Please shed some light on the following: In the explanation and detail of how Yahushua is derived from the Hebrew "Yod-Hay-Waw-Shin-Ayin", the Father's name is derived from "Yod-Hay-Waw-Hay". We can already see that both names start with "Yahu". It would therefore follow that the Father's name is Yahu-ah (the 2nd hay being the "ah"). Where does Yahweh come from? The reason for my question is because when you speak to believers who are still calling him "God or LORD", which name do you say is correct? It doesn't sit well when as Messianic believers we aren't quite sure ourselves. I would appreciate some input in this regard.

I went to this website and looked around it. It looks to have a lot of information. I can see where I'm going to have to get more paper and more ink.

Thank you for posting it.

May Yahweh Bless,

I questioned some Yemeni Yahoo'dim in Florida about the name of Yahoo'shooa and they pronounced it Yahoo'shooa when I spelled it for them in Hebrew characters yod hay oao/uau shin ayin and yod hay oao shin oao ayin.

Yahoo'dah/Judah is pronounced Yehoo'dah or if we restored the ancient pronunciation Yahoo'dah.

So if you look up other Hebrew words with the oao in them you will find that the oo or u pronunciation is correct. I have been using the oo to show the emphasis on the accent on the uau/oao rather than on the yod hay.

Yahoo'ah or Yahu'ah I believe is the most correct. This is what the Holy Spirit showed me when I first became a believer in using the name of Yahoo'ah around 1989but I thought older believers in the Name who I discerned the Holy Spirit in used Yahweh or Yahwah, so I was swayed by their example.

The other day I was talking to one of my friends who knows lots more Hebrew than I do and he told me the name according to Yemeni pronunciation would be Yahoo'ah with the three sylable subtitutions of Adonai and Elohim they used to replace the name in Hebrew text and in the Psalms which are the songs of anciant Israel. In playing music it would be hard to put three sylables in where only two existed so I believe this is one proof for the three sylables. Something I read from the J Witnesses also gave good reasons why the two sylable pronunciation would not be correct.

This same friend pointed out that Ha Shem which many Orthodox Jews usae to replace the name has only two sylables and Yahwah would be most correct in the Yemeni pronunciation if it had only two sylables. I don't think this is correct though since they use Adonai and Elohim when replacing the name of Yahoo'ah in Scriptures.

These may not be complex scholarly reasonings but this is what I have come to the conclusion of after many years of wrestling with this issue. I spell it Yahoo'ah and Yahoo'shooa to emphasis the accent on the uau/oao and find nothing wrong with using the u.

Isn't it interesting that people know how to say Yahoo and add an ah they have the Name of our Creator?

Go to:http://www.freewebs.com/seekyhuh1st/yahuahyahuahshayahushayah.htm to see some articles on the study.

THE FATHER YAHUAH
EFEI = YHUH = YAHUAH
Great Heavenly Father’s Name Made Simple

HIS NAME PRESERVED IN COMMON NAMES AND WORDS

The Almighty didn’t leave His Name in the hands of the scholars and mighty of the earth, He chose the common things and people as the caretakers of His Name. His Name is hard to find, only because we all look in the wrong places. But if we look in the correct places for His Name, is almost as easy as falling off a log. He preserved His Name in the common sayings and in the common names of His people. They are the people of His Name really and truly and completely.

So let’s go seeking for the great Name efei of the Creator!

Hebrew characters will be presented IN REVERSE ORDER (for instructional purposes) at times.

efei The yud and heh, the first two letters of the great Name

FIRST TWO LETTERS OF HIS NAME are A SNAP! He put a word in almost every language on earth, and that word every where is pronounced very closely to the Hebrew, and it tells you the sound of the first two letters of the Great Name and it is “Halleluyah”.

eiflle Halleluyah consist of two parts, (flle) “Hallelu” and (ei) “Yah” as in efei. The (flle) “Hallelu” means “Praise You” and the (ei) “YAH” is the one You are to be praising. So the first part of the Great Name is YAH. that is an ee and ah said together.

