I'm really sorry if there has been some misunderstandings in this topic but I guess because I already said that I was depressed and confused about what to do I was easily overwhelmed. I think I went on info overload or something.

But I feel like every post was useful, even when it went off topic some. But I appreciate everybody responding to the topic and it has really helped us alot. So if I didn't address you personally in this topic, please forgive me if I didn't know what to say or was overwhelmed or confused but let me take this time now to say thank you and please continue to post in this topic as led.

http://www.abcog.org/birthday.htm

this is why we don't do b-days anymore.

Shalom,

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Originally posted by angeL217:
Origins and Meanings of b-day traditions:

http://www.abcog.org/birthday.htm

this is why we don't do b-days anymore.

Shalom,

angeL

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Hello, angel:

I already know and am aware of certain groups not keeping people's b-days. However, they were not just kept by pagan kings by any means. Usually when the Scriptures mentions that a son was so-and-so age, etc., it means that he was that old on that day many times. Consider Joseph, a son of 17 years, and his father had him a robe. Now, one can make any b-day pagan, but Yahushua was a religious figure anyway and all kinds of pagan things were incorporated into an already wrong birth date. Go read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
It gives you a pretty good rundown of stuff.

The Scriptures hid his date of birth to protect him. However, the date is there if one cares to research it. I know the exact date, but what good will it do anyone if they don't really research it? One has to be also aware of other historical documents, correctly reading of the Greek which isn't translated correctly, and it helps to have an astronomy software too! I will tell you this, it's in very early Oct., very early, and it's not Tabernacles either. It's on the Day of Atonement. That, I will tell you. When you understand what that day really means, it holds an even higher significance for the date of his birth, but it's the date of his death that holds even higher importance for all of mankind. Isn't it interesting how the opposite holds true here?

We observe b-days, but we do not go overboard. I'm not a religious figure and know when I was born. Even on Thanksgiving, which I'm leery of keeping with family because of the fact that they are all talking x-mas, I'm thankful every day to Yahweh for our food that we eat. We can keep it with them, but I'm just no longer caught up in that tradition anyway. So basically, we don't keep that tradition in the way of family outside the assembly.

KC

thanks for the information. I was not aware that haMashiac's b-day was on the Day of Atonement. What a special day it is anyway, and even more so now!

I acknowledge my daughters b-day by telling her I was glad that she was born and maybe letting her not do the dishes for the day, and making a special meal that she picks out. We don't do presents on that day, not physical ones. I usually give her presents through out the year and this year we won't be doing Hanumas (it was brought to my attention how like that great evil winter pagan day it is) anymore, either.

My daughter and I have had to give up lots of things: that great evil winter pagan day aka mithras b-day aka x-mas, our own and other's birthdays, ishtar, restaurants that are not kosher (we don't care if a "rabbi" blesses the food, we want to be served scripturally clean food in a clean restaurant), un-halloween, saying certain words, ect, ect.

We are blessed by YAHUAH because we really didn't have a hard time giving that stuff up. Praise HIM! It was not a big deal to either one of us. My family, especially my mother, on the other hand, was very UPSET! She accused me of being in a cult, of following a "doctrine of demons," of separating us from the family, of reading a different "bible" then she did, etc, etc.

I have tried to share with her the Truths that I have found, but she won't listen to me. I was always the "rebellious one" of the family, the one that "acted out" the dyfunction of our family when I was younger. She still sees me as that "rebellious child" and refuses to take what I say seriously. I think in her heart she knows what I am saying is true, or at least some of it, but she would have to give up the "world" and all it's beautiful lies, and she is not willing to give those up. We keep praying for her and the rest of the family.

Thanks again,

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Originally posted by KittyCat:

Hi, Missy:

Our daughter was 6 when we stopped keeping it. My husband and I sit down and told her that we lied about Santa and all that stuff. That was difficult to do. But she did handle it very well. It was just hard telling her that parents had lied to her. To little kids, they trust you and believe that Santa mess until they reach a certain age.

Anyway, I never heard my whole life that x-mas was pagan. I grew up going to the Methodist church, so maybe that's why. I always think about this verse in 1 Pet. 1:18, ...knowing that not with corruptible things, silver or gold, were you redeemed from your worthless way of life handed down from your fathers...

Actually, we inherited lies from them and it just keeps on going and going on in a vicious cycle. Look up the words to this verse. The last part means this:

G3970
patroparadotos
pat-rop-ar-ad'-ot-os
From G3962 and a derivative of G3860 (in the sense of handing over or down); traditionary: - received by tradition from fathers.

