Please read this article, i want your opinions.. thanx very much.

This article is guilty of using the same tactic as that of the rest of Christianity... it takes truth, and mixes it with lies.

In -- the anointed of -- YermeYah

so we think we're smarter than the Jews when we want to insist that there is nothing wrong with pronouncing the Name.

yes that is true.
but who has recovered the pronunciation?
the moderators are free to delete this one too. i know it is an embarrasing issue that many do not want to face. those who deny this issue exists are self-condmened.

"each man did what was right in his own eyes."

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Originally posted by varnishke:
but fact remains that no one here has any conclusive evidence regarding how to pronounce the Name and risks pronouncing it erroneously.

so we think we're smarter than the Jews when we want to insist that there is nothing wrong with pronouncing the Name.

yes that is true.
but who has recovered the pronunciation?
the moderators are free to delete this one too. i know it is an embarrasing issue that many do not want to face. those who deny this issue exists are self-condmened.

"each man did what was right in his own eyes."

shalom

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Shalom Varnishke,

I agree with you that none of us knows for sure what the pronunciation was when it was first given. Respectfully, I have to even take issue with the believers that Ahab says have passed the pronunciation down through the milennia.

Whisper something into someone's ear and have them pass it on and on until the 20th person get it and it will likely not the be same. You can do this in one day. What happens over thousands of years?

Nevertheless, I will ask you Varnishke as I have asked Ahab, what do you do when reading Torah and you come upon the yod-hey-waw-hey?

Do you insert haShem or Adonai or some attempt at pronouncing the actual name?

Thanks and shalom,
T4T

"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".(2Tim.3:7)...

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there are a few here, like the moderator(s) perhaps, who insist that the issue is sealed: "The Name is (most probably) Yah-Weh."

i think it's clear we do not have conclusive information and it is still unknown. which is a good reason why Jews say HaShem instead.

someone asks me what i do when reaching the tetragrammaton in the source text, and asks me how i handle that. well let me begin by saying what i do *not* do: i do not insist that i have guessed correctly the pronunciation and even go so far as to teach others to pronounce it a certain way. i do not presume to teach Torah as some have done.

and so dear achi i cannot tell you how i handle that circumstance. you must work that out yourself. i am sorry.

it is sad to see that some still refuse to accept that our religion is the religion of Yisrael and Moshiach and that the remaining knowledge of that religion is in the conext of Judaism, in spite of alleged leaven of rabbinical Judaism. it is sad that some would rather create their own traditions based on a few years in incipient teshuvah than be counted as a denomination of Judaism.

Karaiim believe the Name is pronounced a specific way based on Hebrew grammar and a clue in Shemot. But the verbose Rabiim choose to avoid speaking the Name. this is a judgement call.

if my name is Stan and you are missing the 'a' and presume my name is pronounced Satan i might answer you; or i might hold you in contempt.

you decide.

shalom.

well, now i've heard it all.
now i hear that even if the pronunciation "Yah-Way" is derived from Jove, or some other source, that this is inconsequential; that we are supposed to, like little babies, be learning to pronounce the Name. and like a little baby pronouncing his "daddy's" name we are supposed to "try" (quote unquote) to keep saying the Name.

achiym, this is about where i leave off here. when one's reasoning reaches this stage then in my perception just about anything is possible and can be justified.

meanwhile, if you'll excuse me, rather than say the Name incorrectly, please allow me to say 'HaShem' when i reach the tetragrammaton. and please reserve your accusation that i am aiding and abetting HaSatan in obscuring the Name (yes, achiym, this is what they accuse me of doing).

each man did what was right in his own eyes.

so keep doing it.

Greetings in His Unknown Name whereby we must be saved?

The basic commandments which hang the law and the prophets of course starts with the author of that written book. If we accept the Bible as the Text or manual book to be used in this life, then we should believed also that the writers had no intention to deceived anyone about what was written for instruction, guidance, correct mapping,correct setting, and etc. that man who was the subject on this book could be guided accordingly to what it is expected from him to His Creator. The works of the enemy altered the objectives and goals of the author to His subject. But do you think that the Perfect Author would allow His chosen and called out ones to be confused?

Hosiah said that "His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" James said that "a double minded man is unstable in all his ways". If you believed and trust Him that His commandments are not grievous, burden and confusing, then He will surely grant knowledge and wisdom .

Why should He say to Moseh in Exodus 3 that His Name is memorial unto all generations, after it will lost in our generation. He should had spoken that "Thou shall not take the (unknown) Name in vain, after all it will be lost in its pronunciation. Why should the Sabbath Keepers still keep the Sabbaths, after all the author's identity is lost already?.Do we presumed that the Almighty Powerful Creator's Holy Spirit is unable to revealed His Name to His people? Then why are we here? let us drink and eat and be merry for tomorrow we will all die, after all the Saving Name has lost its Real identity already? If it in His Name we will be saved (Joel 2:32), we will all be miserable if we keep on believing that Noone realy knows the pronunciation of His Name.

We have strong proofs that the Name of Yahweh was four vowels of Paleo Hebrew characters, which is written in English letters YaHWeH. Why six letters in English?, and why "W"? Remember the method is transliterating the Name, is giving the same pronunciation from one language & letters to another. May be the Chinese letters of Yahweh's name is different?They can write them in their own characters. In Greek it was written in IAOYE, where their U -Upsilon is written like our "Y" in english.In Greek is it Five letters, because of OU. The Romans will surely have different writings of the Y upsilon in Greek, they removed the bottomtail and make it "V", that is why they used V in their RVMVLVS. We could NOT used "V" in Yahweh's name in English because it is pronounced as consonant "V" as in victory, as it pass to English as consonant instead of vowel "U" of latin. Why "YEHOVAH"?
When the vowel points of the masoretes was internchanged where the "a" becomes "e" , the IEOYA, is the result in Greek, and IEOVA in Latin, and in English it is "YeHOVaH".
While "H" is vowel in Paleo Hebrew when inserted with different vowel points, it can be aH, eH, oH...it depends. Asher Scharfstein said in his writing, Kamatz the vowel point used in Yahweh's Name, is spelled "O" but pronounced as "A" as in Father. The Spardic Hebrew used Kamatz as "A" only as in Father, while Ashkenazi, used Kamatz as "AW", where the "W" is not pronunced at all. The same thing with some names like "Greenwich", the W is not pronounced in here.Many words in English, where the etimology is from European words, which has the spelling of "W" but it got not pronunciation at all, like Wrong, Wright...etc.

So "YeHOVaH" is the result of the enemy's alteration, that men may call "calamity" instead of the most powerful Name that exists forever.

In my humble prayers, I ask Almighty Yahweh, which vowels should be correct? He said to me in my deep sleep to look at my own Father's family Name, that the vowel points that my father's family name has is the same in His Name. I do not need to question His Name whether I got the correct pronunciation, I can feel and proven it is Him through my daily life happenings, mine was to look within me, if I am in line with His Will, am I really doing His required laws in my heart? Rev. 20:6. to be blessed Mathew 5 and Holy.He challenged us to Prove Him with singleminded Faith and Hope to Love Him in spirit and in truth. Try it, and you will experience different feelings of believing and trusting Him that He is existing and that His Name was never been lost.

Thanks for sharing brethren.

Yours in EliYah Message,

Sister Ana