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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
Shalom Renae and Chandler,

Something doesn't make sense to me here, as I'm a bit confused by Renae's statement "this is incredibly new to me".

Renae, did you and Chandler already study this exact same stuff in another thread back in July 2007?, and now Chandler is sharing a link to share that same stuff once again?,

Thanks,

Yohanan

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Bro Yohanan,

Do you mean that was there a discussion about Nimrod? You will have to be more specific about what did we discuss before. I have only studied the Bible or prophecy for about 2 years. As far about what Bro Chandler believes about Nimrod or Beasts and things I do not understand enough about prophecy to understand what he is saying. But if you are talking about was there a topic about Nimrod and literal beasts yes there was and I am pretty sure that no one agreed with Chandler's understanding when the topic was discussed. I am not necessarily trying to discuss that again, but more will there be an Anti-Messiah that goes in the temple and exalts himself. Will there be 3 1/2 years of peace and then 3 1/2 years of Tribulation. Or will it be that things get really really bad then Anti-Messiah makes peace only to then have 3 1/2 years of Tribulation.

the article about the Israeli Supreme Court said:

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Just actually how that will come about remains to be seen, but one thing I am convinced of is that Holy men of God will not be the ones to rebuild the Temple, it will be the Illuminati. For God would not send men to that place to perform blood sacrifices. His Son's blood was the perfect sacrifice; there is no need to shed the blood of dumb animals any longer. Yeshua did a perfect work, and it was finished. But He will return and take control of the New Temple that I feel will be built soon.

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Do you think that animal sacrifices in the Temple at that time and under those circumstances would be an abomination and that could be the abomination that makes desolate? Do you think animal sacrifices will be done during Millennial Reign?

I forgot where that page was LOL, but I found another one that's almost the same here http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/003671.html

Did you ever find time to read - study Dan 11 and Mat 24?

I believe it will take some time to study Daniel the way I am going to need to to understand what it says. I will try to find a good historical study guide. But I also do not want to focus too much on prophecy, mainly I just don't want to be deceived and just want to have some grasp of what will happen. Not dwell on it, but just have atleast some kind of grasp of what might or will happen.

I believe we are quickly approaching the end days, and I've starting restudying many of these things this year. One of the first things Yahshua pointed out is to be careful that no one leads us astray, so you are right on target.

We must remain strong in our faith by always keeping with Yahshua and listening to his voice. As long as Yahweh's spirit is our only guide, we will learn His truths, and may they always be for doing His will.

Pray, be joyful and give Yahweh praise.

Bro Yohanan

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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
Shalom Renae,

I believe we are quickly approaching the end days, and I've starting restudying many of these things this year. One of the first things Yahshua pointed out is to be careful that no one leads us astray, so you are right on target.

We must remain strong in our faith by always keeping with Yahshua and listening to his voice. As long as Yahweh's spirit is our only guide, we will learn His truths, and may they always be for doing His will.

Pray, be joyful and give Yahweh praise.

Bro Yohanan

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Bro Yohanan,

I will continue to pray for Yah's guidance into His truths and to strengthen my faith. I will praise Him in the storms.

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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
Shalom Missy,

I do agree with most eveything you shared, and you might be 100% correct. I need to study more about who's who being mention in Revelation when it comes to that beast stuff.

Here are some more scriptures that confirm what you shared.

Luke 9:50 And Yahshua said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of Elohim; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of Elohim: every spirit that confesseth that Yahshua Ha Mashiyach is come in the flesh is of Elohim: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not Yahshua is not of Elohim: and this is the spirit of the anti-mashiyach, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.

I believe the man of sin "son of perdition" will be a man that will become very rich and powerful and the spirit of Satan will posses him very strongly in the last days.

It was the high priest of the temple that turned against Yahshua and asked to have him killed. Those priests must have known from the beginning that Yahshua was the Moshia that Yeshayah prophesied about (See Mat 2:4-6)

It was Ha-Satan that wanted to be like the most high thus becoming evil in his heart.

Notice that the man of sin will be standing in the Holy place in the last days and attempt to exalt himself to be above all and then proclaim himself to be the most high before Yahshua comes to destroy him.

It looks like Ha-Satan is the one speaking throught that son of perdition at the end.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand,) 16 then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains.

That man of sin is going to turn on the Jews and Saints in the last days, and likely turn the world agaist Yisra'el (Meggido)

Dan 11 and of much of Mat 24 gives much more insights on all of this.

