posted 08-03-1999 05:34 PM            

Personal salvation doesn't depend on whether or not a person believes that Yeshua is deity, but whether he believes that Yeshua is the Messiah.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

posted 08-04-1999 05:39 AM            

Can you prove that the rules that are applied to the Hebrew language were there 6000 years ago?
Is the traditional means of translating, the "Divine Absolute’s" way of translating? Prove it!

You wrote:
>>My friend, you missed the point. This passage was shown to give credence to the fact that there is an underlying meaning to the scriptures, an allegory, to put it is Paul did.<<

You missed my point!!!!! If this scripture is not in accordance with the rest of the bible, it is not reliable.

You wrote:
>>The fact that the term ‘trinity’ nor ‘triune g-d’ appears in the bible IS PROOF!!! My friend, the burden of proof is on you, concerning that matter. How can you say that the bible teaches something that is not mentioned<<

I have never mentioned the trinity. You have misunderstood something I have said. Please go back and show me what I said that you thought was advocating a trinity.

You wrote:
>>I misunderstood your reply. I thought you were saying that your brother-in-law could not be healed in the name Y-H-W-H, and because of that, Y-H-W-H could not be the divine name.<<

In essence I did say that.

You wrote:
>>Not every believer is blessed with that gift, which comes from the Creator. In reference to "spiritual gifts,"<<

Do you know anyone who has the gift of healing in this name?

You wrote:
>>As far as the name goes, this need not be ‘tested,’ it is revealed by the Creator, to those who seek to know Him diligently and, with a broken heart and a contrite spirit!<<

I have been seeking diligently with a spirit that is so contrite that at times I feel as if my insides will burst open and my heart will literally break. I have dedicating the past 10 years to nothing else. There are days that go by that I never stop aching inside, with a grief that I can’t explain, to the point that I don’t pray with words, I pray with aching and moaning.

You wrote:
>>This scripture was quoted to show, along with the other scripture given, that Yahshua was given power over all things.<<

I didn’t know that we were debating Yahushua’s power and where it came from. I thought we were discussing whether or not Yahweh is the name of the "Divine Absolute."

You wrote:
>>My point, as always, when that statement is made, is that the things that I am conveying to you are not my thoughts, nor my opinions, nor my doctrines, BUT THE WORD OF
Y-H-W-H!!!<<

Are you saying you are a divine prophet who is given divine authority to speak the mind of the "Divine Absolute?" You keep telling me that everything you say is the word of YHWH, then you quote some scripture that has little to do with what we are discussing. Are you saying that merely what you quote from scripture is the word of YHWH, OR are you saying that your interpretation of that scripture is the word of YHWH?

You wrote:
>>To say a ‘supernatural force of some kind,’ leaves the door open to be any supernatural force, be it the ‘Divine Absolute,’ or any demonic force.<<

It only leaves the door wide open to robbers and thieves. You know I was not implying that it was an evil force of any sort. What I was implying was that I don’t understand the nature of the supernatural forces, period.
You keep implying that it is a demonic force that is teaching me, simply because I don’t agree with you. I know my heart and the fruits it bears and so does the "Divine Absolute." My Divine heavenly father will not leave me nor forsake me to a demonic spirit, when I am seeking him with all my being.

Do you think the "Divine Absolute" would let a demon spirit teach someone who meditates on him day and night? Don’t you think the "Divine Absolute" protects those who diligently seek him from evil forces?? If you are implying that I am being lead by an evil spirit, how do you suppose this could happen???

You wrote:
>>I know that I serve Y-H-W-H, and the Creator is not just a ‘supernatural force of some kind,’<<

Then what is he?????

Supernatural
1) beyond the observable physical world
2) relating to, or proceeding from an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe.
3) being much more than is natural or normal.
4) going beyond a normal or acceptable limit.

Force:
1) exceptional strength or energy
2) body (as of persons) available for a purpose
3) influence (as a push or pull) that causes motion.
4) the ability to exert effort for a purpose.
5) THE QUALITY OF AN UTTERANCE THAT AROUSES INTEREST AND PRODUCES AN EFFECT.
6) THE EXERCISE OF POWER IN ORDER TO IMPOSE ONE’S WILL ON A PERSON OR TO HAVE ONE’S WILL WITH A THING.

