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Minnesota Marlin Posts: 256 |
Information for the "jesus people". Dictionary definitions: SWINE: Contracted from *su-; probably a derivative of seu-1. _______________________________________________________
One entry found for swine. Main Entry: swine swine, Latin -------> "sus" <-------- -- more at SOW
This upgrade of the Latin Word List contains some eight thousand entries, Lynn H. Nelson
surrideo : to smile. surripio : to pilfer. surrogo : to to put in another's place. sursum deorsum : up and down. sursum : upwards.
suscipere : to undergo, receive, take up, sponsorship at baptism. suscipio : take up, support, raise /accept /undertake, begin. <<<<<<<<<
Shalom: I was just looking over this weeks super market ad specials that counterfeit passover ---> [E A S T E R] Does the meat they eat correspond with the NAME of their ---> ("S U S" : swine, [pig], hog) And who do the --> [heathen] look to as their savior,is his name "jesus"?..... 2 Cor.11:13, For such people are [false apostles], counterfeits, deceitful workers, 11:14, 11:15, John 6: Lets look at the name of the false messiah, the prefix is "JE" Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise ---> [false Christs], and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew In the latin "SUS" means ---> [ P I G ] And its been said that "JE" means --> [the] So the name --> "je/sus" really means ---------> [the/PIG] John 1:36 Revelation 22:1 MN Marlin [This message has been edited by Minnesota Marlin (edited 04-21-2001).] IP: Logged |
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Jozef Posts: 425 |
Shalom Wow, Minasota Marlin, you will be as popular as a Pork-chop in a synagogue with people who believe in the name 'Jesus'. Jozef IP: Logged |
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kongavnorge Posts: 136 |
Nice to see somebody telling it like it is! Hurrah for Minnesota Marlin! I think Hurrah is a proper usage. Maybe that bears some looking at, too? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ThePhysicist Posts: 428 |
Shalom The following is from the "Hu's on First" thread that I started on 04/20/00. I repost it here because there seem to be people who haven't learned the lesson yet. I am continually amazed by people who fail to understand how language works. Language is a system of communication using an arbitrarily agreed upon set of signs whether they be sounds or symbols on paper. There is no meaning intrinsic to a particular sound or symbol. The meaning comes from the MUTUAL understanding of the communicators. I offer the following as an example. Furthermore, those who have studied Hebrew should find it funny.
ABBOTT: I see you're here for your Hebrew lesson. A: Now, the first thing you must understand is that Hebrew and English have many words which sound alike, but they do not mean the same thing. Enjoy and learn! ThePhysicist IP: Logged |
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Star Posts: 116 |
SHALOM.....ok, ok, ThePhysicist...you still have me rolling on the floor. (Since I truely believe that Yahweh created us...He has made a great sense of humor here!) I must say, Marlin, your post, brought tears..for as many of you know I am a christian, and still believe in my YHWH..thru the first name I ever heard HIM called. And Physicist's explaination of language is an answer to many long suffering hours of praying to Yahushua. HE knows my heart! And that is what matters most...not how I learned to call HIM. May Yahweh know all of our hearts and may we continue to post that which edifies all. *Star IP: Logged |
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Larry G. Meguiar Posts: 4 |
Well people, first I get a mind blower, and then a great laugh that I surely needed this morning. Thanks much for BOTH!!! Larry IP: Logged |
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Minnesota Marlin Posts: 256 |
Shalom, I had intended to include the following scriptures in my post
And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. Matthew 8:31 Matthew 8:32 Note: Mark 1:27 And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even
and ---------> [doctrines of devils]; Isaiah 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat -------> [swine's flesh], and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Isaiah 66:17 ----------> [eating swine's flesh], and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together,
Rev.12:9, 2 Corinthians 6:17
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ThePhysicist Posts: 428 |
