posted 07-27-1999 12:01 AM            

I merely translate it literally as it is written. Translating every dot and tittle and it tells a complete story without any contradictions.
I base it upon the fact that man has added their rules to the language and this has caused many contradictions in the scriptures.

It is an ABSOLUTE provable, documentable fact, that Christianity as a whole has
been led over the past 2000 years into unknowingly following the theological methods of interpretation developed by the Greek philosopher Plato and his followers? Not only is it absolutely provable, amazingly enough it is relatively easy to find.
Encyclopedia Americana
Theology
Theology is a term compounded of two Greek words, theos (God) and logos
(rational utterance), and it might be taken to mean something like "rational utterance or discourse about god or gods". The term first appears in Plato's Republic (Book 2, Chap. 18) with reference to poetry. According to Plato norms must be prescribed to which the poetry must conform in matters of Theology. These norms or "rules" of theology were developed by Plato as a means of corrupting the writings of Homer and the other Greek poets, for the purpose of influencing and controlling what people believe when they read. Homer wrote some things about the Olympian gods that Plato and his mentor Socrates just didn't agree with. In other words, they just didn't think that a lot of what Homer said about the Greek gods, and especially Zeus himself was rational. However the Greeks thought pretty much of Homer so Socrates and Plato couldn't just go around saying Homer was a liar. Not unless they wanted to be stoned or torn limb from limb, since the Greeks considered Homer a prophet, and they considered his "poetry" as scripture.
Therefore in reality what the above statements of the Encyclopedia is saying, is that once you get passed being impressed by the BIG WORDS, the truth is that Plato coined the word Theology for the first time to name a set of rules to which scripture must conform.
I must ask, since when is scripture supposed to be conformed to a set of rules developed by a pagan Greek philosopher????
According to Plato, these rules were to cover any story concerning any gods anywhere at any time. Now let me ask you, what other "stories" were around at the time that Plato made up all these rules? Could it be, might it be THE OLD TESTAMENT.
A major part of the "THEOLOGY" that Plato developed to make scripture conform to what ever "HE" thought was rational, is called Hermeneutics. It is the infiltration of these methods of study called Hermeneutics applied to the scriptures as a means of interpretation, which will eventually culminate in the complete and final apostasy of the entire Christian world.
A major factor in the ability of Greek Hermeneutics, to deceive, is that, by it's application to any literature, it absolutely convinces the individual, that he has come to a correct and truthful understanding of what is being said. He thinks he sees, he thinks he hears, he thinks he understands, however the exact opposite is true. The person is beguiled by the wisdom and instruction of this world and the prince of this world. He not only thinks he knows, when he dose not, but he also becomes absolutely convinced in his heart that he knows, when the eyes of his understanding have become darkened.
Hermeneutics and Theology in general are hidden things of dishonesty which teach people how to handle words deceitfully. As stated before the word theology was coined by Plato for the very FIRST TIME in his book The Republic, Book 2, chapter 18, and it means rational utterance about the God or gods. HOWEVER suppose what the scriptures say is not RATIONAL to "YOU". Then you just apply the methods of Theology and Hermeneutics and apply the rules which Greek Philosophers came up with, then you can get the scriptures to conform for you. As Plato said and as Christian Theology teaches rules must be prescribed to which ALL scripture must conform. If there happen to be parts that do not conform to your "Theology", then there is also a "rule" to explain "why" that portion of scripture doesn't.
It is an absolute provable fact that Christianity adopted their methods of Theology (HOW to study and interpret the Bible) from the Theology of Plato. The name of the "god" was changed but the system remains the same. It is also a provable fact that the only reason Plato developed Theology to begin with was to corrupt the writings of Homer and other Greek poets so as to control the religious beliefs of the people. The very same methods of study are taught in EVERY Christian Theological School today. Weather it is Greek Theology, Jewish Theology, Muslim Theology, Buddhist Theology, or Christian Theology ALL of what is called THEOLOGY originates from the same source. I can take a can of beans and put a tomato label on it, but it is still a can of beans.
Each of these religions have their own particular set of writings and history. Yet every one of them has adopted the same methods of interpretation from Plato's Theology. This is because Theology is not in and of itself a set of doctrines. Theology is system of education which supposedly teaches the rules of how to study any religious literature. Since most of this religious literature concerns history, what Theology is in fact is a system of how to revise what is written, WITHOUT actually changing the writings themselves, and this also happens in translation. Hence it is a highly developed form of deceitful Historical Revisionism. It doesn't' matter who's story you apply it to, its soul purpose is to adulterate and corrupt it.
All Christian Colleges, Bible Schools and Seminaries speak the name of the god Hermes in direct connection with the scriptures. When we are told in scripture not to let the names of other gods be heard from our mouths. Hermeneutics gets it's name from the god Hermes. It is Hermes who is the prince of Greecia who came and gave revelation, of the knowledge of how to deceive with words, to the Philosophers, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, from whom the so-called rules originated.
Theology's greatest deception is that it has the power to make one think that they are wise and smart once they take a bite. It makes you think you are like Yahweh in that you understand Yahweh's word. However all it teaches is HOW to handle the word of Yahweh deceitfully.
Bakers Dictionary of Practical Theology states the following regarding what is "called" the "science" or "art" of Hermeneutics.
The conscious setting up of rules is hermeneutics from the god Hermes, messenger of the gods, hence hermeneuein, to interpret; hermeneia interpretation, commentary; and the hermeneutic technique, the skill or art of interpretation. Hermeneutics is both an art and a science. It is a science in that it can reduce interpretation within limits to a set of rules; it is an art in that it draws up its own story lines that are not there, using rules. Some writers have argued that the giving and taking of meaning in understanding is more art than science. But at least it is not all art and what is not art can be treated by rule.
So let's get this straight, here is a book that is recommended to every minister, preacher, teacher and Bible student in the Christian world, with a minimum of 49 pages defining the "art" or "science", the "RULES" of how Christians should interpret the scriptures, and this so-called "science" is called Hermeneutics after a PAGAN god. And these "rules" are being applied to the whole of scripture, which contains everything Yahweh SAID that he wanted written down for us to read and follow.
Yet today Christians have been duped into thinking that the god Hermes, and the knowledge which originates from him called Hermeneutics will reveal these exact same secrets regarding the latter days.
The same science the Babylonians used to try and interpret mysteries and dreams, the same knowledge which came from the God Hermes which the Babylonians called El, and the Egyptians called Thoth. It was this falsely so-called science that led to the integrating of pagan worship practices into the worship of the true divinity.
LIEING IS AN ART! Let me say that again "LIEING IS AN ART". You can be taught to lie, thinking your telling the truth. There is an actually form of real knowledge on HOW to lie. Now if I can get you to follow the methods of HOW to lie, and make you think your telling the truth that would make me very crafty. This is exactly what Theology and Hermeneutics is designed to do, it is the essence of Greek Philosophy. Hermeneutics not only teaches you how to develop a lie it teaches you how to cover it up by a "rule".
