posted 08-01-1999 04:40 AM            

Greetings,

The word was with the goddess, not my words, but the words of the scriptures.
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After reading such paganistic comments, can anyone here still deny that worshipping a man is not a step towards all out polytheism? Sadly, the followers of HaMessiah (peac ebe upon him) will one day end up like others before them who first fell into trinity-worship and later fully fledged polytheism. (eg. the Hindu's, who began as monotheists, then lapsed into a trinity-belief and ultimately degenerated into all out polytheism)

When people ascribe humanness to the Creator, then they have strayed far off the path, when they associate Him (exalted and glorified be He) with mankind and with their pagan 'gods/esses of wisdom' then they are a 'country mile' from the path.

The first family that perverted it was Yahweh/Sophia and Yahweh/Adam, when they fell from heaven

When we accept anyhitng less than the worship of the ONE, then we are on our way to misery. Two, three, four or five are all the same, they are not worship of the one true Creator.

Peace,

[i]shlameal[ite].

posted 08-01-1999 05:49 AM            

I agree that the Torah is truth. What I don't agree with is that our translations and interpretations of the Torah are accurate.
Who is Yahweh, should be the question!!! We know that there is more than one Yahweh spoken of in the English translations. Some call one, the angel Yahweh. I call one Yahweh Sophia and the other Yahweh Adam.

YOu quote:
>>Thus saith Yahweh, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom(Let not the Sophist glory in his sophistry. i.e ["Sophist", from the Gr. sophistes, a wise man<<

I don't think you realize the extent of what you have written here. We are not to glory/praise Yahweh/Sophia and her wisdom.

You quote:
>>neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:<<

Wow, do you see what this says. Don't let the mighty/El man glory in his might. Sounds like the halfbred El man is not to glory in the fact that he is part El.

You wrote:
>>What was that you said about being unknowable?<<

I said that the "Divine Absolute" who is the heavenly father, is unknowable. He is soooo far above us that we can't comprehend anything about him/her.

You wrote:
>>Huh!? Aren't we "sophisticated"!<<

This is a real intellegent and helpful dialogue we are having here. Thanks for all the imput.
I don't understand where you are coming from with this sarcastic comment.

You wrote:
>>which spirit would that be? Ruach HaChodesh perhaps?<<

The fallen spirits who brought sin and death into the world. Yes, Yahweh Sophia who is the holy spirit.

You wrote:
>>Yahshua is the product of Man mating with a spirit female?<<

That's a good analogy.

You wrote:
>>I thought Yashua said the the father is a spirit? John 4:23,24<<

This scripture is speaking about the heavenly father.

You wrote:
>>I hear Yahweh speaking through Jeremiah again;<<

What do you hear him saying??????

It sounds to me like Jeremiah is telling us that the "Queen of Heaven" was indeed being worshipped.

You wrote:
>>So if Ruach HaChodesh is "Sophia", and "Sophia" is evil, What does Yahshua have to say about you?<<

Now, you tell me. How have I blasphemed against the holy spirit???? The truth is not blasphemy.

What does Iesous/Yahushua have to say about her.

Revelation 22:16: I Iesous have sent my angel to attest these things to you for the sake of the churches. I am the sprig from the root of David and the bright "STAR OF THE MORNING." And the Spirit when the Bride said, come!

You wrote:
>>Now, if we are so deluded, and you so wise(sophisticated), why would you come to us for help?<<

I didn't come to you for help. Plain and simple. Read the whole post and keep things in context. The point I was trying to make is that if we knew the Divine name we would have power to heal, raise the dead and move mountains.

You wrote:
>>I smell a lying spirit here.<<

If this is an example of your discernment, you need to stick to the milk and avoid any solid food, since solid food is for the mature, who have trained themselves to DISCERN GOOD FROM EVIL. (Hebrews 5:14)
I will not take part in this kind of childish exchange.

1Corinthians 13:11: When I was a child, I used to talk like a child, and see things as a child does, and think like a child; but now that I have become an adult, I have finished with all childish ways.