You wrote:
>>My statement was not in regards to the essence or make up of a ’supernatural force,’ but to the identity of the one with whom you are dealing.<<

Just who do you think the one is that I am dealing with??????

You wrote:
>>Is Yahshua also Divine?<<

What do you mean by Divine???
Webster say divine: supremely good, clergyman, one duly ordained to the service of God in the Christian church, to know or expect in advance that something will happen or come into existence or be made manifest, of or relating to God or a god, like or like that of God or a god, superior or outstanding of its kind.

Deity: = a god or goddess

You wrote:
>>This question is vital to the salvation of us all.<<

How is it vital to our salvation?????

posted 08-04-1999 06:08 PM            

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It sounds pretty much to me that Joseph is the father of Yahushua. However his mother is the one who is the Holy Spirit. It was the wife of Yahweh, Sophia who gave birth. She is called the Queen of Heaven by the Catholic church.
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To which you have agreed, which brings us to the question; Who is Yahshua?

I stand in agreement with Katar, on these verses(I would like to add to your viewpoint Katar, there's more. I mean, not just that he is Messiah);

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Personal salvation doesn't depend on whether or not a person believes that Yeshua is deity, but whether he believes that Yeshua is the Messiah.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

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Do you have a coherent discertation on this passage for us, especially in light of the above quote from you?

I may not understand or fully comprehend the full nature of Yahshua, but I know that Joseph is not the Messiahs father. Remember Matthew 1:18;

Now the birth of Yahshua Messiah was on this wise: When as his mother Miriam was espoused to Yoseph, BEFORE they came together, she was found with child of the Ruach HaChodesh

Now, if Ruach is "Sophia"(a greek word meaning literary prevaricator, not wisdom) as you insinuate, and Yahshua is the product of The Ruach and Miriam(To which you apparently don't agree, you say it's Yoseph and "Sophia", to which the scripture does not agree, else, how would Yoseph "put her away" as he contemplated in the next verse. Or was Yoseph really Yahweh the father, but, how would you know this as the Father is unknowable),then this would have to have been a lesbian affair, no?

Now as for your translations of the scriptures, any 6th grader can write down all the possible translations for each root word used in the Strongs Concordance, and produce the same irrational, incoherent and subjective gnosis type sentence structures that you have(Bagwan Rajneeshi would be real proud of you).

The real trick is to say it in English so that we can all understand, and keep each other from adding our own viewpoints as we see fit.

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Do you think the "Divine Absolute" would let a demon spirit teach someone who meditates on him day and night? Don’t you think the "Divine Absolute" protects those who diligently seek him from evil forces?? If you are implying that I am being lead by an evil spirit, how do you suppose this could happen???

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Hmmm? How can you meditate on something you don't know? In fact, how do you really know it's a him? If you don't know the father(The Divine Absolute), what makes you think that you can tell us who the Son is.

As for me, I know my father. Yahshua said;

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I am the way, the truth(Try a word study on "truth", especially Psalm 119:142) and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen(from the greek word "orahu", does not mean physically see, but to fully perceive) him.

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Psalm 1 vs. 2

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But his delight is in the Torah of Yahweh; and in his Torah doth he meditate day and night.

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And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

For if our heart condemn us, El is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things,

Beloved, if our hearth condemn us not, then have we confidence toward El.

And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

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Now I ask you Moses. Just how do you think that you can please someone if you don't know them? And if you don't know the Father, how will you describe the Son?

Oh, and please, don't forget to answer the earlier questions while your attempting to use my aggression as a smoke screen to shield your attempted escape from the truth.

More light Moses? I could ask my Father to turn up the light, but that might only serve to cook you, rather than help you to see.

Uriah7

posted 08-05-1999 02:30 AM            

You wrote:
>>Now that we have established that we don't like each other,<<

I didn't say that I don't like you. I don't know you. I have decided that you must be very young. May I ask you how old you are?

