posted 07-15-1999 11:10 PM            

Was Mariam a god? If not, was she a human who was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit?
If the answer is the later, we have a problem, since we know that crossbreding was condemned by Yahweh. I know that some say that spirit beings can't mate with humans (which I don't agree with), if that is the case how did the Holy Spirit mate with Mariam? If the Holy Spirit did mate with Mariam and if Mariam was a human then the birth of Yahushua was an abomination to Yahweh.

posted 07-16-1999 03:55 PM            

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(KJV)

This passage shows that:

(1) in the beginning the Word Of G-D existed, it was by His Word that G-D brought all things into being;

Ps 33:6
6 By the Word of the L-RD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
(KJV)

(2) the Word was co-existent with G-D, hence we read;

Gen 1:26
26 And G-d said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...
(KJV)

(3) the Word is said to be G-D, which would explain who G-D was talking to when this was said;

Ps 45:7
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore G-d, thy G-d, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
(KJV)

and also;

Phil 2:5-6
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua:
6 Who, being in the form of G-d, thought it not robbery to be equal with G-d:
(KJV)

"Therefore G-D, Thy G-D," not I , but the scriptures proclaim that Yahshua is in fact G-D, and the fact that G-D was annointed, points to he fact that G-D would also be Mashiach. Not my "doctrine," but the sound doctrine of which Paul spoke.
Returning to our starting point, the Word, which co-existed with G-d, and was called G-D by none other than our Heavenly Father Y-H-W-H, also did this;

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(KJV)

Again, not my words nor "doctrine," but G-D's. So, in addition to being the "only begotten Son of G-D, Yahshua is in fact G-D too.

I have not even scratched the surface on the multitude of passages that prove, beyond a shadow of doubt that Yahshua is G-D, but I hope that you can at least see that this was not an invention of my own. I was merely sharing what the scriptures speak of.

posted 07-16-1999 04:01 PM            

Gen 1:26
26 And G-d said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(KJV)

Let's start from here. If mankind was made in the image and likeness of G-D, would it really be crossbreeding?

posted 07-16-1999 04:15 PM            

Gen 18:14
14 Is any thing too hard for the L-RD? (KJV)

Think about this quesion Moses, meditate on it.
-Why was it asked?
-Consider the situation for which it was put forth.
-Was G-D "teaching" us something by putting it forth?
-If so, what?
-Besides, a woman can be impregnated today, without knowing a man via invitro ferilization, so is it really impossible if G-D caused His Word to impregnate a woman? -Is there anything that G-D cannot do, besides go contrary to His Word?

posted 07-16-1999 08:33 PM            

1. What exactly is G-d?

posted 07-16-1999 08:47 PM            

How can he be the seed of David, the root of David, from David's loins, from David's bowels - but IS God? (Rev 22:6) Does this make the covenant with David non affect?
(2 Samuel 7:12-16)

If Yahshua IS G-D, who is the great voice out of heaven? (Rev 21:3-4) Who is sitting on the throne? (Rev 21:5) And who is the Lamb? Rev 21: 22)

IF Yahshua is G-D, whose spirit decended upon Him after his baptism? (Matt 17:5)

According to Yahshua, if no man has seen or heard G-D, how can He BE G-D? (John 1:18) Whose Glory did Moses see? Whose voice did Moses hear? (Exodus 33:9-23)

If Yahshua is G-D, then man HAS heard his voice and has seen him - which would make Yahshua a lie - G-D forbid!

posted 07-17-1999 07:22 PM            

Deuteronomy 31
19) Now, then, write this song and teach it to the sons of Israel. Put it in their mouths, so that this song will be for a witness to Me against the sons of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32 (from the song)
3) because of the name YHUH I will proclaim greatness to our Elohy
4) the ROCK, whose work is perfect...

15) But Yeshrun (Israel) grew fat and kicked; fat, thick and stubborn. And he abandoned his Eloah who had made him and dishonored the ROCK of his salvation.
18) You forgot to remember the ROCK that begot you, the El who formed you.

2 Samuel 22
1) And David spoke to YHUH the words of this song...
2) And he said, YHUH my ROCK and my fortress and my deliverer.
3) My Eloah, my ROCK, I take refuge in You...
32) For who is El except YHUH? And who is a ROCK except our Elohy?
47) YHUH lives! And blessed is my ROCK and exalted is Eloah the ROCK who delivers me.

Psalm 18 (a Psalm of David)
2) YHUH is my ROCK, my fortress and my deliverer. My El, my ROCK, I will trust in You...
31) For who is El besides YHUH? And who is a ROCK except our Eloah?
46) YHUH lives! Blessed be my ROCK and let the Eloah of my salvation be exalted!

Psalm 28 (of David)
1) To You YHUH I will call, my ROCK, do not be silent to me...

Psalm 31
2) Bow down Your ear to me; deliver me quickly; be a ROCK of strength to me...
3) You are my ROCK and my fortress...
5) Into Your hand I commit my spirit...

Psalm 71
3) Be a ROCK of refuge for me, to which I may always go...You are my ROCK and my fortress.

Psalm 89
26) He will cry to Me, My Father You are my El, my ROCK of salvation.
27) And I will make him My firstborn; higher than the kings of the earth.

Isaiah 8
13) Sanctify YHUH of hosts; fear Him, dread Him
15) and He will become a sanctuary and a STONE of stumbling and a ROCK falling to the two houses of Israel; for a trap and a snare to the dweller of Jerusalem.

Isaiah 28
16) Therefore YHUH says this, Behold, I set a STONE in Zion, a STONE of testing, a valuable cornerstone, a sure foundation; the faithful will not hurry.