Blessings in Yahshua's name.

Bro Yohanan

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Thanks Yohanan,
It sounds to me like we pretty much agree after reading your post. Neat.

The interesting thing to me is how HaShatan mimics Yah by speaking through the son of perdition just as Yah speaks through Yeshua (the word). I think it will be a sad day that so many people will be duped.. especially when that temple goes up. There's no doubt in my mind that the 3rd temple will be apostate..

Agreed, and the scriptures are very clear about this.

Acts 17:24 The Elohim that made the world and all things therein, he, being Master of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Mashiyachs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Behold, I have told you beforehand. 26 If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.

1Pet 2:4 unto whom coming, a living stone, rejected indeed of men, but with Yahweh elect, precious, 5 ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to Elohim through Yahshua Ha Mashiyach.

1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are a temple of Yahweh, and that the Spirit of Elohim dwelleth in you?

Mat 24:15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand) 16 then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:

After they build the third temple, when they reinitiate sacrifices for sins, then they are in full denial of the blood of Yahshua "the passover lamb of Yahweh". That's exactly what Satan wants, and that's what the man of sin will do to give them a false sense of peace, and to get peopel to worship him.

1Thess 5:3 When they are saying, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall in no wise escape.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Look at the timing we are living in now http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125559

With love in Yahshua,

Yes, I am aware of that article. I keep up with Israeli news from a few different sources. Arutz Sheva is one of them. We are certainly living in some imteresting times and it's important for true believers to be aware of these things and educate themselves.

This is one of the reasons I am not really in favor of people running around from thing to thing worrying about it when they don't even know BASIC Scripture or have their own beliefs down. If you don't even have basic Scripture down and what you believe..how in the world are you going to recognize the times ? The first thing one needs to do is STUDY THOSE SCRIPTURES.

And it's important to look to YHWH, not ourselves, nor to other men.. Look what the Brit Chadasha says:

1Ti 1:3 As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, 4 nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of Elohim which is by faith. 5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Torah, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.

For some reason certain people do not seem to trust in YHWH's iron clad ability to have the Ruach Hakodesh reveal things to them..so they run to and fro with itching ears... these people NEVER learn. They are always tossed and driven..it's rather sad.

Ezra had the RIGHT idea though.. he learned Torah of YHWH (not man made nonsense) so he could practice and teach his brethren. AMEIN!

Ezr 7:10 For Ezra had set his heart to study the Torah of YHWH and to practice it, and to teach His statutes and ordinances in Yisra'EL.

Our goal for ourselves should be similiar:

2Ti 2:15 Study to show yourself approved unto Elohim, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more unrighteousness.

I guess people are just fanscinated by things they really should stay away from .. I guess. It's the carnal nature that plagues us all until the Ruach fills up our entire life... but easier said then done.. easier said than done.

Shavua tov Yohanan,
Missy

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Agreed, and the scriptures are very clear about this.

Acts 17:24 The Elohim that made the world and all things therein, he, being Master of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Mashiyachs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Behold, I have told you beforehand. 26 If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.

1Pet 2:4 unto whom coming, a living stone, rejected indeed of men, but with Yahweh elect, precious, 5 ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to Elohim through Yahshua Ha Mashiyach.

1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are a temple of Yahweh, and that the Spirit of Elohim dwelleth in you?

Mat 24:15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand) 16 then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:

After they build the third temple, when they reinitiate sacrifices for sins, then they are in full denial of the blood of Yahshua "the passover lamb of Yahweh". That's exactly what Satan wants, and that's what the man of sin will do to give them a false sense of peace, and to get peopel to worship him.

1Thess 5:3 When they are saying, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall in no wise escape.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

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Bro Yohanan,

I know your response wasn't to me but I was greatly helped by it. I have been tossed to and fro with trying to understand end time events, like I stated before there are sometimes completely opposite opinions on many matters. It's great that if we are indeed quickly approaching the end days that newbies like me can ask questions and get help from brethren that have studied longer.

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I believe we are quickly approaching the end days, and I've starting restudying many of these things this year. One of the first things Yahshua pointed out is to be careful that no one leads us astray, so you are right on target.

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If it wouldn't be imposing on you or making you feel that I am asking you to replace Yah's leading or guidance of me could you tell me what you think will become of the Temple upon Yahshua's coming?

Also, why did the Apostles continue to make sacrifices in the Temple after His resurrection?

Shalom,
Renae

This current earth and all of it works will be burned up.

