When I first started learning about this stuff (like the occult for example) I was by myself at night while AdoniYah was at work. And I called him at work crying a couple of times because it freaked me out so bad. That along with my "experience(s)" the week before and during Passover and Unleavened Bread I believe was Yah testing me and refining or destroying my fear by fire (weird things started when AdoniYah was at work the week before). But some weird things happened soon after we started Bible study too (that we both experienced). I don't like to talk about everything that happened then (nor can I remember all of it...I think), but to me it definitely tested my courage and willingness to trust Yah and keep Torah. After that strange experience(s) and reading about the darkness, I too think all of it happened as prep and I learned alot. We really hope we can help people through it.

Shalom,
Naesimo

It would seem that YHWH has chosen His 'shock warriors', those who can learn and understand the 'real' picture behind the façade and not have a fatal melt-down nor slip into darkness themselves.

Not much seems to shock nor frighten me any longer, but it sure makes me keen to step out of this fading world and walk where it is honest, pure and full of light.

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Originally posted by czygyny:
Naesimo,

It would seem that YHWH has chosen His 'shock warriors', those who can learn and understand the 'real' picture behind the façade and not have a fatal melt-down nor slip into darkness themselves.

Not much seems to shock nor frighten me any longer, but it sure makes me keen to step out of this fading world and walk where it is honest, pure and full of light.

Stand firm and trust in YHWH and lean on His Son.
czygyny

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czygyny,

Thanks! I am definitely trusting in Yah and leaning on Yahshua! The only thing that scares me now is failing or disappointing them!

Shalom,
Naesimo

When I was tripping in the darkness in the 60's and 70's there always seemed to be comfort in this:

Psa 23

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Originally posted by truthtreker:
Shalom,

When I was tripping in the darkness in the 60's and 70's there always seemed to be comfort in this:

Psa 23

[b]YAHWEH is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of YAHWEH for ever.[/B]

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Truthtreker,

One day during a series of "tests" as I would call them (of courage and willingness to obey no matter what was happening around me, for example I wasn't to look to see what was happening but I could hear things happening) I prayed over and over let them be taken in the net they have laid for me. Let them fall into the pit they dug for me. Yah is my strength and He hides me from my enemies. Then at the very end of the series of tests I said Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me. So these Scriptures that you and czygyny have posted recently (in Planned Destruction of America too) are hitting close to my experience. I think I'm going to take czygyny's advice and learn them word for word for the next time . There hasn't been any more really weird occurrences since that two week period of time. I apologize to Chandler if he feels I got his topic off track!

Shalom,
Naesimo

Favor and peace to you,

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Originally posted by chandler.fulton:
Quetzalcoatl IS Nimrod. So is Baal-Peor, Molech, Zoroaster, Hercules, Marduk, Osiris, Buddah, Tammuz, Thor, Gad, Mithras, Bacchus, Saturn, Ashshur, Gog, Beliya'al etc.. Research it for yourself, and you will see that Nimrod is worshipped all over the world in many different cultures, nations, and languages. You see, all the world was of one language when the tower of Babel was built. All the world served and worshipped the Tyrant/King Nimrod. Then Yahuweh scattered the gentiles over all the earth and gave each group different languages. The nations still worshipped Nimrod, but now they called him by different names, since they instantly spoke a different language.
The Masons worship Nimrod also. In their rites, the brotherhood are told to "weep for Osiris". Osiris, in the Egyptian heiroglyphics, is predicted to come back from the dead and rule the earth. There are millions of masons in the world, and they will be ready to worship and follow their messiah Nimrod/Osiris, the anti-messiah, who is the false prophet, when he comes. Search the other pagan religions of the world, and you will see similar predictions about a coming messiah.

Favor and peace to you,

Chandler

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Chandler,

We didn't even know there was a such thing as Freemasons until about a year and a half ago. Once we found out they exist, we saw they were every where. In our small community of about 500 there is a lodge (George Washington). We found out the number of friends that had family in Masonry. There are Freemasons in my family, and several Mormons (down the line in extended family). The Freemasons are Protestants though. Have you ever heard of "blood atonement" that stems from Mormons? We just heard about it. We have already been called insane, possessed by demons/the devil, we have been told we sound like "terrorists", and we are in a cult. Since we are perceived as JEWS I guess we are part of the Zionist N.W.O. agenda or something.

