""""Our family's prayers go out to you. Dh was injured in an auto accident 8 years ago and has some of the same symtoms. He has the leaky spinal fluid and people look at us like we are crazy as if it doesn't happen. He opted not to have the surgery as it wouldn't improve much and would probably have to redo every so often. Well pray for you and keep the stress level low if you can as it seems to increase the pain.

Yes, you are certainly correct, stress does increase the pain, and so does not having enough rest either.

My prayers for you too.

Thanks, Yahweh bless,

Elyahc= Eljah C,

Please may I have your source information for making this statement?

Which questions? On another thread?

In reponce to Eliyahc's research and Larry's responce.

So to use Theos or Dios is wrong in your book but not in Larry's because they are generic terms or names taken from Zues, as scholars so name them since Hebrew doesn't have a term meaning titles, even though they come from the same name Zues.

I see no difference with the generic term God. To me one would be bad if the other is bad. To me Larry is inconsistent. I think at least Eliyahc is consistent even though I consistently disagree with his hypothesis unproven that he bases it on. Yahueh is my Dios, Theos, Elohim, El, Eloah, and God!

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David ben Yacob

May I ask in what context the term "Lord" was being used in the new hymnal? Perhaps you could even reproduce the verses of the songs it was being used in.

I had written, "As for "God," this is the name that Leah, born and raised in a heathen household, gave Jacob's son. Archaeology has proven that the idol "God" was worshipped in her home town of Haran."

To which you responded:

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Please may I have your source information for making this statement?

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I reply: I have already given you my source reference once before, David. It was at the 2004 Unity Conference, as a handout for the presentation I gave on this very topic. Here it is again, though, just in case you didn't read that handout. I believe the most forthright source I offered proving that GAD was worshipped in Leah's home town of Haran comes from The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, a reference that flat-out states "Gad" (pronounced "GOD," as we have already shown) was worshipped in "the Hauran," another way of writing "Haran." Anyway, shown below is an excerpt from pages 12-13 of the handout I gave everyone:

3) Information gleaned from several independent, unbiased sources strongly suggests that the worship of Gad was prevalent in the area where Laban and his family lived. The reference works I consulted also agree that the deity God (rendered Gadn English translations) was most likely worshipped in Canaan prior to the birth of Zilpah’s son. From The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Volume IV, Funk and Wagnalls Company, New York, 1908, p. 418, we read the following regarding the origin of the Canaanite deity Gad: “The origin of the god Gad is in doubt. It is possible that he arose as the personification of the abstract concept of good fortune, though it must be said that this process is not usual in the Semitic sphere. None of the Old Testament passages which bear on the question are very early, unless the view of the critical school be correct which inclines to the belief that the tribe of Gad, like that of Asher, took its name from the god. The newer explanation of the composite origin of the Hebrew nation as including clans absorbed by conquest, tradition recording this fact by assigning to the clans so absorbed a humbler origin as the descendants of concubines, would make for an early origin of the deity. But these conclusions are by no means universally accepted, and the worship, even the existence, of Gad in strictly Canaanitic provenance earlier than the Exile rests on the two place names Baal-gad and Migdal-gad (ut. sup.).”

According to A Dictionary of the Bible, Volume II, edited by James Hastings, M.A., D.D., Charles Scribner’s Sons, New York, 1899, p. 76, “A trace of the Syr. worship of Gad is regarded as being indicated by the exclamation of Leah when Zilpah, her maid, bore Jacob a son (Gn 30¹¹).” This same reference adds that Gad was “a native Canaanite word, retained by the Israelites in consequence of the tendency to polytheism which existed among them as late as the time of the Babylonian captivity....” Finally, this reference gives the following conclusion: “Further testimony to the worship of Gad in Canaan is to be found in the place-names Baal-gad (Jos. 11¹⁷ 12⁷ 13⁵), where Baal was worshipped as god of fortune, and Migdal-gad (Jos 15³⁷), ‘the tower of Gad.’ The Hebrews also were so accustomed to regard the worship of Gad as a natural thing, that the words addressed by Esau to Isaac his father, ‘let my father arise’ (Gen 27³¹), are explained in Bereshith Rabba, p. 65, as an invocation to Gada or fortune.”

According to The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, New York and Nashville, item “Gad (Deity),” p. 335, “The nature of the deity is clear from an Aramaic-Greek bilingual inscription from Palmyra, where he is identified with Tyche, ‘Fortune.’ His cult was particularly popular in the Hauran.” (Note: “Hauran” is a reference to the city of Haran. Laban was from Haran (Gen. 27:43).

