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Don unregistered	posted 10-22-1999 03:55 PM THE SUFFIX OF THE SURROGATE NAMES OF THE SAVIOR We are told that the Messiah's Name in Greek is "Ie-sous" pronounced ee-ay -sooce. In Latin it's written "Ie-svs" or "Ie-sus" pronounced ee-/sooce or zus In Old English it is written also "Ie-svs" or "Ie-sus" pronounced ee-/sooce or zus In the last two hundred years this name has evolved (because of the (J) factor) to "Je-sus" pronounced Gee-/sooce or zus THESE ARE ALL CONSIDERED TO BE WHAT IS CALLED TRANSLITERATIONS! This is the means of bringing across the letters and sounds of letters from one language to another. ------------------------- Unquestionably there are phonetic parallels between the sound of the name "Zeus" and the sound of the suffix of the Latin "Ie-SUS" and the English "Ie-SUS"& "Je-SUS" which are both pronounced "SOOCE" or "ZUS" in English, and this is certainly a factor to consider and keep in mind. But this is not the direction of this topic today. What I want to address is this. If you go to your dictionary and look up the word/name "SWINE" you find that in Latin the word/name SWINE is "SUS". Excluding the Greek word/name,this Latin word for SWINE i.e. pig---"SUS" is identical in writing to the suffix of the Latin and the English transliteration "Ie-SUS" and "Je-SUS". "SUS" pronounced "SOOCE" or "ZUS" in English! In Latin it means "SWINE" i.e. PIG, and has the same sound as the Greek suffix in the word/name "Ie-SOUS" , pronounced "SOOCE" Here are some more interesting parallels In the Spanish translations of the scriptures such as in Mexico for example the name is written "Je-sus" but it is pronounced He or HEY - SOOCE. Both the suffix spelling and sound of the suffix is the same for the Latin word "SUS",which means SWINE. (According to the dictionary this word SWINE can also mean a CONTEMPTIBLE Person) THE LITERALWRITTEN PARALLELS ARE THERE! THE LITERAL PHONETIC PARALLELS ARE THERE! ------------------------ Men of Yisrael,here this: Can any of us as true believers in the faith of Abraham our father continue to call the Messiah of Yisrael by a name of Shame i.e. a CONTEMPTIBLE PIG ? Do we continue in the foot steps of our immediate ancestor's ignorance, and choose tradition of men (LIES) over truth ? The Messiah has a name and you can find out what that Name is , it's a Hebrew Name for a Hebrew King. YAHUWSHUA meaning SALVATION of /or HE is YAHUW /(YHW), You can't get this literal meaning out of any of the PIG names listed above,not ever! You can bend and twist and even break them and never come up with a literal meaning such as you get out of the Messiah's Hebrew name YAHUWSHUA! ---------------------- Sha'ul tells us in (Eph.5 "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things YHWH's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partakers with them. For you were once darkness,but now you are light in the Messiah............ Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, BUT RATHER EXPOSE THEM..... But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visble. This why it is said: 'Wake up,O sleeper,rise from the dead, and Messiah will shine on you'. Be very careful then,how you live-- not as unwise but as wise,making the most of every opportunity, because the days are EVIL". IP: Logged
Thummim Posts: 76 Registered: Sep 1999	posted 10-22-1999 06:20 PM Perhaps the name was iysh-soos, strongs 376+5483or7797, the joy of man. Eesh is man, Soos is joy from a word meaning brightness. Looking at the name of (jesus) and trying to transliterate it from hebrew, this is what I come up with. Then who in hebrew is named Iysh-soos? IP: Logged
Don unregistered	posted 10-23-1999 06:01 AM Shabbat Shalom Thummim I don't know! Who is Iysh-soos? Please explain. I would be very interested how you take Je-SUS back to this Iysh-Soos. May YHWH have MERCY on us ALL! IP: Logged
