it and all the Bible to mean what it says, all interpretations to the contrary notwithstanding.
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An Ambassador of Yahweh

KYMAK, you have said:

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There are other passages such as pertain to our "first estate", baptism for the dead and "spirits in prison" that need to be considered

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Yes, indeed, first estate, spirits in prison, and baptism for the dead are all noted, but this has nothing to do with reincarnation, unless one has been cursed with receiving this belief, and then others have started him out to notice certain Scriptures to serve the purpose of causing that one to become spiritually "imprisoned" by having these texts become based on an incorrect pre-supposition, that there is reincarnation going on by the will of the Creator. What you have failed to do is answer my last post as to the reasons for "other lives," but that is understood because I just wrote that, so you have time. I ask you then: Why, reincarnation?

Anyway, it is very easy to answer your three posits:

1/ The first estate of the book of Jude 6: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day," [and I have to need this word again, which speaks to your going far away from the understood meaning], obviously speaks of the angelic host that was taken from Yahweh's hands, because the adversary, by his false doctrines, caused the innocent angels to trust in his words, rather than in the words of Yahweh. These then, again spoken of in Revelation 12: "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born" (verse 4a). This tells us that the angels who disobeyed Yahweh, lost their first estate, and place was given them no longer, to re-occupy it, for their fate in following Satan, is the fires of eternal death. I would hast to say, "Watch what you teach, dear brother, for otherwise, you may find yourself with them in that fire, suffering immensely for your false teachings, and found responsible for those who have been led astray thereby!"

2/ The spirits in prison, spoken of in 1Peter 3: 18-20: "For Mashiach also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to G-d, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of G-d waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water," tells us about the effect of Yeshua's second death, which was so very cruel, it forced Him into first death. You see, second death, is a death that is felt in the flesh, from which none who do wrong throughout the lifetime, can escape, unless that one is firmly "in Mashiach," and ready to forego this torture, because Yeshua was his Substitute, receiving this second death, and then being resurrected from it, by Father Yahweh, and by Himself, so that the one who receives the Plan of Salvation, may not only not feel second death, but may also receive eternal life.

This is a figurative statement, just as the words from Revelation 6: 9 is figurative. You see, that Plan which saves all who receive it, was made before the foundation of the world [see Ephesians 1: 5]. Peter therefore, speaking figuratively, says that Yeshua, in going down into death and the grave, preached a saving salvation unto all of those who, going down into the grave before Him, went down in faith of a coming Mashiach, Who would ensure by His holy history, that they would come forth from their graves, where Satan has been keeping them captive, to an eternity that has been promised since Yahweh spoke of it to Adam and Eve in the garden. Peter uses this to assure all that Mashiach's holy history will deliver even those who died in faith, before the Flood. Such power is found in walking by faith in Him Who was to come [before His birth], came [and lived among us for thirty-three, and a half years], and has/did come [for we are able to see it all, through Yahweh's Holy Scriptures].

3/ When Yeshua died on His cross, a huge earthquake caused even the Pharisees foremost in this mock trial, to worry if they would get through it without seeing death, but as they worried, there was an opening of the tombs of many of those who had died in faith in the coming Mashiach. At His resurrection, these went into Jerusalem, and told the people Who Yeshua was, that He had been and is the child of promise, HalleluYah! These did not go down into the earth again, but Yeshua took these back to Heaven with Him, as a firstfruits from the grave. These actually are the twenty-four Elders, and the four beasts, that surround the Throne of Yahweh, and have a part to play, and are presently playing it, at the pre-advent judgment of the righteous dead. These are working with Yeshua, as the Judgment continues, for as I have noted in previous posts: "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of G-d: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of G-d" (1Peter 4: 17).

Now, even as Yahweh has allowed a group of twenty-eight of those who have been martyrs for the faith, to work with Yeshua during the Judgment of the Righteous, there will also be a group of firstfruits from among men/earth, which will be a special group, and only they, will follow the Son, whithersoever He goeth, for these are chaste virgins unto Yahweh. This first-fruits from among the earth/ from among men, must be received as such, having truly allowed in their lives, the Plan of Salvation to come to full fruition, in their individual lives, thus announcing the Sons and Daughters of G-d, to the whole rotten world, just a little before the second coming of Yeshua Mashiach.

There are countless millions who are now still dead in their graves, awaiting the call from the Life Giver, Yeshua Mashiach, that they will all come forth from darkness, into the Light of eternal life, in fully sinless nature, HalleluYah! These who are first-fruits from among men/the earth, are the 144,000! There are three baptisms spoken of throughout Scripture: Water, Holy Spirit, and Fire/Suffering. The 144,000 will be baptized by all three baptisms, and having received all three, when the Plan bears good fruit to the glory of Yahweh, and His Son, Yeshua Mashiach, THEN these would have been baptized [by Water, Spirit, and Fire/Suffering], for those who are dead in their graves, but "in Mashiach," so that Father Yahweh will say: "Surely, the Plan has indeed reached its reckoned result, for 'it has saved these 144,000, FROM their sins!'"

