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Minnesota Marlin

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posted 04-14-2001 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Minnesota Marlin   Click Here to Email Minnesota Marlin     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Information for the "jesus people".

Dictionary definitions:

SWINE:

Contracted from *su-; probably a derivative of seu-1.
Suffixed form *su-no-.
swine, from Old English swn, swine;
keelson, from Old Norse svn, swine. Both a and b from Germanic *swnam.
Suffixed form *su-k.
hog, from Old English hogg, hog, from British *hukk-;
socket, from Anglo-Norman soc, plowshare, perhaps from s-.
Both a and b from Celtic
expressive form *sukko-, swine, snout of a swine, plowshare;
sow2, from Old English sugu, sow, from Germanic *sug.
Basic form *s-. sow2, from Old English s, from Germanic *s-.
soil2, from Latin ---------> "sus, pig". <----------
hyena; hyoscine, from Greek hus, swine.
[Pokorny s-s 1038.]

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up the current word in the thesaurus.

One entry found for swine.

Main Entry: swine
Pronunciation: 'swIn
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural swine
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English swIn;
akin to Old High German swIn

swine, Latin -------> "sus" <--------

-- more at SOW
Date: before 12th century
1: any of various stout-bodied short-legged omnivorous mammals (family Suidae)
with a thick bristly skin and a long flexible snout; especially :
a domesticated member of the species ------> (Sus scrofa) <--------
that includes the European wild boar
2 : a contemptible person


Latin Word List:

This upgrade of the Latin Word List contains some eight thousand entries,
although a significant number are duplicates to allow the presentation of
additional possible translations and some few are idiosyncratic personal
reminders. Please note that this is only a word list offering some possible
translations and is no substitute for working closely with a good dictionary. It can nevertheless be quite helpful, particularly if
you download it to your own machine, where you can add to it and where your
word processor's thesaurus can greatly increase the number of possible
English translations. You may obtain this word list by
ftp raven.cc.ukans.edu login=anonymous password=your e-mail address,
cd pub/history/Europe/Medieval/aids and get the file latwords.aid
I would like to thank those who have contributed entries to this facility,
and I would encourage anyone who uses it and finds it useful to send lists
of possible additions in the form of simple text with the same format as
appears in the wordlist to lhnelson@raven.cc.ukans.edu. I claim no rights
to this material, and anyone may use it in any manner they see fit.

Lynn H. Nelson
lhnelson@raven.cc.ukans.edu
University of Kansas
18 June 1997


<<<<<<<<<

surrideo : to smile.

surripio : to pilfer.

surrogo : to to put in another's place.

sursum deorsum : up and down.

sursum : upwards.


sus : swine, pig, hog. <-------------<<<<


susceptor : guardian.

suscipere : to undergo, receive, take up, sponsorship at baptism.

suscipio : take up, support, raise /accept /undertake, begin.

<<<<<<<<<


JE/SUS (JE ="The") (SUS = "PIG")

Shalom:

I was just looking over this weeks super market ad specials that
came in the local paper for the up coming "easter celebration".
I can't believe the count, it was sixteen items on ---> [ham] (PIG MEAT)
alone... plus bacon and sausage etc. :~(
So ---> PIG-SWINE- MEAT seems to be a [very important food item] for the je/sus people when they celebrate their

counterfeit passover ---> [E A S T E R]

Does the meat they eat correspond with the NAME of their
false savior ---> Je/sus?.. --> (THE/PIG)

---> ("S U S" : swine, [pig], hog)

And who do the --> [heathen] look to as their savior,is his name "jesus"?.....
Do the false prophets ---> (2 Cor.11:13-15)
use the bible in their worship services, and do they copy-cat the
teachings of the --> TRUE SAVIOR YAHHUSHUA?..(John 6:53)

2 Cor.11:13,

For such people are [false apostles], counterfeits, deceitful workers,
disguising themselves as apostles of YAHHUSHUA.