This is a powerful study, so take your time and read the scriptures.

http://www.loveyahweh.com/heaven.html

Thank you for the link. We will check out more articles also. This may be helpful to those trying to understand about the sacrifices:

http://avoiceinthewilderness.org/laws/sacrificquest.html

Thank you for providing the links. I've always felt that Ezekiel's temple description is referring to the body of Christ. This link provides some things I hadn't considered before. Thank you.

Blessings,

This has been an interesting thread. Perhaps this may be of help
or at least different.

"Anti-Messiah" could also be ... instead of Messiah, or in the
place of Messiah. (see Strongs 473 "anti")

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have
heard that antimessiah shall come, even now are there many
antimessiahs; whereby we know that it is the last time.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had
been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they
went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all
of us.

Take Simon, the magician of Samaria, for example. He "believed"
and was immersed, but never received the ruach kodesh. This
Simon disappeard from the local seen, but within two years (circa
33ce) "opened" his own version of the true religion in Rome.

opened: 6363 rj,P, peter {peh'-ter} or hr'j.Pi pitrah {pit-raw'} •
from 06362; TWOT - 1764a,1764b; n m • AV - open 8, firstling 4;
12 • 1) firstborn, firstling, that which separates or first opens

So this Simon was also known as "peter", a.k.a. Simon Peter, the
founder of Christianity.

In the beginning, the differences apparently were minute, as Paul
warns on the side of caution.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Messiah. For if he that cometh preacheth
another Yah'shua, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive
another spirit, which ye have not received, or another evangel,
which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 2Cor
11:3-4

If this coming anti-messiah is in the place of messiah, then the
differences my not be so great.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all
that is called Elohim, or that is worshipped; so that he as Elohim
sitteth in the temple of Yahweh, shewing himself that he is
Elohim.

Revelation 11:1-2 shows that there will be a Temple in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 6:15 says
And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple
of YAHWEH, and ye shall know that YAHWEH of hosts hath
sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will
diligently obey the voice of YAHWEH your Elohim.

So the Temple is not "built" by local inhabitants, but by those 'far
off". Perhaps someone in another country with financial and/or
political clout.

So, let's consider: To enter the Temple would necessarily mean that
only an authorized person could enter, so the anti-messiah must be
qualified to enter the Temple. He would have to be a Jew in good
standing. Who might that be?

Ezek 40:46 And the chamber whose prospect is toward the north
is for the priests, the keepers of the charge of the altar: these are
the sons of Zadok among the sons of Levi, which come near to
YAHWEH to minister unto him. (44:15-16)

Along with the Temple, there would be Sabbaths and High Days,
the food laws would likely be enforced, and if Isaiah 66:4-5 is
correct, Yahweh's name will be in full use.

Ezek 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and
they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall
keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they
shall hallow my sabbaths.

Of course that means animal sacrificies will be carried out by the
rest of the Levites.

Ezek 44:11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having
charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house:
they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the
people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

So, what might we have? A Jew, perhaps from the line of Zadok
but with a matriarchial line of David, qualified to be a priest, that is
zealous about Yahweh's name, who enforces the Sabbath & Holy
days, the food laws ... and is connected to the new Temple.
Perhaps even a "High Priest"!

Throw in some signs and miracles and the whole world would fall
at the feet of this pseudo messiah! (Rev 13:12-15)

But consider all the good he does. A form of true worship is
established. Idolatry is abolished. Biblical justice and morality are
restored to societies all over the world. Abortion is ended. Illicit
drug dealing is practically eliminated. Universal health care is
established. There are miracles and healings. Crime plumets. ...
Would you really be against him? After all...scripture does say
that prophecies will fail (1Cor 13:8), and the poor do have the
good news preached to them.

So to whom does Isaiah speak?

Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring
their fears upon them; because when I called, none did
answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil
before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause Yahweh shall send
them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Paul was writing to Believers, which means Isaiah's prophecy is
in play.

What is the calling?

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they
honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not
the Father which hath sent him.

Really? "Even as..."? The Father is Yahweh, so how about
honoring the Son as Yahweh? ...keep reading!

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that
YahwehShua is the Messiah, the Son of Yahweh; and that
believing ye might have life through his name.

What is the lie?

From time immorial men have believed salvation was in a man's
name...Nimrod, Tammuz, Mithris...etc.

But Yah'shua became sin...