If you want to give knowledgeable imput about this subject, I would love to hear what you have to say.
If you wish to discuss these things with me, please do it in an adult way or don't respond to me at all.

posted 08-01-1999 11:07 AM            

It was widely accepted that the Knights possessed an insight which eclipsed orthodox Christianity, an insight that permitted them the certainty that the Church had misinterpreted both the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection. They were nevertheless highly regarded as holy men, and were firmly attached to the Cistercian popes of the era.

In times to follow, however, the once revered knowledge of the Templars caused their persecution by the savage Dominicans of the 14th-century Inquisition. It was at that point in the history of Christianity that the last vestige of free thinking disappeared. Neither special knowledge nor access to truths counted for anything against the hard new party line of Rome. So too did all traces of the female aspect disappear, with only Mary the mother of Jesus left to represent all womankind. In practice, her semi-divine Virgin-Madonna status was so far removed from any reality that she represented no one. But for all that, a ray of hope has prevailed through the centuries - for another female light shines from the cathedrals of Notre Dame. The age-old cult of Mary Magdalene, the embodiment of the Pistis Sophia, remains fully central to the theme, and the beautiful Magdalene window at Chartres has an inscription which reads 'Donated by the Water-carriers' (the Aquarians). Mary was the bearer of the Holy Grail, she will undoubtedly become ever more prominent as the great new 'Inspiration' of the Aquarian Age- the age of renewed intellect and wisdom.

torah

posted 08-01-1999 01:23 PM            

Moses, I have no interpretation of the scriptures.

"The word was with the goddess, not my words, but the words of the scriptures."

Moses, again, I do not deny the feminine aspect of the Word of Y-H-W-H, Wisdom is often refered to as she;

Prov 1:20
20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
(KJV)

"I think we all lack understanding"

This can be agreed upon to some degree. Y-H-W-H does give us the understanding we lack;

Prov 2:6
6 For the L-RD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
(KJV)

"What does the word spiritual mean:
Spiritual: not composed of matter: dedicated to or hallowed by association with a deity: relating to sacred matters:

The laws of nature are spiritual. They are not composed of matter and are dedicated to the creator, relating to the sacred matters of nature/existence."

Just as the laws of nature re spiritual, so are the laws given in the first five books of the bible. In this case, there is an underlying meaning that exists regarding the Word of Y-H-W-H. For example;

Gal 4:22-24
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(KJV)

Even in the account of Adam and Eve, there exists an underlying meaning.

"The first family that perverted it was Yahweh/Sophia and Yahweh/Adam, when they fell from heaven."

You have taken the example out of context. The 'first family' which I was refering to was Nimrod, Semarimis, and Tammuz, not Adam and Eve. They were used by HaSatan to begin the trinitarian doctrine.

"So are you saying that you can’t perform a healing in this name?"

Read my previous reply, I don't recall making such a statement!

"Are you saying it is because you are an exorcist unknown to the divine?"

Again, read my previous reply, neither was that said.

"Have you had the evil spirits speak to you, when you tried and failed to heal?"

The 'exorcists' in the passage that was given did, and I believe the Word of Y-H-W-H!

"Did they jump into you?"

Of course not,neither did they 'jump into' the men who were mentioned;

Acts 19:16
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
(KJV)

"THERE IS POWER IN THE DIVINE NAME. Either you can heal in the name or it isn’t the name."

This example was given to show that not everyone who attempts to utilize the Power of Y-H-W-H will succeed. There is Power in the name of Yahshua! Yahshua contains the name Y-H-W-H! Also, for the record, the name Y-H-W-H is the power of the name Yahshua!

Acts 10:38
38 How G-d anointed Yahshua of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with POWER: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for G-d was with him.
(KJV)

Also;

Matt 28:18
18 And Yahshua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
(KJV)

Again, not my words, but the Word of Y-H-W-H!

"Would you PLEASE, PLEASE, give me the multitudes of information to back this up????????????"

I will e-mail you several sites to search, no problem Moses.

"I know quite well what I wrote and you are TWISTING the meaning and intent of what I wrote. YES, they had to tell us that we are deceived but they didn’t give us an understanding about what they wrote so, we don’t understand is plain to see and we are still deceived. Its all there, if we open our eyes to see with and ears to hear with. We have to have the veil lifted from our minds."