11:14,
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

11:15,
Therefore it is not surprising his servants also disguise themselves
as servants of righteousness, whose end will correspond to their actions.

John 6:
52
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give
us his flesh to eat?"
53
So YAHHUSHUA said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the
flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
54
he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will
raise him up at the last day.
55
For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56
He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

Lets look at the name of the false messiah, the prefix is "JE"
and the suffix is ----> SUS.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise ---> [false Christs],
and ---> [false prophets],
Note:
All false prophets call their savior by the name of --> [jesus]

and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if it were possible, they shall ---> [deceive the very elect].

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew
signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

In the latin "SUS" means ---> [ P I G ]

And its been said that "JE" means --> [the]

So the name --> "je/sus" really means ---------> [the/PIG]

John 1:36
And looking upon YAHHUSHUA as he walked,
he saith, Behold the ----> [ L A M B ] of YAHHU UL!

Revelation 22:1
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of YAHHU and of the --> [LAMB].

MN Marlin

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Shalom

Wow, Minasota Marlin, you will be as popular as a Pork-chop in a synagogue with people who believe in the name 'Jesus'.
But.... thruth is thruth I guess, and it is a thorough study.
I bet some one will find an answer to the contrary ( oooops not supose to bet), this always happens when people do not want to hear the truth.
I will be looking out for this tread, to read the responces, for it is a HOT one.

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Nice to see somebody telling it like it is! Hurrah for Minnesota Marlin! I think Hurrah is a proper usage. Maybe that bears some looking at, too?

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Shalom

The following is from the "Hu's on First" thread that I started on 04/20/00. I repost it here because there seem to be people who haven't learned the lesson yet.

I am continually amazed by people who fail to understand how language works. Language is a system of communication using an arbitrarily agreed upon set of signs whether they be sounds or symbols on paper. There is no meaning intrinsic to a particular sound or symbol. The meaning comes from the MUTUAL understanding of the communicators. I offer the following as an example. Furthermore, those who have studied Hebrew should find it funny.


ABBOTT & COSTELLO LEARN HEBREW
by Rabbi Jack Moline

ABBOTT: I see you're here for your Hebrew lesson.
COSTELLO: I'm ready to learn.

