I would have never known the harmful effects of microwave ovens, or cell phones or the myriad chemicals, including flouride, that are in our foods and everyday toiletries that cause harm with long-term use.

Now I can avoid them and keep this temple healthier and with a clearer mind than ever before.

One danger of investigating what the enemy is up to is to draw attention to yourself and leave you open for some unwanted 'attention' as I believe Naesimo is alluding to. I, too, have found myself being scrutinized while delving into this sort of thing, things that most of you would scoff at, perhaps, but the phenomenon was quite real.

I understand that the scenario the scriptures have shown us for the end time beast is already coming together and really aleady in place, with the deluded 'great-ones' thinking it they are going to be mankind's 'savior' by changing our society into a perverse 'echad', and I am thankful to understand enough to be prepared in heart and body for the incredible onslaught that awaits.

Yet, YHWH nudged me away from focusing on it all to focus on Him, not so long ago, and I can truthfully say that my heart is more at peace than it has been for a long time. I know what's coming down the pike, but my confidence and trust for the Potter has made this little earthen jug not fear the shattering.

Even Mosheh sent spies into the promised land to see what they were up against and to bring back a report.

If one is following the Spirit's leading, and not doing this out of morbid curiosity, then one will stay safe, IMHO.

Kingston 100,
You ask Chandler,
Chandler could Kaiser Nero be added to this list? I read that his name in numberial values adds up to 666 in Greek and Aramaic. Any thoughts on this?

Let me share with you what someone showed me awhile back.
What if you took the 6 and turned it upside down and made it a 9 ?
Now if you take a name and its number in the alphabet and multiply that number by the number 9.
Lets do a name known by all christians. JESUS.

J = 10TH letter x 9 = 90

E = 5TH letter x 9 = 45

S = 19TH letter x 9 = 171

U = 21ST letter x 9 = 189

S = 19TH letter x 9 171

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Originally posted by thinker:

Kingston 100,
You ask Chandler,
Chandler could Kaiser Nero be added to this list? I read that his name in numberial values adds up to 666 in Greek and Aramaic. Any thoughts on this?

Let me share with you what someone showed me awhile back.
What if you took the 6 and turned it upside down and made it a 9 ?
Now if you take a name and its number in the alphabet and multiply that number by the number 9.
Lets do a name known by all christians. JESUS.

J = 10TH letter x 9 = 90

E = 5TH letter x 9 = 45

S = 19TH letter x 9 = 171

U = 21ST letter x 9 = 189

S = 19TH letter x 9 171

add them up . Kinda freaky isn't it ?

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Thinker, the numbers are in ARABIC numerals. So turning it upside down has no meaning whatsoever. Did you stop to think how offensive your not so subtle suggestion is to millions who believe in Yah's son, but have not known him by his true name as of yet? The 666 is the number of man, that is, the beast will command allegiance of or control of almost two thirds of the whole population of the planet. Babablonian reconing is that 1000 represents the whole pie. So it's not about adding up letters in some one's name anyhow. Well perhaps not. Just another way to look at it. Kingson100.

to AbrahamC -- i attempted to email you about your daughter's situation and the email was returned. maybe you have another way that i can reach you? i'd like to help in whatever way i might possibly be able, so let me know.

to Kingson100 -- the numeric values of "Nero Caesar" do add up to intriguing totals.

the Aramaic version of Nero Caesar, being Neron Caesar, has the numerical value of 666:

Nun - 50
Resh - 200
Waw - 6
Nun - 50

Quph - 100
Samek - 60
Resh - 200

but, interestingly, if you write it in Hebrew as follows: Nero Caesar, with the second letter Nun being dropped from "Neron", then you fall back to 616! this is the alternate number found in other manuscripts of Revelation.

pretty compelling evidence. but then again, i've yet to see any real support that Nero actually instituted a physical mark of any sort, which is what the whole issue seems to require, as well.

another word that equals 666 is the word "Sathur" in Hebrew:

Samek - 60
Tav - 400
Waw - 6
Resh - 200

this has the meaning of "Secret / Mystery", and seems to align with the title on the forehead of the whore of Revelation. Sathur, and then Saturnia, is actually the ancient Babylonian name for the land of Rome, which the ancient writers Pliny, Aurelius Victor, Ovid, and Virgil all have written about.

i believe it all has to do with the worship of a man, instead of the Holy One Himself. that seems to be the link in all the different manifestations of the number in history, from the caesars to the popes, etc., even back to Nimrod.

but i personally have my bets on Islam, with their coming "messiah"-figure as being the one to implement the final version, seeing as how dominance-minded the religion is at its core.

for Islam does currently invoke two different "marks" upon the forehead of its followers, one involves wounding oneself in the forehead in the shape of an X (gruesome photos of this act are floating around the net, of "celebration" called "Ashoura"), and the other mark is a head-dress with the name of allah on the forehead. incidentally, the word "Alah" in Hebrew means both "Curse" and "Fleshy Buttocks".

i think in the end there are still many questions to be answered, so take it all with a grain of kosher salt.