Oh, ok, I see. In other words, what they said is, 'we decieved you, but you have to figure out how, HeHeHooHooHaHHaHHaHHaH, then they laughed sadistically.' Again Moses, NO PROOF!!! Opinion will not place me in the knigdom of Y-H-W-H!

"BELIEVE ME, I take every scripture to heart. I have tested everything I have been shown against the scriptures and it ALL lines up.
Are you offended by the term “Divine supernatural force?”
Isn’t the being you worship a “Divine supernatural force?"

Of course the term doesn't offend me, Y-H-W-H is a Divine Supernatural Force, but you said, 'of some kind,' so you don't know who is revealing to you! If it be Y-H-W-H, say so!!! Or are you really unsure? If so;

I Jn 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of G_d: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(KJV)

posted 08-01-1999 04:05 PM            

quote:

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>>which spirit would that be? Ruach HaChodesh perhaps?<<

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To which you wrote:

quote:

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The fallen spirits who brought sin and death into the world. Yes, Yahweh Sophia who is the holy spirit.

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You insinuated that I wrote:

quote:

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>>Yahshua is the product of Man mating with a spirit female?<<

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Which I did not. I was merely spelling out what you seem to be insinuating in your confusing dialogue. Nevertheless, you seem to agree with it. In other words, what you seem to be saying is that Yahushua is the product of intercourse between Joseph and Sophia?

To my alleged insinuation you replied:

quote:

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That's a good analogy.

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Your discertation doesn't seem to add up, and I think that others here will agree. It is my conclusion that you are the one in need of "milk".

And you're right, I am not a nice person, not when it comes to twisted interpretations of scripture. I call it like I see it. I don't beat around the bush.

What you are saying is that the "Holy Spirit" of Yahweh is an evil woman that has led the human race down the path to destruction. That is blasphemy! Not truth.

Perhaps I am wrong in my interpretation of Who Ruach HaChodesh is, whether male or female, but I do know that the Ruach is not evil.

To this I would like to add:

Proverbs 8

quote:

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Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

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I ask, does this sound like a "Sophia"/sophist to you? Wisdom and truth yes, perverter of truth, no!

Moses(self proclaimed I suspect), just keep twisting and turning all you want, I got you by the head.

Uriah7

posted 08-01-1999 05:22 PM            

quote:

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Moses(self proclaimed I suspect),

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You have the right to stand up for what you believe Uriah7, but so does Moses, and you owe her an apology. Moses just happens to be her family name.

posted 08-01-1999 05:59 PM            

You wrote:
>>Moses, again, I do not deny the feminine aspect of the Word of Y-H-W-H, Wisdom is often refered to as she;<<

Wisdom is Sophia, the first of the "Divine Absolute's" creation. His bride who delighted him day and night.

The Hebrew word is Chekameh: cheth, khakf, mem, he: a WISE WOMAN, SKILLFUL WOMAN, MIDWIFE, WISDOM.

You quote:
>>Prov 2:6 For the L-RD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.(KJV)<<

OR: the Lord brought forth a wise woman and out of her mouth came knowledge and understanding.

Literally:
Proverbs 2
6. because burning Yahweh was flowing incessantly palate from the wise woman is skillfully wise midwife, wisdom from mouth therefore knowledge out of appointed time therefore understanding intelligence

You wrote:
>>In this case, there is an underlying meaning that exists regarding the Word of Y-H-W-H. For example; Gal 4:22-24 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.(KJV)<<

Show me one other place in all the scriptures where Israel is referred to as the bond woman. This scripture does not line up with the rest of the bible. The bond woman is always the gentiles and the free woman is Israel. The free son was Isaac, through whose bloodline the Jews sprang, the bond woman is Hagar and her child Ishmael’s offspring.

You wrote:
>>Even in the account of Adam and Eve, there exists an underlying meaning.<<

You can be sure of that!!!!!!!!!

You wrote:
>>You have taken the example out of context. The 'first family' which I was refering to was Nimrod, Semarimis, and Tammuz, not Adam and Eve.<<

Same beings with different names for different times.

