posted 10-27-1999 12:03 PM         

Don>>Shalom Thummim
I am Glad to hear that j.e.S.U.S. isn't your savior,bro.
IT and I do mean IT,ain't mine either!

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To me YAHUWDIM and YHWH share the same name.
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I CONCUR,BRO.!

Personally I find it very refreshing and uplifting to see that there is someone that
understands the importants of the this Name YAHUWDIM and it's relationship to the
creators NAME YHWH.
I don't understand how anyone can miss this fact.<<

ME>> Don you are you too busy spreading your message of hate and contempt for Christianity, that you completely missed what this person said to you? He said that Jesus by any name wasn't his saviour, that means, "Yahushuah, Yahshuah, Yahshua, Yeshua." And how did you respond? Basically with "Great" then you went on to talk about the importance of using the name YHWH. Well said my Messiah when he exclaimed,

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

posted 10-28-1999 02:02 AM           

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"how you came to know the name of YHWdaH yourself"

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I would like to dress it up and say that YHWH zaped me,
but I would be lying through my teeth if I did.

The truth is that once I learn that NAMES are TRANSLITERED,
it wasn't all that hard to figure out.

If you got a Strong's or a half way decent bible dic ---
well it's right in your face and very hard to miss.

Another clue is that word/names used in the translation
of the scriptures are all bywords-JEW JUDA JUDE etc.,
all coming from either Greek or latin or old english and not HEBREW.
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The seventh angel

(1)
I didn't miss anything,sonny
I know what he said do you know what I said?

The IT I was talking about was your idol J.e.s.u.s.

(2)
I may dis - like your RELIGION ,Bro,but you would be amazed,
I don't like anyones RELIGION.

Ex.20:3

"YOU HAVE NO OTHER MIGHTY ONES AGAINST MY FACE!"

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TRUST IN YHWH

Satan without a doubt is the GOD of this world and RELIGION
is one of the many cars that he drives in this world of his.

Is that to say that all men that are seduced by RELIGION are
EVIL men-------NO!

There are some that really believe that their RELIGION is the
only way to go and the only truth.

There are also men that know the truth and for what ever reason,
refuse to obey the TRUTH,most of the time it has to do with money
and power and these men use RELIGION as their personal car and use
whatever means it takes to reach there goal.

Look bro. I don't think that you where born yesterday or anything
like that or that your stupid--
so what's up?

posted 11-04-1999 09:44 AM           

(Latin-English-Latin Java Dictionary with Whitaker's Wordlist)
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sus : swine, pig, hog.

(Lynn Nelson's Latin=English Dictionary (Hong Kong)
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sus, -is g.c. nomen animalis

(A Latin Dictionary of Saxo Grammaticus (medieval Latin)

"SUS".suis
1.
Prop.:A swine,hog.pig,boar,sow:
Cic--Proverb: SUS MINERVAM,A hog teaches Minerva,i.e. an ignorant person pretends
to instuct one well versed in any subject.

(Latin Dictionary)
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SWINE
[ME fr.OE swin; akin to OHG swin swine LATIN -SUS--more at SOW]

1:
any of various stout-bodied short legged omnivorous mammals (family Suidae) with a
thick bristly skin and long mobile snout;
esp: a domesticated member of the species (Sus Scrofa) that includes the European wild
boar-usu.used collectively

2:
a contemptible person

(Webster's Seventh New Collegate Dictionary)

posted 09-13-2002 02:10 PM         

What's in a name? I agree names are important; especially today (Allah vs. J@hovah?), but the Messiah is know to the majority of the entire world by the name Jesus. Despite this name, they believe Him to be the only begotten Son of the one and only true God. They belive He died for our sins, and rose again. Or at least are aware of what we believe.

I don't think that a repentant soul will be denied forgiveness, regeneration and renewal from the God of the Bible simply for getting His name wrong. He is called by many names; and as long as those names refer to the correct person, I say they are valid. If I call Him the Source of my joy, do I now worship a false god? If I call my wife 'honey' will she accuse me of adultery? (Now, granted, if I called her 'Sally' rather than Laura, there'd be trouble; but only if I were truly addressing her while thinking of another.)

Paul also penned the words "...by Jesus Christ of Nazareth doth this man stand before you whole...neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby me must be saved." Acts 4:12.

This was written, originally, in Greek. The greek name used here is Iesous Christos Nazoraois. So, taken literally, salvation can be found in no other name but Iesous Christos Nazoraois. So, all those poor people calling on the name of Yeshua, Jesus, Yahuwshua, J@hovah, YHWH, God, etc. (or any other name in a language other than ancient greek) for forgiveness and a new life...are all lost in sin; they got the name wrong. Right?