i > e “ee” > “ah” said together is Yah

efei THE VAV/UAU PART OF EFEI

THE SOUND OF THE THIRD LETTER- Just as halleluyah ends in the first tow letters of the great name, even so there are many of the names of prophets and people in the scriptures that end in the great Name, many end with the first three letters of the great Name. Such as:

feimri Yireyahu the vav f being said as “oo” in tooth (Jeremiah)

feiowi ishayahu (Esha Yahoo) Isaiah

So we have as an ending common to Hebrew names, which are the first three letters of the Great Name fei, and they are pronounced yahoo/yahu

i > e > f thus ee > ah > oo > and thus yahoo/yahu

This is confirmed in modern Hebrew also as the recent Premier of Israel was a fellow named Benyamin Natanyahu. The tern Yahoo, rather than a bad thing or a joke as Satan’s world tries to make it, is the first part of the greatest name in the universe, a name of greatness, kindness, duty and honor.

SO FAR WE HAVE THE FIRST THREE LETTERS OF THE GREAT NAME: EFEI The tree are ee-ah-oo, and said together is Yahu

efei-”HEH” THE FOURTH LETTER IS EASY TOO

The world says it has to be an eh or Ay as in Yahweh to make it a masculine name, Horse Feathers. Yahudah was a man and he founded a tribe of Israel. He was a man and his name ended in a heh and it was pronounced as an “AH” as in Joshua! So the use of the pronunciation of the Heh, as an “ah” sound, in the Great Heavenly Fathers Name is still a viable option.

The name of the Hebrew letter “D” / d is dalet. Dalet in Hebrew means door. The door thru which the great Meshia came was the tribe of edfei/Yahudah, a people that walked in and that were called by His Greast Name. The name of this tribe is also the door to understanding the vocalization of the great name, the name YAHUDAH is the great name with a Dalet or letter “D” added between the third and fourth letters! Has it sunk in yet? Let me show you.

Yahudah is the great name with a Dalet or letter “D” added between the third and fourth letters! YAHUDAH minus the dalet or D is YAHU > AH is YAHUAH (ee-ah-oo’-ah)

edfei YAHUDAH (ee ah oo d ah)

e fei YAHU AH (ee ah oo ah)

e ah)

efei YAHUAH (ee ah oo ah)

http://www.yahuahreigns.com/Names.html

Shalom,

First, there are a number of strange words you used in your post, that would be helpful if you explained their meaning and usage:

"EFEI, efei, eiflle, flle, feimri, feiowi".

Especially confusing is the appearance of the letter "f". Was this perhaps some unusual font that just didn't transliterate properly? The following sentences don't make a lot of sense:

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(ei) “Yah” as in efei. The (flle) “Hallelu” means “Praise You” and the (ei) “YAH” is the one You are to be praising. So the first part of the Great Name is YAH. that is an ee and ah said together.
efei THE VAV/UAU PART OF EFEI
feimri Yireyahu the vav f being said as “oo” in tooth (Jeremiah)
feiowi ishayahu (Esha Yahoo) Isaiah
i > e > f thus ee > ah > oo > and thus yahoo/yahu
efei-”HEH” THE FOURTH LETTER IS EASY TOO
edfei YAHUDAH (ee ah oo d ah)
e fei YAHU AH (ee ah oo ah)
e ah)
efei YAHUAH (ee ah oo ah)

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Yahudah is the great name with a Dalet or letter “D” added between the third and fourth letters! YAHUDAH minus the dalet or D is YAHU > AH is YAHUAH (ee-ah-oo’-ah)

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What bothers me about the SPELLING of "YAHUAH" is that it is phonetically ambiguous, and i'm not even sure that all those who use that spelling actually pronounce it the same way. In other words,
Is it "ee-ah-Hoo'-ah" or
Is it "ee-ah-oo'-ah" or
Is it "ee-ah'-Hoo-ah" or
Is it "ee-ah'-oo-ah" or
Is it something else?

Note that "ee-ah'oo-ah" is equivalent to "Yah'wah".
Also note that having an "H" before the "oo" of the 3rd syllable is ADDing a consonant to a word that Josephus says "consists of FOUR VOWELS".

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Originally posted by scriptures:
I am using Yehowah for El Shaddai and Yehoshua (sometimes Yeshua) for the son of Elohim. They are the only one back up by Hebrew scriptures.

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The above statement should include WHICH scriptures back it up; otherwise it isn't much help.