In the work Old Testament Commentaries: Isaiah XV to Ezekiel XXIV by Keil and Delitzsch, Associated Publishers and Authors, Inc., Grand Rapids, MI, 1970, p. 479, we read, “There can be no doubt, therefore, that Gad, the god of good fortune, more especially if the name of the place Baal-Gad is to be explained in the same way as Baal-hammân, is Baal (Bel) as the god of good fortune.”

I hope you find this information helpful to your studies. Take care and may Yahweh bless!

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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The only problem I find with your logic is that Yahueh would tolerate the name of GAWD to be given to the trib GAWD which you assume worshipped the idol GAWD and some day according to Revelation21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from ,

21:11 Having the glory of : and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

I just think Yahueh's thought are above your thoughts and His ways above your ways. I may not understand it either but the proof is clearly there that this is how it is.

In the name of our Messiah Yahushua, Soveriegn of soveriegns,

You wrote:

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So to use Theos or Dios is wrong in your book but not in Larry's because they are generic terms or names taken from Zues, as scholars so name them since Hebrew doesn't have a term meaning titles, even though they come from the same name Zues.

I see no difference with the generic term God. To me one would be bad if the other is bad. To me Larry is inconsistent. I think at least Eliyahc is consistent even though I consistently disagree with his hypothesis unproven that he bases it on. Yahueh is my Dios, Theos, Elohim, El, Eloah, and God!

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I reply: David, I am waiting for anyone, you included, to show me where there was ever an idol named Theos in the Greek pantheon. In fact, I challenge you to show me where any culture anywhere, any time ever worshipped an idol by the name of "Theos." You've had several years to produce the evidence. Why have you not done so?

I would also like to see where it can be demonstrated that the generic title "Theos" is derived from "Zeus," please.

As for one of the titles you used above, DIOS, this name is only used as a name in the Bible. It is the name of a heathen idol. All anyone has to do to validate this fact is look up Acts 14:13 in an interlinear. The Greek name DIOS, which appears in that particular verse, is translated "Zeus" in English.

We thus see that DIOS comes closer to the actual name of that Greek idol than "Zeus" does!

But nowhere do we read of Theos representing the name of a heathen idol. There is a reason for this: It wasn't. If you can demonstrate otherwise, please do so.

I believe I would be, as you charge me, inconsistent if I, on the one hand, supported referring to Yahweh with a certain title that can be traced to the name of a heathen idol, while on the other hand, I believed it was wrong to use another title that can also be traced to the name of a heathen idol. I have not done this. If I have, then I believe, to be fair, you should demonstrate as much instead of making generalizations that do not hold any water.

For the record, I maintain that anyone who refers to Yahweh as his "God" or "Dios" as you do, dishonors Him, whether it be intentionally or unintentionally, as I did for many years. That is a decision you must make on your own, based upon serious study.

Take care and may Yahweh bless!

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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You expressed that Yahweh's thoughts are above my thoughts and my ways, and I agree. You also expressed that you may not understand it, either, as if this comment was supposed to add weight to your position. It does not. We have covered this portion of your argument numerous times already, going back to 2001, but perhaps you didn't read what I wrote back then, nor did you read what I wrote the other day, so I will respond one more time in hopes that you will offer a compelling argument in defense of your position instead of the same old argument each time.

You wrote:

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The only problem I find with your logic is that Yahueh would tolerate the name of GAWD to be given to the trib GAWD which you assume worshipped the idol GAWD and some day according to Revelation21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from ,

21:11 Having the glory of : and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

I just think Yahueh's thought are above your thoughts and His ways above your ways. I may not understand it either but the proof is clearly there that this is how it is.

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I reply: Once again, this particular topic has already been addressed once or twice in this forum within the past few days, so I'm not sure why you bring it up again. And if you feel you must bring it up again, I believe it would be fitting for you to simultaneously address the response that Elyahc and I have already given you. Again I ask, how's come, out of all those 12 tribes, you select the name "God" to culturally and linguistically redefine as a legitimate title for Yahueh? Why not select Naphtali or Zebulun? Furthermore, regardless of "which" of those names you might choose, I trust you understand that each of those tribes, regardless of the honor they are given by having their names inscribed upon those gates, rebelled against YHWH. In fact, there isn't a name given to man anywhere that could merit as being worthy to be linguistically redefined as an honorable title for Yahweh. Agreed?

Moreover, we could always address other men whose names will be found in another honorable place besides the gates of the New Yerushalem. How about The Book of Life, David? I am persuaded that the Apostle named Apollos will be there, as will Hermes (Romans 16:14). The Book of Life, to me, is at least as honorable a place as the Gates of the New Yerushalem. I don't believe having your name on the Gates of the New Yerushalem is an automatic guarantee that your name will also be found in the Book of Life. That is not to say I don't believe any of those twelve men will be in the resurrection, but I will say that if I had to make a choice, I would choose the Book of Life.