Wrong. Paul used many different names for Yeshua in the book of Acts; Prince of Life, Holy One, etc. Are we to think he refers to another?

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Matt. 5:11.

The reproach of the unjust is a badge of honor. Yeshua wore it as a crown, incidentally the only King crowned in Israel since David (or Solomon, don't remember).

The point: if we cry out to the Son of the Most High God, knowing correctly to whom it is that we cry, we may get the name wrong, but we will become the righeousness of God in Him.

Only an opinion; open for discussion.

I've enjoyed your ideas...the name is important, but not so important as to cause a potential child of God or brother in Christ to stumble and fall. It were better to have a millstone hung about our neck and be cast into the depths of the sea...

posted 09-13-2002 06:27 PM         

The only issue that I would bring up here is only from the stand point of being a Y'hudi (Jewish) I have problems with the word "jesus" not as much from a pagan kind of thing, but mainly from the attrocities that have been done to my people in the name "jesus". Because I am a Y'hudi who has some ancesters who were
tortored and enslaved by "christians" in the 1600's all in the name "jesus" this presents with me a big problem.

Also, what comes to mind are the various European Inquisitions all done in the name "jesus" where both believing and non-believing Y'hudim (Jews) were tortored and killed. I also think of the various Ku Klux Klan organizations that do the things they do all in the name "jesus". I also think of the various cults and such, that once again most of which surround themselves in the name of "jesus".

Now I say all this only from a Jewish perspective which is one of the biggest arguments that those of us Y'hudim who do believe in being Mashee'akh all the above are brought up as things that were done in the name "jesus" which is why I PERSONALLY would never call Mashee'akh such. Besides the fact that is is a poor transliteration of all the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts in terms of how it is PRONOUNCED by non-Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek speakers. Even many of the definitions that some give for these words don't match up in some cases. Yet, I am not judging anyone on this.

At the same time I don't go chasing non-B'nei Yisra'el and non-Y'hudim (Jews) people down and trying to convince them to
pronounce the Hebrew correctly. The reason is I have met non-Y'hudim who because they don't know Hebrew pronunciation will just pronounce his name any kind of way. I also don't believe in judging anyone who calls Him "jesus" even though I never
would. I believe that in the World to Come He will make His Name known.

Now based on Hebrew pronunciation a more accurate transliteration of would be Yeyshu'a or of the Aramaic which would be trasliterated as Y'shu or Y'shu'a depending on what dielect we are talking about. These two show up in about 99 % of the Ancient Hebrew and Aramaic documents of the B'rit Khadashah and the Qyama' Khadta' (Writings about Mashee'akh.) This includes the DuTillet Hebrew Mattew, the Syriac Matthew-John, Letters from Sha'ul (Paul), the Peshitta Aramaic letters, and the Aramaic Revelations.

Of course there is on Hebrew document that renders the Messiah's Name as , but that is another subject. There is even evidence that Sha'ul's (Paul's) letters were originally penned in Hebrew or Aramaic. Especially in light of the fact that all halakhic documents were written in Hebrew or Aramaic, and then read and translated verbally to others. A case for this is especially made in the case of the Bar Kosiba revolt of 132 c.e. where one of Bar Kosiba's generals sent appologies for sending a letter to Bar Kosiba in Greek since Hebrew was the standard.

L'hitra'ot,

posted 09-14-2002 01:17 PM         

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Originally posted by 1ELIJAH:

Paul also penned the words "...by Jesus Christ of Nazareth doth this man stand before you whole...neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby me must be saved." Acts 4:12.

This was written, originally, in Greek. The greek name used here is Iesous Christos Nazoraois. So, taken literally, salvation can be found in no other name but Iesous Christos Nazoraois. So, all those poor people calling on the name of Yeshua, Jesus, Yahuwshua, J@hovah, YHWH, God, etc. (or any other name in a language other than ancient greek) for forgiveness and a new life...are all lost in sin; they got the name wrong. Right?

The point: if we cry out to the Son of the Most High God, knowing correctly to whom it is that we cry, we may get the name wrong, but we will become the righeousness of God in Him.

Only an opinion; open for discussion.
Sha'alu Shalom Yeruahali'im,
A gentile lover of Israel, and her True God YHWH[/B]

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Shalom,

Acts 22:2
(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

Acts 26:

13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me,

and saying in the -----> [Hebrew tongue],

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, L-rd? And he said,

I am (YAHHUSHUA) ---> je-[sus] (Latin) whom thou persecutest.

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