posted 08-10-1999 10:46 PM            

What we have here is the whole world, less a tiny remnant, that seeks after and worships Iaue's adversary- namely Jesus/Satan. Of course he has many other names, and has had countless names throughout the millenniums. But when people seek after their (strange) elohim with all of their heart and soul, and sincerely desire to serve their elohim well, it is still an abomination to Heaven. This is what I was meaning. It is clear that throughout history, people have desired to honestly and sincerely serve their elohim. They fear them, try to appease them with offerings, have all kinds of strange rituals and beliefs, but it does nothing for them in the end. They will not receive salvation, and that is the ultimate goal here.

Iaue says that it is human (carnal) nature to love to hear the lies, and to hate the truth. It is clear that such is the case. Only a few will turn from their wicked ways, confess guilt, repent and ask forgiveness from a pure heart and make the committment to enter into IAUE's Covenant. This is the only way to eternal life and salvation. Iaue is the only one that can do these things. Praise His Name forever and ever. HalleluIa!

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Shalom to all...

posted 08-11-1999 12:07 AM            

Could you please be a little bit more specific. If I have come across in a bad manner, I want to know. I don’t mean to, it is very hard to come across in a positive manner when you disagree with someone. Much of the time it is simply the fact that two don’t agree that makes one or the other sound harsh. It sounds toooo much like fighting.

You wrote:
>>I see quite the opposite.<<

You couldn’t be further from the truth in this matter. Please, tell me, just what it is that you see.

You wrote:
>>You should listen more to what others here have to say instead of being so excited and eager to "put them in their place".<<

I spend most of my time listening and learning from others. So much so, that some here think I am new to this forum. Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black here, doesn’t it.
You need to go back and check, each and every one of my posts and you will see that I have never, done what it is that you are doing here and now, and that is merely butting in to try and put me in my place.
I don’t post unless I have a comment about something I have seen in the scriptures, that I want input about. Then I answer replies to what I have posted. If I am accused of something I defend myself, I will not have my integrity questioned without a defense.

You wrote:
>>You stated that Iaue does not deceive, but He states that He does. 2Thessalonians 2:11<<

Please don’t take scriptures out of context. Lets start at verse 9 to get a clear understanding of what is being said here.

2Thessalonians 2:9-11: But the coming of the wicked One will be marked by Satan being at work in all kinds of counterfeit miracles and signs and wonders, and every wicked deception aimed at those who are on the way to destruction BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH AND SO BE SAVED. Therefore "Theos" sends on them a power that deludes people so that they believe what is false, and so that those who do not believe the truth and take their pleasure in wickedness may all be condemned.

We can see from this scripture that it is those who do not have a love for the truth that can be deceived. EVERYBODY who seeks, diligently with a sincere heart will be given truth.

You wrote:
>>1Kings 22:22<<

You need to read the whole story and put this into context. A spirit is allowed to deceive a people whom Yahweh had already pronounced disaster on.
1Kings 22:21-23: A spirit then came forward and stood before Yahweh and said, "I will entice him." "How?" Yahweh asked. He replied, ‘I shall go and be a deceptive spirit in the mouths of all his prophets." Yahweh said, you will succeed in enticing him. Go and do it.’ And now, you see, Yahweh has a deceptive spirit in the mouths of all your prophets here, for in fact Yahweh has pronounced disaster on you.’

We are talking war here. The king of Israel (Ahab) and Jehoshaphat king of Judah were about to go and attack Ramoth in Gilead and Jehoshaphat was a little hesitant to follow the advice of the prophets, because he said they always prophesied against him.

This does not say that Yahweh will deceive those who are diligently seeking him, so that they only think they are seeking him!!!!!

You wrote:
>>2Chronicles 18:21<<

This is the same story as the last scripture you quoted.
Also the Yahweh spoken of in these scriptures is the wife Yahweh. Notice in both texts, it says "I saw Yahweh seated on his throne," NOBODY has EVER seen Yahweh.

You wrote:
>>Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I Iaue do all these things.<<

Again, this is the wife Yahweh/Sophia who created evil, not the "Divine Absolute."

You wrote:
>>You said that Catholics, Buddhists, etc. can be truly seeking Iaue, but that is not true either.<<

I can’t believe you are saying that a Catholic, Buddhist or anybody of a belief that differs from your own can’t seek the "Divine Absolute." This is simply NOT true. ANYBODY can seek and search for truth and ANYBODY who seeks diligently with a pure heart WILL find the truth.