Anything that doesn't agree with what you want to prove, you cover up with a "rule". If there isn't a rule then you just make one up. This is why there have been different "schools" of interpretation develop over the years, with the latest one being the Dispensational School of Interpretation. This is where the rule is that anything that doesn't fit into what your trying to propound is said to "Not be written to you in this dispensation". This one will keep you from reading the Old Testament, the Gospels and the book of Revelation. According to Dispensationalist the only part of the scriptures that are really written and apply to you is found in the letter of Paul. Yet even when they come to things in Paul's letters that disagree with what they try and promote they say the same thing, "Oh that was written to the Jew or that was written to the Gentiles and your in the Church of God, your special. Sometimes right in the middle of a sentence something disagrees with their version of salvation and they tell you it's not written to you. This is the deceitful way in which all Theology and Hermeneutics works.
Let me say that if you are sympathetic to any kind of Theology whatsoever, you are advocating and practicing the basis of Greek Philosophy. Unless you learn to recognize and renounce these practices you will only handle the word of Yahweh deceitfully, thinking that your doing the smart thing and coming to a knowledge of the truth.
It might be a hard pill to swallow but for a Christian to even speak the name of Theology or Hermeneutics in the same breath, when referring to Yahweh's Holy Word, it is idolatry. It is mixing the knowledge taught by a believer in a pagan god which god I might add was the "interpreter" of the gods, and the god of all literature, it is mixing the knowledge taught by a pagan worshiper of Zeus, with the knowledge of the scriptures to try and come to a correct understanding and all that will happen is that you will be deceived into deceiving yourself.
That's the beauty of the plot, after all if I can get you to deceive yourself by just getting you to practice theology and hermeneutics which is actually the foundation of Greek Philosophy, I don't have to come up with a false gospel you'll do that yourself. Satan doesn't really care if you leave the Churches and strike out on your own, he knows you'll probably take a few of his rules with you and in essence come running right back to him through your own study.
You cannot rightly divide the word of truth, with a paganistic system of literary interpretation which was specifically designed to deceive and cover up the truth. Theology was specifically designed to corrupt the writing of Homer which were considered scripture and history.
Now why in the world would the Adversary want to corrupt the writings of Homer? That is perfectly simple, he wanted to clean up his image? Do you think that the Greeks worshipped and sacrificed to the gods because they loved them? Do you think they worshipped them because they were so "good"? Absolutely not, the Greek gods were a bunch of beautiful yet degenerate thieves, rapists, bullies, liars, murderers, kidnappers and all around evil beings who got men to worship them through fear of what would happen if they didn't. All Homer did was write it like he saw it, in other words all he did was give an account of what was actually going on at a certain point in history in that part of the world. While on the other hand the true creator also had a few good men who were writing down what he was doing in HIS STORY.
The gods knew that there were two histories or written accounts which were causing them problems. First of all the Hebrew Scriptures which revealed the truth about the gods to man, and second of all a recorded history of their rotten deeds through Homer and they couldn't get rid of either one. Every time they got someone to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures the true Creator would just have someone write them down again. And as far as Homers writings were concerned, they had promoted them for so long that they couldn't get anyone to give them up, they had too many people hooked on Homer as a prophet and historian. They had instilled to much fear in their own followers, so that their plan had actually back fired against them. Therefore if you can't get rid of Homer's writings and you can't get rid of the Hebrew Scriptures you have to figure out a way to make anything you don't want someone to believe a "MYTH". In essence Satan's plan was to go from being blatantly obvious and evil, manifesting himself as a great god in different cultures, by appearing in all his glory, to going underground where eventually people wouldn't believe in him at all and he could work silently behind the scenes.
Now you can insist that Homers writings were a "myth" a "fable" just a bunch of fairy tales. But before you quit reading this and just chock it all up as a "fairy tale", let me ask you a question. Have you ever heard of Troy and the Trojan Wars, Helen of Troy and the Trojan Horse? Do you think that is all a "myth"? Or do you even believe there ever was a city of Troy?
Do you know that in-between 1871 and 1890 the city of Troy was dug up. Funny thing is that in every academic circle Troy had always been considered and taught as a "MYTH". Another interesting fact is that "HOMER" was the only one to EVER mention the city of Troy. Now if there really had been a city of Troy, WHY did it become considered a myth? I mean if Homer wrote about it in the Iliad and the Odyssey and the Greeks before and during Plato's time believed in it, THEN what happened in-between 347 BC and 1890 AD, that's 2,337 years. What happened in that 2,337 years to lead people to believe that the city of Troy was just a "MYTH", I'll tell you what happened, Plato happened. His methods, his rules of scriptural interpretation, the Theology he developed and spread in the Greek world took hold. You know that everything written by someone else about history, outside of the Bible is not a lie. People have recorded events as they happened. I'm sure there are books written by people on all kinds of things that really happened and are not myth. So is it so hard for you to believe that there could have been some guy hanging around in-between the 10th and 8th century BC who just wrote down what he saw. Homer's writings were around a good 400 years before Plato was ever born.
Is it also very hard for you to believe that the fallen angels could run around creating havoc with mankind on this earth. Is really hard to believe that they could have appeared to men as beautiful super human men calling themselves "gods" and demanding worship. Is it hard to believe that in ever culture the very same black angles could have had different names but still been the very same individuals? Then why is it so hard to believe that Homer was just a guy who wrote it like he saw it? Oh you say but that's just "MYTH ology".
Well let me ask you this: Why is Homer's story of Zeus raping and kidnapping human women and having children by them any different than what it says in the Hebrew Scriptures?
Genesis: 6:1: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Jude 1:6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. EVEN AS Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to
FORNICATION, AND GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Strange flesh to an angel is a human being. And what about this next verse, ever wonder about it?
Daniel 2:43: And whereas thou saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
How is any of this so much easier to believe than what Homer wrote about the god's of Olympus? There are a lot of Christians who believe that what the Bible says about these things is also a myth and use theological rules to explain away what is said.
Every Christian should be like the man who found and dug up Troy. His name was Heinrich Schliemann a "self taught" archaeologist. When Heinrich Schliemann was a little boy his Grandfather used to read the Illiad and the Odyssey of Homer to him. Heinrich believed what he heard and made up his mind that when he grew up, he would go to where Homer said the city of Troy had been and dig it up. HA HA HA! Because EVERYBODY else thought Homers books were just quaint little myths especially the educated scholarly community.
However Heinrich spent five years as a pupil in the retail business learning how to be a salesman, (he had to work for a living). But he never lost his dream of finding Troy someday. He decided to get on a ship going to Venezuela and got a job as a cabin boy. The ship wrecked but Heinrich was saved and taken to Amsterdam. There he got a job in sales again in a commercial house and set himself up to acquire a thorough knowledge of the chief European languages. By 1856 he had learned modern Greek and begun the study of ancient Greek. He wound up traveling all over the world, he even became a citizen of the United States, he happened to be in California when it became a state. He amassed a considerable fortune in trade, he retired in1864 at the age of 42 in order to devote himself wholly to archaeological studies, still thinking about digging up Troy the "MYTH" ological city. Four years later in 1870 he spent his own money to excavate the heaps of ruins at Hessarlik, in the Troad, which he and ONLY he believed to be the site of ancient Troy. GUESS WHAT? HE DUG UP THE "MYTHICAL" CITY OF TROY. The encyclopedia Americana states in it's grudgingly short article about him that:
"Little confidence was at first placed in his methods by "trained" archaeologists, and when his discoveries had been made their historical value was for a time doubted. BUT scholars now agree that they attest powers adequate to the Trojan War, And make the traditional account probable in its main outlines."
The fact is that they know absolutely that it was the Troy which Homer spoke of. Hinrich just read it in the book and went and dug it up, dug up lots of gold and treasure along with it too. Can't you just imagine how GREEN the scholarly community was about all that, let along the jealousy and outrage, and yes probably out and out hatred they felt for him.
You can imagine how many times they kicked themselves in the rear for reading Homers story time and time again and just thinking it was a "myth". Yes and in the end there are a lot of educated Christians who will be doing the same thing.
Now do you see why every Christian should be just like this man. He believed something he read was true and set out to find it IRREGARDLESS of who said what. He was basically a laughing stock to the so-called TRAINED authorities who believed Homers accounts were just a myth. But WHY was Homers accounts believed to be Myth and what interest could the Adversary have in covering up the truth of the Trojan Wars and the city of Troy, how could that in anyway be of benefit to him. It's actually pretty simple. The Adversary could have cared less about Troy one way or the other. But in order for all those stories about the delinquent activities of those fallen angels considered "gods" to become myth, everything else Homer wrote had to become myth too. Did you know that there were at least "6" other cities built on top of Troy that Heinrich had to dig up before he got to her. That Old Adversary really worked at burying any physical evidence that there ever was a city of Troy. Because if Troy was a possibility, then to anyone who understands much about true spiritual workings and the Bible, then the stories about him and his cohorts also became a possibility. And this is exactly why THEOLOGY was invented and specifically the SCIENCE FALSELY SO-CALLED of HERMENEUTICS meaning INTERPRETATION -- AND THAT IS TO BURY THE TRUTH!!!
To the Christians of the first few centuries THEOLOGY was considered a form of Heathenisum. When you go back and read the apologetics of some of the early Christians they are constantly refuting PHILOSOPHY. The problem in understanding the connection to us is, we don't know that as time went by the foundation of Philosophy called Theology broke off and became a SEPARATE branch of study. All you have to do is remember Mars Hill in the book of Acts to see that at that time the main concern of the Philosophers was talking about religion.
People today do not connect the two as being inseparably connected. LOOK there are REAL sciences but THEOLOGY AND HERMENEUTICS IS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!! It's all just one big CON game played out by the god of this world.
Various men called "Christians" down through the centuries have steadily introduced the ideas and methods and words used in Plato's theology into the Christian mind. By the 4th century Gregory of Nazianaus was using the word THEOLOGY by calling his commentary on the scriptures "De Theologia". The word was especially used for the Doctrine of the Trinity and the divinity of Christ. According to one author in the 5th century it meant in the Old and New Testaments, a usage which the encyclopedia says can be linked up with pagan and Greek "mythical" THEOLOGY (Oh what a surprise, I can't believe these Christian Theologians write these facts and still don't have a clue.) In the 11th Century a man named Ablard CHANGED the meaning of the word (this was a great tactic of Philosophers, to give false definitions to words). To Ablard Theology was just as much the study of God conveyed in the Hebrew Scripture and the church fathers, as it was of the doctrines of "God" found in writers (like Homer) OUTSIDE of the Bible and the Church. Ablard didn't change the meaning of the word Theology, he just changed it's application of rules which are used to MAKE SCRIPTURE CONFORM TO A SET OF NORMS FROM HOMER TO THE SCRIPTURE.
Can you see here that THEOLOGY in and of itself is a separate entity from the piece of literature it's applied to? The thing that really stinks about all of this is that it's RIGHT UNDER EVERY CHRISTIANS NOSE AND THEY CAN'T SMELL IT. It's so slick, so slimy, so sneaky, so beguiling, so deceiving, in fact you don't have to use all the fancy words Theology uses like Hermeneutics, Eschatology, Homiletics, Exegesis all you have to do is teach people the RULES of interpretation and give it simple names, like, How to interpret the Bible or How the Bible interprets itself, or as the Reformers said How Scripture Interprets Scripture. It's ALL THE SAME THING. PEOPLE.....INTERPRETATION BELONG UNTO GOD!!!! You can't use pagan wisdom to come to a true and accurate knowledge of His Word. If you insist upon defending these things you are defending the mixture of Greek Philosophy and Pagan Theology with that of the Truth. By the use of Theology you add to or take away from what the Scriptures really
say.
We have Christians today who are using the Pyramids as a form of Biblical Interpretation. Do you know which god is attributed with having given the knowledge to build the Pyramids? Guess who, good old Hermes, because the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth are one and the same. The Greeks adopted the Egyptian god Thoth and combined him with their god Hermes calling him Hermes Thrice Greatest. Hermes was a thief and a trickster, Thoth was the God of all Literature, scribe and interpreter of the gods. So what do you have when you have THIEF + TRICKSTER + LITERATURE + SCRIBE + INTERPRETER? I'd say that it all EQUALS UP TO A FALSE INTERPRETATION!!!!! While all the time thinking that you see, when you do not, thinking that you hear, when you do not, thinking that you know, when you do not, thinking you understand, when you do not.
Theology has a branch of study called Homiletics which is the art of "speaking". In Philosophy its called Rhetoric, Hitler was very good at it, it's the art of public speaking and convincing people to accept what you say as true. Theological Homiletics, Rhetoric, Public Speaking what ever you want to call it, is a knowledge which is taught by man's wisdom it has nothing to do with the truth. All of the branches of Theology work together to make sure that you are completely convinced that a lie is the truth.
There is MOUNDS of absolute facts regarding all of this, but if you have read just this and insist upon defending even a little of it, then you've been hit by the spirit of pride that comes when people accept this form of wisdom into their hearts.
All these methods of study are designed to do, is to keep you ever learning and NEVER ABLE TO COME TO A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. You must learn how to recognize them and renounce them. Every doctrine you hold dear could be tainted by these methods of interpretation.
The same rules have been applied to the way we now translate the Hebrew language, where they say that they can not be translated as written I believe these are RULES, put forth as part of this great apostasy. If you translate the Hebrew as written they tell a complete story of their own, that is consistent through out all that I have translated thus far.
I also learned that the rules of Hermeneutics are used in translation. Which means that they don't give a translation they give an interpretation in order to promote and cover up false doctrines.
This is what "their own" dictionary on theology states concerning this issue.
Bakers Dictionary of Theology
General hermeneutics is that set of rules employed in all materials which stand in need of interpretation. It is used, with proper adaptation to the subject matter, in art, history, literature, archeology and TRANSLATION.
As far as I understand it about languages an "interpreter" gives the understanding according to culture ect. of what an individual is saying, he does not give a word for word translation, though at times that will be there. Whereas on the other hand a translator is supposed to translate word for word.
As far as Greek goes "they say" that you cannot translate it word for word because it would be too hard to understand and wouldn't make sense. Well this is just not true because I started reading the word for word translation and I understand it just fine.