Matthew 7 (YAHUSHUA says)
24) Therefore, everyone who hears these words from Me, and does them, I will compare him to a wise man who built his house on the ROCK;

Matthew 16
16) ...Simon Peter said,
You are the Messiah, the Son of the living Eloah.
17) And answering YAHUSHUA said to him,...flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father in the heavens.
18) And I also say to you because you are Peter, and upon this ROCK I build My assembly...

Torah

posted 07-17-1999 09:23 PM            

Dear Raybag,

We are of one mind concerning this topic.
In my eyes, YHUH IS Yahshua, and Yahshua IS the will/word, of the father. The "only begotton", The spirit of truth, the light and the way, manifested and revealed unto the sons. For NO ONE can come unto the father EXCEPT by Yahshua, because Yahshua IS THE WILL/WORD of the father.

I pray, that he continue to guide and keep you viligent and strong in the faith that overcomes all. even the world. May his words be in your mouth, and the fruits of his spirit be in your being even as he teaches and reveals himself to you.

Shalom.

My dear friend Moses, whom I love and pray for, even as I pray for myself. Our friendship and our many hours of conversation have brought us almost equal in our agreements as our disagreements.
Here is just a "thought".

It is my understanding that to "mate" or to have "intercourse" that "penetration" must take place.
I don't veiw the heavenly father as "mating" with mary, but rather "placing" the holy spirit in a "specially prepared womb".

I don't think of Mary as a "god", I think of her as one chosen to inhabit the holy spirit, to bring forth the fulfillment of what has been written.

I don't consider Yahshua born of "blood", but only the "flesh" which is a "veil" that he wore for a short time for our benefit.
Like John said, one who comes "after me", who was "before" me. Though "john" would have been the "older one" due to Elizabeth already being pregnant when Mary "concieved", so to speak. But Mary did not give "birth" to Yahshua, only the flesh he wore, so that all may be fulfilled.
I think of Yahshua as "g-d" due to the fact that YHUH said that he is our saviour and there is no other. so to me...
to separate YAHUAH AND YAH(SH)UAH, And to call on Yahshua as my saviour would be denying that Yahuah is indeed the saviour and creator of the world.

Just a thought.
Love, DeAnna.

Dear Sis Juanita,

My heart and prayers are ever with you, and has been heavy for you. Though I do not know you personally, a few people have mentioned to me how truly faithful you are.
When you get a chance, if you wouldn't mind, would you please answer the same questions you asked. I would very much like to know (or try too) your understanding of these questions, (good ones I might add) that you posted.
Shalom,
DeAnna,

Dear Yscribe,

I am most impressed with your post, and have copied it for future reference.
I agree that he comes by "revelation", and not by "observation".

Many blessings to you!
shalom,
DeAnna

posted 07-17-1999 09:27 PM            

What does Immanuel mean? Does it mean "god is with us"? like the scripture says?
Can you look it up for me?

posted 07-19-1999 01:51 AM            

We know that there were more than one elohim who did the creating in Genesis chapter one, "and let ‘US’ create man in ‘OUR’ image. Therefore, if Yahushua is an elohim how would that makes him the father?

Torah wrote:
>>why did they name him Yeshua/Jesus when they were told they would call him IMMANU EL<<

I don’t believe this scripture says to call the future messiah Immanu El. Here is how I have literally translated the Hebrew scripture.

Isaiah 7
14. to you permanently Adoni himself to you agreement be pleased the young maiden Harah alas child offspring therefore which from Amen and El.

RayBaG wrote:
>>Let's start from here. If mankind was made in the image and likeness of G-D, would it really be crossbreeding?<<

Starting from Genesis 1:26, proceed to Genesis 6 and read how the "sons of god" mated with the daughters of man, and how Yahweh destroyed the whole earth because of this. These same "sons of god" are definitely in the image of god. But they are spirit beings, not flesh and blood.

You wrote:>>one more thing; Gen 18:1414 Is any thing too hard for the L-RD?<>a woman can be impregnated today, without knowing a man via invitro ferilization, so is it really impossible if G-D caused His Word to impregnate a woman?<>Is there anything that G-D cannot do, besides go contrary to His Word?<Torah wrote:
>>What exactly is G-d?<<

The Hebrew word Elohim, which is translated into God is: ahleph, lahmed, he, yodh, mem: ahleph, lahmed, he: = goddess and yodh, mem = hot spring or sea. The hot springs held building blocks of life.

My dear friend wrote:
>>It is my understanding that to "mate" or to have "intercourse" that "penetration" must take place.<<

Genesis 6 says nothing about having intercourse and the word mate means:
1) one of a pare or companion
2) one that is associated in any action with another.
3) a person with whom one is on good and usually familiar terms
4) a marriage partner

I don’t believe that it was/is the intercourse that was/is the abomination, it was/is the product of that union, the hybrid being, which is against the natural order Yahweh created, which is why Yahweh sent the flood to destroy them all.

Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on earth in those days (and even afterwards) when the sons of god resorted to the women and had children by them.

You wrote:
>>I don't consider Yahshua born of "blood", but only the "flesh"<<
I would have to say that He was definitely born of blood according to what the scriptures say. Read:
John 19:34: instead, one of the soldiers pierced Yahushua’s side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

1John 5:6: This is the one who came by water and blood Yahushua Messiah. He did NOT come by water only, but by water and blood.

Humans have blood running through their veins, but spirits are of water.

You asked Torah:

>>What does Immanuel mean?<<

It is the names, Amen and El.