I believe lots of men with heathen names will be found in the Book of Life, but I don't believe this justifies linguistically and culturally redefining any of those names as a title for our Heavenly Father. If you wish to refer to Yahweh as your "Zeus" or your "Hermes," that is your prerogative. As for me and my house, we will choose something that is not traced to the name of an idol whose worship is condemned by Yahweh. This is all about choices, David. There are lots of titles that cannot be traced to the name of a heathen idol, such as "Almighty," "Father," "Sovereign," "Eternal," and "Mighty One." There is only one reason I would choose "God," in view of what I know to be true: compromise and the desire to blend in. I know. I've been there.

I might also add that Elyahc made an excellent point in a posting he submitted the other day: God is the name of a MAN, one of the twelve tribes of Israel; however, it will not be inscribed on one of the twelve gates as a TITLE for the Creator Yahweh. You would do well to remember that point he made, for it is very true.

May Yahweh bless you as you study His Word!

You wrote:

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Larry,
Which questions [have I ignored]? On another thread?

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I reply: David, it seems to me that you have ignored many of the questions that I have asked you, but I don't have the time to itemize them all right now. Yes, I believe the majority of them are in the other thread we've participated in. For now, I'll just re-post one of the questions you have ignored.

Posted on 01-07-2006 at 10:17 PM in the thread entitled "Is there anything wrong with the word 'God'?":

Finally, you wrote:

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There is no proven connenction to the title God in English as is admitted. This is good enough for me!

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I reply: Yes, David, your pat response over the years has been, "No one can prove a connection." As I have repeatedly told you, this is just a copout, at least based upon the method of proving a connection that you require.

Let's try this: Do you at least admit that maybe there is a connection?

I would appreciate a straightforward answer to the above question, David.

Do you at least admit that maybe there is a connection?

It seems you have shown one witness against many that there is a connection. I will stick with the opinion and witness expressed by the many against this one witness. In the mouth of two or three witnesses let this matter be settled which as I have said let them witness beyond a reasonable doubt.

I believe there is much grounds for reasonable doubt in this case that this sound GAWD will live throughout eternity on the gate representing a tribe by this same name. There for I do not believe you or anyone Eliyahc included has show beyond a reasonable doubt from two or three witnesses of experts in the feild of etymology that Yahueh is abhorred when English speaking people use the terminology that "Yahueh is my God."

I think it is a mute arguement when we get into which originated first the chicken or the egg so to speak proven by you in your arguement that Leah could have known there was an idol named GOD. God could have also been a famous ancestor of hers too or at least a famous person she admired that others worshiped the image of now that he was dead!

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David ben Yacob

This is a title/name that originates in paganism whether you want to accept it or not.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page.

I want to point out that on neather thread have those which hold to this hypothesis have not proven this with more than one witness in the historical record by reputable scholars that would agree with them. Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.

Isaac Moreson is one scholar who hypothesis that God goes back in it's origens to the idol God of the Chaldeans.

The Interpreter's Bible tells us the God was an idol worshipped by the Chaldeans at the time when Leah Yacob's first wife lived there.

The truth is this data can be interpreted in many ways and is insufficient as to being two or three witnesses.

So it fails the test of Scripture to prove it absolutely originated as the name of an idol, but more likely as the name of a person who was a famous troop or leader of troops that the people made images of after his death and bowed down to them.

You said """"" I want to point out that on neather thread have those which hold to this hypothesis have not proven this with more than one witness in the historical record by reputable scholars that would agree with them. Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.""""" Unquote.

I'm beginning to believe that you will not accept " a thousand witnesses " concerning this, however, here are more out the scriptures from dictionary references as witnesses.

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The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon

Strong's Number: 01408 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
dg a variation of (01409)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Gad TWOT - 313e
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
gad Proper Name Masculine

Definition
Gad = "god of fortune"
a Babylonian deity

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Ba·al (bää, bäl, bl)
n. pl. Baals or Baal·im (bää-lm, bälm)
1. Any of various local fertility and nature gods of the ancient Semitic peoples considered to be false gods by the Hebrews.
2. often baal A false god or idol.
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[Hebrew ba'al, lord, Baal; see bl in Semitic roots.]

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5 entries found for Baal.
Ba·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bl)
n. pl. Ba·als or Ba·al·im (--lm)
Any of various local fertility and nature gods of the ancient Semitic peoples considered to be false gods by the Hebrews.
often baal A false god or idol.