Colossians 2:8: Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the traditions of men and the rudiments of the world and not after the messiah.

You quote:
>>Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.<<

Here is how I would translate this verse:

Isaish 8
20. unto instruction and unto documentation the mother not Yameru in the likeness of Dawn from exterior to dream which confirms non-existence to him Dawn

You wrote:
>>Every word spoken in reference to the Word of the Creator has to be in accord with what was given to Moshe and the other true prophets of Y-H-W-H,<<

This is only according to the way you have translated and interpreted the scriptures.

You wrote:
>>If the interpretations that you are presewnting to the Forum are truly inspired, and are in accord with that which was given, then again, on behalf of the readers of this Forum, I ask for proof.<<

I have given proof from the very translation you proclaim.

posted 07-27-1999 03:27 PM            

I Jn 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of G-d: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(KJV)

posted 07-27-1999 08:43 PM            

Actually, I use every word offered, as Tyndale was said to have done.
I didn't do this in the above scripture simply to simplify things, so that you would find it easier to check my translation. However I didn't delete anything that changed the basic meaning.

You wrote:
>>would you please translate Exodus 32:12<<

Exodus 32
12. why llama Yameru oppressor to rise buffalo from balm of Egyptian's confined hot spring from rock, enemy Tzar hot spring not master saying within evil purpose companion shout the grazing, woe wild animals people when mother unto killing to her Reg upon ending complete innocence you within mount clarify hot spring within the high buffalo and unto all ended perfect innocence high place behave treacherously rising from upper part leisure, behold this resemblance to cease silence, blood the reddening the gas from the who therefore within rebelliousness to return from anger, also angry nose in the likeness of Apek upon flask and the repentance to console oneself to have compassion upper part doing harm blowing the trumpet the evil companion strive to associate with grazing pasture shout the purpose evil companion unto kinsman people as long as close to throat from likeness:

Its all about crossbreeding and the hot spring held the building block of life. The elohim were mating with all the beast of the field/pasture.

Shalom, Moses

posted 07-27-1999 09:21 PM            

I believe it is. However, the question is which Yahweh? Yahweh the wife, or Yahweh Adam, or the unknowable, uneffible "Absolute", who's name we don't know?

You wrote:
>>Can Y-H-W-H reveal the thought behind the bible to mankind today?<<

I'm sure he/she can, but does he/she want to?

You wrote:
>>What about the Ruach HaQodesh?<<

I believe that the Ruach HaQodesh is the wife who fell from heaven and it is her rebellion that is being hidden from us, by her.

You wrote:
>>What about truth?<<

What if the truth has nothing to do with us?

You wrote:

>>Is there an 'absolute?'<<

I believe that the "Absolute" is the very being that we don't have the ability to know or understand. The very being that all energy, mass and mind come from.

You wrote:
>>I Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of G-d: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.<<

I ask you: When was the last time you saw a spirit and how did you test it? How did you know that the outcome of your test was accurate?

If the scriptures are indeed the word of the "Divine Absolute", then they are living, and they will tell truth no matter how they are translated. The English translations (as destorted as they are)do tell the story but we have been blinded to the facts that are there for us to see.

I belive that the spirits were permitted to deceive us but they had to let us know that they were deceiving us.

We are so entrenched in the traditions and doctrines of the apostate church that we have become blinded to what the scriptures really do say, even though we have eyes to see, we see not, we see through a glass dimly. We don’t question passages that we
see in opposition to what is being taught by the church, we assume that it is our seeing that is in error. We have been trained to think in this manner.
The apostasy began in the very beginning of recorded time.

We are now so caught up in tradition and doctrine that we are blinded to what the holy scriptures really do say. Most of us don’t want to take the time to study and dig into the scriptures to find the truths contained in them. We have been lead into the apostasy like sheep blindly lead to the slaughter.

We have packaged the scriptures into our traditions and doctrines so neatly and don’t want to mess them up, we have become complacent and we don’t like change.

Most of us are afraid that if indeed the scriptures are in error, that somehow that would mean that there is no Deity, or our Deity is incapable of giving us true scriptures. We don’t want to take the responsibility for the loss of the truth ourselves, we hold mankind in such high esteem. We want Yahweh to be responsible for baby sitting us and our scriptures.

The holy scriptures as given to us in their original state were indeed the inspired word of our creator. They encompass all wisdom and knowledge of everything that has or ever will exist, they tell all. They are indeed awesome, a thing to be beheld. There is still a glimmer of the truth hidden deep down in them, so we must dig down deep and find the awesome truths contained in them. Even though our holy scriptures have been pillaged, if we will but glean them we will come away with a full harvest.