You wrote:
>>if Ruach is "Sophia"(a greek word meaning literary prevaricator, not wisdom) as you insinuate,<<

GREEK - ENGLISH LEXICON
Founded upon the seventh edition of
LIDDELL AND SCOTT'S GREEK - ENGLISH LEXICON:
Page 737:
Sophia; WISDOM, PHILOSOPHY, handicraft and art, knowledge of, acquaintance with a thing. Sound jugement, intelligence, practical WISDOM, such as was attributed to the Seven Wise men, Theogn;

You wrote:
>>Now as for your translations of the scriptures, any 6th grader can write down all the possible translations for each root word used in the Strongs Concordance,<<

Then why is it that you couldn't find the meaning of Sophia? I don't use the Strong's Concordance and don't believe that it is accurate. All it does is tell you how many different ways a word has been translated by the bible translators. I also don't look for root words, I translate each and every dot and tittle.

You wrote:
>>and produce the same irrational, incoherent and subjective gnosis type sentence structures that you have<<

Once you've graduated from the sixth grade it will make since to you and will be rational.

You wrote:
>>The real trick is to say it in English so that we can all understand, and keep each other from adding our own viewpoints as we see fit.<<

No, the real trick is to leave it the way it was written and gain discernment, so you can have understanding to know what it means. You see, once it is translated into an English structure, someone has already put their jaded view into place and we can no longer see the forest for the trees.

You wrote:
>>Hmmm? How can you meditate on something you don't know?<<

You simply start praying, asking the "Divine Absolute" to reveal divine truth to you and to reveal just who he/she is and you continue to pray this none stop until you are given an answer.

You wrote:
>>In fact, how do you really know it's a him<<

I don't

You wrote:
>>If you don't know the father(The Divine Absolute), what makes you think that you can tell us who the Son is.<<

I'm merely telling you what the scriptures say about who he is. Although we all know that the early church fathers tampered with the scriptures and made changes to them, so who knows what is accurate.

You wrote:
>>As for me, I know my father.<<

When was the last time you saw him? When was the last time you heard his voice? Tell me how you know him? What does he look like? What does he sound like? How tall is he? Does he like to go fishing? Does he like trucks? Does he like football or golf? What are his hobbies? What is his favorite color? What is his favorite food? Does he eat and drink? Does he feel cold and hot? Has he ever blushed? Has he ever had a cold or been sick at all? Does he wear clothes? What is his body composed of? Is he a particle of a wave (solid or energy). Does he ever sleep? If he does where does he sleep? Does he lay down to sleep? Does he snore? Does he wear shoes and if he does, what size shoe does he wear? Has he ever smoked a pipe? What does he smell like? Does he sing? Does he laugh?

You quote:
Yahushua
>>If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen(from the greek word "orahu", does not mean physically see, but to fully perceive) him.<<

So you fully perceive him do you? Tell me all about him. I want to know everything. I don't want you to spout off bible verses that are someone else telling you about him, that doesn't make you know him. I want to know your experience with him and how intimately you know him.

You wrote:
>>But his delight is in the Torah of Yahweh; and in his Torah doth he meditate day and night.<<

Don't you know that this is how I meditate upon him. By continually having the scriptures in the front of my mind asking questions about every dot and tittle until I come to an understanding and the dots line up. "Line upon line, precept, upon precept, here a little, there a little."

You wrote:
>>And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, El is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things,<<

The "Divine Absolute" knows my heart and my mind and the intent of my heart. He watches over my every move and guides me along.

You wrote:
>>Beloved, if our hearth condemn us not, then have we confidence toward El.<<

I love that scripture, it is sooooo true.
Also:
Matthew 12:34-35: you brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the HEART the MOUTH SPEAKS. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

You quote:
>>And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.<<

This is exactly my point. He will not let us be lead astray. I have been asking and asking and asking and he is showing me, everything I ask him to.

You wrote:
>>Just how do you think that you can please someone if you don't know them?<<

You start by being kind and loving and sharing all things with them.. Not by being rude, selfish and spewing forth vile hatred and piety. Are you married? If you are then you know how you go about learning how to please someone other than yourself. When you first met your wife, you didn't know her. So you started being nice to her and doing things for her, and the more time you spent with her, the more you learned how to please her.