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[Hebrew ba‘al, lord, Baal. See bl in Semitic Roots.]
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Baalism n.

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Baal

n : any of numerous local fertility and nature deities worshipped by ancient Semitic peoples; the Hebrews considered Baal a false god [syn: Baal]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

Baal

lord. (1.) The name appropriated to the principal male god of the Phoenicians.
It is found in several places in the plural BAALIM (Judg. 2:11; 10:10; 1 Kings
18:18; Jer. 2:23; Hos. 2:17). Baal is identified with Molech (Jer. 19:5). It
was known to the Israelites as Baal-peor (Num. 25:3; Deut. 4:3), was worshipped
till the time of Samuel (1 Sam 7:4), and was afterwards the religion of the ten
tribes in the time of Ahab (1 Kings 16:31-33; 18:19, 22). It prevailed also for
a time in the kingdom of Judah (2 Kings 8:27; comp. 11:18; 16:3; 2 Chr. 28:2),
till finally put an end to by the severe discipline of the Captivity (Zeph.
1:4-6). The priests of Baal were in great numbers (1 Kings 18:19), and of
various classes (2 Kings 10:19). Their mode of offering sacrifices is described
in 1 Kings 18:25-29. The sun-god, under the general title of Baal, or "lord,"
was the chief object of worship of the Canaanites. Each locality had its
special Baal, and the various local Baals were summed up under the name of
Baalim, or "lords." Each Baal had a wife, who was a colourless reflection of
himself.

(2.) A Benjamite, son of Jehiel, the progenitor of the Gibeonites (1
Chr. 8:30; 9:36).

(3.) The name of a place inhabited by the Simeonites, the
same probably as Baal-ath-beer (1 Chr. 4:33; Josh. 19:8

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Bá'ál; plural, Be`alîm.)

A word which belongs to the oldest stock of the Semite vocabulary and primarily means "lord", "owner". So in Hebrew, a man is styled baal of a house (Exodus 22:7; Judges 19:22), of a field (Job 21:39), of cattle (Exodus 21:28; Isaiah 1:3) of wealth (Eccles, v, 12), even of a wife (Exodus 21:3; cf. Genesis 3:16). The women's position in the Oriental home explains why she is never called Bá`alah of her husband). So also we read of a ram, "baal" of two horns (Dan, viii, 6, 20), of a baal of two wings (i.e. fowl: Eccles., x, 20). Joseph was scornfully termed by his brother a baal of dreams (Genesis 37:19). And so on. (See 2 Kings 1:8: Isaiah 41:15; Genesis 49:23; Exodus 24:14, etc.) Inscriptions afford scores of evidence of the word being similarly used in the other Semitic languages. In the Hebrew Bible, the plural, be`alîm, is found with the various meanings of the singular; whereas in ancient and modern translations it is used only as a referring deities. It has been asserted by several commentators that by baalim the emblems or images of Baal (hámmanîm, máççebhôth, etc.) should be understood. This view is hardly supported by the texts, which regularly points out, sometimes contemptuously, the local or other special Baals.

BAAL AS A DEITY

When applied to a deity, the word Baal retained its connotation of ownership, and was, therefore, usually qualified. The documents speak, for instance, of the Baal of Tyre, of Harran, of Tarsus, of Herman, of Lebanon of Tamar (a river south of Beirut), of heaven. Moreover, several Baals enjoyed special attributions: there was a Baal of the Covenant (Bá`ál Berîth (Judges 8:33; 9:4); cf. 'El Berîth (ibid., ix, 46}; one of the flies (Bá`ál Zebub, 2 Kings 1:2, 3, 6, 16); there also probably was one of dance (Bá`ál Márqôd); perhaps one of medicine (Bá`ál Márphê), and so on. Among all the Semites, the word, under one form or another (Bá`ál in the West and South; Bel in Assyria; Bal, Bol, or Bel im Palmyra) constantly recurs to express the deity's lordship over the world or some part of it. Not were all the Baals -- of different tribes, places, sanctuaries -- necessarily conceived as identical; each one might have his own nature and his own name; the partly fish shaped Baal of Arvad was probably Dagon; the Baal of Lebanon, possible Cid "the hunter"; the Baal of Harran, the moongod; whereas in several Sabean Minaean cities, and in many Chanaanite, Phoenician, or Palmyrene shrines, the sun was the Baal worshipped, although Hadad seems to have been the chief Baal among the Syrians. The diversity of the Old Testament intimates by speaking of Baalim, in the plural, and specifying the singular Baal either by the article or by the addition of another word.