Thummim Posts: 76 Registered: Sep 1999	posted 10-23-1999 11:45 AM I just wanted to know if the name of (jesus) would tranliterate into hebrew. Since there are no (J's) in hebrew, we have to go to "yod". This must end with either "shin" or "camek". Iysh, a hebrew word for a man is all I could come up with. Some combination of either "shin" or "camek" must make up the rest of the name of (jee-sus), if it has a hebrew root. His name likely came from a Greek or Latin play on "Yashua". Still curiosity led me to check the hebrew. "Soos", brightness, or "joy", was the other half of my search. The new testement and the name of (jesus) seems to be a gentilish attempt at interpreting something originally of another peoples language and culture. I don't find it all that friendly to the already established faith of Yahudeem. Just look up the term "the JEWs" in a concordance and ask yourself if a JEW would speak of his people in such an "all inclusive" way? What did "the JEWs" really do to the early christians? Shouldn't individuals have been named instead of accusing a hole culture? The JEWs,--The JEWs,--The JEWs, Iysh! IP: Logged
Don unregistered	posted 10-24-1999 05:13 AM Shalom Thummim Don't worry bro, I wasn't knocking you I was just asking. I never heard any of this before and it sounded a little strange. I personal believe these surrogate names were really very poor attempts to give the Messiah pagan names that pagans were already aware of, i.e. their IDOLS. The pig was held in a special place in the minds and hearts of the Greeks and Romans(Latins). This was the animal they use to sacrifice to their IDOLS. As far as the christians hating JEWS goes --- well thats another story. In the first place the people you referr to as JEWS are YAHUWDIM. Look in your strong's. In babylon they were called YAHUW's,and meant it as an insult. The Greeks called them IUDE's,and meant it as a insult. The Romans called them IUDE's and called the land they came from IUDA, and they meant them both as a insult. As time rolled on during the middle ages in Europe,the Christians started calling them JEWS,and they certanly meant it as an INSULT. Well guess what bro. it AIN'T CHANGED,it's still an INSULT! Personal Names don't change from one language to another if you Transliterate them, and a peoples collective name don't change either if it is transliterated. The Name is YAHUWDAH(sin)and YAHUWDIM(pl)and guess what bro,it ain't an INSULT! They both have a meaning like no other name on the face of this earth as far as a PEOPLES NAME is concerned. Just try and get this meaning out of any of the names of insult and shame that are listed above. You can't do it! The christians will hate the JEWS as long as they stay JEWS in their own minds! You see they are not JEWS and never have been JEWS, the only trouble is they don't seem to know this themselves. They are Hebrews of the tribe of YAHUWDAH, they are collectively YAHUWDIM,which one day will be joined again to the other tribes collectivly known as YISRAEL This Name(YAHUWDAH) means PRAISER OF YHW! Well guess what the JEWS DON'T praise YHW. They praise ADONIA and Ha SHEM! and I am sorry to say the so-called star of david. They make the very book(Torah)that they say obey mean nothing, by their TRADITIONS and to top it all off Traditions that are not even their own. I don't hate JEWS ,but I do feel sorry for them. It's SAD,really sad. Remember until THEY say; "BLESSED IS HE THAT COMES IN THE NAME OF YHWH! WE WILL NOT SEE OUR MESSIAH AND SAVIOR AGAIN. Shalom IP: Logged
Thummim Posts: 76 Registered: Sep 1999	posted 10-24-1999 10:52 AM Shalom Don, The term "The JEWs" that I was quoting is from various english translations of the "New Testement". It is used in establishing the negative roll assigned to many of the Yahudeem (if not all), in the NT. The "JEWs" do this, and the "JEWs" do that. The important thing is to see the roll that most of Yahudeem are assigned in the NT. I think that what Yahudeem call themselves has something to do with which language they're speaking. Most of us have differant versions of our names in the many differant languages that exist. I also think that what matters is that we don't offend people in what we call them. Going back to the roots of our names, and attaching all to their parent languages would be an interesting experiment. I think that teaching people the name of YHWH comes from the name of YHW(d)H would be a good starting place. It would sure make it hard to take the tanakh away from its owners with the peoples name attached to their (Yah). A thief hates to find the owners name on what he has stolen. IP: Logged