You wrote:
>>They were used by HaSatan to begin the trinitarian doctrine.<<

What proof do you give to back up this statement?????

You wrote:
>>So are you saying that you can’t perform a healing in this name? Read my previous reply, I don’t recall making such a statement!<<

What are you saying?????? I asked you to heal someone and you quote a scripture that says that someone tried to heal a man and they couldn’t do it because they were exorcists. What were you trying to say????

You wrote:
>>Are you saying it is because you are an exorcist unknown to the divine?" Again, read my previous reply, neither was that said.<<

Again I ask, what exactly were you saying????

You wrote:
>>"Have you had the evil spirits speak to you, when you tried and failed to heal?"
The 'exorcists' in the passage that was given did, and I believe the Word of Y-H-W-H!<<

Please read my question again and answer it, plain and simple, yes or no.
I didn’t question the scriptures, I questioned your ability to do the same using the name you have. Answer my questions, please.

You wrote:
>>This example was given to show that not everyone who attempts to utilize the Power of Y-H-W-H will succeed. There is Power in the name of Yahshua! Yahshua contains the name Y-H-W-H! Also, for the record, the name Y-H-W-H is the power of the name Yahshua!<<

Have you tested the spirit to see if this is the name???? How many people have you raised from the dead???? Or how many people have you healed???? How many mountains have you caused to move from one location to another in this name?????

You quote:
>>Acts 10:38 How G-d anointed Yahshua of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with POWER: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for G-d was with him.(KJV)<<

I must ask, why are you quoting this scripture? Are you saying that you aren’t anointed or that G-d isn’t with you?

You wrote:
>>Again, not my words, but the Word of Y-H-W-H!<<

WHAT IS YOUR POINT!!!!!!
I’m sorry, but I am trying to follow what you are saying, but when you merely quote scripture without putting it into context, I don’t know what point you are trying to make. If I have missed something, which apparently I have, forgive me. Please explain where you are coming from.

You wrote:
>>"Would you PLEASE, PLEASE, give me the multitudes of information to back this up????????????"
I will e-mail you several sites to search, no problem Moses.<<

I would appreciate that very much. I have studied this for some time now and have not found anything concrete. If you e-mailed me, I didn't receive it.

You wrote:
>>Oh, ok, I see. In other words, what they said is, 'we decieved you, but you have to figure out how, HeHeHooHooHaHHaHHaHHaH, then they laughed sadistically.' Again Moses, NO PROOF!!! Opinion will not place me in the knigdom of Y-H-W-H!<<

Neither will sarcasm or complacency.

You wrote:
>>Of course the term doesn't offend me, Y-H-W-H is a Divine Supernatural Force, but you said, 'of some kind,' so you don't know who is revealing to you! If it be Y-H-W-H, say so!!! Or are you really unsure? If so;<<

So, you tell me, what kind of Supernatural force is the “Divine Absolute?” IF YOU KNOW!!!!!

You quote once again:
>>I Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of G_d: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.(KJV)<<

Please tell me how you test the spirits??? I have tested them many times and they always give supernatural evidence. Please share how you are testing them?

Shalom, Moses

posted 08-01-1999 06:46 PM            

Moses, I apologize for casting aspersions upon your name.

As for what you are saying, this recent revelation concerning yourself gives me more insight as to where you are coming from.

So tell me Moses, what spirit was it that inhabited Yahshua?

And what specific means do you use for testing the spirits?

posted 08-01-1999 07:23 PM            

And who do you say that the Holy Spirit is?

quote:
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The so called trinity, which is "The Father", The Son/Adam, and The Holy Spirit/mother/Sophia. These are the beings that are directly from the Father and everything else proceeded from the three of them. They are each from the Father but each one is a distinct beings, having its own individual nature and forum, but each being in the likeness of the Father.
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Or, to be more precise;

quote:
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It sounds pretty much to me that Joseph is the father of Yahushua. However his mother is the one who is the Holy Spirit. It was the wife of Yahweh, Sophia who gave birth. She is called the Queen of Heaven by the Catholic church.
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My response:

quote:

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So, Yahshua is the product of Man mating with a spirit female? Hmm, I thought Yashua said the the father is a spirit? John 4:23,24

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Let's just ignore John 4:23,24 for a moment. Could you be more specific in your response to the above last question? Just how did Yahshua make his appearance here on the earth among man?

