The ISR states that it favoured the rendering of the Father's Name as YAHUWEH (pronounced with the accent on the "U"). Apparently the Assyrians transcribed the Name as YA-U-A. Some scholars prefer YEHOWAH because that is the way the Massoretes vowel-pointed the Name - (with a note stating: "whether the vowel-pointing of the Name was done in truth, or whether it was done to disguise the Name, in accordance with the instruction in the Mishnaic text of Tamid vii.2 (=Sota vii.6), we do not know for certain"). Many others prefer the rendering YAHWEH.

After lengthy deliberation, and to avoid controversy, the ISR decided to print the Name in the Hebrew charecters (Yod-Hey-Vav-Hay). Likewise, they printed the Son's Name in Hebrew charecters too.

There is so much debate on this subject of the correct pronunciation of the Names of the Father, and of the Son, that I think many believers worry about this and we all want to be sure they we are pronouncing the Names properly; and that's most probably why this subject crops up so regularly.

It is clear that there are many different ways of pronouncing the Names, so perhaps its best not to make argument over minor differences in pronunciation. It is more important that people attempt to use the Set Apart Names of the Father and the Son as best they are convicted, than that everyone all pronounce the Names the same way - but keeping in mind at all times that whenever the Name of the Father and the Son are pronounced, these should ALWAYS be spoken with the utmost respect and reverence, as Elohim seeks the magnification of His Name.

What we do know for cetain is that there are many names / impersonal titles that are definately NOT the names of the Father, and of the Son! Indeed, there are some names in common use today that have proven pagan origins, and which are therefore not acceptable as pronunciations of the Set Apart Names (or titles) of the Father, and of the Son.

Among these are 'Jehovah' (i.e. no "J" sound in Hebrew); 'God', 'the Lord', 'the Lord God', 'Jesus', 'Christ', all of which are not legitimate pronunciations or transliterations of the Hebrew YHWH (and are actually derived from pagan / hellenic sun-worship and idolatry).

As an ex-Christian, it took me a very long time (3 years) to get out of using the titles God, Jesus, the Lord. Psalms, Scriptures and the words of the Son were learnt and memorized from childhood using the KJV text. However, praise Elohim! now I can't bring myself to even refer to the Father as 'God' or 'the Lord', nor the Son as 'Jesus', 'Christ' or 'the Lord'.

It is difficult even now - you get comfortable with saying YAHWEH and YAHUSHUA, then you read something that says the Names should be pronounced with an "OO" sound or an "AH" sound and it is quite off putting.

In their posts, people write the Names of the Father and the Son differently - which again brings up the doubt in the back of our minds.

As replies to the original post have quite rightly stated, today, we can be very sure what are NOT the names / titles of the Father, and the Son, which Christianity has so wilfully replaced in the KJV and 'modern bible versions' of the Scriptural text; and has engrained these erronesous names and impersonal titles deeply into the minds of the Western (Gentile) church.

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- Samuel
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Originally posted by hisbeatnik:
[B]I thought the only thing we could be sure of was the Consonants Yod Heh Vav Heh; the vowels were not included so we really don't know for sure what the pronounciation for sure would be beyond that...

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The signpost to the Truth - I get it,
we need to go work it out for ourselves...

So that, my beloved, as you always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much rather in my absence – WORK OUT YOUR OWN DELIVERANCE WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING, for it is Elohim who is working in you both to desire and to work for His good pleasure. Do all matters without grumblings and disputings, in order that you be blameless and faultless, children of Elohim without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding on to the Word of life... (Philippians 2:12-16).

"We were meant to live"

Fumbling his confidence
And wondering why the world has passed him by
Hoping that he's bent for more than arguments
And failed attempts to fly, fly
We were meant to live for so much more
Have we lost ourselves?
Somewhere we live inside...
Dreaming about Providence
And whether mice or men have second tries
Maybe we've been livin with our eyes half open
Maybe we're bent and broken, broken
We want more than this world's got to offer
We want more than the wars of our fathers
And everything inside screams for second life, yeah
We were meant to live for so much more
Have we lost ourselves?
We were meant to live...

One Moslem king to rule them all,
One false prophet to blind them;
One book of lies to bring them all,
And in the darkness bind them!

"Because they have committed villainy in Israel...
and have spoken lying words in my name,
which I have not commanded them." (Jeremiah 29).

;o) From a fellow pre-hippie...

tho' the go-tee's getting a few grey ones these days bro.

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- Samuel
hisbeatnik@hotmail.com
http://www.beggarsbread.info
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re:
"Can you direct me to a reference that clearly states those letters cannot be pronounced as vowels unless in conjunction with consonants? Also, is it possible that those four letters must be used in conjunction with consonants in modern Hebrew or in Hebrew which contains vowel points, but that that was not the case in Josephus' day and earlier?"

i just wanted to let you know that i hadn't forgot about you or brushed you off.

i'm still trying to find something that backs up what i had mentioned. i've been picking through Gesenius' Grammar, but have yet to stumble across it. anyhow, i'll let you know what i find.