Don unregistered	posted 10-24-1999 02:51 PM Shalom Thummim I find it a little troubling myself. Just remember what you read in the NT is from a Greek translation. Some of the wording,does bother me. It almost seems to me that YAHUWDIM has been reinvented and redefined and called by a name of shame for a reason,whither it is a just one or not. I think you'll find that it was the evil men,the leaders and unrigthous teachers,that where condemed. Maybe these guy's should rightly be called JEWS! Where the people themselves are YAHUWDIM! I certainly feel that peoples heart is in the right place and just like everyone else Christians included,they are lied to by their leaders. You know the Scriptures do say something about THE WHOLE WORLD BEING DECIEVED. I think RELIGION has played a very important role in this,and more importantly the men behind the RELIGIONS (the Leaders) are responible for the deception. And it doesn't matter if it's the Christian RELIGION or the JEWISH RELIGION-----their both RELIGIONS,and for the most part run by evil and corrupt men. What bothers me also is I see an attempt by some to blend both togather and say this is the TRUE RELIGION. If you take horse dung and some cow dung and mix them togather,you still have dung! I can't seem to find in the scriptures a thing called religion. This concept seems to be totally missing in the scriptures. The way I understand it it's called the faith,the WAY, the TRUTH etc. and it's an all consuming way of life,in every aspect of your life every day,every night year end year out,it never stops. RELIGION is some stupid little game people play once or twice a week, they go to listen to the preacher or Rabbi tell'em what they want to hear and give the merchant preacher or Rabbi their weekly cut or pay off and go home and forget about it until next week. Hey ,who am I to knock it ,right! After all they both go home happy! The people get their FIX and the Pusher man goes home richer. Personally I think it's pretty DISCUSSTING! Shalom P.S. What do you think about all those good people who don't have a clue about the surrogate names? IP: Logged
Thummim Posts: 76 Registered: Sep 1999	posted 10-24-1999 03:40 PM As long as I call people by the names they're comfortable with, I don't think I'll run into any problems. However, if I begin to accuse people by those names, that's were the real problems arise. I remember a certain boxer who changed his name. Calling him by the name of his choice would be my way. Yet those who didn't hold him in esteem wouldn't let him forget the name he began life with. IP: Logged
Don unregistered	posted 10-25-1999 05:33 AM Shalom Thummim That is interesting! Like callling someone a Christian (i.e. cretin), or a Jew (i.e. a by word),perhaps,or calling the Messiah by the Greek/Latin name/s that equate to "a contemptible pig"?! I am not sure I agree with you,Bro. If you call someone a Christian---just what are you accusing them of, and then again are you accusing them personally anything or the name they go by? Is it an insult or an honor? To one, it maybe an honor,to another, it maybe an insult! I would think it would depend on just what you believe the word CHRISTIAN means. When the Latin's said it(CHRISTIANUS)they meant it as an insult, like calling someone a "STUPID BEAST" or a "STUPID PERSON" i.e. an "IDIOT". (LOOK UP THE WORD cretin) When the catholic's gave YAHUWDIM the name JEW in the middle ages in Europe,somehow or another,believe it or not,it was an INSULT! Has the intent of these names changed? Or have the meanings of the intent just been redefined, to mean something else to those that are ignorant of the real meaning and intent? Is the pig names that have been given to the Messiah any different?! Do you or I really dare to look someone in the eye and say to them that J.e..s.u.s saved me? Better yet in that LAST DAY do you or I really dare look the Messiah in the eye and call HIM J.e.s.u.s.to HIS FACE? Truly MAY YHWH have MERCY on us ALL! IP: Logged
Thummim Posts: 76 Registered: Sep 1999	posted 10-25-1999 10:46 AM First(jesus) by any name isn't my savior. When he figures out how to be redeemer of his own people and to secure their blessing, I'll put in my application. If your implying that I call Yahudeem "pigs" or any other derogatory term, Your very wrong. To me Yahudeem and YHWH share the same name. If I have offended any of these people by anything I've called them, I will switch to whatever name they ask to be called and apologise to them. Ditto with christianity. These people usually call themselves "christians". If I begin calling them something else, I'm more apt to be caught offending them. I've even made the effort to keep from offending you. I'll redouble my effort. IP: Logged