There are rules and laws for all of creation and even the fallen or lost angels and demons must live by these laws. They were allowed to change our scriptures in their attempt to deceive us, however they had to tell us that they had been changed and they had to leave the original scrolls intact so that those who truly seek could find the truths contained in them. Absolute truths can not be totally obliterated! Truth is absolute and will always be truth and that can’t be changed, therefore it exists eternally. This is a law of nature by which the angels must abide.

Jeremiah 8:8: How can you say; we are the wise, and the law of Yahweh is with us? Behold, the lying pen of the scribes has falsified them, and written them wrong!

Hosea 4:6: “My people are dying for lack of knowledge, and because you have rejected knowledge I reject you from being priest to me. Because you have forgotten the law of Yahweh, I for my part, will forget your children.”

Shalom, Moses

posted 07-29-1999 09:53 AM            

>>Is the bible the Word of Y-H-W-H?<<

"I believe it is. However, the question is which Yahweh? Yahweh the wife, or Yahweh Adam, or the unknowable, uneffible "Absolute", who's name we don't know?"

Moses, from your statement, you are once again teaching the trinitarian doctrine. There is no triune Supreme Being. There is Y-H-W-H the Father, the Originator, the Creator, the uneffible "Absolute" whose name given to mankind we do know. Then there is Y-H-W-H the Word, which can be agreed upon as being the feminine aspect of Y-H-W-H, [the Father being the masculine], who was manifested in human form to become our Saviour and our Redeemer.

>>Can Y-H-W-H reveal the thought behind the bible to mankind today?<<

"I'm sure he/she can, but does he/she want to?"

Moses, if the Creator did not want to reveal the thought and intent of the Word, why did Moshe write;

Deut 29:29
29 The secret things belong unto the L-RD our G-d: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
(KJV)

Also;

1 Cor 2:9-10
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
(KJV)

>>What about the Ruach HaQodesh?<<

"I believe that the Ruach HaQodesh is the wife who fell from heaven and it is her rebellion that is being hidden from us, by her."

Moses, this is the same perception that the ancients had about Y-H-W-H. From this deception, we now have the doctrine of the triune g-d.Why do you believe that the Ruach HaQodesh is an entity of itself?

>>What about truth?<<

"What if the truth has nothing to do with us?"

Moses, the truth has everything to do with us. By it we are sanctified for Y-H-W-H.

John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
(KJV)

>>Is there an 'absolute?'<<

"I believe that the "Absolute" is the very being that we don't have the ability to know or understand. The very being that all energy, mass and mind come from."

Y-H-W-H is the "absolute," the Creator is Ayn Soph! The bible is clear on that matter ;
Isa 44:8
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a G-d beside me? yea, there is no G-d; I know not any.
(KJV)

>>I Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of G-d: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.<<

"I ask you: When was the last time you saw a spirit and how did you test it? How did you know that the outcome of your test was accurate?"

Moses, spirits do not have to reveal themselves to the naked eye, they work through people as well. We test the spirits by the Word of Y-H-W-H. If they conflict, then we know that the spirit moving a particular individual is not the Ruach HaQodesh. Y-H-W-H’s Spirit has to agree with the Word.

"If the scriptures are indeed the word of the "Divine Absolute", then they are living, and they will tell truth no matter how they are translated. The English translations (as destorted as they are)do tell the story but we have been blinded to the facts that are there for us to see."

Moses, yes and no. The scriptures are in fact the Word of Y-H-W-H. Translations actually take away from the truth of the Word. The substitution of the name ‘Iesous’ for Yahshua for example. When errors like that occur, whether intentional or unintentional, the results are detrimental to our salvation. Revelation by the Ruach HaQodesh in addition to studying the original language of the Word is extremely important to understanding the true intent of the Word of Y-H-W-H.

"I belive that the spirits were permitted to deceive us but they had to let us know that they were deceiving us."

Moses, if someone were deceiving you, but let you know they were, it can no longer be considered as deceit. The fact that a person(s) believes the lie being told to them as the truth is what makes it deception.

"We are so entrenched in the traditions and doctrines of the apostate church that we have become blinded to what the scriptures really do say, even though we have eyes to see, we see not, we see through a glass dimly. We don’t question passages that we see in opposition to what is being taught by the church, we assume that it is our seeing that is in error. We have been trained to think in this manner. The apostasy began in the very beginning of recorded time."

Moses, exactly! My Moreh has taught us this same truth you have just stated.

"We are now so caught up in tradition and doctrine that we are blinded to what the holy scriptures really do say. Most of us don’t want to take the time to study and dig into the scriptures to find the truths contained in them. We have been lead into the apostasy like sheep blindly lead to the slaughter."

Moses, amen! Two in a row!

"We have packaged the scriptures into our traditions and doctrines so neatly and don’t want to mess them up, we have become complacent and we don’t like change."

Moses, this is why it is necessary to receive spiritual revelation through studying, in order that Y-H-W-H can reveal the true purpose and will for mankind!

"The holy scriptures as given to us in their original state were indeed the inspired word of our creator. They encompass all wisdom and knowledge of everything that has or ever will exist, they tell all. They are indeed awesome, a thing to be beheld. There is still a glimmer of the truth hidden deep down in them, so we must dig down deep and find the awesome truths contained in them. Even though our holy scriptures have been pillaged, if we will but glean them we will come away with a full harvest."

Moses, amen and amen!

Jeremiah 8:8: How can you say; we are the wise, and the law of Yahweh is with us? Behold, the lying pen of the scribes has falsified them, and written them wrong!

Hosea 4:6: "My people are dying for lack of knowledge, and because you have rejected knowledge I reject you from being priest to me. Because you have forgotten the law of Yahweh, I for my part, will forget your children."

posted 07-29-1999 12:27 PM            

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Moses, from your statement, you are once again teaching the trinitarian doctrine. There is no triune Supreme Being. There is Y-H-W-H the Father, the Originator, the Creator, the uneffible "Absolute" whose name given to mankind we do know. Then there is Y-H-W-H the Word, which can be agreed upon as being the feminine aspect of Y-H-W-H, [the Father being the masculine], who was manifested in human form to become our Saviour and our Redeemer.

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You condemn Moses for allegedly preaching a trinitarian doctrine, but then you turn right around and proclaim dualism.

Torah

posted 07-29-1999 05:53 PM            

>>you are once again teaching the trinitarian doctrine.<<

This is only because you do not understand creation verses Procreation. When the Divine Absolute created a mate for himself, he didn’t use another, he took her out of himself. Which is very similar to procreation, but you don’t use the genes of anyone other than your own. However, the outcome is the same, you have a distinct being that you have produced separate from yourself but of yourself. It is what we now call gene manipulation. The “Divine Absolute” took certain genes from his being and created a companion for himself. This is the mystery of being divine like.