THEN, Yahweh will tell Yeshua, to come and deliver those who have been held captive in the graves, unto a New Tomorrow, wherein they shall never die!

These speak absolutely nothing about reincarnation, although if I receive an untruth, and then go about looking for the Scriptural ammunition to give a lie unto others, Yahweh will not hold you back. Is it not written:

The soul consists of the body, mind and spirit.
Mankind has what would one say, a personality, but that personality does not go after his death unto a place where it exists, and knows it exists! Rather this spirit [the breath of life given to the dust by Yahweh], simply returns to G-d, Who gave it.

When one dies the spirit returns to Yahweh who gave it; Yahweh may confine it to prison or receive it into His presence, I gather from scripture I cited above.
Well if its citing Scripture that you desire, then have a quick look at these:

1/ "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6: Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun" (Ecclestiastes 9: 5, 6); "While I live will I praise Yahweh: I will sing praises unto my G-d while I have any being. 3: Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 4: His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish" (Psalms 146: 2-4).

These are but two of many, but I want not to bury you with Scriptural references, for I would rather work along the lines of principle, than go back and forth with Scripture, which I will do, if I must! Again, you have not as yet answered my question aforesaid: "Why reincarnation?"

Baptism for the dead may be the means to release that spirit to return to mortality in order to work out the defects. IMO it need not be and probably isn’t in the same body as before. No work can be done out of the body.
Rather, I have noted to you what baptism for the dead is all about. By the way, we two are literally and actually living in those days when Yahweh is bringing forth His 144,000!

At death, one “falls asleep” so apparently the mind or memory remains - in a dreamlike state, whether in the presence of Yahweh or imprisoned and out of sight.
No, not at all. You see, when you are in a dream-like state, you are ALIVE, but you are not in a dream-like state when you are dead! Remember Genesis 2: 7? "And Yahweh our Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." The breath of life, is that which is also called "the spirit." The wind, might be more familiar to you, rather than breath. That is the "spirit" that returns unto G-d at death.

Have you ever saw someone dying at the last seconds? Finally, all of the air is expressed, and life ceases! This "breath of life," is that which goes back to the Creator.

Ecclesiastes 12
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto (YHWH) who gave it.
That's exactly what I just wrote! WOW, are we ever in synche!

The wicked may become sons of perdition.
We differ here, but only a little. I believe the wicked are the sons of perdition.

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Originally posted by BarYah:
Sorry, brothers and sisters, but I noted my last post, with a desire to squash this ridiculosity.

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If you had lived in the days when Yahshua was on earth would you have been as adverse to his ideas as the religious leaders then were. Aren't you now only trying to maintain the current mainline religious traditions of those who deny him in works? Mightn't you be as they were, hypocrites only pretending to believe in observing the Torah.

If you will observe the Torah you will free yourself from all those false and misleading traditions of men. The fearful and unbelieving are in the same boat as murderers, thieves and liars.

In the name of Yahoshua-ha-Mashiac, I am
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An Ambassador of Yahweh

Look who you are dealing with

KYMAK wrote:
I was ordained an Ambassador of Yahweh in 1970 by a former Baptist Evangelist Dr. Joseph Jeffers, who began preaching the Name in Church when it was forbidden to do so – consequently he started a group of his own called the Kingdom of Yahweh in 1938; now called Yahweh’s New Kingdom, Inc.

Dr. Joseph Jeffers and his Web sites are found on many top cult lists.

KYMAK calls himself an Dr. Joseph Jeffers [ordianed Ambassador].

The word Ambassador means: "An official of the highest rank" or "an authorized messenger or representative of the highest rank".

This immediately caught my attention that KYMAK doesn't call himself a Disciple of Yahshua, but rather he writes "I am" ----------- an Ambassador of Yahweh. Sounds like he is calling himself I Am or Yahshua!

I have already asked KYMAK if he is a Disciple, and if he is still a follower of Dr. Joseph Jeffers who had ordained him as a so-called Ambassador, as I can see he is still trying to share some of Dr. Joseph Jeffers teachings.

KYMAK responded I gather you can not respond to the topic. So why are you trying to distract others from doing so?

I know one thing for sure, KYMAK is no Ambassador of Yahweh.

Yahshua is the only Ambassador "highest rank teacher" authorized of Yahweh.