You wrote:
>>And if you don't know the Father, how will you describe the Son?<<

I have merely stated what the bible says about him.

You wrote:
>>don't forget to answer the earlier questions while your attempting to use my aggression as a smoke screen to shield your attempted escape from the truth.<<

What truth are you talking about. I don't need or want a smoke screen. I want to be seen and heard. If I didn't want to answer your questions, I wouldn't be answering this post. Its that simple.

NOW, NO SMOKE SCREENS FROM YOU. ANSWER ALL MY QUESTIONS.

posted 08-05-1999 05:40 PM            

Sorry to barge in on this lively conversation, but just a few comments that may contain truth. I think it is clear that Iaushua (Yahushua) is part of the Elohim of Heaven. The only 3 that I know of are the Father of course, and the Holy Spirit and the Son, our Savior and Redeemer. These are the mighty Ones that make up the Family of Iaue (Yahweh) in Heaven- the Elohim.

When it says the Son is "God", it is saying that the Son is Elohim, just as His Parents are. He is worthy. He is worthy of our praise and worship and thanksgiving for what He has done for us. And the Father and Holy Spirit are as well, for they have played their role in the plan of redemption perfectly too. Without one of the three, we have no salvation. "Two out of three aint bad"? Yes it is. Three out of three is the only way to salvation that I am aware of.

So we have us made in the image and likeness of Iaue Elohim- male and female. The Father and Son are male, and this leaves only the Ruach haQodesh as the female representative. She is the Heavenly Mother- Iaue the Father's Wife and Mother of our Messiah. Now, as far as the Son leaving Heaven and coming here as a man, here are some thoughts.

Of course the details are not given in this, but we can speculate and ponder this awesome event. Now if Iaue and His Wife had intercourse, like they did to have Him in the first place, then the divine sperm traveled to the divine egg and fertilized it. Now we have the Heavenly Mother carrying it and she comes upon Miriam, whose egg is in the same position but not fertilized. She then superimposes the divine egg onto Miriam's, so that Miriam is now the one with the fertilized egg and is "with Child" now, without knowing a man yet.

Huh, that seemed simple enough. Praise Iaue and may They bless and keep you all...

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Shalom to all...

posted 08-05-1999 09:37 PM            

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

posted 08-05-1999 11:17 PM            

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It sounds pretty much to me that Joseph is the father of Yahushua. However his mother is the one who is the Holy Spirit. It was the wife of Yahweh, Sophia who gave birth. She is called the Queen of Heaven by the Catholic church.
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My words;

[quote]I may not understand or fully comprehend the full nature of Yahshua, but I know that Joseph is not the Messiahs father. Remember Matthew 1:18;

Now the birth of Yahshua Messiah was on this wise: When as his mother Miriam was espoused to Yoseph, BEFORE they came together, she was found with child of the Ruach HaChodesh

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I guess your quote in light of this scripture, needs more explanation. Apparently in your rush to put me in my place You forgot to answer this.

Who is Yahshua, and (let me be more specific) what is his nature and mission?

posted 08-06-1999 12:58 AM            

Matthew 1:20
clearly states the Mary is Joseph's wife.

So considering this do you really think that they had not consumated the relationship?

posted 08-06-1999 02:16 AM            

You wrote:
>>No Moses, You answer my question.<<

No answer, means that you don't have an answer!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but this is just toooo childish for me. I have answered your questions and now you play childish games trying to avoid what I have asked you.

You wrote:
>>I guess your quote in light of this scripture, needs more explanation. Apparently in your rush to put me in my place You forgot to answer this.<<

I didn't forget to answer anything. In your hast in reading my previous posts you apparently overlooked my explanation.

You wrote:
>>As for your demands, I don't take orders from women. And I am not answerable to them.<<

Sounds like you have a BIG PROBLEM, with WOMEN and AUTHORITY!!!!
I didn't demand anything from you.
If you will go back, you will see that it was you who engaged in conversation with me not the other way around. When I tried to ignore you, you taunted me, trying to provoke a reply from me, sooooo I gave into your childish act to quiet you down.