What the original conception was is most obscure. According to W.R. Smith, the Baal is a local God who, by fertilizing his own district through springs and streams, becomes its lawful owner. Good authorities, nevertheless, oppose this view, and reversing the above argument, hold that the Baal is the genius-lord of the place and of all the elements that cause its fecundity; it is he who gives "bread, water, wool, flax, oil, and drink" (Hosea 2:5; in the Hebrew text 2:7); he is the male principle of life and reproduction in nature, and such is sometimes honoured by acts of the foulest sensuality. Whether or not this idea sprang from, and led to the monotheistic conception of supreme deity, the Lord of Heaven, of whom the various Baals would be so many manifestations, we shall leave to scholars to decide. Some deem that the bible favours this view, for its language frequently seems to imply the belief in a Baal par excellence.

BAAL-WORSHIP AMONG THE GENTILES

The evidence is hardly of such weight as to justify us in speaking of a worship of Baal. The Baal-worship so often alluded to and described in Holy Writ might, perhaps, be better styled, Çid-worship, moon-worship, Melek (Moloch)-worship, or Hadad-worship, according to places and circumstances. Many of the practices mentioned were most probable common to the worship of all the Baals; a few others are certainly specific.

A custom common among Semites should be noticed here. Moved, most likely, by the desire to secure the protection of the local Baal for their children, the Semites always showed a preference for names compounded with that of the deity; those of Hasdrubal (`Azrû Bá`ál), Hannibal (Hanni Bá`ál), Baltasar, or Belshazzar (Bel-sar-Ushshur), have become famous in history. Scores of such names belonging to different nationalities are recorded in the Bible, and in ancient writers, and in inscriptions.

The worship of Baal was performed in the sacred precincts of the high places so numerous throughout the country (Numbers 22:41; 33:52; Deuteronomy 12:2, etc) or in temples like those of Samaria (1 Kings 16:32; 2 Kings 10:21-27) and Jerusalem (2 Kings 11:18), even on the terraced roofs of the houses (2 Kings 23:12; Jeremiah 32:29). The furniture of these sanctuaries probably varied with the Baals honoured there. Near the altar which existed everywhere (Judges 6:25; 1 Kings 18:26; 2 Kings 11:18; Jeremiah 11:13, etc.), might be found, according to the particular place, either an image of the deity (Hadad was symbolized by a calf), or the bætylion (i.e. sacred stone, regularly cone-shaped in Chanaan) supposed to have been originally intended to represent the world, abode of the god; of the hammanim (very possible sunpillars; Leviticus 26:30; 2 Chronicles 24:4, etc.), and asherah (wrongly interpreted grove in our Bibles; Judges 6:25; 1 Kings 14:23; 2 Kings 17:10; Jeremiah 17:2 etc.), a sacred pole, sometimes, possible, a tree, the original signification of which is far from clear, together with votive or commemorative stelae (máççebhôth, usually mistranslated images), more or less ornamented. There incense and perfumes were burned (2 Kings 22:5; Jeremiah 7:9, 11:13, and according to the Hebrew, 32:29), libations poured (Jeremiah 19:13), and sacrifices of oxen and other animals offered up to the Baal; we hear even (Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3) that children of both sexes were not infrequentlly burned in sacrifice to Melek (D. V. Moloch, A.V. Molech), and II Par., xxviii, 3 (perhaps also 2 Kings 21:6) tells us that young princes were occasionally chosen as victims to this stern deity. In several shrines long trains of priests, distributed into several classes (1 Kings 18:19; 2 Kings 10:19; 23:5; Zephaniah 1:4, etc.) and clad in special attire (2 Kings 10:22) performed the sacred function; they prayed, shouted to the Baal, led dances around the altar, and in their frenzied excitement cut themselves with knives and lancets, till they were all covered with blood (1 Kings 18:26-28). In the meantime the lay worshippers also prayed, kneeling, and paid their homage by kissing the images or symbols of the Baal (1 Kings 19:18; Hosea 13:2, Hebr.), or even their own hands. To this should be added the immoral practices indulged in at several shrines (1 Kings 14:24; 2 Kings 23:7; cf. Deuteronomy 23:18) in honour of the Baal as male of reproduction, and of his mate Asherah (D.V. Astarthe, A. V. Ashtaroth).