You wrote:
>>There is no triune Supreme Being.<<

You say this because you don’t understand what this term means. A triune being is a being that was created out of the genes of the “Divine Absolute,” the “Holy Spirit,” and their “son.” It is not three distinct beings, only one being made from three.
There are also dual beings which are beings make from only the “Divine Absolute” and the “Holy Spirit”, and there are dual beings created/procreated from the “Divine Absolute” and the “Divine Son,” and there are beings created/procreated from the “Holy Spirit” and the “Divine Son.” All different types of beings, distinct from each other in being.

You wrote:
>>There is Y-H-W-H the Father, the Originator, the Creator, the uneffible "Absolute" whose name given to mankind we do know.<<

If you this is his name, than I beg you, to use it to heal my brother-in-law who is a paraplegic. The scriptures say that there is power in the Divine name, so much so that we can make a mountain move from one place to another merely by speaking that name. We are told that in his name we can raise the dead, will you please raise my dead daughter, she was only two when she drawn and I miss her terribly. When was the last time you commanded a mountain to move in that name and saw it move for you or when was the last time you raised the dead or healed the sick?

You wrote:

>>Moses, if the Creator did not want to reveal the thought and intent of the Word, why did Moshe write;<<

Do you get what is said in this verse, the secret’s belong to Yahweh goddess, and then it says that what is “revealed” belongs to her children. This scripture acknowledges that things are hidden in from us and the things that are hidden are what Yahweh goddess did wrong.

Deut 29:29
29 The secret things belong unto the L-RD our G-d: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
(KJV)

I translate this verse like this:
The word translated as god, in this verse isn't elohim, it is Elohinu and it means:
ahleph, lahmed: = power, these, El/god:
he, yodh, nun, waw: = that is, this is:
Or;
ahleph, lahmed, he: = goddess;
yodh, nun, waw: pn. Yanu:

28. the hidden to me desire to fall to be destruction unto Yahweh these power El that is goddess Yanu and Henugaleth to us and unto offspring Yanu and inner part heart to increase posterity and therefore cabbage butterfly eternally witness menstruation which is continuous existence unto forged with likeness of unto all out of soundness health bear moisture pestilence the instruction the time to spy out couriosity appearance turtledove the this: support

You wrote:
>>this is the same perception that the ancients had about Y-H-W-H.<<

Then we should listen to the ancients who knew more than we do.

You wrote:
>>Y-H-W-H is the "absolute," the Creator is Ayn Soph! The bible is clear on that matter ;
Isa 44:8<<

Isaiah 44:8
8. these power El swelling to blow up out of therefore drum one sharp edge and these power El to warn therefore far away the not formerly from then the name designation reputation in existence appointed time the likeness of therefore Heg pious and you therefore upon ending complete innocence choice jewel here is who the possession reality existence substance if only to him upon twisting joining to borrow from glutton confusion swallowing enough that double without exclusive of ball jewel and whence nullify non-existence to fashion compressed shape to show hostility to deficiency ball foreleg ready:

You wrote:
>>If they conflict, then we know that the spirit moving a particular individual is not the Ruach HaQodesh.<<

There is plenty of conflict in the scriptures themselves, which should tell you something.

You wrote:
>>The scriptures are in fact the Word of Y-H-W-H. Translations actually take away from the truth of the Word. The substitution of the name ‘Iesous’ for Yahshua for example.<<

This was translated from the Greek where it is Iesous!!!!!! The only reason people are teaching that Yahushua is the name is, that, in the early translation, the name Joshua (Yahushua) son of Nun was erroneously translated as Iesou, so now we assume that Jesus/Iesous was also in error and should be Yahushua.

You wrote:

>>if someone were deceiving you, but let you know they were, it can no longer be considered as deceit. The fact that a person(s) believes the lie being told to them as the truth is what makes it deception.<<

You are twisting what I said the same way we have been trained to twist our scriptures. What I said was that, “the spirits were allowed to deceive us.” Which we are (period), but, they had to leave a testimony of the fact that they had twisted the original writings. So that the truth could be found when searched for.

You wrote:
>>Moses, this is why it is necessary to receive spiritual revelation through studying, in order that Y-H-W-H can reveal the true purpose and will for mankind!<<

I have been studying the scriptures all my life and have spent 8-10 hours a day in study for the past 8 years or more. All I do is study and ponder and pray. I never stop praying and grieving for the truth. I know that I am being lead by a divine supernatural force of some kind, I receive things supernaturally every day and they are always backed up in the scriptures and in history.

posted 07-30-1999 04:05 PM            

This topic has insulted our Creator for long enough. How can it be put to you any clearer than this:

[Num 23:19] YHWH is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfil it?

[Rom 5:15.35] But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of YHWH and the free gift in the grace of that one man Yahushua Messiah abounded for many.

[1Tim 2:5.16] For there is one YHWH, and there is one mediator between YHWH and men, the man Yahushua Messiah,

Please think about the wrong you are doing to your souls. This worship and deification of a MAN is no better than the paganism so many of you criticise.

Peace,

[i]shameal[ite].

posted 07-30-1999 07:22 PM            

"RayBag wrote

quote:
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Moses, from your statement, you are once again teaching the trinitarian doctrine. There is no triune Supreme Being. There is Y-H-W-H the Father, the Originator, the Creator, the uneffible "Absolute" whose name given to mankind we do know. Then there is Y-H-W-H the Word, which can be agreed upon as being the feminine aspect of Y-H-W-H, [the Father being the masculine], who was manifested in human form to become our Saviour and our Redeemer.
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You condemn Moses for allegedly preaching a trinitarian doctrine, but then you turn right around and proclaim dualism."

posted 07-30-1999 07:40 PM            

"This topic has insulted our Creator for long enough. How can it be put to you any clearer than this:

[Num 23:19] YHWH is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfil it?"

Y-H-W-H being a man is not an issue my friend, depending on which one you are referring to. The Heavenly Father, or the Word, aka, the begotten Son of G-D.

Heb 1:5-9
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
(KJV)

"[Rom 5:15.35] But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of YHWH and the free gift in the grace of that one man Yahushua Messiah abounded for many."

No one ever denied the humanity of Yahshua, but He was also divine.