Shalom,
Naesimo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

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We know of the Craft’s participation in public charities; yet how many tales of gratitude are forthcoming from that ‘public?’ Does the scarcity of such reports send a loud enough message? How many Masonic pearls are being cast before swine? Far too many!

Conversely, the recipients of charity within the Craft not only appreciate the assistance, but commonly appear at Masonic functions, saying “thank you!” There’s a membership promotion – if it is more commonly done.

What would the effect be, if the public perception of Freemasonry became, “…they take damned good care of their own!” That used to be the case!

That bunch in Utah, turned Freemasonry into a major religion – they take damned good care of their own! (It works.)

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http://lnx.freemasons-freemasonry.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=697&highlight=pearls+s wine#697

The quote was taken from the article linked above under the heading "charity".

Enjoy the rest of the article, it was very illuminating.

Shalom,
AdoniYah

If anyone is familiar with a Mormon/Quetzalcoatl connection please share resources. Also this is interesting since Mormons said the Indians were Hebrews right?

I saw this quote:
"Jesus-Jehovah reveled himself to our Mexican - American brethren ("'Not white, yea, not delightsome"). He came onto them in the form of Quetzal-coa-tl, the snake which sprouts feathers."

-- Joseph Smith; History of the Church, Vol. 665, p. 776.
To this day, Mormons and Central American Indians recognize the god Quetzalcoatl as the Feathered Serpent

http://www.aztlan.net/rumblings_center_galaxy.htm

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The ancient Mayan astronomers accurately predicted, over 1500 years ago, the exact alignment of the Earth, the Sun, the star cluster Pleiades and of the center of our Galaxy that will take place at the end of the present long cycle on the Gregorian year 2012. On the Mayan Long Calendar the day designated as 4 Ahau 3 Kankin (13.0.0.0.0) falls on December 21, 2012 and this day will mark "El Fin de los Tiempos" or the end of the long cycle at which time humanity will experience a new beginning. On this day, according to the Mayas and subsequent Meso-American civilizations, the return of Kukulcan (Quetzalcoatl) will take place.

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http://www.aztlan.net/apocalypto.htm

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The Mayas, in addition, possessed the required knowledge concerning the "Precession of the Equinoxes" that is necessary to create an accurate calendar. There is no question that the Mayas viewed time differently than Western man. Their magnificent pyramids were perfectly aligned to the sun and the one at Chichenitza was constructed in such a way that during the equinoxes, the setting sun casts a shadow of a serpent (Kukulcan/Quetzalcoatl/Jesus Christ) descending on the northern steps of the pyramid. This effect could only be obtained by extremely precise architectural and astronomical measurements.

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Sounds like Aztlan identifies with Palestine. I think they say we (gringos) are occupying their land.
http://www.aztlan.net/homeland.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/women_martyrs.htm

Anyone concerned with illegal immigration and border security should check out www.aztlan.net if you haven't.

Shalom,
Naesimo

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Originally posted by naesimo:
Chandler,

We didn't even know there was a such thing as Freemasons until about a year and a half ago. Once we found out they exist, we saw they were [b]every where. In our small community of about 500 there is a lodge (George Washington). We found out the number of friends that had family in Masonry. There are Freemasons in my family, and several Mormons (down the line in extended family). The Freemasons are Protestants though. Have you ever heard of "blood atonement" that stems from Mormons? We just heard about it. We have already been called insane, possessed by demons/the devil, we have been told we sound like "terrorists", and we are in a cult. Since we are perceived as JEWS I guess we are part of the Zionist N.W.O. agenda or something.

