Judas Iscariot was a type of the Antichrist. Paul says:

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the SON OF PERDITION" (II Thess. 2:3).

Jesus called Judas the SON OF PERDITION (St. John 17:12) and Paul uses that appellative for his Man of Sin.

Judas was an APOSTLE of Jesus and a priest. He was the perfect counterfeit....Nobody knew that he was a phony and a traitor even after living with him for over 3 years. Peter said this about Judas:

"For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry" (Acts 1:17).

Judas was the BANKER for the disciples of Jesus. He held the bag and he was also a THIEF:

"Then saith one of the disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a THIEF, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein" ( St. John 12: 4-6)

At the end of the earthy life of Christ, Satan entered into Judas and he betrayed his Lord for MONEY:

"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve (St. Luke 22:3).

Then one of the twelve called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver (Matt. 26:14-15).

Judas sold his Lord for money . . 30 pieces of silver . . . and then went right out and bought . . . real estate. He wanted to be a property owner:

"Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity" (Acts 1:18).

Later on his conscience bothered him and he returned with the money:

"Then Judas which had betrayed him, when he saw that he (Jesus) was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to it" (Matthew 27:3-4).

Do you think this could help identify the Anti-Messiah? If it can I can see how it might fit into "conspiracy theories" and the NWO I have read.

Shalom,
Renae

Don't you believe in the true names anymore ?

I noticed in your posts you have been using Jesus, Christ, and Lord a lot more and more on the forum now. I hadn't said anything before because I didn't know if it was a copy and paste and you forgot to alter several times or what.... But then it keeps happening...

And in this post above you make not one mention of Yeshua (Yahushua/Yahshua), Messiah, or YHWH. You keep talking about "Jesus, and Christ, and Lord..

And I know I have seen you post the more accurate names before..so I don't understand why you are resorting back...unless it was a copy and paste and you forgot to put the link source where you got the copy and paste from..

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As far as the anti-Messiah is concerned.. usually people think of SATAN or some man that will come and deceive the nations. So it's correct generally speaking..But in all actuality ANYONE teaching directly contrary to the way that Yeshua the Messiah taught could be considered an anti-Messiah.

As you already know..anti just means "against" or "in opposition to". A lot of people fit that criteria from all religious backgrounds and non religious backgrounds.

The actual being that will deceive in the end is "the son of perdition, the man of sin, the beast, and yes..he could be considered and anti-Messiah.

I will try to explain in the simplest of way how I understand it...given some may have differences of opinion on this but I am just explaining it how I personally see it Scripturally.

Basically, the SON OF PERDITION described in verses like John 17:12 is the actual BEING that will deceive and set himself up as if he is Elohim tricking people.. that people commonly call the false Messiah or anti-Messiah. I see what you are saying about Judas in your post, but I think it's not limited to Judas.. I think it's also talking about the final anti-Messiah as a underlying theme as well.

Example of what I mean:

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

The "being" that will come and set himself up in the temple is described here as well:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called Elohim, or that is worshipped; so that he as Elohim sitteth in the temple of Elohim, shewing himself that he is Elohim.

So that "spirit" that was in Judas..was basically of HaShatan..just like the "spirit" of the final anti-Moshiach will be none other HaShatan's.

But I think you make a good point with your tie in definitely which was great...but I just don't think it's limited to that understanding.

This "being" in 2nd Thes 2:3 is also referred to in Scripture as the Beast:

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The Dragon described here is actually HaShatan. We know that from Scriptures like these:

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So here is quick recap:

And Anti-Messiah is and can be anyone that teaches contrary to the teaching of Yeshua ha Moshiach. Yeshua haMoshiach is the REAL AND FINAL MOSHIA!

The First Beast described in Revelation = the son of perdition, the man of sin, the "FINAL" anti-Messiah, if you will.

The Second Beast described in Revelation = the false prophet which will trick people into worshipping the first beast. Basically, this being would be the son of perdition's "high priest". Like some sort of religious leader or system that teaches people to worship the first beast (the son of periditon, the man of sin, the anti-Messiah as some people call him).

The Dragon described in Revelation = HaShatan that has given power to the first beast (son of perdition) and through him the power to the false prophet (second beast).

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This is what will happen to them ALL in the end:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And as you know the "devil" is actually another way of saying Ha Shatan (Satan, the adversary).

So that's how I see it for now.. I am open to other ideas definitely. It's better than just closing the book on it because one never knows what YHWH may reveal to them at a later time... But for now that is how I see it.. if you have your own ideas about what I said or even some corrections.. I wouldn't mind reading them if you care to post them. It's up to you.

Excellent topic by the way!

M

I don't want to be deceived. Here is a good article by a Jewish believer in Messiah: http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817

He emphasizes that the Synagogue of Satan says they are Jewish but they are not. To me there is a huge difference between being anti-Semitic and searching and telling the truth as it could benefit all mankind. There is a link about all this within the article linked above.

Study Dan 11 and Mat 24 carefully. Then see 2Th 2:8, Re 19:20

I really appreciate you helping me try to understand by sharing those Scriptures but you need to understand that all this is incredibly new to me and I am not educated in religion, politics, or history.

If you wouldn't mind and if you have the time could you please post more in-depth or share in more detail what you are trying to get across?

