posted 12-15-2001 12:48 PM            

We hope and pray that you are all having a wonderful Shabbath

What a joy it is to know that every week we have a day given to us by our Heavenly Father Yahweh to rest and to come together with Yahweh's children in unity. Unity that only Yahweh can give.

Yes Riyah, HalleluYah, HalleluYah for it is good to be with brothers and sisters.

i could not agree with you more on the issue that we are on a life time journey, a journey that Yahweh is leading us through HIS wonderful son Yahshua.

Yes, we all have a different level of understanding but we are all on a journey to the same place. We all have the same goal and that is to praise Yah in spirit and in truth. We are all Yahweh's children and HE is the ONE that called us out for HIS purporse and plan.

When i look at the body of Messiah i also look at the physical body. We have many parts and all of them have a different function. The ear can not let us see and the eye will not allow us to hear. What allows our physical body to function in unity is the head, in Messiah's body , Yahshua is the head and He is the one directing our moves. Without Yahshua we will never be able to make "so and so" see or hear something and maybe i am the small finger in Yahshua's body but by HIS grace i am still part of HIS body. HalleluYah !!! .

What is on my heart is the pain that people carry. i myself am guilty of pushing Yahshua on people. i had to repent of that and ask Yahweh forgivness. Today, i am in a job where i see people daily with such a luggage of the past. They have the luggage and they would like to get rid of it, but they do not know how. Just like i did not know how to get rid of the guilt that was eating me up. Until i met Yahshua. So today, when i see people with such luggage my heart goes out to them, and what i want to give them, or show them (Yahweh is the one that gives) is that Yahweh is waiting for them to receive them. i truly believe that all human beings have a longing for Yahweh. They do not relize it, but that is what they are longing for. Some may call it peace or prosperity, but once they come to know HIM, they want nothing else, but HIS glory to be spread in the world. For it is the enenmy who wants to stop that. he is the one working hard that the world sees Yahweh in the colors that he is painting. But you and i know Yahweh and Yahshua. You and i know how much HE did for us, not ourselves for us. Daily, i thank Yahweh for openning the doors that i can share. i work as a caseworker in a welfare office and see hurt people constantly. Many have hard time forgiving others, and some cannot forgive themselves. So, when people talk about the techinical things i have to admit, i get abit upset, so please pray for me, for i know the techinical is important too, but i strongly believe that the spirit is what they need to see. for Yahweh said, "not by might, nor by power but BY MY SPIRIT", i pray that we will truly see what the will of the FATHER is and seek for that. Maybe because where i work the verses of Matt. 25; 31-40 keep coming back to me so often. Yahshua also says come to mee all you who are tired and hurt and i will give you rest. Yahshua will take care of it. i would like share with you an example from my work experience..... during this summer i was supposed to see a man who claimed to be recently seperated from same sex spouse. When i read that my heart and everything within me was shaken.... before i went to see him, i realized that the "feeling" or i should rather say "spirit" i had inside of me is not of Yah so i went to pray and i asked Yah that HE would take control of the interview not me.... that this young fellow see Yahshua not me.... for i know who i am without Yah's spirit.... after a few minutes of the interview i could not believe what happened during that interview.... the atmosphere was totally different than any other interview (i do have to say that i pray before most interviews but not all of them, i know shame on me ) This fellow told me his life story when he was abused while a little child by his bilogical mom and than by some other people what led him to be very angry person.... i could not believe the story he shared with me, but i was thankful that Yah took over and i could show him Yahweh. He did not agree that there is God but i know that seed was put in by my Father and one day this young fellow will have to choose to either accept Yahshua or not.

In closure i would like to say that what David said by quoting Isaiah 1, when he talked about attitude and willingness... this is what is important... are we willing to wait upon HIM and see how HE wins bottle after bottle. Also, when Yahshua returns we must be willing to receive what is prepared for us.

so, please pray for me that techinical will be important to me as the non-technical, if you know what i mean

Yahweh bless you and keep you always.....

your sister in Yahshua
Dorota

posted 12-15-2001 01:07 PM            

Yah be with you.

No need to apologize friend, I completely understand. Thats what we are here for, to see if "others" see what we see... and if not... share "what" it is we see. (smile)
And Ask what others 'understand' about our Fathers Word.