Phil 2:6
6 Who, being in the form of G-d, thought it not robbery to be equal with G-d:
(KJV)

The word translated as ‘form’ is;

3444 morphe (mor-fay');

perhaps from the base of 3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; figuratively, nature:

KJV-- form.

"[1Tim 2:5.16] For there is one YHWH, and there is one mediator between YHWH and men, the man Yahushua Messiah,"

Again, the bible teaches that Yahshua was also G-D manifest in flesh;

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: G-d was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(KJV)

Yahshua is the person referred to in this passage.

"Please think about the wrong you are doing to your souls. This worship and deification of a MAN is no better than the paganism so many of you criticise."

posted 07-30-1999 08:22 PM            

Is it I who lack understanding, or is it you? Paul said, "For we know that the law is spiritual," Rom 7:14. The law is more than meets the eye, that is why I can see where you are coming from, you have just deviated a little. Y-H-W-H created Adam and Chavah in the image and likeness of G-D, correct? When Adam existed alone, this pointed to Y-H-W-H when He was alone, but there was something in his mind, which He/She was formulating, the Word. Likewise;

Gen 5:1-2
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
(KJV)

"And called their name Adam," showing that when Adam was alone, Chavah was in him, as was the Word in Y-H-W-H; "In the beginning was the Word," in the mind of G-D. That is why Yahshua said,

John 8:42
42 Yahshua said unto them, If G-d were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from G-d; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
(KJV)

After which, "The Word was with G-D," co-existing with Him. Now, Adam was put to sleep, and Chavah was taken from him, just as the Word came forth from G-D. The Word being the feminine (Chavah), the Father, naturally, because of being the Originator, is the masculine. Hence, we have male and female, not male, female, and other, which excludes a triune deity. When the Word was brought forth from Y-H-W-H, it was given an entity o itself, which is why Solomon wrote;

Prov 8:30
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
(KJV)

Speaking of Wisdom, which is the Word of Y-H-W-H, again, co-existing with Y-H-W-H.

"You say this because you don’t understand what this term means. A triune being is a being that was created out of the genes of the "Divine Absolute," the "Holy Spirit," and their "son." It is not three distinct beings, only one being made from three.
There are also dual beings which are beings make from only the "Divine Absolute" and the "Holy Spirit", and there are dual beings created/procreated from the "Divine Absolute" and the "Divine Son," and there are beings created/procreated from the "Holy Spirit" and the "Divine Son." All different types of beings, distinct from each other in being."

The doctrine of a triune being was originated in ancient Babel, where the first ‘antichrist,’ Nimrod, and his family was feared. Nimrod=father, Semarimis=mother, Tammuz=son, therefore, you have a triune g-dhead.
The ancients knew about the masculine/feminine aspect of Y-H-W-H, but HaSatan perverted it through this first family. Nimrod was deified to become the great sun-g-d Baal, his wife became the great moon g-ddess, or as you have stated, ‘queen of heaven,’ which has been translated into the ‘holy ghost’ in modern trinitarianism, the son, is none other than the ‘promised deliverer’ that was to be sent, but perverted. This is the foundation of your doctrine, although it is not exhaustive, I hope you get the point. There is much more that could be added.

"If you this is his name, than I beg you, to use it to heal my brother-in-law who is a paraplegic. The scriptures say that there is power in the Divine name, so much so that we can make a mountain move from one place to another merely by speaking that name. We are told that in his name we can raise the dead, will you please raise my dead daughter, she was only two when she drawn and I miss her terribly. When was the last time you commanded a mountain to move in that name and saw it move for you or when was the last time you raised the dead or healed the sick?"

Your logic concerning the name of G-D, reminds me of that of an Atheist. Moses, if it be the will of our Heavenly Father, then your brother-in-law would be healed. Just because you can not utilize the power of the name, does not mean it has none. Remember this situation;

Acts 19:13-16
13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the L-rd Yahshua, saying, We adjure you by Yahshua whom Paul preacheth.
14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Yahshua I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
(KJV)

Food for thought.

"Do you get what is said in this verse, the secret’s belong to Yahweh goddess, and then it says that what is "revealed" belongs to her children. This scripture acknowledges that things are hidden in from us and the things that are hidden are what Yahweh goddess did wrong."

This verse was brought in to show that Y-H-W-H has revealed to mankind. Still, you must show PROOF for your interpretation, which you haven’t.

Deut 29:29
29 The secret things belong unto the L-RD our G-d: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
(KJV)

"I translate this verse like this:"

Operative word, ‘I’ Your opinion is not going to get anyone, neither yourself into the kingdom of Y-H-W-H!

"Then we should listen to the ancients who knew more than we do."

Only when it is in accord with the Will of Y-H-W-H.

"There is plenty of conflict in the scriptures themselves, which should tell you something."
No conflict, just misunderstandings and mistranslations, which can be corrected, via, Ruach HaQodesh.

"This was translated from the Greek where it is Iesous!!!!!! The only reason people are teaching that Yahushua is the name is, that, in the early translation, the name Joshua (Yahushua) son of Nun was erroneously translated as Iesou, so now we assume that Jesus/Iesous was also in error and should be Yahushua."

Yahshua was the original name given to the only begotten Son of G-D, there are multitudes of information to back this up! You are incorrect about that Moses.

"You are twisting what I said the same way we have been trained to twist our scriptures. What I said was that, "the spirits were allowed to deceive us." Which we are (period), but, they had to leave a testimony of the fact that they had twisted the original writings. So that the truth could be found when searched for."

No Moses, you also said that they" had to let us know that they decieved us". Check your reply. Also, I have not been trained to twist the scriptures, contrare monfrere.

"I have been studying the scriptures all my life and have spent 8-10 hours a day in study for the past 8 years or more. All I do is study and ponder and pray. I never stop praying and grieving for the truth. I know that I am being lead by a divine supernatural force of some kind, I receive things supernaturally every day and they are always backed up in the scriptures and in history."

"Divine supernatural force of some kind???" Hmmm, again my friend, take this scripture to heart;

I Jn 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(KJV)

posted 08-01-1999 12:03 AM            

>>Is there an 'absolute?'<<

To which you replied;

quote:

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I believe that the "Absolute" is the very being that we don't have the ability to know or understand. The very being that all energy, mass and mind come from.

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You also said;

quote:

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There are rules and laws for all of creation and even the fallen or lost angels and demons must live by these laws. They were allowed to change our scriptures in their attempt to deceive us, however they had to tell us that they had been changed and they had to leave the original scrolls intact so that those who truly seek could find the truths contained in them. Absolute truths can not be totally obliterated! Truth is absolute and will always be truth and that can’t be changed, therefore it exists eternally. This is a law of nature by which the angels must abide.