That was a Green's translation, but look it up in KJV and other Bibles.

KC[/B]

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Yeah I can imagine the difficulty with telling a child... "Errr.. Mommy and Daddy..errr lied". That's one of the biggest problems I don't get.. why do people lie to their kids about it ? I mean I understand the fantasy and whatnot but why not just say.. Mommy and Daddy got you these things ? And it absolutely baffles me when people have a FIT when you mention around children there is no Santa Claus. My thought is you are angry because your child knows some truth ? How twisted is that ??? And that's not to be critical or judgemental of people, it's just to say I don't understand the rational of lying to the children.. doesn't it teach the children to lie themselves ? Kids learn more by what we DO rather than what we say. But I am thankful that more and more people these days are actually raising their children in the truth and finding out about these lies inherited from the fathers. YAH's word is spreading and more people are being joined to him!

Good point with 1 Shimon (Peter) 1:18 and I am VERY familiar with this verse and have discussed it in depth. Yiremyahu 16:19 made reference to this:

Look at what Yah tells Yisra'El to say to the Gentiles:

Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) 16:11-20 "Then you are to say to them, 'It is because your forefathers have forsaken Me,' declares YHWH, 'and have followed other gods and served them and bowed down to them; but Me they have forsaken and have not kept My Torah. 12 'You too have done evil, even more than your forefathers; for behold, you are each one walking according to the stubbornness of his own evil heart, without listening to Me. 13 'So I will hurl you out of this land into the land which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers; and there you will serve other gods day and night, for I will grant you no favor.' 14 "Therefore behold, days are coming," declares YHWH, "when it will no longer be said, 'As YHWH lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,' 15 but, 'As YHWH lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.' For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers. 16 "Behold, I am going to send for many fishermen," declares YHWH, "and they will fish for them; and afterwards I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them from every mountain and every hill and from the clefts of the rocks. 17 "For My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from My face, nor is their iniquity concealed from My eyes. 18 "I will first doubly repay their iniquity and their sin, because they have polluted My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable idols and with their abominations." 19 O YHWH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. 20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, Yet they are no gods!

And I have to give respect to the Yehudim then and now that have helped and are still helping many Gentiles come to the knowledge of truth about the lies inherited. And not only the Yehudim but other leaders in the faith that have learned of the errors, stepped forward for Yah, are continuing to teach against the lies inherited! So the more knowledge that is shared the better chance others will have to "Come out of Her"! And this is something I pray for every time I pray for Yah to bring out as many people as possible before it's to late. But again.. it's a matter of choice to leave those inherited lies behind and be joined FULLY to Yah.

I noticed that you mentioned Thanksgiving. Guess what ?

YHWH GAVE US a time for Thanksgiving.. it's SUKKOT (The Feast of Tabernacles)!

Now I am not trying to say anything negative about celebrating the American holiday of Thanksgiving but a lot believers don't celebrate it because of the idea that it comes from Sukkot in the first place and opt to keep Yah's time instead.

So why celebrate a man made day for one day when Yah gave us an entire WEEK!

Even better!

Here's an interesting article from Jewish Journal:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=11410

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Originally posted by angeL217:
Shalom KC,

thanks for the information. I was not aware that haMashiac's b-day was on the Day of Atonement. What a special day it is anyway, and even more so now!

I,

angeL
chosen (in the chat room)

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angeL and KC

Yeshua's birthday on day of Atonement ?

KC.. I would be really interested in why you think specifically that Yeshua's birthday would be on Day of Atonement because the only area where I have heard of Yeshua's birthday a being Yom Kippur comes from Bible Codes which frankly aren't that reliable and done with a lot of speculative ideas and conjecture reasoning.

And I would have to wonder why would YAH want his son born at a time where we are to afflict our souls ? And not a time when we are to rejoice and be thankful...

I don't mean any disrespect, but I don't think so because you can actually just count it out without speculating anything:

http://www.messianic.com/articles/dates.htm

and

http://www.familybible.org/Downloads/Yeshua's%20Birthday.pdf

Please don't take offense.. I am just offerring another alternative to look at..if you choose to believe Yeshua was born on Yom Kippur.. I don't see the big deal as it's not a salvational issue.

Shalom again,
Missy

I am thankful every day to Yahweh. I do not choose one particular day to be thankful, which is what I was trying to say, but every day and at every meal, I am thankful to Yahweh. And it's not just food, but even things such as water to drink, a roof over my head, etc.