Don unregistered	posted 10-26-1999 08:45 AM Shalom Thummim I am Glad to hear that j.e.S.U.S. isn't your savior,bro. IT and I do mean IT,ain't mine either! Where did you get the idea that I was implying that you called YAHUWDIM pigs or any other derogatory term? What I am saying is the word/name "JEW"(scripturally a byword) is a derogatory term,given to YAHUWDIM by the Catholic's and this is a a fact of history. ------ Quote; To me YAHUWDIM and YHWH share the same name. --------------------------- I CONCUR,BRO.! It's real hard to miss YHW part, in the Name,YAHUWDIM. Although there has been a self-proclaimed rabbi that has not so long ago claimed it's not,- --- right here on this forum. It really amazes me just how much RELIGION can Blind a MAN to the simple truth. Collectively I believe THE SCRIPTURAL NAME IS YAHUWDIM and this means"PRAISERS OF YHW". Personally I find it very refreshing and uplifting to see that there is someone that understands the importants of the this Name YAHUWDIM and it's relationship to the creators NAME YHWH. I don't understand how anyone can miss this fact. ----------- PLEASE DON'T WORRY ABOUT OFFENDING ME! I am a big boy now and for the most part,peoples opinions DON'T BOTHER ME IN THE LEST! What bother me is when peoples opinions are taken as fact over the WORD of YHWH. THAT BOTHERS ME! You haven't OFFENED me in anyway,nor do I think you would try. So make no extra effort on your part in this regard,please. Speak your mind and speak the truth! Your not going to hurt my feelings. You don't have to flower up anything you say to me, ---- be direct! Thummim your a grown man and so am I, do we really need all the silly emotionalism?! Isn't that really for women and children? ------------ EMOTIONALISM and the TRADITONS of MEN are the TWO biggist robbers of the TRUTH and FACT ---- that exist. IP: Logged
Thummim Posts: 76 Registered: Sep 1999	posted 10-26-1999 09:29 AM It's become apparent to me that our beliefs are very simular. Though I don't have any conflicts with calling people anything as long as it doesn't offend them, I do very much prefer the name Yahudah to JEW most times simply because you can see the YHWH in the name when it is writtin so. Linking these names gives back Yahudah's part in their book. I love being able to put the owners name back on the tanakh. A good name is indeed precious ointment. Through his name YHWH can pick up his people and put their name back into the heights of the heavens where it belongs. The fate of a peoples name is closely tied to their fate. The name of YHWH is a strong tower into which the righteous Yahudeem can take shelter and be safe. So shall they link my name to the people of Israel and I will bless them.Nu.6:27. I wish that the blessings of Yahudeem concluded with this verse. When I say it, It always does. IP: Logged
TrustInYHWH Posts: 322 Registered:	posted 10-26-1999 12:23 PM So what I'm hearing is that The Church (as it were all the religious leaders, scribes, etc...) who translated/transliterated the Hebrew and Greek scriptures (in essence) did not in fact believe in the Messiah themselves. It was all just for us; their hearts were as evil and black as coal. So to satisfy their evil, rotten souls they changed the name of our Messiah to a name that means Hey Pig!! A contemptible person. All this disguised as an attempt to convert the pagan babarians of Europe, Asia, and Africa by calling him by the name of a pagan god. These tricky Church gangsters both satisfied their lustful hate for the Messiah and tricked the pagans into doing so too. My, my those evil contemptible rotten devils have run the church for thousands of years spreading their hate for the Messiah all over the world. And just think how stupid I was to believe that they had merely changed the name into other languages, resulting in the loss of its original meaning (Yah is salvation). I was tricked by a complex, diabolical scheme planned over many years and supported by thousands of knowing accomplices. IP: Logged
Don unregistered	posted 10-26-1999 02:04 PM Shalom Trust in YHWH Oh My, is that what your hearing? IP: Logged
Don unregistered	posted 10-27-1999 03:39 AM Shalom bro. Thummim I concur! If only the people that are called by His Name could grasp the real meaning behind the Name YAHUWDAH. It will be a great day on this earth when this happens. Thummim why is it do you think, that folks don't seem to understand this simple TRUTH? IP: Logged

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