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Would you please make up my mind? Torah is truth, it is not the law of nature, it is the law of Yahweh. Therefore we can know Yahweh.

This is what the word says in Jeremiah 9:23,24;

quote:

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Thus saith Yahweh, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom(Let not the Sophist glory in his sophistry. i.e ["Sophist", from the Gr. sophistes, a wise man]
1.One of a class of men who taught eloquence, philosophy, and Politics in ancient Greece, and who by their use of subtle and fallacious reasoning drew upon themselves general hatred and contempt. From "Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary of the English Language"), neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he UNDERSTANDETH AND KNOWETH ME, that I am Yahweh which execise lovingkingness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith Yahweh.

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What was that you said about being unknowable?

quote:

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If the scriptures are indeed the word of the "Divine Absolute", then they are living, and they will tell truth no matter how they are translated. The English translations (as destorted as they are)do tell the story but we have been blinded to the facts that are there for us to see.

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Huh!? Aren't we "sophisticated"!

quote:

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I belive that the spirits were permitted to deceive us but they had to let us know that they were deceiving us.

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Oh, which spirit would that be? Ruach HaChodesh perhaps?

And who do you say that the Holy Spirit is?

quote:

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The so called trinity, which is "The Father", The Son/Adam, and [italics]The Holy Spirit/mother/Sophia.[/italics] These are the beings that are directly from the Father and everything else proceeded from the three of them. They are each from the Father but each one is a distinct beings, having its own individual nature and forum, but each being in the likeness of the Father.

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Or, to be more precise;

quote:

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It sounds pretty much to me that Joseph is the father of Yahushua. However his mother is the one who is the Holy Spirit. It was the wife of Yahweh, Sophia who gave birth. She is called the Queen of Heaven by the Catholic church.

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So, Yahshua is the product of Man mating with a spirit female? Hmm, I thought Yashua said the the father is a spirit? John 4:23,24

Hearken, I hear Yahweh speaking through Jeremiah again;

quote:

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The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink-offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. 7:18

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And just what more do you have to say about the queen of heaven?

quote:

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I believe that the angel Yahweh, is the cursed goddess Yahweh/Sophia who is the wife of Yahweh father. She fell from heaven and became the whore. The creation that Iesous took part in was that of corruption. The sons of elohim (the cursed goddess) mating with the daughters of man and animals and flying thing and creeping things.

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So if Ruach HaChodesh is "Sophia", and "Sophia" is evil, What does Yahshua have to say about you?

quote:

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Wherefore I say unto you All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but blasphemy against the Ruach HaChodesh shall not be forgiven unto men. Mt.12:31

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quote:

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The holy scriptures as given to us in their original state were indeed the inspired word of our creator. They encompass all wisdom and knowledge of everything that has or ever will exist, they tell all. They are indeed awesome, a thing to be beheld. There is still a glimmer of the truth hidden deep down in them, so we must dig down deep and find the awesome truths contained in them. Even though our holy scriptures have been pillaged, if we will but glean them we will come away with a full harvest.

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Oh please, if we get a full harvest of what you are trying to plant we would be able to run a methane factory. This is just a tease to draw us further out into the water so "crocky" can have us for dinner. And what's this?

quote:

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If you this is his name, than I beg you, to use it to heal my brother-in-law who is a paraplegic. The scriptures say that there is power in the Divine name, so much so that we can make a mountain move from one place to another merely by speaking that name. We are told that in his name we can raise the dead, will you please raise my dead daughter, she was only two when she drawn and I miss her terribly. When was the last time you commanded a mountain to move in that name and saw it move for you or when was the last time you raised the dead or healed the sick?

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Now, if we are so deluded, and you so wise(sophisticated), why would you come to us for help? This reminds me of how certain men are going to places like shopping malls and approaching unsuspecting women, and feeding them a line like their little girl is dying and in need of help. Since the woman naturally wants to help, she goes with him to the parkinglot, only to be abducted in a waiting van.

I smell a lying spirit here.

posted 08-01-1999 04:21 AM            

It is your interpretation of what the scriptures say.

You wrote:
>>"The Word was with G-D," again, not my words, but the words of the scriptures.<<

The word was with the goddess, not my words, but the words of the scriptures.

You wrote:
>>Is it I who lack understanding, or is it you?<<

I think we all lack understanding.

You wrote:
>>Paul said, "For we know that the law is spiritual," Rom 7:14.<<

What does the word spiritual mean:
Spiritual: not composed of matter: dedicated to or hallowed by association with a deity: relating to sacred matters:

The laws of nature are spiritual. They are not composed of matter and are dedicated to the creator, relating to the sacred matters of nature/existence.

You wrote:
>>The ancients knew about the masculine/feminine aspect of Y-H-W-H, but HaSatan perverted it through this first family.<<

The first family that perverted it was Yahweh/Sophia and Yahweh/Adam, when they fell from heaven.

You wrote:
>>if it be the will of our Heavenly Father, then your brother-in-law would be healed. Just because you can not utilize the power of the name, does not mean it has none.
Remember this situation; Acts 19:13-16 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the L-rd Yahshua, saying, We adjure you by Yahshua whom Paul preacheth.14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Yahshua I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. (KJV)<<

So are you saying that you can’t perform a healing in this name? Are you saying it is because you are an exorcist unknown to the divine? Have you had the evil spirits speak to you, when you tried and failed to heal? Did they jump into you? “THERE IS POWER IN THE DIVINE NAME.” Either you can heal in the name or it isn’t the name.

You wrote:
>>Yahshua was the original name given to the only begotten Son of G-D, there are multitudes of information to back this up!<<

Would you PLEASE, PLEASE, give me the multitudes of information to back this up????????????

You wrote:
>>No Moses, you also said that they" had to let us know that they decieved us."

I know quite well what I wrote and you are TWISTING the meaning and intent of what I wrote. YES, they had to tell us that we are deceived but they didn’t give us an understanding about what they wrote so, we don’t understand is plain to see and we are still deceived. Its all there, if we open our eyes to see with and ears to hear with. We have to have the veil lifted from our minds.

You wrote:
>>"Divine supernatural force of some kind???" Hmmm, again my friend, take this scripture to heart;<<

BELIEVE ME, I take every scripture to heart. I have tested everything I have been shown against the scriptures and it ALL lines up.
Are you offended by the term “Divine supernatural force?”
Isn’t the being you worship a “Divine supernatural force?

Shalom, Moses