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Originally posted by KittyCat:

P.S. Doesn't anyone have any trust for Yahweh? I'm not talking about blind faith, I'm talking about "trust." Look it up. If Yahweh personally says that you and I will know his name, do you think that he'd allow mankind to forget it and not be able to find it out? I'm just floored with the fact that no one thinks about this. Yahweh is in control. He gave the sabbath day, allowed it not to be forgotten, why do you think he'd allow mankind to not be able to find out what his name is when it's important to the 3rd commandment as well as salvation?

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Shalom KittyCat~

You seem to indicate that His Name has been preserved and that the Sabbath never forgotten; so could you please explain these verses?:

Lam. 2:6
6 He has demolished His booth like a garden, He has destroyed His place of Meeting. Yahuah has made the appointed times and Sabbaths To be forgotten in Tsiyon.

YeshaYahu 1:13-14:
13 “Stop bringing futile offerings, incense, it is an abomination to Me. New Moons, Sabbaths, the calling of meetings – I am unable to bear unrighteousness and assembly. 14 “My being hates your New Moons and your appointed times, they are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.

YirmeYahu 23:26-27:
26 “Till when shall it be in the heart of the prophets? – the prophets of falsehood and prophets of the deceit of their own heart, 27 who try to make My people forget My Name by their dreams which everyone relates to his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My Name for Ba'al.

YeshaYahu 52:5-6
5 “And now, what have I here,” declares Yahuah, “that My people are taken away for naught? Those who rule over them make them wail,” declares Yahuah, “and My Name is despised all day continually. 6 “Therefore My people shall know My Name , in that day, for I am the One who is speaking. See, it is I.

YirmeYahu 16:19-21:
19 O Yahuah, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.” 20 Would a man make mighty ones for himself, which are not mighty ones? “Therefore see, I am causing them to know, this time I cause them to know My hand and My might. And they shall know that My Name is Yahuah!"'

Chayil Ishshah

First off, I should say I do believe the followers of the Holy One should be attempting to seek after the Father in all things, and doing your best to know what His Name *isn’t* is significant.

But I don’t know that we are able to actually 100% come up with the true pronunciation of His Name.

The whole “Dalet” in Yehudah being the “door” to His Name sounds all great and groovy, but even a cursory understanding of how Hebrew functions yields the realization that that particular means of identification really holds no water. Great analogy, for sure, but nothing more than that.

I also see the problems with the two-syllable YAHWEH version. Why would the scribes vowel-point a three-syllable ADONAI into a two-syllable word, if that were truly the case? Seems like they were masking the syllables, which would indeed give a three-syllable pronunciation. This would lend credence to the following version, but it is also not without problems:

YAHUAH seems like a good take, as well, but then there is the issue of the *ancient pronunciation* of JEHU’s name, being Yahua, which would basically be the same phonetically. I see a MAJOR problem there. I highly doubt a prophet and a king would have the same name as the Holy One of Yisra’El. This is just opinion, of course, but am I crazy to doubt that possibility?

Going back to the scribes who vowel-pointed the Name, one also has to wonder why they did not resort to any sort of consistency in that method, as we have human names appearing with the suffix and/or prefix of Yeho, Yahu, Yehu, which causes even more problems to a quizzical mind. If the “tri-grammaton” is indeed pronounced ONLY ONE WAY, then why would they employ the use of three different pronunciations when it appears in names?

Could the exact pronunciation of the Name be more fluid than we are allowing? Are we missing the point? We see the Name the Father gives Mosheh in the desert, the “Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh”, which seems almost assuredly to be a melding of the three words of “I was”, “I Am”, and “I Will Be”, so is that meant to be understood as pronounced differently at different times?

I wonder, I’m not sure -- just offering some thoughts on the subject.

Messiah returns with a Name that no man knows. That could be taken to be His Name, or the Father’s. either way, it shows that restoration is in the plans for us.

Until then, it seems that our best guesses remain our best guesses. I have had to shelf the seeking of the Name issue for now, because as I really started learning Hebrew, the arguments for one over another seemed to fall apart.

Strange, how the closer I got to the native tongue, the less certain I became of the actual pronunciation….

I suppose the Father wants us to ultimately focus on the things that affect the transformation of our lives and the lives of those in need of Him, and not pour all our time and energy into something that, in the end, really is debatable.

My two sheqels,