A: Now, the first thing you must understand is that Hebrew and English have many words which sound alike, but they do not mean the same thing.
C: Sure, I understand.
A: Now, don't be too quick to say that.
C: How stupid do you think I am -don't answer that. It's simple-some words in Hebrew sound like words in English, but they don't mean the same.
A: Precisely.
C: We have that word in English, too. What does it mean in Hebrew?
A: No, no. Precisely is an English word.
C: I didn't come here to learn English, I came to learn Hebrew. So make with the Hebrew.
A: Fine. Let's start with mee.
C: You.
A: No , mee.
C: Fine, we'll start with you.
A: No, we'll start with mee.
C: Okay, have it your way.
A: Now, mee is who.
C: You is Abbott.
A: No, no, no. Mee is who.
C: You is Abbott.
A: You don't understand.
C: I don't understand? Did you just say me is who?
A: Yes I did. Mee is who.
C: You is Abbott.
A: No, You Misunderstand what I am saying. Tell me about mee.
C: Well, you're a nice enough guy.
A: No, no. Tell me about mee!
C: Who?
A: Precisely.
C: Precisely what?
A: Precisely who.
C: It's precisely whom!
A: No, mee is who.
C: Don't start that again-go on to something else.
A: All right. Hu is he.
C: Who is he?
A: Yes.
C: I don't know. Who is he?
A: Sure you do. You just said it.
C: I just said what?
A: Hu is he.
C: Who is he?
A: Precisely.
C: Again with the precisely! Precisely who?
A: No, precisely hee.
C: Precisely he? Who is he?
A: Precisely!
C: And what about me?
A: Hu.
C: me, me, me!
A: Hu, hu, hu!
C: What are you, an owl? Me! Who is me?
A: No, hu is he!
C: I don't know I maybe he is me!
A: No, hee is she! (STARE AT ABBOTT)
C: Do his parents know about this?
A: About what?
C: About her!
A: What about her?
C: That she is he!
A: No, you've got it wrong-hee is she!
C: Then who is he?
A: Precisely!
C: Who?
A: He!
C: Me?
A: Hu!
C: He?
A: She!
C: Who is she?
A: No, hu is he.
C: I don't care who is he, I want to know who is she?
A: No, that's not right.
C: How can it not be right? I said it. I was standing here when I said it, and I know me.
A: Hu.
C: Who?
A: Precisely!
C: Me! Me is that he you are talking about! He is me!
A: No, hee is she!
C: Wait a Minute, wait a minute! I'm trying to learn a little Hebrew, and now I can't even speak English. Let me review.
A: Go ahead.
C: Now first You want to know me is who.
A: Correct.
C: And then you say who is he.
A: Absolutely.
C: And then you tell me he is she.
A & C: Precisely!
C: Now look at this logically. If me is who. And who is he. And he is she. Don't it stand to reason that me is she?
A: Who?
C: She!
A: That is he!
C: Who is he?
A & C: Precisely!
C: I have just about had it. You have me confused I want to go home. You know what I want? Ma!
A: What.
C: I said Ma.
A: What.
Q: What are you, deaf? I want Ma!
A: What!
C: Not what, who!
A: He!
C: Not he! Ma is not he!
A: Of course not! Hu is he!
C: I don't know. I don't know. I don't care. I don't care who is he, he is she, me is who, ma is what. I just want to go home now and play with my dog.
A: Fish.
C: Fish?
A: Dag is fish.
C: That's all, I'm outa here.

Enjoy and learn!

ThePhysicist

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SHALOM.....ok, ok, ThePhysicist...you still have me rolling on the floor. (Since I truely believe that Yahweh created us...He has made a great sense of humor here!)

I must say, Marlin, your post, brought tears..for as many of you know I am a christian, and still believe in my YHWH..thru the first name I ever heard HIM called.
(Again this topice brings doubt.)
But, I can not forget that our Yahweh does not deal in confusion!

And Physicist's explaination of language is an answer to many long suffering hours of praying to Yahushua.

HE knows my heart! And that is what matters most...not how I learned to call HIM.
Thank you though Marlin, because topics that make me question my faith...STRENGTHENS my walk with our Yahushua.

May Yahweh know all of our hearts and may we continue to post that which edifies all.

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Well people, first I get a mind blower, and then a great laugh that I surely needed this morning. Thanks much for BOTH!!!

Larry

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Shalom,

I had intended to include the following scriptures in my post
but I forgot to do so.


Matthew 8:30

And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

Matthew 8:31
So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. (Pigs)

Matthew 8:32
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd
of ---> [swine] ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Note:
Isn't it very interesting what ---> [ A N I M A L ] the demons chose to enter?.

Mark 1:27

And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even
the ----> [unclean spirits], and they do obey him.


1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,

and ---------> [doctrines of devils];

Isaiah 65:4

Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments,

which eat -------> [swine's flesh],

and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

Isaiah 66:3

He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.
Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul (false prophets) delighteth in their ----> [abominations}.
(easter, etc.)

Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst,

----------> [eating swine's flesh],

and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together,
saith YAHHU UL.


Revelation 16:13
And I saw three ---> [unclean] spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev.12:9,
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels (demons) were thrown down with him.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith YAHHU
and touch not the
------------> [unclean thing]; and I will receive you.


Note:
"Touch not the unclean thing" ---> (the/PIG)
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Shalom

This supposed "sus" connection has been mentioned a number of times on this forum and has led to some humorous exchanges. The following was posted by JustBill on 11-09-99 on the "Linguistic Fallacy" thread. Some things never change!