For he hath made him sin for us, -2 Corinthians 5:21

He Died in sin & made His grave with the wicked.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his
death; -Isaiah 53:9

He became a curse...

Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: -Gal 3:13

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death,
and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 23 His
body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any
wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of
Elohim;) that thy land be not defiled, which YAHWEH thy Elohim
giveth thee for an inheritance.

Remember, Messiah was under the law...

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come,
Yahweh sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the
law,

And judged according to the law...

John 18:31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge
him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is
not lawful for us to put any man to death:

And the law states:

Deuteronomy 29:20 YAHWEH will not spare him, but then the
anger of YAHWEH and his jealousy shall smoke against that
man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon
him, and YAHWEH shall blot out his name from under heaven.

Which means...His prophetic human name was blotted out. There
is no salvation in that defiled name because that sin-soaked
name identifies the blood offering which was poured out, and was
not subject to the resurrection. It can never be the name of life!

Yahweh does not delight in that name, because it is not the
name of life.

Messiah inherited a more excellent name.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he
hath by inheritance (through death Heb 9:15-17) obtained a
more excellent name than they.

That excellent name

Psalm 148:13 Let them praise the name of YAHWEH: for his
name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.

The name Yahweh is the name of glory

Exodus 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee,
and I will proclaim the name of YAHWEH before thee;

Rabbi Yah'shua prayed to be restored to the glory of the name.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the
glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have
manifested thy name... -John 17:5-6b

He was raised in Yahweh's name.

Psalm 89:24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with
him: and in my name shall his horn (power) be exalted
(raised/resurrected.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the
rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my El, and the rock
of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the
earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant
shall stand fast with him.

In power...by the resurrection from the dead.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of Elohim with power,
according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the
dead:

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to
us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty
power,
20 Which he wrought in Messiah, when he raised him from the
dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and
dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world,
but also in that which is to come:

He is YahwehShua!

But you won't find it in the scriptures. It was erased.

Jeremiah 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to
the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices
against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof,
and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name
may be no more remembered.

Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye
should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled
Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood
upon us.

But His prophetic human name, Yah'shua, was always known.
It is written in the Greek: IHSOU.

The Hebrew lettering of "Yah'shua" is: [wvwhy
(ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DO HEB/GRK FONTS?)

He became Yahweh-Savior
[wvhwhy

What was forgotten? The H "hey", which is the key to salvation.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the
key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that
were entering in ye hindered.

Messiah is the door.

John 10:7 Then said Yah'shua unto them again, Verily, verily, I
say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be
saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Messiah was raised in the Father's name. When the key was put
into the door, i.e. the "hey" was put into the Messiah's name...
He became YahwehShua.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be
saved.

Chosing the defiled name of the blood offering as the name of
salvation is why Yahweh turns the called-out-ones over to that
delusion. Praying in the defiled name is putting that defiled name
in the holy of holies where it doesn't belong, is an abomination.

Thy word is truth. The Word says Messiah died in sin, became a
curse, that His prophetic human name was blotted out, and that
He was raised in the power of Yahweh's name by the resurrection
of the dead.

Those who love the lie of the human name being the name of salvation
and do not have a love of the truth will be turned over to the
delusion...and the lake of fire (Rev 22:14)

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for
many shall come in my name, saying, I am Messiah; and the
time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. (Mat 24:5)

His human name! Not a counterfeit name. Not someone elses name.
His Human Name!

That is the deception! That is the delusion!

Think about it. Isn't it the "many" that proclaim His prophetic
human name INSTEAD OF and IN THE PLACE OF...YahwehShua?

I proclaim YahwehShua...to the glory of Yahweh the Father.

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Dabar_Olam wrote:

But His prophetic human name, Yah'shua, was always known.
It is written in the Greek: IHSOU.

The Hebrew lettering of "Yah'shua" is: [wvwhy
(ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DO HEB/GRK FONTS?)

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IHSOU in Greek font is "IHSOU" (uppercase)
or "ihsou" (lowercase)

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Chuck Baldwin

I followed your post about the name being removed, which is interesting. But you lost me with the Yahweh-Shua part. Isn't the fact that the name "Jesus" replaced "Yahushua" itself qualify as a "removal" of his name?

Yes, Yahweh resurrected Him from the dead, and Yahweh is our salvation, but doesn't Yahushua mean "Yahweh Saves", and isn't that sufficent to mean the same thing, and therefore, is not defiling the holy place?

I look forward to your comments.