I actually "believe" that we are indeed being "gathered togeather, from the four corners of the World. Not just here at EliYahs, or the Tziddikkim (can't spell) but all forums are bringing people togeather from the four corners of the earth. And those that are being gathered togeather "about our Fathers Word"... are the ones at Yahs "great supper".

I believe this is the "supper" spoken of in Rev. 19:17. But it is a "love vs. hate" war... not unlike the "war against terror", manifested in the "physical" in this day.
Howbeit, that only by love, may hate be made null and void. Hate is ever consuming, but love is ever burning and never "consumes". Not unlike the Spirit of Yahs fire spoken from the "bush", that burned, but was not consumed.

Paul says we are to "Judge angels". I believe angels to be "messages". I do not think it a coincidence that we are gathered togeather from the four corners, to discuss the Word of Yah... and "no flesh" is involved. No "visage" to "look at". We don't "Know" the people, so have no idea of their "fleshly life". All we can do is "judge the message".
We can't really "Judge the person"... because one cannot judge what one does not know. So we are "judging the message". Which I believe to be judging angels. As the "angels" are the "messangers".

Now... some are of Satan, and some are of Yah.
And their "messages" or their "words" are "sown" into the earth, or into us.
I believe that "we"are the "fowl that fly in the midst of heaven" (or those that have their mind on spiritual things.) Spoken of in Rev. 19. I say that 'we' are the fowl of the air due to peters vision.

Also Yahshua says to the "fowl of heaven"; come, gather yourselves to the supper of the Great El. That ye may eat the "flesh of kings" and of Captains, and mighty men, and the flesh of horses and "them that sit upon them." ( I wonder if the old saying "you and your high horse" has any indication here. laugh, I'm thinking this would be the "self righteous".) and the flesh of ALL men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Notice no "flesh" is left out, that must be "eaten". It starts with "kings"; those who think "they rule" themselves, and others. All the way down to the smallest of man.
From the highest, to the lowest... The "flesh" must be eaten.
I believe this "flesh" that we are eating, is our illusion that we are in control, or in authority. I beleive one of the greatest revelations about Yah is that HE and He alone, does rule. That He truly IS "King of Kings, and "Lord of Lords" and the king of ALL "principality", "power" and "dominion". And that nothing was/is made that wasn't/isn't made by Him. or Through His Word. I beleive that whatever He "speaks" comes to pass. period. That He gives His Word, and it is so. I do not beleive He brings His word into being by "magic". I believe He "could", but doesn't. for Yah did not "blink" Egypt into a "great city", or "pharoah" into a great adversary... but sent Joseph to Egypt, and through Himself (In Joseph) caused Egypt to be a great city. He brings it about through a purpose and a plan. That is somewhat like what we would do to clay... push a little here, pull a little there. Molding, and fashioning. Only His Work has the option of Talking to Him about the "works of His hands".

Right after this (still in Rev. 19) it speaks of Satan and his angels (or messages) that come to make war with Yahshua and the fowl of the air. Notice who Satan calls; "The Kings of the earth". (those who think they rule, that they have authority, that come in their own name or power...) I believe by showing people that Yah and Only Yah is in control... that by only His Word, His authority, may a thing come about. Is "eating their flesh"... or "their fleshly authority". Or anyone looking to the flesh for any answers, as opposed to Yah.

I beleive I am a fowl of the air, called to do just that. To "eat the flesh of kings" etc.
Not only I, but all that do follow after the spirit. Which are they that do beleive that Yahshua (Yahs salvation) goes "before them". Even when we do not understand... what is "going on"... in thier lives... but do trust Yah, that He has already "purposed it", "planned it"... and will "cause" it (anything) to work togeather for our good, if we are indeed trusting Him, and the work of His hands, as He fashions us, forms us, and creates us a new, in one accordance with Him.

For I do not beleive one can "choose" to be righteous, or even obediant. But one can choose to turn to the one that can grant such a thing, and ask to be. I think that "our" obediance is to "turn to him, ask him, talk to him, "reason with him", praise Him, thank Him... etc. I believe it is through this faith, that all of the laws of the tabernacle are manifested, only it is now "in our hearts and minds", and not a physical sacrifice in a physical temple made by mans hands.

And Yah being the merciful El that He is, and the answerer of prayers that He truly is... Is absolutely willing to make all those who ask Him too.... "according to His word". That we no longer be "against Him"... but brought 'unto Him'.