Don you amaze me. I don't believe I have ever met someone who revelled in their ignorance as much as you do. And that brings me to the next fallacy, the ROOT FALLACY.

The root fallacy is the mistaken belief that a word's meaning is the sum of its components. Sometimes this is true, but in the majority of cases it is not. You can only know which is the case after you know the meaning of the word. If you didn't know what a "butterfly" was could you figure it out from "butter" and "fly"? And, how come all "greenhouses" aren't green. Is a monkey wrench a tool for disassembling monkeys? When I hear of a doughnut should I imagine a tree with dollops of cookie dough hanging where pecans should be or should I think of a piece of machinery with the protruding bolts covered with sourdough bread?

In the previous cases we at least looked at legitimate component parts of a word. What happens if no discipline is applied? Lets examine some words from the "sus" family. Don has been kind enough to point out that "sus" means "pig". So, here goes...

Suspenders = sus pen der s
pen - (n) an enclosure, (v) to place in a pen
der - from "er" , one who performs an action
s - plural indicator

Thus suspenders are persons who put pigs in pens, sort of like pig wardens.

Sustenance = sus ten ance
ten - 10, the number that comes after 9
ance - action or state, quality or degree

Thus sustenance means the quality or state of being like 10 pigs, quite a stink I should say.

Sussex = sus sex
Need I go further?

B'rakhot

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Shalom Neil, (ThePhysicist)

Lets pass on the "SUS" for now and take a diffrent approach on this topic.

Neil, why do the grocery stores have their freezer bunkers loaded down with

----> [HAM] ----> (PIG MEAT)

before the "christian" holiday ---> easter?_______________

And why for -----> "EASTER" ?

Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens
behind one tree in the midst,

----------> [eating swine's flesh], (PIG MEAT)

and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together,
saith YAHHU UL.

>>>>------------> "[shall be consumed together]"

Neil, why does YAHHU want to destroy ----> these "PIG MEAT EATERS"?______

Hosea 4:6,
My people are "destroyed" for ---> [lack of knowledge]: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast

-----------> [forgotten the law] (in this case the law on PASSOVER)

of YAHHU UL, I will also forget thy children.

1 Co.5:6,

Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
7,
Cleanse out the old leaven (false doctrines/easter) that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For YAHHUSHUA MESSIAH,

our paschal -------> [lamb,] has been sacrificed.

(Say Neil! does this sound anything like ----> EASTER?...

To the je-sus/easter people this verse whould more appropriately read

" our paschal--> [PIG] has been sacrificed)

8,
---> [Let us, therefore],
-------> [celebrate the festival], ---> (P A S S O V E R)

not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil,
but with the [unleavened bread]
of -------> [sincerity and truth].

There is no compatability here what so ever with what the je/sus people do for their EASTER celabration (counterfeit passover) by eating PIG MEAT,
and those who observe ---> "YAHHUSHUA'S PASSOVER".
(of sincerity and truth)

Rom.3:24,

They are justified by his grace as a gift, through
the ---> [redemption] which is in YAHHUSHUA MESSAIH,
25,
whom YAHHU put forward as an expiation by his ---> [blood],
to be received by faith. This was to show YAHHU'S righteousness,
because in his divine forbearance
he had -----> [passed over] (Passover) former sins;

These same je/sus people will eat ---> TURKEY (a clean food) for thanksgiving, but they will eat "the pig" (unclean food) for their -----> counterfeit Passover holiday,.
And why do the je-sus people eat "PIG MEAT"
on their ---> easter/counterfeit passover?..

Because:

John 6:
54
He who eats my --> [flesh] and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will
raise him up at the last day.
55
For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56
He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

Because the false prophets read it to them right from the bible on
easter sunday, and they go home and eat of their false messiah
--------> THE..PIG (HAM, PIG FLESH)

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore -----> [come out from among them],
(jesus people, --> the PIG eaters)

and be ye separate, saith YAHHU and touch
not the ------------> [unclean thing]; and I will receive you.

