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naesimo

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posted 11-09-2007 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always start getting depressed this time of year. Since decorating for Christmas was such an "event" I started like a week before Thanksgiving. My family gathers together for Christmas next door, and it's the only opportunity we have to see some of them. So they are like right there but not really. But then we don't know if going would make us hypocrites. Decorating and wrapping gifts was one way I helped my grandmother. I think some things I did when we would celebrate Christmas made them feel like she was still around. There is a young Christian couple just starting out and I have been asked to give them some of my stuff because they don't have the money to buy things for Christmas. If somebody has some advice I'd appreciate it. If they were going to buy the stuff anyway I think save them the money. But still it's hard to know what to do exactly. The town is already decorating. But really Christmas isn't any different than Halloween?

LINKIN PARK LYRICS

"My December"

This is my December
This is my time of the year
This is my December
This is all so clear
This is my December
This is my snow covered home
This is my December
This is me alone

And I
Just wish that
I didn't feel
Like there was
Something I missed
And I
Take back all
The things I said
To make you
Feel like that
And I
Just wish that
I didn't feel
Like there was
Something I missed
And I
Take back all the
Things I said to you

And I give it all away
Just to have somewhere
To go to
Give it all away
To have someone
To come home to

This is my December
These are my snow-covered trees
This is me pretending
This is all I need

And I
Just wish that
I didn't feel
Like there was
Something I missed
And I
Take back all
The things I said
To make you feel like that
And I
Just wish that
I didn't feel
Like there was
Something I missed
And I
Take back all the things
I said to you

And I give it all away
Just to have
Somewhere to go to
Give it all away
To have someone
To come home to

This is my December
This is my time of the year
This is my December
This is all so clear

And I give it all away
Just to have somewhere
To go to
Give it all away
To have someone
To come home to

And I give it all away
Just to have
Somewhere to go to
Give it all away
To have someone
To come home to

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becky

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posted 11-09-2007 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for becky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Good morning,
quote:
You say - I decided to just post the link to the song myself. I articulated my question about Christmas the best I could. I guess it boils down to if we spend time with them on Christmas is that hypocritical or being unequally yoked?


There is a lot that I can share with you. Choosing to follow the truth is not easy. There is always a high price to pay when it comes to following Messiah:

Luk 14:25 And large crowds were going with Him, and turning, He said to them,
Luk 14:26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, and his own life too, he is unable to be My taught one.
Luk 14:27 “And whoever does not bear his stake and come after Me is unable to be My taught one.
Luk 14:28 “For who of you, wishing to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
Luk 14:29 “Otherwise, when he has laid the foundation, and is unable to finish it, all who see it begin to mock him,
Luk 14:30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was unable to finish.’
Luk 14:31 “Or what sovereign, going to fight against another sovereign, does not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 “And if not, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace.
Luk 14:33 “So, then, everyone of you who does not give up all that he has, is unable to be My taught one.

Just remember, that whatever you do, it MUST be done completely in faith. Because whatever is not of faith is sin......love to you.......becky

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naesimo

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posted 11-09-2007 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Becky,

I thought since we don't see my family anymore for Christmas that showed I hate them in comparison to my love for Messiah. I thought I made it pretty clear that I KNEW it wasn't easy. That's what I was expressing by saying I get depressed because this is confusing and sharing the lyrics. It would be the only opportunity to share things we believe with some of them.

What if some people in your life still keep the "mainstream Christian" things and even so far as Halloween, but then there are ALSO other people in your life that don't do those things anymore BUT they ALSO don't do things like keep Shabbat or Feasts YET. Infact where they are right now doesn't feel led to focus on Shabbat or Feasts YET? So can a person in that position judge others for the Day of Rest or Holidays THEY keep? I hope you understand the questions.

Thanks for your help.

Shalom,
Naesimo

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Chayil Ishshah

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posted 11-09-2007 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chayil Ishshah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naesimo:
Becky,

I thought since we don't see my family anymore for Christmas that showed I hate them in comparison to my love for Messiah. I thought I made it pretty clear that I KNEW it wasn't easy. That's what I was expressing by saying I get depressed because this is confusing and sharing the lyrics. It would be the only opportunity to share things we believe with some of them.

What if some people in your life still keep the "mainstream Christian" things and even so far as Halloween, but then there are ALSO other people in your life that don't do those things anymore BUT they ALSO don't do things like keep Shabbat or Feasts YET. Infact where they are right now doesn't feel led to focus on Shabbat or Feasts YET? So can a person in that position judge others for the [b]Day of Rest or Holidays THEY keep? I hope you understand the questions.

Thanks for your help.

Shalom,
Naesimo[/B]


Naesimo,

Shalom to you in your quest for His Truth.