BAAL-WORSHIP AMONG THE ISRAELITES

Nothing could be more fatal to a spiritual faith than this sensual religion. In fact, no sooner than the Israelites, coming forth from the wilderness, been brought into contact with the Baal-worshippers, than they were, through the guile of the Madianites, and the attractions of the licentious worship offered to the Moabitish deity (probably Chamos), easily seduced from their allegiance to Yahweh (Numbers 25:1-9). Henceforth the name of Beelphegor remained like a dark spot on the early history of Israel {Os., ix, 10; Ps. ev (In the Hebr. cvi), 28}. The terrible punishment inflicted upon the guilty sobered for awhile the minds of the Hebrews. How long the impression lasted we are hardly able to tell; but this we know, that when they had settled in the Promised Land, the Israelites, again forsaking the One True God, paid their homage to the deities of their Chanaanite neighours (Judges 2:11, 13 etc.). Even the best families could not, or did not dare, resist the seduction, Gedon's father, for instant, albeit his faith in his Baal seems to have been somewhat lukewarm (Judges 6:31), had erected an idolatrous altar in Ephra (Judges 6:25). "And the Lord, being angry against Israel, delivered them into the hands of their enemies that dwelt round about." Mesopotamians, Madianites, Amalecites, Ammonites, and, above all, Philistines, were successively the providential avengers of God's disregarded rights.

During the warlike reigns of Saul and David, the Israelites as a whole thought little of shaking Yahweh's yoke; such also was, apparently, the situation under Solomon's rule, although the example given by this prince must have told deplorably upon his subjects. After the division of his empire, the Northern Kingdom, first led by its rulers to an unlawful worship of Yahweh, sank speedily into the grossest Chanaanite superstitions. This was the more easy because certain customs, it seems, brought about confusion in the clouded minds of the uneducated portion of the people. Names like Esbaal (1 Chronicles 8:33; 9:39), Meribbaal (1 Chronicles 8:34; 9:40), Baaliada (1 Chronicles 14:7), given by Saul, Johnathen, and David to their sons, suggest that Yahweh was possibly spoken of as Baal. The fact has been disputed; but the existence of such a name as Baalia (i.e. "Yahweh is Baal", 1 Chronicles 12:5) and the affirmation of Osee (ii, 16) are arguments that cannot be slighted. True, the word was used later on only in reference to idolatrous worship, and even deemed so obnoxious that bosheth, shame, was frequently substituted for it in compound proper names, thus giving, for instance, such inoffensive forms as Elioda (2 Samuel 5:16), Yerubbesheth (2 Samuel 11:21, Hebr.)., Isboseth (2 Samuel 2:10) and elsewhere, Miphiboseth (2 Samuel 9:6; 21:8); but these corrections were due to a spirit which did not prevail until centuries after the age with which we shall presently deal.

Achab's accession to the throne of Israel inaugarated a new era, that of the official worship. Married to a Sidonian princess, Jezebel, the king erected to the Baal of her native city (Cid or Melkart) a temple (1 Kings 16:31, 32) in which a numerous body of priests officiated (1 Kings 18:19). To what a forlorn state the true faith in the Northern Kingdom fell Elias relates to III Kings, xix, 10, 14: The children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant: they have thrown down thy altars, they have slain thy prophets with the sword. There remained but seven thousand men whose knees had not been bowed before Baal (1 Kings 19:18). Ochozias, son of Achab and Jezebel, followed in his parents footsteps (1 Kings 22:54) and although Joram, his brother and successor, took away the maccebhoth set up by his father, the Baal-worship was not stamped out of Samaria (2 Kings 3:2, 3) until its adherents were slaughtered and its temple destroyed at the command of Jehu (2 Kings 10:18-28). Violent as this repression was, it hardly survived the prince who had undertaken it. The annals of the reigns of his successors witness to the religious corruption again prevailling; and the author of IV Kings could sum up this sad history in the following few words: They forsook all the precepts of the Lord their God: and made to themselves two molten calves, and groves [asherah], and adored all the host of heaven : and they served Baal. And consecrated their sons, and their daughters through fire: and they gave themselves to divinations, and soothsayings: and they delivered themselves to do evil before the Lord, to provoke him. And the Lord was very angry with Israel, and removed them from his sight . . . . and Israel was carried away out of their land to Assyria, unto this day. (2 Kings 17:16-18, 23).