Shalom This supposed "sus" connection has been mentioned a number of times on this forum and has led to some humorous exchanges. The following was posted by JustBill on 11-09-99 on the "Linguistic Fallacy" thread. Some things never change! Don you amaze me. I don't believe I have ever met someone who revelled in their ignorance as much as you do. And that brings me to the next fallacy, the ROOT FALLACY. The root fallacy is the mistaken belief that a word's meaning is the sum of its components. Sometimes this is true, but in the majority of cases it is not. You can only know which is the case after you know the meaning of the word. If you didn't know what a "butterfly" was could you figure it out from "butter" and "fly"? And, how come all "greenhouses" aren't green. Is a monkey wrench a tool for disassembling monkeys? When I hear of a doughnut should I imagine a tree with dollops of cookie dough hanging where pecans should be or should I think of a piece of machinery with the protruding bolts covered with sourdough bread? In the previous cases we at least looked at legitimate component parts of a word. What happens if no discipline is applied? Lets examine some words from the "sus" family. Don has been kind enough to point out that "sus" means "pig". So, here goes... Suspenders = sus pen der s Thus suspenders are persons who put pigs in pens, sort of like pig wardens. Sustenance = sus ten ance Thus sustenance means the quality or state of being like 10 pigs, quite a stink I should say. Sussex = sus sex B'rakhot ThePhysicist [This message has been edited by ThePhysicist (edited 04-18-2001).] IP: Logged |
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Minnesota Marlin Posts: 256 |
Shalom Neil, (ThePhysicist) Lets pass on the "SUS" for now and take a diffrent approach on this topic. Neil, why do the grocery stores have their freezer bunkers loaded down with ----> [HAM] ----> (PIG MEAT) before the "christian" holiday ---> easter?_______________ And why for -----> "EASTER" ? Isaiah 66:17 ----------> [eating swine's flesh], (PIG MEAT) and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, >>>>------------> "[shall be consumed together]" Neil, why does YAHHU want to destroy ----> these "PIG MEAT EATERS"?______ Hosea 4:6, -----------> [forgotten the law] (in this case the law on PASSOVER) of YAHHU UL, I will also forget thy children. 1 Co.5:6, our paschal -------> [lamb,] has been sacrificed. (Say Neil! does this sound anything like ----> EASTER?... To the je-sus/easter people this verse whould more appropriately read " our paschal--> [PIG] has been sacrificed) 8, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, There is no compatability here what so ever with what the je/sus people do for their EASTER celabration (counterfeit passover) by eating PIG MEAT, Rom.3:24, Because: John 6: Because the false prophets read it to them right from the bible on 2 Corinthians 6:17 and be ye separate, saith YAHHU and touch That is PIG eaters and there counterfeit doctrines, (leaven) Neil, I don't think that its just happen-stance and or a fluke that the name of the false messiah corresponds to the kind of [flesh] that the je/sus (the pig) people eat for their IP: Logged |
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Theonomy Posts: 21 |
MN Marlin Just to clarify - You are obviously aware that the Apostle Paul used the name Iesous - the second syllable being pronounced "sus," and Iesous is where we get the name Jesus. Why is it, do you think, that this Apostle hated the Son of God so much that he called Him a pig? Should we rip out these blasphemous portions of the New Testament? I wait for your informed [sic] advice. Glenn IP: Logged |
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ThePhysicist Posts: 428 |
Shalom Marlin It was my intent to limit my remarks to the language issue. Dietary laws (what?, who?, how?) have been debated numerous times on this forum. I personally have no desire to engage in such a discussion. I post very little on this form these days, and I generally limit my comments to issues involving language especially Hebrew. Questions involving Hebrew usually have well defined answers (even if the answer is, "nobody knows!"), and I like it that way. Of course, there are people who come in and "muddy the water", but it is usually clear that these are people who know little or no Hebrew. Each time I see "Strong's #" I say to myself "oh no!" because I generally know what's coming next. As for myself, I keep Biblical kosher, but I am part of a Messianic Jewish congregation. Most people on this forum have associations with Sacred Name assenblies, which in my mind are something very different. With that said, I bid you farewell. Shabbat shalom uvrakhot b'shem Yeshua HaMashiakh Neal [This message has been edited by ThePhysicist (edited 04-20-2001).] IP: Logged |
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JourneyHome Posts: 173 |