DON'T BOTHER REPLYING TO ME AGAIN. I WILL NOT ANSWER YOU.

posted 08-06-1999 02:55 PM            

Would you also explain:

Dynastic Wedlock
The Dynastic hierarchy
The line of Abiathar
The line of Zadok

Torah

posted 08-06-1999 04:08 PM            

As always I enjoy reading your posts. You always bring up some very interesting things. I am always enlightened by them.

You wrote:
>>second stage of the marriage which is coming under the khuppah (bridal canopy).<<

Could you please explain, the very Jewish practice of coming under the Khuppah, along with the different stages of a Jewish marriage? I'm not asking for the traditional explination, but the most ancient true explination. What were they waiting and watching for in the interim between the stages? Exactly what happens, that has been called the Khuppah? Please explain this to us from a Jewish perspective as one Jew (one who's mother was a Jew and her mother's mother was a Jew) would explain it, to another Jew (one who's mother was a Jew and her mother's mother was a Jew).

You wrote:
>>To break a betrothal one had/has to obtain a "get" (certificate of divorce) even if they had not consumated the marriage<<

consummate: to make complete, brought to the highest possible point of perfection, being such without qualification, to bring or come to a limit or to a natural or appropriate stopping point

consummated: complete or perfect

So, marriage isn't completely perfect, until the two are proven to be of like kind and procreate. Which means that a man and or woman can't reach the highest possible point of perfection without being married to one of like kind and procreating (having children).

You wrote:
>>they were still considered "married" but was the custom to wait till the bridegroom finished the wedding chamber that he would take the bride in to consumate the marriage.<<

Again, what is he looking for under the canopy, that he must find before making perfect procreation with her?

Why did he check the arch of her foot?

You wrote:
>>It is obvious that Yosef and Miryam were only betrothed and had not had the second part of the betrothal--wedding under khuppah and consumation, because Yosef thinks of "putting her away," which is what would be done if a man found out their bride, who is betrothed to them, has had relations with another man.<<

Or, more clearly, if the woman was found to be of a different kind.

You wrote:
>>Normally the "get/divorce/putting away" would have been within the Jewish court of law, but Yosef being a righteous man did not want to subject her to this because her punishment according to Torah would have been stoning. So he was going to put her away secretly.<<

A very pious man, would want to put her away secretely, so nobody would know the mistake in the choice he had made.

You wrote:
>>It is clear that this is what Yosef at first thought since she revealed to him she was pregnant and he knew he had not taken her under the khuppah yet and is the reason Avinu sent the malakh (messenger) to assure Yosef that no man had touched her that it was His Will that she had become pregnant.<<

Don’t you see the problem in this???? If Mary was pregnant, either,
1) she had consummated her marriage and was pregnant by Joseph,
2) she/being human, matted with a spirit being, the same way the other elohim mated with women, bring about the flood in Noah’s day.
3) she wasn't human and mated with a man
4) she wasn't human and mated with a spirit/of like kind

Now you can argue all you want that it wasn’t through intercourse, and I don’t care how it came about, the underlying problem is that we have a human woman (if she was human) pregnant with the child of a spirit. OR, we have Sophia wife of Yahweh, and sister/wife of Adam, mating with David as told in Revelation 22:16.

Revelation 22:16: "I, Iesous, have sent my angel to attest these things to you for the sake of the churches. I am the sprig FROM the ROOT of DAVID and the bright ‘MORNING STAR.’"

Isaiah 14:12: How did you come to fall from the heavens, "MPRMOMG STAR", child of Dawn? How did you come to be thrown to the ground, conqueror of nations? You who used to think to yourself: I shall scale the heavens; higher than the stars of Yahweh I shall set my throne. I shall sit on the Mount of Assembly far away to the North. I shall climb high above the clouds, I shall rival the Most High

2Peter 1:19: So we have confirmation of the words of the prophets; and you will be right to pay attention to it as to a lamp for light a way through the dark, until the dawn comes and the "MORNING STAR" rises in your minds.