Meanwhile the kingdom of Juda fared no better. There, also, the princes, far from checking the drift of the people to idolatry, were their instigators and abettors. Established by Joram (2 Kings 8:18), probably at the suggestion of Athalia his wife, who was the daughter of Achab and Jezebel, the Phoenician worship was continued by Ochozias (2 Kings 8:27). We know from IV Kings, xi, 18 that a temple had been dedicated to Baal (very likely to Baal honoured in Samaria) in the Holy City, either by one of these princes or Athalia. At the latter's death, this temple was destroyed by the faithful people and its furniture broken to pieces (2 Kings 11:18; 2 Chronicles 23:17). If this reaction did not crush utterly the Baal-worship in Juda, it left very little of it alive, since, for over a century, no case of idolatry is recorded by the sacred writers. In the reign of Achaz, however, we find the evil not only flourishing again, but countenanced by public authority. But a change has taken place in Juda's idolatry; instead of the Sidonian Baal, Melek (Moloch), the cruel diety of the Ammonites, had become the people's favourite (2 Chronicles 28:2; 2 Kings 16:3, 4). His barbarous rites rooted out Ezechias, appeared again with the support of Manasses, by whose influence the Assyro-Babylonian astral deities were added to the Pathenon of the Judean idolaters (2 Kings 23:4, 5) produced no lasting results, and after his death the various superstitions in vogue held sway until "the Lord cast out from his face Juda and Jerusalem" (2 Kings 23:32, 37; 24:9, 19, and elsewhere).

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Meaning: lord of fortune, or troop of Baal.

This was the name of a Canaanite city in the valley of Lebanon at the foot of Hermon, hence called Baal-hermon (Judge. 3:3; 1 Chr. 5:23), near the source of the Jordan (Josh. 13:5; 11:17; 12:7). It was the most northern point to which Joshua's conquests extended. It probably derived its name from the worship of Baal. Its modern representative is Banias. Some have supposed it to be the same as Baalbec

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Baal
Meaning: lord.

This was the name of a false-god, a man, and a place:

Baal was the name used for the principal male god of the Phoenicians. It is found in several places in the plural BAALIM (Judg. 2:11; 10:10; 1 Kings 18:18; Jer. 2:23; Hos. 2:17).

Baal is identified with Molech (Jer. 19:5). It was known to the Israelites as Baal-peor (Num. 25:3; Deut. 4:3), was worshipped till the time of Samuel (1 Sam 7:4), and was afterwards the religion of the ten tribes in the time of Ahab (1 Kings 16:31-33; 18:19,22). It prevailed also for a time in the kingdom of Judah (2 Kings 8:27; compare 11:18; 16:3; 2 Chr. 28:2), till finally put an end to by the severe discipline of the Captivity (Zeph. 1:4-6). The priests of Baal were in great numbers (1 Kings 18:19), and of various classes (2 Kings 10:19). Their mode of offering sacrifices is described in 1 Kings 18:25-29. The sun-god, under the general title of Baal, or "lord," was the chief object of worship of the Canaanites. Each locality had its special Baal, and the various local Baals were summed up under the name of Baalim, or "lords." Each Baal had a wife, who was a colourless reflection of himself.

A Benjamite, son of Jehiel, the progenitor of the Gibeonites (1 Chr. 8:30; 9:36).

The name of a place inhabited by the Simeonites, the same probably as Baalath-beer (1 Chr. 4:33; Josh. 19:8).

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Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: baal
Pronunciation: 'bA(-&)l, 'bäl
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural baals or baa·lim /'bA-(&-)l&m, 'bA-&-"lim/
Usage: often capitalized
Etymology: Hebrew ba'al lord
: any of numerous Canaanite and Phoenician local deities
- baal·ism /'bA-(&-)"li-z&m/ noun, often capitalized

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Main Entry: 3gad
Function: interjection
Etymology: euphemism for God
-- used as a mild oath

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Encyclopædia Britannica Article.

god worshiped in many ancient Middle Eastern communities, especially among the Canaanites, who apparently considered him a fertility deity and one of the most important gods in the pantheon. As a Semitic common noun baal (Hebrew ba'al) meant “owner” or “lord,” although it could be used more generally; for example, a baal of wings was a winged creature, and, in the plural, baalim…

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(Isa.65:11) in the center reference column shows this to be a BABYLONIAN DEITY
Even in the center reference column of the old King James Version will prove this too in ( Hosea 2:16-17).

Now, I ask that you " get out " your Old K.J.V., and one with a "" CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN "" in the center, and LOOK very close in detail of these scriptures as these is pointed out to you, and you will be astounded at this revealed truth.

First, I want to let the K.J.V. point out the meaning of "" BAALI "" in detail, and show you that people are calling YAH this title name, and to point out that He does not approve of it either, and that He is going to remove it forcefully from peoples mouths.

Turn to ( Hosea 2:16 ), but please NOTICE the little small " NUMBERS" and " LETTERS " that are in the verse( as this is for the center reference column).

There is a "" NUMBER 12 "" in the verse 16 of a center reference column only K.J.V..

This "" NUMBER 12 "" in the verse 16 will SHOW You where to LOOK in the CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN by its number for " THE TRUE MEANING " of that word from English to Hebrew.