Please take a look at Dr. Joseph Jeffers Web site and decide for yourselves...http://www.yahwehsnewkingdom.com/

You can also search the internet for the words Dr. Joseph Jeffers cult

So I wonder what's KYMAK's real intentions of being here and persistently sharing this darkness from whom he was ordained by?

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

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Originally posted by KYMAK:
Friends, I speak the truth and lie not.

The soul consists of the body, mind and spirit.

When one dies the spirit returns to Yahweh who gave it; Yahweh may confine it to prison or receive it into His presence, I gather from scripture I cited above.

Baptism for the dead may be the means to release that spirit to return to mortality in order to work out the defects. IMO it need not be and probably isn’t in the same body as before. No work can be done out of the body.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1PET+4:6&language =english&version=KJV&showfn=on&showxref=on

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/76/73-74#73

At death, one “falls asleep” so apparently only the mind (and memory?) remains - in a dreamlike state, whether in the presence of Yahweh or imprisoned and out of sight.

Ecclesiastes 12
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto (YHWH) who gave it.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passag e=Eccl+12%3A7&x=13&y=5

The wicked may become sons of perdition.

http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=Abr+3%3A28

http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=D+%26+C+76%3A32&search.x=26&search.y=12

Those who are faithful to Yahweh may die and return in spirit to Yahweh for a later mission or remain on earth by instant rebirth from the womb or as a child or even as an adult who will accept it such as in a religious conversion when we accept the Holy Spirit.

Sincerely,

In the name of Yahweh, I am

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“The soul consists of the body, mind and spirit.“
In Hebrew the words are, the Nephesh (soul) consists of Basar (flesh), Lebab (mind), and Neshema (spirit). The Holy Spirit is Ruuach.

I liken the flesh to matter, the mind to light and the spirit to energy.

Notice, I have given hyperlinks to some key scriptures for your study and enlightenment.

You will find that the translation "rise from the dead" and "resurrection" are from the same Greek word. I would use “resurrection” to refer to the final rising to immortality.

Even while in mortality you have eternal life if Yahweh is in you except you be reprobate.

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/42/46#46

In Yahshua,
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An Ambassador of Yahweh

To answer those who have not taken the time to look at my website background page and who wonder where I am coming from:

I was raised in the First Baptist Church and made my decision to accept the guidance of the Holy Spirit at age 11 and was Baptized. I stopped going to Church when I was 14 after my dad died and we moved to another town.

I studied Architecture and was influenenced by Frank Lloyd Wright in person at age 25. I learned to think and use my own mind; to follow the light of Yahweh in the narrow way to life rather than blindly follow human tradition in the broad way to destruction.

At age 26 I heard "The World Tomorrow" broadcast by Herbert W. Armstrong and was inspired to become a disciple of (Yahshua) as prescribed - I forsook all that I had and spent 3 ½ years living and traveling around with nothing but the clothes on my back while I pursued the study and practice of the Torah.

At age 37 I heard Dr. Jeffers on the radio while living in Texas. I knew he was right about the name of Yahweh and Yahoshua and I learned many important things from him.

I have always maintained the Bible as the final authority in matters of faith and practice. Consequently, my opinions are my own based on the Bible.

Matt. 13:14

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. F27 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=mt+13:18 &version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1

In Yahshua,

I am An Ambassador of Yahweh

10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000 lives, eh?

According to Scripture we have one earthly life and after judgement another one, whether it be eternal life or eternal death depends on what judgement you partaken of here in this life.

Shalom,

IB

I for one clearly see the dangers associated with your persistent teachings and from your foundation.

You have repeatedly failed to provide scripture proofs to back up many of your reincarnation teachings, and the few scriptures you have provided do not support your theories.

You are long time associated with Dr. Joseph Jeffers http://www.yahwehsnewkingdom.com/ and his teachings, as you admitted that he taught and ordianed you as a so-called Ambassador many years ago. You are now here sharing some of his teachings.

As a long time missionary, I'm very aware of many cults false teachings and their bait - recruiting methods. I now see within your most recent posts that you have added more false teachings, and other things that I feel are baits to lure others unto your personal beliefs or realations.

I know about Dr. Joseph Jeffers new age books and Montauk - Alien teachings, and it's related teachings and beliefs by the Hale-Bopp cult.

The following is a warning quoted on some of the cult awareness sites about Dr. Joseph Jeffers.

Quote: The founder, whom this group says is the messiah, is Dr. Joseph Jeffers. He is in the center of the earth now, but will be returning shortly in a golden spaceship. This group teaches that people don't die but go to the hollow place in the earth. They also claim that (among others) former President Jimmy Carter and former Vice President Walter Mondale have died and aliens now inhabit their bodies.

Speaking for myself, these are not the kinds of people or techings that I want to have fellowship with.

Yohanan