Mary/Sophia had been given a rite of halisah from Yahweh.

Isaiah 50:1 Thus says Yahweh, Where is your mother’s writ of divorce by which I repudiated her? Or to which of my creditors have I sold you? Look, you have been sold for your own misdeeds, your mother was repudiated for your acts of rebellion. Why was there no one there when I came? Why did no one answer when I called? Is my hand too short to redeem? Have I not strength to save? Look, with a threat I can dry the sea, and turn rivers to desert; the fish in them go rotten for want of water and die of thirst. I dress the heavens in black, I cover them in sackcloth.

Hosea 2:4-24: To court, take your mother to court! For she is no longer my wife, nor am I her husband. She must either remove her whoring ways from her face and her adulteries from between her breasts, or I shall strip her and expose her naked as the day she was born; I shall make her as bare as the desert, I shall make her as dry as arid country, and let her die of thirst. And I shall feel no pity for her children since they are the children of her whoring. Yes, their mother has played the whore, she who conceived them has disgraced herself by saying, I shall chase after my lovers; they will assure me my keep, my wool, my flax, my oil and my drinks. This is why I shall block her way with thorns, and wall her in to stop her in her tracks; then if she chases her lovers she will not catch them, if she looks for them she will not find them, and then she will say, "I shall go back to my first husband, I was better off then, than I am now;" she had never realized before that I was the one who was giving her the grain, new wine and oil, giving her more and more silver and gold which they have spent on Baal! This is why I shall take back my grain when it is due and my new wine, when the season for it comes. I shall withdraw my wool and my flax which were to cover her naked body, and then display her infamy before her lovers’ eyes, non one will take her from me then! I shall put an end to all her merrymaking, her festivals, her New Moons and her Sabbaths and all her solemn feasts. I shall make her vines and fig trees derelict of which she used to say, ‘these are the pay my lovers gave me.’ I shall turn them into a jungle, wild animals will feed on them, I mean to make hre pay for the feast days on which she burnt incense to the Baals, when she tricked herself out in her earrings and necklace and forgot me! Declares Yahweh. But look, I am going to seduce her and lead her into the desert and speak to her heart. There I shall give her back her vineyards, and make the Vale of Achor a gateway of hope. There she will respond as when she was young, as on the day when she came up from Egypt. When that day comes declares Yahweh you will call me, ‘My husband’, no more will you call me, ‘My Baal’, I shall banish the names of the Baals from her lips and their name will be mentioned no more. When that day comes I shall make a treaty for them with the wild animals, with the birds of heaven and the creeping things of the earth; I shall break the bow and the sword and warfare and banish them from the country, and I will let them sleep secure.

Misnah Yebamot 4:12: A. he who remarries a woman whom he has divorced (after she had wed someone else and was divorced or widowed), he who marries a woman with whom he has performed the rite of halisah, and he who marries the kinswoman of a woman with whom he has performed the rite of halisah (M. 4:7G-H)
B. must put her away.
C. "And the offspring (of such a union) is a mamzer, " the words of R. Aqiba.

Shalom, Moses

posted 08-06-1999 06:14 PM            

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She's using flatteries to get your sympathy. Your post D'vorah showed the nonsense of her belief, which will lead to other things that are gnostic.

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Are you referring to me in this comment?
Torah

posted 08-06-1999 06:31 PM            

I have never nor am I now, questioning your status as a Jew. I was trying to be very percise in what I meant by the term Jew. I did not ask you to give me the answer you would give to one who had merely converted to Judaism. I want you to answer my question as though you were answering another Jew, born of a Jew, of a Jew.
I think you are VERY, qualified to answer my questions.

I didn't say that I didn't know of the ancient customs. I want you to clearify them for me. Please!

You wrote:
>>Not quite understanding the intent of your post...this will decide my reply..todah.<<

The entent of my post was merely to point out that what we see in the scripture writings isn't exactly what we think.

I'm sorry, if I made you uncomfortable, that wasn't my entent.

Just trying to put all things into perspective.