Shalom ThePhysicist, I have been reading your post for a while and it seems to me that you are very knowledgable in the Hebrew language. I, myself have very little knowledge in the Hebrew language. I have a couple of questions for you if you do not mind. You said that you say "Oh no!" when you see a Strong's # come up in a discussion. Why is that? What is wrong with Strong's? Like I stated before, I know very little about Hebrew and this is the only resource that has been shown to me to be able to better understand the original words in Scripture. Do you have any suggestions for a better resource? Using the Strong's has helped me out a great deal in many different areas and Scriptures; to be able to understand their true meanings. What are the problems with Strong's that you are aware of? I think that most people here are searching for the truth and if there are errors in how we are going about studying His Word, then we would like to know so that we can change and receive more of the truth. I thought that the logic behind the Je/sus and the pig was very well studied and made a lot of sense. Do you believe that when the Messiah comes back to this earth he is going to say "Hi, I am Jesus" or do you think he is going to have his original name given to him by His father? Either Yeshua, or Yahshua ( I am not sure which was is gramatically correct or if either of them is correct). How come all names can be translated from one language to another and be pronounced basically the same way, but I get the feeling that you believe that is OK for the name of the Son to be changed and not even sound the same. If your name was Jack, but someone on the street yelled out Paul, would you turn around to answer? I would think not. Then why would "Yahshua" answer to "Jesus"? And if I understand this correctly...the Spanish speaking do not pronounce it G ZUS, but HEY ZUES. I have learned a little about the names given to the people in the Scriptures and what they mean or stand for. It has added alot to the understanding of many passages that were "locked" because the translated name means nothing, but the Hebrew names has very significant meanings. There was a post that stated "you know that Paul used the name Iesous. "I have to say that I do not know that. I thought they we all Israelites and there language was Hebrew. There has also been shown to me that at least some of the NT was written in Hebrew before it was translated into Greek. I really do not know, because I have never seen any of the original Scriptures. How would one know absolutely which one was original? Where do I go to see these originals? It does not make sense that they were Israelites and did not write and speak in the set apart tongue of Hebrew, but chose to use Greek. Any thoughts or clarifications on this? Lastly, you made a comment about you are from a Messianic Jewish congregation, and most others are associated with a Sacred Names Assembly. I do not understand the difference. Could you please help me with the differences? I saw you bid farwell. I would ask that you not bid us all farwell, but if you have something to really offer us so that our understanding and knowledge can grow, I urge you to stay and help us all out with our JourneyHome. Thank you for your time and your insight in advance. Shalom, JourneyHome IP: Logged |
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Minnesota Marlin Posts: 256 |
quote: Shalom Glenn, You are obviously aware that the Apostle Paul used the name Iesous - the NO!,I was NOT obviously aware that the Apostle Paul used the name Iesous. Why is it, do you think, that this Apostle hated the Son of God so much The Apostle Paul would never have addressed the SON by the name --> Iesous Philippians 3:5, Heb.7:14, (RSV) Hebrews 7:14, (AV) Glenn, I don't think that Paul (a Hebrew) would call YAHHUSHUA born Jer.23:25, Should we rip out these blasphemous portions of the New Testament? 1 Thessalonians 5:21 ---> "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." I wait for your informed [sic] advice. Glenn
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Theonomy Posts: 21 |
Marlin..... It isn't a response to simply (and deliberately) misquote the Bible. Firstly, you quoted from hebrews, which Paul didn't write, and secondly, you just erased the name Iesous and inserted a substitute. But it's just a fact that any New Testament scholar is aware of. In his (inspired) epistles, Paul calls the Son of God by the name Iesous. Like it or not, it is true. Check ANY (and I mean ANY) Greek new Testament (you realise that's the language Paul wrote in, right?), and you'll see it right there in black in white. Now again - why did Paul blaspheme so? After all, if you're right, and the name Jesus refers to a pig, this man (Paul) is a blasphemer! Glenn P.S. The alternative of course is that this bizarre new theory of yours about the name "Jesus" is wrong. IP: Logged |
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Minnesota Marlin Posts: 256 |
Glen, Please read what I wrote here in my last post. "I don't think that Paul (a Hebrew) would call YAHHUSHUA born Proverbs 30:4 what is his name?___________ and what is his ----> [son's name]?_________ if thou canst tell? Was it a "Greek" name or was it a ----> " H E B R E W " NAME? Matthew 13:25 Rev.12:9, the ---> [deceiver] of the -------> [whole world] he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares [This message has been edited by Minnesota Marlin (edited 05-05-2001).] IP: Logged |
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