Thank you for your response. I think I basically understand but I need to study it more. I did read a little about the "tests" for anti-Messiah spirit and from what I could gather was that the core of the test is that Messiah has come in the flesh as a Savior and He is Divine. The importance being of the recognition of needing a Savior and then repentance and that He is Divine meaning He is from Yah and the Son of Yah. Maybe basically that is saying He was filled with the Ruach and that denial of such was dangerous, like blaspheming the Ruach. Not that it was blaspheming the Ruach to do such only to say He wasn't Divine was denying the Ruach working through Him. I hope that makes some kind of sense.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand

You must seek and read what Yahweh's Word teaches, and listen to what His spirit teaches you. Yahweh knows your heart and prayer is good.

In all things give Yahweh thanks and glory.

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Originally posted by naesimo:
Bro Yohanan,

I really appreciate you helping me try to understand by sharing those Scriptures but you need to understand that all this is incredibly new to me and I am not educated in religion, politics, or history.

If you wouldn't mind and if you have the time could you please post more in-depth or share in more detail what you are trying to get across?

Thanks & Shalom,
Renae

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I know that is to Br Yohanan.. but since you said thee above

Perhaps then when you post certain things I can keep this in mind from now on instead of jumping on your case... everytime you post something from a certain source.

From now on I will try to cut you some slack and just relate my understanding.. I hope that's okay.

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Originally posted by naesimo:
Missy,

Thank you for your response. I think I basically understand but I need to study it more. I did read a little about the "tests" for anti-Messiah spirit and from what I could gather was that the core of the test is that Messiah has come in the flesh as a Savior and He is Divine. The importance being of the recognition of needing a Savior and then repentance and that He is Divine meaning He is from Yah and the Son of Yah. Maybe basically that is saying He was filled with the Ruach and that denial of such was dangerous, like blaspheming the Ruach. Not that it was blaspheming the Ruach to do such only to say He wasn't Divine was denying the Ruach working through Him. I hope that makes some kind of sense.

Shalom,
Renae

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No problem.

Well if you don't understand something I posted.. please ask. I will do the best I can to explain.. it could the way that I worded something (I am not the best writer).. I do the best I can though..

Yes, that "test" to see if someone is an anti-Moshiach is a good measuring stick..but I don't think Scripture means it to be the ONLY measuring stick. Because anyone can say that Yeshua came in the flesh. It's about knowing what exactly that MEANS. Also like I said before the word anti means against or in opposition to..so anyone not teaching what Yeshua taught is tecnically an anti Messiah.

This idea about Yeshua being divine is pagan and unScriptural to me. It stems from pagan origin and it DOES NOT say in Scripture that one must believe Yeshua is divine.

Another thing is it depends on what someone means when they say "divine" as you explained above which made very good sense. Some people mean that he is an actual "god" when they say he's divine (which is pagan in origin and unScriptural) and some mean that he just pre-existed as some sort of supernatural being before he came in the flesh..not meaning that he is a god or equal to YHWH when they say, "Yeshua is divine".

And still there are others that believe Yeshua definitely "came" from Yah but he had no pre-existence at all. That he came from YHWH only in the sense that YHWH is the one that created him in Miryam's womb by the power of the Ruach.

And yes.. you are actually making a lot of sense in this thread.. I comprehend what you are trying to convey. You are doing just fine as I said this is a great discussion.

Missy

Could you please give your opinions concerning who I said the anti-Moshiach is in my inital post. I would be really interested in your perspective to see if you and I agree or maybe you could point out something I missed ...

I do agree with most eveything you shared, and you might be 100% correct. I need to study more about who's who being mention in Revelation when it comes to that beast stuff.

Here are some more scriptures that confirm what you shared.

Luke 9:50 And Yahshua said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of Elohim; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of Elohim: every spirit that confesseth that Yahshua Ha Mashiyach is come in the flesh is of Elohim: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not Yahshua is not of Elohim: and this is the spirit of the anti-mashiyach, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.

I believe the man of sin "son of perdition" will be a man that will become very rich and powerful and the spirit of Satan will posses him very strongly in the last days.

It was the high priest of the temple that turned against Yahshua and asked to have him killed. Those priests must have known from the beginning that Yahshua was the Moshia that Yeshayah prophesied about (See Mat 2:4-6)

It was Ha-Satan that wanted to be like the most high thus becoming evil in his heart.

Notice that the man of sin will be standing in the Holy place in the last days and attempt to exalt himself to be above all and then proclaim himself to be the most high before Yahshua comes to destroy him.

It looks like Ha-Satan is the one speaking throught that son of perdition at the end.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand,) 16 then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains.

That man of sin is going to turn on the Jews and Saints in the last days, and likely turn the world agaist Yisra'el (Meggido)

Dan 11 and of much of Mat 24 gives much more insights on all of this.

Blessings in Yahshua's name.

Bro Yohanan

See www.sent-one-of-yahuweh.com for information about the beast who is the antimessiah and the false prophet.

Shalom,

Chandler-Thanks for the link we will check it out ASAP.

Yohanan-Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Do you think this movement could be part of what Messiah was warning about:
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/smith-oprah.htm

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08030701.html

I know it's by Christians but atleast some Christians are upset and trying to speak out about it.

Something doesn't make sense to me here, as I'm a bit confused by Renae's statement "this is incredibly new to me".

Renae, did you and Chandler already study this exact same stuff in another thread back in July 2007?, and now Chandler is sharing a link to share that same stuff once again?,

Thanks,

Yohanan