Shalom,
Naesimo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

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Shalom Naesimo,

with all respect to your zeal, i feel compelled to let you know that it is somewhat dangerous to focus much attention on the cults that surround us in the world. the Father wants us to spend time in His Word, learning His ways and what it means to serve Him, and not pour our time into learning of the abominations of those who are not serving Him. i have a friend who is spending so much time learning about the cults, and i am seeing a very big and alarming change in his attitude, walk, etc.. it is not worth it.

Devarim (Deuteronomy) 12:28-29-30
28 "Guard, and obey all these words which I command you, that it might be well with you and your children after you forever, when you do what is good and right in the eyes of YHWH your Elohim.
29 When YHWH your Elohim does cut off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land,
30 guard yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire about their mighty ones, saying, 'How did these nations serve their mighty ones? And let me do so too.'"

so many people come into the truth of Scripture by finding out that elements of their faith are rooted in paganism, but the Father wants His people to put their focus on HIS Words, on seeing the roots of His ways, and leave the details of the pagans alone.

i bring this up to everyone who is compelled to search out the pagan roots and study them voraciously. we need to put our minds on pure things -- the things of the Spirit that the Torah and the Prophets and the Writings and the Brit Chadashah have for us that serve to transform us.

learning the ways of the pagans is a tool the Father can use to bring us to Him, but once we are here, we need to learn His ways as much as possible. learning the ways of the pagans can be a witnessing tool, i understand that, but remember Who your power and eloquence arises from -- the Ruach of Elohim -- He will give us words to say to those bound in sin so that we don't have to spend our precious time in the devil's domains. trust me, there is no power in knowing the enemy's ways when you confront him in spiritual battle - but rather knowing the Father's ways allows us to be victorious. imitate Messiah, who so knew His Father's Word, who had those Words embedded in His mind and heart that He quoted them to satan himself when tempted. that is what we should imitate -- the Messiah.

we have been redeemed by the awesome blood of the Lamb, so let us serve Him and walk in His Father's ways, diligent to know His Word through and through!

I understand what you are saying, we want to stay balanced. I apologize if anybody feels like my posts or questions are taking the topic to a bad place. I won't take it personal if nobody wants to discuss the Mormons and Quetzalcoatl.

Shalom,
Naesimo

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IF YOU WANT TO TALK BORDERS VIOLATED, AND ILLEGALS,
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS FROM 1492— IT'S ONLY 500 YEARS AGO!
"EURO-AMERICANS" EUROPEANS HAVE SAID THAT IT'S ALRIGHT
FOR JEWS TO TAKE BACK LAND THAT THEY LOST 2,000 YEARS AGO!
THEN THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LAND THAT WAS WRONGFULLY
TAKEN FROM US JUST 150 YEARS AGO
AND THE REST THAT WAS STOLEN JUST 500 YEARS AGO.

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http://www.mexica-movement.org/letstalkillegals.htm

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Originally posted by naesimo:
Burning One,

I understand what you are saying, we want to stay balanced. I apologize if anybody feels like my posts or questions are taking the topic to a bad place. I won't take it personal if nobody wants to discuss the Mormons and Quetzalcoatl.

Shalom,
Naesimo

PS- http://www.mexica-movement.org/letstalkillegals.htm

[This message has been edited by naesimo (edited 07-20-2007).]

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Shalom again Naesimo,

no aoplogies necessary, and i hope i was not offensive in my approach. it is just that i know how easy it is to become distracted by those things, from personal experience. and the enemy seems to work in these ways: distraction, deception, and destruction. if he can get us seeking out other things than what the Father has for us in the Word, then deception and destruction follow not far behind.

the Father takes each of us through our walks, and we can learn valuable personal lessons from certain points, but i also know that He has come to give us life, and to save us from the darkness, so He doesn't want us to keep digging in the refuse we left behind.

i just want the body to be careful, because it seems that many of us who come into this movement tend to seek out the dark things of spirituality by searching for the truth than we would ever have done in the "church." so there is a balance, as you mentioned. we must be wise as serpents and yet as innocent as doves!