A point I would like to bring out is how we allow people to point fingers at us, in other words when I stopped keeping x-mas and birthdays I went to my family members and friends and showed them the Scriptural reasons for not doing so. I told them that I loved them but that I felt I had to follow the Scripture to the best of my understanding.

Inevitably, there were some members of the family that would send x-mas presents or birthday presents; which I would give back to the giver. While that seems unloving and judging them on their "holy day" it's not. Please look at the other side of the fence, are they being loving? No, they are actually sowing seeds of discord and division pitting the children against the parent. They are not loving their neighbor as themselves.

It is a fallacy that people can "only" see their family during the world's holidays. That is an excuse. We can send them invitations for Yahuah's Feast days or just have any day available. There is no written law that says we can't get together with our earthly families on days other than the world's holidays. If they don't come to the invitation then they don't. It's their choice; however, we cannot allow hasatan to work guilt in us to think that we must do it the world's ways.

I hope that you take this in the way that it is intended. I am not condemning or judging; for some reason I feel you take my posts to you that way.

With love in Messiah,

~dawn

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becky

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posted 11-09-2007 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for becky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chayil Ishshah:
Naesimo,

I hope that you take this in the way that it is intended. I am not condemning or judging; for some reason I feel you take my posts to you that way.

With love in Messiah,

~dawn


Hello Dawn,
You said it very well and I can relate from personal experience to the truth of what you just shared.....thanks for your kind words........becky

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adelore

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posted 11-09-2007 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom Naesimo,

When you say your family Celebrates Christmas and get together on that day, just what do you mean by that? Do they have a "worship" type service on that day at their house? Or are they just getting together, exchanging gifts, having Dinner ect.?

Is Yahushua (Jes*s, to most christians on that day.) the real reason for the gathering that day, or does it happen to be, like most christians a time for gathering of families, and believe it or not Jes*s, is really pretty much left out, unless they go to "Church" that day.

(Please bear with me while I try to explain myself, sometimes I blunder as I know in my mind what I'm trying to get across, yet sometimes I have problems getting it out just like I want it to come out.)

Everyday in the world if we look around there are tons of "Pagan" things around us. Just take a good look. The store's are full of Pagan things throughout the year, the city streets, as you've pointed out are starting to put up their holiday glitter. How do we avoid all of that? We can't, yet we can stand strong in our Faith.

Now back to the question, what should you do, since it's not the holiday that you are wanting to celabrate, yet you'd like to see members of your family.

Now some may Disagree with me, yet I look for opportunity's to share the Truth with members of my own family, for I once was where my family is now too. Halloween, Christmas, Easter, and such.

Did Yahushua avoid the Sinner? No He came to Save the Sinner and Bring the Truth of our Father to them. So why couldn't you take this time of year and share the Good News, with your family?

Wouldn't this be a good time to take some of the Pamplets that we can print out from Eliyah's Website and fold them and put them into a card envalope, Such as the Missing J, What we believe, ect. Or how about giving them the book, fossiled customs, or the book about the Sabbath. I think your starting to see what I mean. There's just so much we can give our familes, that at this time of year is a "Golden Oppertunity" to do so.

For example, this year, (since some of my family still celebrates Chirstmas, yet for some reason, Jes*s is left out of it mostly, as with most Christians today) I plan on giving each one of my children, my parents ect. The books, by Todd Bennett, Walk in the Light Series, 1.Names, 2.Kosher, 3.The Law and Grace,4.The Sabbath. I am also going to include the Book, Fossilized Customs by Lew White. In a plain White gift bag.

Now some may think this makes me Celbrating the Pagan Holiday. I however am not seeing it that way at all. I'm using this as a Chance to get "Truth" into their hands at a time of year they will accept it. (although I must admit, my family doesn't exchange gifts, but I will still leave this "gift" full of "Truth" for them.)

My daughter's and my paretns, still put up a "Christams Tree" and all the fixings. Should I be afraid to go to their house, because of a Tree that can do me no harm?

I've heard some say that at Halloween, they passed out tracks of Truth with a bit of candy. May I ask what's the difference in doing that, or going over to someone's house with a Tree, having Dinner and giving them the gift of Books with the Truth's in it? It's all about planting the Seed for Yahweh.

Most families work, and during this time of year, is the only time they have off together, lot's of families work different shifts, or out of town. It's hard in today's world to get everyone together at one time. This I understand.

You of course must decide what you will do, but these were just my thoughts and what I plan on doing. To me planting the seed for Yahweh, far outweighs anything else.

May Yahweh Bless,

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Annette
e-mail: adelore at praiseyahweh dot com

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naesimo

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posted 11-09-2007 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dawn,

I appreciate you trying to help.