That is PIG eaters and there counterfeit doctrines, (leaven)
like easter etc.

Neil, I don't think that its just happen-stance and or a fluke that the name of the false messiah corresponds to the kind of [flesh] that the je/sus (the pig) people eat for their
copy-cat --> counterfeit passover feast.


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MN Marlin

Just to clarify -

You are obviously aware that the Apostle Paul used the name Iesous - the second syllable being pronounced "sus," and Iesous is where we get the name Jesus. Why is it, do you think, that this Apostle hated the Son of God so much that he called Him a pig? Should we rip out these blasphemous portions of the New Testament?

I wait for your informed [sic] advice.

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Shalom Marlin

It was my intent to limit my remarks to the language issue. Dietary laws (what?, who?, how?) have been debated numerous times on this forum. I personally have no desire to engage in such a discussion. I post very little on this form these days, and I generally limit my comments to issues involving language especially Hebrew. Questions involving Hebrew usually have well defined answers (even if the answer is, "nobody knows!"), and I like it that way. Of course, there are people who come in and "muddy the water", but it is usually clear that these are people who know little or no Hebrew. Each time I see "Strong's #" I say to myself "oh no!" because I generally know what's coming next.

As for myself, I keep Biblical kosher, but I am part of a Messianic Jewish congregation. Most people on this forum have associations with Sacred Name assenblies, which in my mind are something very different. With that said, I bid you farewell.

Shabbat shalom uvrakhot b'shem Yeshua HaMashiakh

Neal

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Shalom ThePhysicist,

I have been reading your post for a while and it seems to me that you are very knowledgable in the Hebrew language. I, myself have very little knowledge in the Hebrew language. I have a couple of questions for you if you do not mind.

You said that you say "Oh no!" when you see a Strong's # come up in a discussion. Why is that? What is wrong with Strong's? Like I stated before, I know very little about Hebrew and this is the only resource that has been shown to me to be able to better understand the original words in Scripture. Do you have any suggestions for a better resource? Using the Strong's has helped me out a great deal in many different areas and Scriptures; to be able to understand their true meanings. What are the problems with Strong's that you are aware of? I think that most people here are searching for the truth and if there are errors in how we are going about studying His Word, then we would like to know so that we can change and receive more of the truth.

I thought that the logic behind the Je/sus and the pig was very well studied and made a lot of sense. Do you believe that when the Messiah comes back to this earth he is going to say "Hi, I am Jesus" or do you think he is going to have his original name given to him by His father? Either Yeshua, or Yahshua ( I am not sure which was is gramatically correct or if either of them is correct). How come all names can be translated from one language to another and be pronounced basically the same way, but I get the feeling that you believe that is OK for the name of the Son to be changed and not even sound the same. If your name was Jack, but someone on the street yelled out Paul, would you turn around to answer? I would think not. Then why would "Yahshua" answer to "Jesus"? And if I understand this correctly...the Spanish speaking do not pronounce it G ZUS, but HEY ZUES.

I have learned a little about the names given to the people in the Scriptures and what they mean or stand for. It has added alot to the understanding of many passages that were "locked" because the translated name means nothing, but the Hebrew names has very significant meanings.

There was a post that stated "you know that Paul used the name Iesous. "I have to say that I do not know that. I thought they we all Israelites and there language was Hebrew. There has also been shown to me that at least some of the NT was written in Hebrew before it was translated into Greek. I really do not know, because I have never seen any of the original Scriptures. How would one know absolutely which one was original? Where do I go to see these originals? It does not make sense that they were Israelites and did not write and speak in the set apart tongue of Hebrew, but chose to use Greek. Any thoughts or clarifications on this?

Lastly, you made a comment about you are from a Messianic Jewish congregation, and most others are associated with a Sacred Names Assembly. I do not understand the difference. Could you please help me with the differences?