For it is clear that we do not choose, but are "chosen".

For revelations says that Yahshua fights with a sword. And the sword comes forth from "His mouth". I beleive the sword is to slay the flesh, not the soul. To slay the lies, that we are our own maker, that the truth may be revealed. Which is Yah in us.

I believe that the "mark" of the beast in the right hand and in the forehead, is the illusion that we (the dust, flesh, earth) "rule". Thus "right hand". That we are in "control" or our lives go according to our own authority. Thus "forhead" (mind). of the "beast" (flesh).

For Satan "sits in the temple of Yah" (we are the temple of Yah, Satan is the prince of the flesh... Not the "king". But this "prince" or son (creation of Yahs) sits in us, Yahs temple, and makes "himself" (flesh) as if he is Yah, even above Yah.
I beleive that those who beleive that Yah "had" this great plan, but "we" just keep messing it up... are those that beleive they are above, or more powerful then Yah.
Though they do not realize that this is what they are manifesting, for they are decieved. and know it not. They have been "tricked". And I cry for them and pray for them often.

Though I do not think myself 'righteous"... and Yahshua says; "the prayers of a righteous man are heard"... My only hope is that Yah pours HIS righteousness upon me, which I beleive HE does, everytime He answers my prayers. For I am convinced, that this IS "His righteousness, poured upon us"... is Him answering our prayers.
For it is by HIS righteousness, that prayers are answered... not ours.

And the more we "see" this, and understand this... the more the Spirit guides us or reveals to us, what to ask for. And makes "utterances" for us.

Thus... we are "re-made" or "re-born", by "water" (which I beleive to be symbolic of The Word), and by fire (Yahs spirit by "night" or when we do not understand; but believe that HE knows what He is doing... and trust the only true ruler of all.)

I beleive that "this" is what is meant in rev. when it says; "the kingdoms (rulership/authority) of the earth have become the kingdoms of Yah."

I beleive that we are in the "sixth" day(6000th. year, according to the Hebrew), where Yah said; "Let us MAKE man in our own image". I beleive through HIS revelations, He is doing this now... and we "The bride" are making ourself ready to receive the King in His fullest into Us, the bride.

and rev. 21:3 is taking place now; ".... Behold, the tabernacle of Yah is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and Yah HIMSELF shall be with them, and be their El."

Thus, the whole world "must" celebrate the "feast of tabernacles".

I do not beleive the whole world will physically go to a physical Jerusalom, and physically celebrate the feast of Tabernacles as described in Zech. 14.
But I do believe that before it's all said and done, all people will come unto the "city(dwelling) of truth" or the "teaching of Peace", and celebrate the FACT that Yah is in us. And those that "don't" will have no "rain" (knowledge of Yah) until they do.

I beleive that Yahshuas "real" "second coming" is when one realizes That Yah truly does reign. That He is truly the "one and only" ruler of all. The "only" authority or "power" in existance. Because this would truly be a "falling away"... and that "man of sin revealed". Being the lie that the "flesh rules" or that "man lives his life by his own authority." When this lie of false power in the flesh, "falls away", Then the spirit "quickens" or "annoints" this word in us, and causes us to be able to "receive" The Word (or all that Yah has brought forth).. and we are able to "see" that Yah does "dwell" in our tabernacles/bodies, and we have "become" HIS people, and "He" our "El".
(ruler, judge, maker, creator, mighty one)

I asked Yah once... "Yah, why am I not "perfect" yet?"... I do beleive you are willing to make me perfect... So why am I not perfect yet? Would i not tell all others that it is the Work of Thy Hands? and testify unto Thee?
And as I was talking to him... this "thought" was like "put" into my mind;

"Sarah was 90 before she brought forth".

(And sarah is the "Noble woman", not the "whore".)

Then right after that, the fact that Rachel also had prayed much to receive and bring forth. But was barren until YAH restored Her womb. And Her being the "mother" of Joseph and Benjiman. Which I beleive Joseph to be symbolic of Yahshua, and Benjiman to be symbolic of us or our union with him. Yahshuas beloved. And the one that the "cup" was planted on, by Joseph himself. (I think of the "cup of wrath" that we must all drink, and that this cup of wrath, is sin and confusion)

In Yahs time, We too shall be made to bring forth. I do believe our very words do "bring forth". They bring forth faith in Yah, or they bring forth faith in man. I beleive the faith in man... and in his own ability to do that which is righteous, is a "tare"... it's looks like the real thing, but is hollow inside. But the faith in Yah to cause us, and pour His righteousness upon us, is the "real thing".