Does anybody here who has started to keep Feasts and Shabbat and food laws still go to an inhome family Christmas party? Can somebody please show the Scriptures Paul wrote about getting invited to eat with gentiles or something?

Where's Shield of David when I need him?

I really do appreciate everybody here and I see you guys as family in Messiah but I think I should take some time away from the board before I get banned or something and meditate on somethings. I guess I got alot of meditating and digesting to do.

Shalom & Love,
Naesimo

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naesimo

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posted 11-09-2007 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adelore,

Thanks for your reply. Yeah they eat and give gifts to the kids in the family and it isn't on Christmas day but just in December sometime. They prayed before we ate but we didn't read the Bible while we were over there.

I will have to meditate on some of the other things you said but just because I don't understand it all yet doesn't mean I'm not trying or I don't appreciate everybody's help.

Shalom & Love,
Naesimo

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becky

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posted 11-09-2007 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for becky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naesimo:
Becky,

Thanks for your help.

Shalom,
Naesimo


Hi Naesimo,
I'm sorry, I know stuff can be hard to understand sometimes. It is truly a narrow way.I am here for you as much as you need......love to you, sis......becky

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naesimo

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posted 11-09-2007 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Becky,

Thanks. I guess I might as well just start signing off with my name .

Love,
Renae

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becky

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posted 11-09-2007 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for becky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naesimo:
Becky,

Thanks. I guess I might as well just start signing off with my name .

Love,
Renae


At least with me, huh? becky

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naesimo

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posted 11-09-2007 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess with everything else the people here know about me they might as well know my name.

More and more I believe being unequally yoked is about being yoked with a bunch of self-righteous, condemning, know it all, grace denying, and judging Scribes and Pharisees!!!

See ya wouldn't wanna be ya! There are too many teachers here that have no business teaching, atleast teaching to ME anyway.

I cry to Elohim tearing at my heart and beating my chest, SHOW FAVOR UNTO ME A SINNER!!!!!!

I would much rather be a whore, tax collector, theif, than a Pharisee.

Like I said before, yeah honey draws flies, but so does B.S. And some folks are just drawn to B.S. Not me honey. And if that don't get me banned nothing will I guess. But I also recall that we don't have to sugar coat things around here and can be as blunt as we like. We don't have to be particular with folks' weak "sensiblities". Unless B.S. is too strong a word.

When I first came here there were people that I should've paid more attention to, that said I leave and come back because everything always turns into a debate over doctrine. They said it just never feels edifying.

And I will now grovel and beg at these brothers and sisters feet that I didn't pay more attention to them and what they said and hope and pray that I can still connect with them.

Later,
Renae

PS--Go on delete, what do I care, as long as one person sees it.

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squartucci

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posted 11-09-2007 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for squartucci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom naeismo

How beautiful to know you by name!

I celebrate with my extended family every chance I get.

Yes, I eat with those "pagans" on Christmas, thanksgiving, Fourth of July and Labor day too cause I love them and have no concerns that YHWH will misunderstand me.
YHWH is not interested in setting up walls between people according to holidays and traditions but in tearing down walls between people with true love.

I have had enough religion and its bondage to last a lifetime. I am free to love now.

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.
But wisdom is justified of her children.

Shalom,
Sharon

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adelore

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posted 11-09-2007 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naesimo,

I understand your confusion. Wow, there's so much to learn about the "Truths" that maybe we hadn't known for years. The Truth be told, I'm still newer in my walk in the "Truths". Yet even though I'm newer and I consider myself a "toddler" in this, for I don't understand all the "Feast" yet, but I'm studing on them.

Please don't let this all "overwhelm" you. We each walk at our own pace, as Yahweh guides us.

But what I do know about the Sabbath, the True Names of Yahweh and Yahushua, The Food Laws, and some of the Pagan Customs, I have been sharing with my family, friends, and even people I don't know, all with love for Yahweh and I'm not pushy about it. Sure some of them think I'm a "little off my rocker", yet that doesn't matter, the seed was planted for Yahweh, He knows my heart and my intentions. That's all that matters, is what Yahweh knows about me.

I will Pray that Yahweh will Guide you on what to do on this.

May Yahweh Bless You,

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Annette
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adelore

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posted 11-09-2007 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naesimo:

Does anybody here who has started to keep Feasts and Shabbat and food laws still go to an inhome family Christmas party? Can somebody please show the Scriptures Paul wrote about getting invited to eat with gentiles or something?

Shalom & Love,
Naesimo


I wish I could find the Scriptures that Paul wrote that you are asking for. I've been looking, but I've drawn a "blank" as to where they are. I'm sorry.

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Annette
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