I saw you bid farwell. I would ask that you not bid us all farwell, but if you have something to really offer us so that our understanding and knowledge can grow, I urge you to stay and help us all out with our JourneyHome.

Thank you for your time and your insight in advance.

Shalom,

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Originally posted by Theonomy:
MN Marlin

Just to clarify -

You are obviously aware that the Apostle Paul used the name Iesous - the second syllable being pronounced "sus," and Iesous is where we get the name Jesus. Why is it, do you think, that this Apostle hated the Son of God so much that he called Him a pig? Should we rip out these blasphemous portions of the New Testament?

I wait for your informed [sic] advice.

Glenn


Shalom Glenn,
_________
You said:

You are obviously aware that the Apostle Paul used the name Iesous - the
second syllable being pronounced "sus," and Iesous is where we get the
name Jesus.
___________
Me:

NO!,I was NOT obviously aware that the Apostle Paul used the name Iesous.
___________
You said:

Why is it, do you think, that this Apostle hated the Son of God so much
that he called Him a pig?
_________
Me:

The Apostle Paul would never have addressed the SON by the name --> Iesous

Philippians 3:5,
Circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of ---> [Israel],
of the tribe of ---> Benjamin,
a -----> [Hebrew] born of [Hebrews]; as to the law a Pharisee,

Heb.7:14, (RSV)
For it is evident that our MASTER YAHHUSHUA was descended from ---> [Judah],
and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

Hebrews 7:14, (AV)
For it is evident that our MASTER YAHHUSHUA sprang out of ---> [Juda];
of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Glenn, I don't think that Paul (a Hebrew) would call YAHHUSHUA born
from the tribe of Judah, who had been given a Hebrew name (YAHHUSHUA)
by HIS Hebrew parents, would then come up with a [Greek name] for HIM.

Jer.23:25,
I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name,
saying, 'I have dreamed, I have dreamed!'
26,
How long shall there be lies in the heart of the (false) prophets
who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart,
27,
who think to make my people ------> [forget my name]
by their dreams which they tell one another,
even as their fathers forgot ---> [my name (YAHHU) for Ba'al]?
___________
You.

Should we rip out these blasphemous portions of the New Testament?

1 Thessalonians 5:21

---> "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

You will have to do your own homework Glenn and
prove it to yourself. <> MN Marlin

I wait for your informed [sic] advice.

Glenn



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Marlin.....

It isn't a response to simply (and deliberately) misquote the Bible. Firstly, you quoted from hebrews, which Paul didn't write, and secondly, you just erased the name Iesous and inserted a substitute. But it's just a fact that any New Testament scholar is aware of. In his (inspired) epistles, Paul calls the Son of God by the name Iesous. Like it or not, it is true. Check ANY (and I mean ANY) Greek new Testament (you realise that's the language Paul wrote in, right?), and you'll see it right there in black in white.

Now again - why did Paul blaspheme so? After all, if you're right, and the name Jesus refers to a pig, this man (Paul) is a blasphemer!

Glenn

P.S. The alternative of course is that this bizarre new theory of yours about the name "Jesus" is wrong.

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Glen, Please read what I wrote here in my last post.

"I don't think that Paul (a Hebrew) would call YAHHUSHUA born
from the tribe of Judah, who had been given a Hebrew name (YAHHUSHUA)
by HIS Hebrew parents, would then come up with a [Greek name] for HIM."

Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the
wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath
established all the ends of the earth?

what is his name?___________

and what is his ----> [son's name]?_________

if thou canst tell?

Was it a "Greek" name or was it a ----> " H E B R E W " NAME?

Matthew 13:25
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Rev.12:9,
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the [Devil and Satan],

the ---> [deceiver] of the -------> [whole world]

he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares
(a false name)
among the wheat, (scriptures) and went his way. MN marlin

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