You wrote:
>>We can know them by their fruits.<<

Then why don’t you know me and my fruits? You calm that I have bad fruit and am not truly seeking. You do not know me or my fruits. Yet you judge me.

You wrote:
>>They are 'sincerely' seeking His adversary and the lusts and deceits of their own hearts, every man doing what's right in his own eyes.<<

You are making judgments that you are not qualified to make. Why do you think you are any better off????
Aren’t you doing what is right in your OWN EYES????? All any of us can do is seek and believe what we see as truth. If someone is born into a religion that differs from yours are they doomed merely by birth? If you are taught all your life that one religion is the right one, that is the one you will follow. You will continue to follow that religious teaching, unless you pray constantly and the "Divine Absolute" shows you truth.

You wrote:
>>There aren't any that seek Iaue, no not one. But there is a tiny remnant, a few, the elect, that are seeking Iaue and keeping His commandments.<<

You are quoting Romans 3:10 out of context. You need to go back and read the whole chapter. They were talking about the Jews as opposed to the Greeks, Romans and Barbarians. The Gentiles had just been grafted into the family and they now thought they were better than the Natural Jews, Paul tells them that they are all sinners and there is no race or religion that has not sinned. We are all alike under the bonds of sin.

I have a question for you. If you think anyone can be deceived into thinking they are seeking, how do you know you aren’t deceived? What are the fruits you look for??? How do you know when you are truly seeking?? If Catholics, Buddhists, and so on can’t truly seek, who can??

You wrote:

>>This is the only way to eternal life and salvation. Iaue is the only one that can do these things.<<

How do you know that you are being deceived into believeing this?

posted 08-13-1999 05:24 PM            

From the Book of Revelation:

posted 08-13-1999 06:02 PM            

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I can’t believe you are saying that a Catholic, Buddhist or anybody of a belief that differs from your own can’t seek the "Divine Absolute." This is simply NOT true. ANYBODY can seek and search for truth and ANYBODY who seeks diligently with a pure heart WILL find the truth.

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Yes moses, ANYBODY can seek the truth, but you won't find it in Catholism, Buddhism etc.

For Yahweh so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life John 3:16

Moses, if you don't mind answering one more question. Just what is truth, and where do you find it? (or two)

posted 08-13-1999 11:11 PM            

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For Yahweh so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life John 3:16

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Would you please provide the OT Hebrew Scriptures that verify or backup this statement?

posted 08-15-1999 02:25 AM            

Could you please tell me why you think these scriptures are tied together with John 3:16?
Go back to Isaiah 53:8 which reads: "Forcibly, after sentence, he was taken."

Show me NT scripture that says that Iesous was forcibly taken!!! The NT says that he went willingly.

What kind of a loving father would be pleased to bruise his only begotten son? Or as my bible says:
Isaiah 53:10 (NJB) It was Yahweh’s GOOD PLEASURE to crush him with pain: If he gives his life as a sin offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his life, and through him Yahweh’s good pleasure will be done.

When did Iesous have offspring and if he had them, when did he see them? When was his life prolonged? I guess the only way Yahweh’s good pleasure is served is when he gets to crush him with pain.

Isaiah 53:12: Hence I shall give him a portion with the many, and he will share the booty with the mighty.

Since when does Iesous have to share with the many mighty?

Shalom, Moses

posted 08-15-1999 12:22 PM            

Also, these verses provide no proof that YHUH supposedly loved the world so much(that He would sacrifice His son for it).

Torah

posted 08-15-1999 05:13 PM            

Do both of you reject the scriptures? By scriptures I mean Genesis through Revelation.

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With love in His service,

posted 08-16-1999 02:28 AM            

I have been receiving quite a bit of email from some here at the Forum that is quite critical. And now you also are questioning me. If you do not want me here at your forum because I see the NT somewhat different than you, just tell me.

When I first began posting in May I noticed that debating seemed to be the the popular thing and so I have fallen into that pattern, but because I am very critical of the NT and post things that offer different view points you seem only to focus on this and totally disregard all my other posts.

I too like Moses believe we are living in the time of the apostasy. I believe we are wondering around in the wilderness just like the Israelites did for 40 years, and when it was finally time for them to cross over the Jordan Moses told them that up to that point each one had been doing what they thought was right in his or her own eyes. Is this not a perfect picture of today? Everyone claims they are the ones doing things the right way. Well I claim that none of us know exactly the right way, but the time is coming that all will be revealed. There will be no more discrepencies or guessing, because the Anointed One of YAHUAH will come and will rule and reign in Jerusalem and everything will be made perfectly clear. Then we will be able to choose rightly because truth will reign.

Praise YAHUAH