Look at the number 12 in the "" CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN "".

But, first I'm going to write the verse of ( Hosea 2:16), so that you can compare it to the ORIGINAL MEANING OF SCRIPTURES when we are finished.

K.J.V.== "" And it shall be at that day, saith "" the LORD "", that thou shalt call me Ishi ; and shalt call me no more Baali.""

This word "" BAALI "" has a number "" 12 "" just beside it, and now look at the "" center reference column "" at the number "" 12 "".

Number 12 center reference column says, "" THAT IS, MY LORD"".

Now, when this verse with its names is correctly " transliterated " it will read thus blelow, and it is inescapable that the title name "" BAALI "" means "" LORD ""..

"" And it shall be at that day, saith YHWH=YAH( 3050,3068, see Strongs of word 'lord'), that thou shalt call me( YHWH) my Husband( Ishi, see number 11 in center reference), and shalt call me( YHWH=YAH) NO MORE my "" LORD"".( Hosea 2:16).

Now, the center reference column in the K.J.V. absolutely leaves NO DOUBT as to the true meaning of the "" title name of BAALI "", for it means "" LORD "", and that is exactly what people are calling YHWH=YAH( Psalms 68:4) today.

Now look at ( Hosea 2:17) for it says, "" For I will take away the (titles) names of BAALIM( Plural==lord=baal and god=gad) OUT OF HER MOUTH, and they shall no more be remembered by their( titles) names.

Now, please NOTICE the letter "" P "" in this 17th verse, and in " THE CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN ", and then, in the center reference column, the letter "" P "" refers you to ( Exodus 23:13).

Then, look at ( Exodus 23:13) as this is a COMMANDMENT that is being disobeyed and broken today by churchianity, for if you LOOK at the "" CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN "" and the letter "" N "" that is in ( Exodus 23:13) verse, then, look at the center reference column it refers you BACK to ( Hosea 2:17).

Study this very close with the center reference column in your own K.J.V., and can you truely deny to yourself the truth about people calling the true Father YAH( Psalms 68:4) by the pagan title names of " lord "== baali " ?

Read ( Exodus 23:13) as it is a Command TO NOT EVEN MENTION the title names of pagan " gods==deities " out of our mouths, but worse, people are also applying them( Practicing syncretisim) to YHWH=YAH( Psalms 68:4), and what is even more worse, is that the translators SUBSTITUTED the true Creator's Name in the most popular K.J.V. scriptures with " LORD" mean " Baal " or " Baali " as in a proper name in substitute place of YHWH= YAHWEH( Exod.3:15) and YAH( Exod.15:2; Psalms 68:4).

Like I said, for certain people, even a " THOUSAND WITNESSES " would not satisfy them, however, they expect someone to walk them step by step back through History to prove this to them, and I do believe if people will search out and read all these references they will come to the inevitable conclusion concerning SUBSTITUTING YAHWEH'S PERSONAL MEMORIAL NAME( Exod.3:15) for a proper noun name as " Baal= Lord " is in fact DIS-HONORING YAHWEH as most all clasical English translations have done is error.

Elyahc= Eljah C.

"""""Our family's prayers go out to you. Dh was injured in an auto accident 8 years ago and has some of the same symtoms. He has the leaky spinal fluid and people look at us like we are crazy as if it doesn't happen. He opted not to have the surgery as it wouldn't improve much and would probably have to redo every so often. Well pray for you and keep the stress level low if you can as it seems to increase the pain."""""

If Dh has spinal fluid leakage and severe headaches, there is a new prcedure that will STOP this leakage.

They insert a "" little valve "" into the body just above the " spinal leakage area " in the upper side of the body with a tube that comes to the outside into a bag for 4 weeks to catch the spinal fluid, and it takes the fluid pressure off the original " cut leak " so it can grow back together and seal itself up.

He will only endure this for 4 weeks so the original " cut leakage " can heal itself and seal itself up, and after 4 weeks, they will remove the little bag and the valve.

However, while the valve and tube is inserted to come to the outside for 4 weeks,you will have to measure the fluid leakage in the little bag every day as you will emty it into a meauring cup, and he will have to drink twice the amount of water that is leaking into the bag inoder for his spinal column to build back and keep its normal amount built back up.

This is a new procedure for spinal fluid leakage, and worth while to check into, as it will stop the excruciating headaches, this was the procedure they used on me, and my headaches are about completely gone, however, they say it takes 11 to 12 weeks for the headaches to completely stop, and mine is almost completely gone now.

Pray this helps.

Yah be with you all.