It went badly and we were ridiculed while others who stated they won't sing them kept silent as they aren't going to make waves.

We went through the normal routine of if you cna't say this or that then you can't speak any words due to the steeped in Paganism. There is a difference between the world and worship.

Anyway opinions please.

Blot that word out of the Hymnals - would be my vote.
It only takes a 'little leaven'... to pollute the whole loaf.

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Originally posted by sabian:
When you sing, sing YHWH, FATHER YAH, EL, and Elohim loud and proud!!!
You can not change others only yourself.
Be an example, and when asked why, explain. If they want to throw you out for it say OK. If others make you uncomfortable then step out.
When I go to other churches I can not bring my self to sing the words they do so I sing what I know to be correct, HalleluYAH!!!
Scripture tells us to praise HIS Set Apart name.
It is that simple.
If they do not understand something that simple they are blind, and there are many other things that they will not see.
It will be a huge waist of your time, untill they do the study for themselves.
I would be willing to bet they have a bible that sits in there living room for all to see when walking into their house. But the bible stays on the same page because they do not use it. The situation sounds all to much like things I have seen in the past.
I know it is very hard not to want to help them.
But it is like this, People complain to me of health problems, so my first question is what do you drink. Most of the time they say soda, coffee, beer.
I explain that the body needs water, and juice. Most of the time I say, you can not clean a sheet with one cup of water. When they can not understand that I know it is a waist of my time talking to then about anything else, they just want to complain to others about how bad they feel but do not want to do anything about it. If they will not drink water they will also not go for a peaceful walk.
But they will complain to you again the next time they see you.

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My thoughts exactly! Due to the fact that I desire fellowship I have been attending a Sabbath keeping assembly which do not use the sacred names. Upon questioning the Pastor I received the common replies of "we don't need to, He knows our hearts" etc. etc. etc.
When I sign, I instert the true names (as I understand them). When I take notes, again I write down the true names. If I can use this to witness to others then all Glory to Yahweh.

You are not going to find a traditional christian assembly/church which will truly 'condone' the use of the names of Yahweh and Yahushua. Just like Yahuhsua said you cannot mix light with darkness.

Besides there is no money in using the names. The love of money is the root of all evil and these people need your money. They cannot make money by preaching truth. Its just not going to happen. Thats why we really dissappoint Yahweh when we tell these people its OK to refer to Him by another name. We in essence are telling them its OK to lie and break the third commandment. We are essentially lieing when we this.

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Originally posted by katy:
I am in a quandry. We have been in a Hebrew name congregation for years. The history of the small congregation is that of Sabbath keeping off shoot of Worldwide and then embracing the names. We have been through our share of trials and splits. The new hymnals came out and we noticed a few pages have Lord in them. We questioned it and then was popped with a no notice scripture study on it this past Sabbath.

It went badly and we were ridiculed while others who stated they won't sing them kept silent as they aren't going to make waves.

We went through the normal routine of if you cna't say this or that then you can't speak any words due to the steeped in Paganism. There is a difference between the world and worship.

Anyway opinions please.

Katy

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Well this may sound a little silly but maybe when you get to the parts in the hymnal that say Lord, perhaps you could skip over it or sing Yahweh instead for Lord. Because if you are in a crowd of singing, no one is really going to be paying attention that you changed one word.

I think it's possible to be surrounded by things we don't agree with but not participate in them. Given, I am not saying swim with sharks either.

I know that's not a fantastic solution, but maybe it could be worth a try.

I hope it all works out for you.

Take care,
Missy

If you have read my post on this topic you know where I stand taken from Scripture study in the Hebrew text and how names of idols were used as titles for Yahueh in the Hebrew text of the Old and New Testament. I do not ever justify replacing the name of Yahueh or Yahushua with Lord or God but if they are appropriately used as titles there is no violation of the Scriptures just Sacred Name traditions which as has already been stated on this thread that Ba'al is equal to Lord when it clearly this not true at all. I must side with the principles laid out in Scripture and how it was dealt with by the author of the Scriptures by Yahueh and Yahushua where idol names are used properly as titles refering to Yahueh and Yahushua.

Malak is spelled the same as Molech in Hebrew without the vowel pointing for example. This is a consistent pattern throughout the Hebrew text which if we applied the same Sacred Name traditions we would either 1) have to admit the Scriptures are not preserved accurately in Hebrew for us today, or 2) admit we have the right to change the Scriptures from how they were originally inspired which is very dangerous.

""""The name of Yahweh is not Hebrew. We need to stop limiting Yahweh to human categories. He created the Hebrew, hence, His name cannot be Hebrew just as much as He isn't Hebrew. He was the Elohim of the Hebrew but not the Hebrew Elohim, instead, the creator of all.
You are not going to find a traditional christian assembly/church which will truly 'condone' the use of the names of Yahweh and Yahushua. Just like Yahuhsua said you cannot mix light with darkness.

Besides there is no money in using the names. The love of money is the root of all evil and these people need your money. They cannot make money by preaching truth. Its just not going to happen. Thats why we really dissappoint Yahweh when we tell these people its OK to refer to Him by another name. We in essence are telling them its OK to lie and break the third commandment. We are essentially lieing when we(do) this. """" Unquote.

Very true, YAHWEH is not a Hebrew just because He reveals His Name to the Hebrew people.

And very true again, it is breaking the 3rd commandment to tell people a lie by saying its ok to call Him by other nations pagan deities( Exod.23:13; Joshua 23:7)and this world's churches is ok to call YAHWEH whatever they choose or assume other than what the scriptures say and teach.

They will NEVER accept the NAME OF YHWH=YAH in this worlds churches.

""""I do not ever justify replacing the name of Yahueh or Yahushua with Lord or God but if they are appropriately used as titles there is no violation of the Scriptures just Sacred Name traditions which as has already been stated on this thread that Ba'al is equal to Lord when it clearly this not true at all.""""

You contradicted yourself, when YHWH=YAH is called by any other name it is IDOLATRY and practicing SYNCRETISIM as this whole world's religious Organizations are in fact doing.

I and others on here have shown examples in scriptures concerning practicing SYNCRETISIM as Solomon also did in his old age( 1 Kings 11:5-6), and to not mention idol name pagan deities( Isa.65:11= BAAL GAWD) out of our mouths( Exod.23:13; Joshua 23:7)as this whole world is doing this today, and in fact worshipping the beast and satan( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) through satan's deception( Rev.12:9), and they have the NAME( ie MARK, ie authority) of satan in their FOREHEADS OR MINDS( Rev.13:2; Rev.13:16-17) through deception and the practice of SYNCRETISIM which is IDOLATRY, and the same is said about those of Pergamos in ( Rev.2:14) which held to the doctrines of BAALIM too.

Elyahc = Eljah C.

First Messiah says , 13. """I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and THOU HOLDEST FAST MY NAME, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.( Rev.2:13).

Then notice what He has AGAINST SOME OF THOSE in the Assembly of Pergamos, and what they were practicing.

""14 But I have a few things against thee, because THOU HAST THERE THEM THAT HOLD ( Practice) THE DOCTRINE OF BALAAM, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit( today it is spiritual) fornication.""

Also, there was those there that Practiced the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes.( Rev.2:15)

First, there were those there THAT HELD FAST TO HIS NAME, then, there were THOSE THERE THAT PRACTICED THE DOCTRINE OF BALAAM, and the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes.

Again, the practice of "" SYNCRETISIM "" in that Assembly, and He tells them TO REPENT or else what?

Very revealing isn't it in just a few passages of scriptures from the words of Messiah Himself.

Elyahc = Eljah C.