And if you would please, also answer the questions specifically from my last post as well. I would greatly appreciate it.

posted 08-02-1999 11:01 PM            

I don't see anything challenging about your questions. The first one has already been answered and the second one is a matter of personal experiance, that can't be challenged. I know what I know.
What I do see is someone trying to get into a mudslinging arguement and I don't care to wallow in the mud with you.

If you have any sincere questions that will enlighten anyone, than ask away. If you have anything to add to what has been said that you can back up with scripture to refute what I have said, please give it.

posted 08-03-1999 03:42 PM            

1(Joseph Klausner, Jesus Of Nazareth, Ó1944, pgs. 234 and 263)

2( John Kitto, Illustrated History Of The Bible, 37-38) - to establish the fact that errors occurred in copying

3(McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia Of Biblical, Theological, And Ecclesiastical Literature, Ó1968, "New Testament")

4(George M. Lamsa, The Holy Bible From Ancient Eastern Manuscripts, Ó1967, pg. XI)

5(E.W. Bullinger, Companion Bible, Ó1972, Appendix No. 94, pg. 134)

6(Matthew Black, An Aramaic Approach To The Gospels And Acts, Ó1967)

7(The Oxford Dictionary Of The Christian Church, "Aramaic")

8(Charles Cutler Torrey, Documents Of The Primitive Church, Ó1941; Our Translated Gospels, Ó1936)

9(Solomon Zeitlin, Jewish Quarterly Review, Vol. 34 [1943/Oct] No. 2, "Judaism As A Religion")

10(Albert Schweitzer, The Quest Of The Historical Jesus, Ó1968, pgs. 275-276)

posted 08-03-1999 05:04 PM            

"Wisdom is Sophia, the first of the "Divine Absolute's" creation. His bride who delighted him day and night.
The Hebrew word is Chekameh: cheth, khakf, mem, he: a WISE WOMAN, SKILLFUL WOMAN, MIDWIFE, WISDOM."

-With regard to the Wisdom of the Creator being feminine, Amen.

"OR: the Lord brought forth a wise woman and out of her mouth came knowledge and understanding.
Literally:
Proverbs 2
6. because burning Yahweh was flowing incessantly palate from the wise woman is skillfully wise midwife, wisdom from mouth therefore knowledge out of appointed time therefore understanding intelligence"

-Still, this is YOUR method of translation, is it so with the Creator? If so, prove it!!!

"Show me one other place in all the scriptures where Israel is referred to as the bond woman. This scripture does not line up with the rest of the bible. The bond woman is always the gentiles and the free woman is Israel. The free son was Isaac, through whose bloodline the Jews sprang, the bond woman is Hagar and her child Ishmael’s offspring."

-My friend, you missed the point. This passage was shown to give credence to the fact that there is an underlying meaning to the scriptures, an allegory, to put it is Paul did. The passage in question actually refers to two Israels. Those who accept Yahshua are the children of the ‘freewoman/Sarah" and those who have rejected Yahshua are children of the "bondwoman/Hagar." To go any further than this will cause us to leave the topic at hand. It is not a question of Jews and Gentiles, but of Believers and Non-believers.

"You can be sure of that!!!!!!!!!"

-In reference to the underlying meaning of Adam and Eve, Amen.

"Same beings with different names for different times."

-To say that Adam and Eve are synonymous with Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz, is questionable. Proof please!!!

"What proof do you give to back up this statement?????"

-The fact that the term ‘trinity’ nor ‘triune g-d’ appears in the bible IS PROOF!!! My friend, the burden of proof is on you, concerning that matter. How can you say that the bible teaches something that is not mentioned? Are they your ideas or the Creator’s? They definitely are not the Creator’s, if so, show me scripturally. If not, they had to have come from somewhere, and since this doctrine existed thousands of years ago, that cancels out the possibility that they could be your own, so where did they come from, these doctrines of the trinity?

"What are you saying?????? I asked you to heal someone and you quote a scripture that says that someone tried to heal a man and they couldn’t do it because they were exorcists. What were you trying to say????"