KC

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Originally posted by KittyCat:
I don't have anything to do with the Bible codes. I'm personally not interested in those at all. And I don't have time to go into Yahushua's birth date at the present time because I'm tied up working.

I am thankful every day to Yahweh. I do not choose one particular day to be thankful, which is what I was trying to say, but every day and at every meal, I am thankful to Yahweh. And it's not just food, but even things such as water to drink, a roof over my head, etc.

KC

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I was saying that "I" have only heard of it from Bible codes.. I wasn't saying that's where you got it from hence why I asked how you came up with it. But if you don't have time to explain it I do understand. No problem.

Would you mind sharing the benefits or blessing you have experienced from you approach and traditions, and perhaps any drawbacks or "negatives" that you might have experienced? Robin and I are trying to start our traditions in our family. We believe family traditions are very good for children, for they relate to traditions even more than scripture at times. We may not do exactly what you do, but some of your traditions might assist us in developing our own.

Why would you believe the passover is more important than the day of atonement? Just curious, but that's a whole new topic.

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Originally posted by GregO:
KC,

Would you mind sharing the benefits or blessing you have experienced from you approach and traditions, and perhaps any drawbacks or "negatives" that you might have experienced? Robin and I are trying to start our traditions in our family. We believe family traditions are very good for children, for they relate to traditions even more than scripture at times. We may not do exactly what you do, but some of your traditions might assist us in developing our own.

Why would you believe the passover is more important than the day of atonement? Just curious, but that's a whole new topic.

Greg and Robin

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Hi, Greg:

I am very short of time right now to explain a lot of anything. I'm working. I do not follow pagan traditions, period. Let me state that first off. If anyone would take the time to even look up the word "thanksgiving" (the act of giving thanks, etc.) in English and then in the Bible that would help your understanding of what I'm trying to state. Just because someone names a day (proper noun form) Thanksgiving Day, doesn't mean that I'm not thankful to Yahweh on that day too.

Part of the key in this verse: Mat 15:3 But answering He (Yahushua) said to them, Why do you also transgress the command of eloah on account of your tradition?

I don't transgress the commandment of eloah on account of any tradition. But if you're looking for a tradition that we keep, if you want to call it a tradition, every year around our anniversary we go to some cabins for a mini-vacation, my husband and I.

KC

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Originally posted by Missy:
[b] KC

I noticed that you mentioned Thanksgiving. Guess what ?

YHWH GAVE US a time for Thanksgiving.. it's SUKKOT (The Feast of Tabernacles)!

Now I am not trying to say anything negative about celebrating the American holiday of Thanksgiving but a lot believers don't celebrate it because of the idea that it comes from Sukkot in the first place and opt to keep Yah's time instead.

So why celebrate a man made day for one day when Yah gave us an entire WEEK!

Even better!

Here's an interesting article from Jewish Journal:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=11410

Shalom,
M[/B]

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OK. I was kind of thinking more along the line of the anniversary tradition (cool idea...maybe I'll surprise my wife next June), but applied to "pagan" holidays, such as thanksgiving. Because you have decided to follow none of them, then there is nothing to say about it.

I respect your decision 100%, by the way.

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Originally posted by GregO:
KC,

OK. I was kind of thinking more along the line of the anniversary tradition (cool idea...maybe I'll surprise my wife next June), but applied to "pagan" holidays, such as thanksgiving. Because you have decided to follow none of them, then there is nothing to say about it.

I respect your decision 100%, by the way.

Thanks for sharing,
Greg

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Hi, Greg:

I'm sorry that I've been so busy. Still am busy as we speak.

Well, we don't even call it a tradition, BTW. It's a mini-vacation, but I suppose one could call it that if they wanted. We just plan our min-vacation around that time to go to these cabins where there are NO PHONES, etc., and swim, rest and relax, enjoy nature and the peace and quiet.

I don't keep people's idea of Thanksgiving. But like I said, I am thankful every day anyway and grateful to Yahweh for the food on our table. And when the specific Thanksgiving Day rolls around, I'm thankful on that day just like I was the day before that and the day before that too. I'm saying that just because people call it Thanksgiving, then I'm not unthankful on that day.

To those of you guys on here that don't keep Thanksgiving Day in a traditional sense either, does this mean that you are not thankful to Yahweh on that day?

BTW, for whoever is interested, I keep all the feast days of Yahweh.

KC

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Originally posted by becky:
Hey Missy!!
Thank you!..Perfect!....love to you....becky

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Hey Becky!!

Love you in Messiah as well!

Ivrim (Hebrews) 13:1 Let brotherly love continue.