This is what I beleive. This is what I feel Yah has brought me to beleive. I wasn't taught this by man or by religion. But only through His Word. Or I have gone insane and lost my mind... in which case, I am not accountable. (laugh)

May Yah bless you Male, may He answer all of your prayers, and pour His righteousness upon you, as I pray He does me, now and forever.

posted 12-15-2001 07:38 PM            

What blessings you are sharing!! Hilltop...you still with us?

Does it ever cease to amaze you that the true 'body' of Yahshua comes forth when LOVE is shared when speaking of the laws, covenants, and commandments of YAHWEH.

Many have written on other posts about keeping the Torah, not having to keep, the new covenant...etc.

Can i ask why it seems so hard to accept following/keeping parts or even all of the Torah, laws, and commandments?
(This question is not being asked because I do...not hardly, I find myself as many of you, struggling daily.) This questions comes because...don't you find it just normal or easy to follow Yahshua and our Father's laws/commandments?

How can I share this............

My responding was triggered by Male'im'Rwach post:
(Qouted: from Male'im'Rwach)
"But Yahweh declared that under this New Covenant, He would write His Torah in the hearts of His people. Same Torah, same Elohiym doing the writing, different surface being written on. If we are, in fact, among Yahweh's people, then His Torah is written on our hearts and our spirits. It has become our very nature to live as He wishes, following His standard. If we love Him, we will keep His commandments, and His commandments are not grievous. They are not a burden to us, or something to be shunned. They are a source of joy to our spirits."

If we truely are made a new creature in the Messiah, and our hearts have been written on by the hand of YAHWEH..(which is more AWESOME than I can express)..than it just seems to me that it would be easy to accept and obey all HIS laws and commandments. (Agin, i know it is a struggle).

When do we reach that point that obeying just becomes natural. No second thoughts. NO doubting.
IN FACT...we become so 'in love' with wanting to please Yahshua that our thoughts change, our hearts change, we/I now see myself thru the eyes of Yahshua.
****I really am a child of YAHWEH****

Not to just focus on you brother, Male, but I believe you have shared it best and most clearly...
(Quoted by Male'im'Rwach)
"Rarely have I found those who truly understood that the result of love IS the keeping of the law, while the result of keeping the law is - nothing."

It is that love that helps us to keep the law. It is that love that helps us to be as we are with each other. It is that love that binds us to Yahshua and our Father. (I find Jimjay, screaming it in his posts...the love it is Yahshua).

Do you ever wonder...the law, (Torah), the commandments, the covenant...can we seperate them from Yahshua. Is it not all apart of Yahshua and worshiping YAHWEH.

Could that be the true meaning of Revelation 22:13...
"I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Thank you for being my assembly...I too choose no denomination, church, or gathering. You are my family in Yahshua.

*Star

posted 12-18-2001 08:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Talmid:
Interesting, hiltop never posted again.

I detect a snake in our midst brothers!

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>>>>>Hummmmmmmm, I hope he is well. YHWH wishes none to perish (spiritually).

But then, in this frail life, tomorrow is not promised.

And.... maybe he went out from among us because he was not of us.

One must be careful not to play games with YHWH. It is veeery dangerous ! Remember what happened with the snake in the Garden? The Quodesh Spirit does not play brethren. IF that was the case.

Who knows. Only YHWH.

Blessings,

Riyah

posted 12-25-2001 05:14 AM            

I guess, "All is well than ends well !"

This leaves me to say that the original poster just threw in a few contentious questions and had us all fighting in no time!

What has the original poster to say about it all? NOTHING !
Just very well planned spiritual terrorism, if you ask me.
It nearly caused casualties.
At least I believe it left some with bruises.

Oh how we have to test every spirit that comes into this forum, for not all are sent by Yahweh.
Does not Yahweh's word teach us that there is a Devil who is roaming the earth to see who he can devour? Well I guess this room is not immune to his roaming, the enemy is not sitting still.

This is why Paul states we have an armour! And a sword.
I guess we should see this thread as just a spiritual military exercise? some friendly fire?