-I misunderstood your reply. I thought you were saying that your brother-in-law could not be healed in the name Y-H-W-H, and because of that, Y-H-W-H could not be the divine name. Now, if this is a question directed to me, I would have to say NO! I am not able to heal, the reason being is that it is not the will of the Creator that I do so. Not every believer is blessed with that gift, which comes from the Creator. In reference to "spiritual gifts," Paul says:

1 Cor 12:9
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
(KJV)

Which shows that the Creator dispenses the gifts to different people. Also:

1 Cor 12:28-30
28 And G-d hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
(KJV)

Again, the Creator does not give all believers the gift of healing, "…have all the gifts of healing…" implying that not everyone will be able to heal, and I do not possess that gift.

"You wrote:
>>"Have you had the evil spirits speak to you, when you tried and failed to heal?"
The 'exorcists' in the passage that was given did, and I believe the Word of Y-H-W-H!<<
Please read my question again and answer it, plain and simple, yes or no.
I didn’t question the scriptures, I questioned your ability to do the same using the name you have. Answer my questions, please."

-This was answered above, but for the record, NO! I do not have the gift of healing.

"Have you tested the spirit to see if this is the name???? How many people have you raised from the dead???? Or how many people have you healed???? How many mountains have you caused to move from one location to another in this name?????"

-No, I haven’t raised people from the dead! Again, I have healed no one! Neither have I caused mountains to move! As far as the name goes, this need not be ‘tested,’ it is revealed by the Creator, to those who seek to know Him diligently and, with a broken heart and a contrite spirit!

Isa 57:15
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
(KJV)

Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to G-d must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(KJV)

"You quote:
>>Acts 10:38 How G-d anointed Yahshua of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with POWER: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for G-d was with him.(KJV)<<
I must ask, why are you quoting this scripture? Are you saying that you aren’t anointed or that G-d isn’t with you"

-This scripture was quoted to show, along with the other scripture given, that Yahshua was given power over all things. Read my previous reply. Whether I am annointed or whether the Creator is with me was never an issue.

"WHAT IS YOUR POINT!!!!!!
I’m sorry, but I am trying to follow what you are saying, but when you merely quote scripture without putting it into context, I don’t know what point you are trying to make. If I have missed something, which apparently I have, forgive me. Please explain where you are coming from."

-My point, as always, when that statement is made, is that the things that I am conveying to you are not my thoughts, nor my opinions, nor my doctrines, BUT THE WORD OF Y-H-W-H!!!

"You wrote:
>>Oh, ok, I see. In other words, what they said is, 'we decieved you, but you have to figure out how, HeHeHooHooHaHHaHHaHHaH, then they laughed sadistically.' Again Moses, NO PROOF!!! Opinion will not place me in the kingdom of Y-H-W-H!<<
Neither will sarcasm or complacency."

-True indeed, but you left yourself wide open for that one )

"So, you tell me, what kind of Supernatural force is the "Divine Absolute?" IF YOU KNOW!!!!!"

-1 Cor 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called g-ds, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be g-ds many, and l-rds many,)
6 But to us there is but one G-d, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one L-rd Yahshua HaMashiach, by whom are all things, and we by him.
(KJV)

As Paul says, there are ‘g-ds many and l-rds many,’ To say a ‘supernatural force of some kind,’ leaves the door open to be any supernatural force, be it the ‘Divine Absolute,’ or any demonic force. I know that I serve Y-H-W-H, and the Creator is not just a ‘supernatural force of some kind,’ "…besides Y-H-W-H, THERE IS NO MIGHTY ONE!" My statement was not in regards to the essence or make up of a ’supernatural force,’ but to the identity of the one with whom you are dealing. To answer you question about ‘what kind of Supernatural force is the Divine Absolute,’ allow the scriptures to teach you:

Gen 21:33
33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the L-RD, the everlasting God.
(KJV)

Exod 20:11
11 For in six days the L-RD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the L-RD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(KJV)

Exod 15:11
11 Who is like unto thee, O L-RD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
(KJV)

posted 08-03-1999 05:10 PM            

Matt 16:26
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
(KJV)