The first beast of Revelation Chapter 13 is a real, literal, fire-breathing dragon that will be released from the Abyss by Ha Shatan (Satan) in order to forcibly rule the earth, and to wipe out the Set-apart Ones (Yahuweh's people).

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Kingston,
Why would someone be offended by a name of someone that doesn't exist ? Everything about the name of je*us is false. This is a lie satan started to deceive the whole earth and to keep people from finding out who the real Messiah is. They are NOT the same person. The man je*us, that people believe in, has blonde hair, blue eyes, that is so loving, and never condemns those that believe in him, never commands to keep the commandments, and so forth. So to those who really knows who the real Messiah is, YAHSHUA, why would this offend them ?
Je*us comes from greek, latin, whatever. The Messiah I serve, came from the Father, Yahweh, and gave His "only" begotten Son, the name Yahshua, meaning, "Yahweh's Salvation"
who was raised by Hebrew parents, who keep the Torah, and all the Festivals of Yahweh.
Yahweh knows every person who is to come into the truth of who He is and His Son's real name is. And they will come in, at the appointed time that Yah's spirit draws them. You can tell people til you're blue in the face about Yahweh and Yahshua, but until Yah's spirit draws them to Him, they will not hear you. They are sleeping, and until the hand of Yahweh, so to speak shakes them and wakes them, they will sleep.
Don't get so bent out of shape, besides, I said this was something someone showed me awhile back didn't I ?

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Originally posted by thinker:

Kingston,
Chandler said this to you earlier in this thread, and I guess he was right.

I am sorry that you hold to the popular Christan view of symbolic interpretation. Christians have held your views for hundreds of years before you came along. Wake up and call on Yahuweh for truth! Favor and peace to you.

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Originally posted by lsmccray:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chandler.fulton:
[B]The First Beast of Revelation 13: Leviathan the Dragon

The first beast of Revelation Chapter 13 is a real, literal, fire-breathing dragon that will be released from the Abyss by Ha Shatan (Satan) in order to forcibly rule the earth, and to wipe out the Set-apart Ones (Yahuweh's people).

Let's look at what the Scriptures say about this monster:

Uhmmmmm......ok, Chandler, I agree with most on here that scripture has to be studied as it was written using analogies, symbolism, numerology, similes,etc. If this were a literal beast then Daniel's beasts would've been literal too and I'm sure ALL of us would've heard about it by now. In sisterly love I did have to laugh though as I pictured the Lochness Monster rising up out of the Atlantic! Your scriptural study has been extensive though. Ask Yahweh for the knowledge and truth you are seeking and I know if it is truly your will it is his as well.
SHALOM-sister McCray

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1.) Daniel's beasts of Revelation 7 are literal, just as the beasts in Revelation are literal.

2.)The four beasts of Revelation 7 ARE ALSO the four messengers mentioned in Revelation 9:14.

Sister, I hope you come around and read Revelation and Daniel again, and call on Yahuweh and YahuwehShua Messiah for truth. I promise you will not laugh when the seven-headed dragon Leviathan rises out of the sea--it will be a terrifying sight. Also, please seriously reflect on these passages:

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads, as having been slain to death, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the earth marvelled after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon who gave authority to the beast. And they worshipped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to fight with him?”

Many that do not believe that this literal, fire-breathing dragon is coming will "MARVEL" when they see the beast. They will also worship him and Ha Shatan out of fear, in order to preserve their lives.

Rev 13:8 And all those dwelling on the earth, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the slain Lamb, from the foundation of the world shall worship him.
Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He who brings into captivity shall go into captivity, he who kills with the sword has to be killed with the sword. Here is the endurance and the belief of the set-apart ones.

Rev 14:9 And a third messenger followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark upon his forehead or upon his hand,
Rev 14:10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of Elohim, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he shall be tortured with fire and sulphur before the set-apart messengers and before the Lamb.
Rev 14:11 “And the smoke of their torture goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those worshipping the beast and his image, also if anyone receives the mark of his name.”
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones,1 here are those guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of éäåùò.2

Brothers and sisters, this is serious. Just because you know that Messiah died for you and you know His name and our Father's name does not mean your name is in the Lamb's book. If your name is not in this book, this passage plainly says that YOU WILL WORSHIP LEVIATHAN when he comes. May all of us seek assurance from Messiah and our Father in heaven that we belong to them! May Yahuweh cause all to heed these warnings that I have given you! May Yahuweh open the eyes of all to see the truth of what I have written on this forum, for His esteem and your deliverance!

Favor and peace to all,

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1.) Daniel's beasts of Revelation 7 are literal, just as the beasts in Revelation are literal.

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19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, ...
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

When Scripture explicitly interprets its own symbols, i don't see how that can be argued with. Beasts = Kingdoms, clear & simple.

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Chuck Baldwin