Chayim b'Moshiach (Life in Messiah)

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Originally posted by thinker:

Amein Burning One ! The scripture that came to my mind when I read your post was
Phil. 4 : 8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honorable, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

I do not like saying the names of any pagan deity. Every time I see this I am reminded of what Yahweh Elohim said in Exodus 23 :13, "And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect (watchful, careful) and make no mention of the name of other elohim, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
I have heard so many people speak about how this or that came from some deity, and how some words spoken are of paganism, and I will tell people that wants to tell me about these things, lets talk about scriptures, I want to know what Yahweh has for me to learn this day.
Besides, all this is supposed to happen. Yahweh has placed it in order for these things to happen. He knows who will be called out and who isn't. Timing belongs to Yahweh.
The thing that we should be doing is preparing ourselves with the armor of Yahweh
so we will with stand the wiles of the devil. How do we do this ? by getting into the word and digging deep for what Yahweh has for us this day. Spending time with Him in prayer.
Whatever is to come,will happen when its supposed to, and not until then.
Besides, I read the book, and Yahshua WINS ! HalleluYAH !

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Shalom thinker,

yes, that very verse went through my mind while i was typing that post! it really is a good one to remember, and implement in our lives.

as for the pagan names issue, i understand your position. i was being sucked into wanting to tell everyone about them, as well, and delving deeper and deeper into the perverse origins of modern words, when i first began my journey in these waters, and i kept finding word after word was rooted in "evil", but then as i learned to read the Scriptures in Hebrew, i quickly realized that you can't even read that language without speaking the names of pagan deities, and so it became clear that there is a point the Father was making to His people about how far to take it. if you go all the way, you can't hardly speak English, and even worse, you would end up taking away from His very original Word -- which He clearly says NOT to do. so yes, i believe there is a reason we have these words mixed into all languages, and when He returns He will reverse the curse of Babel, and we shall all speak purely once more.

there is so much "wrong" in the world, that to attempt to refrain from every single thing one would have to be completely reprogrammed in every area, because most people who say "safe" names/words are probably still thinking of the "corrupt" version in their minds, unless they haven't grown up saying those particular words. it is almost an impossible task to focus your time and energy on. a distraction. speak the Hebrew Names as they appear in Scripture. that is a no-brainer, at least. names should be transliterated anyhow, in any language, not veiled or changed. but don't spend hours digging into paganistic literature to make sure you aren't saying a word that might be satanic -- for every word you might be able to root out, you have ingested how much info that is filth in nature? all my opinions, of course!

instead, we are to stand, and having done all, to stand -- as you intimated. let the Father perform His orchestrated masterpiece, and let us live as He has told us to live, focusing on what He has commanded us to focus on, and we shall see the salvation of Yah!

Chayim b'Moshiach (Life in Messiah)

All I can say is that the subject in this topic was about is the dragon an actual dragon, so I thought I was adding to the "conversation" about the dragon and Quetzalcoatl. If Chandler is right then I think we should try to wrap our brains around that we could be talking about a "creature". But we can't "flesh it out" so to speak if we don't talk about it.

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These things are in the Word, they aren't seperate from it, they are making referrence to these Pagan things. I'm not studying it to partake in it, but studying it to see where it fits in the overall scheme of things. You don't think it's important that a whole group of people expect the return of Quetzalcoatl/Jesus in 2012??? You don't think it's extremely important that we know that these same people see their cause the same as Palestine??? We could have a Mormon President, you don't care about understanding what Mormons believe??? I don't want to think that our greatest threat is Islam when it's really Aztlan. I feel like I need to be informed about such things for many reasons.

I shared the links, I think folks interested in Two House Restoration would find it interesting atleast. People can take the info however they want.

Shalom,
Naesimo

I saw this quote:
"Jesus-Jehovah reveled himself to our Mexican - American brethren ("'Not white, yea, not delightsome"). He came onto them in the form of Quetzal-coa-tl, the snake which sprouts feathers."

-- Joseph Smith; History of the Church, Vol. 665, p. 776.
To this day, Mormons and Central American Indians recognize the god Quetzalcoatl as the Feathered Serpent