I would really appreciate your clarification on this matter.
Shalom

BTW, can someone explain to me the censorship program on this site. It won't let me spell many words that are in the Scripture. Such as just now, I had to use the the mistakenly instead of a c c i d e n t a l l y. What's wrong with that word?

It worked for me! Shalom, duane

Women remain amongst the set-apart during their menstruation, which is true but Lev 15:2 states, “When any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean.” So this pertains not just to women but to anyone who has a discharge from any part of their body then they are expelled from the camp.

Nu 5:2 Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:

Why must they be removed from the camp? So “that they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell” (vs 3). Read this next verse.

Nu 19:13 Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of Yahweh; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness [is] yet upon him.

Anyone unclean “defileth the tabernacle of Yahweh” which of course was in the middle of the camp and as Yahweh said above in Nu 5:3 “in the midst whereof I dwell.” Anyone unclean defiles the camp, thus the tabernacle and thus Yahweh Himself, because He dwells in the tabernacle. Now look at this passage.

De 23: 12 Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad: 13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: 14 For Yahweh thy Elohim walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee.

They had no outhouses or toilets to use so they were told to designate a place outside the camp where they would bury their human waste. But what is most interesting about this passage is what Yahweh says He does, He “walketh in the midst of thy camp, therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee.”

Now then the camp in time was fixed in one place, the city of Jerusalem, with the tabernacle becoming Yahweh’s permanent home in the temple. Many questions now come up that are very difficult to answer. Did the laws in Lev 15 pertain to those outside the camp or outside Jerusalem or only when they were residing there? We see in Numbers chapter 9 where Moses inquired of Yahweh what to do about some men who were unclean at the time of the Passover. Yahweh told them if anyone is at that time unclean “or be in a journey afar off” they could keep the Passover the following month. But look at what He adds.

Nu 9:13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.

It appears there are two excuses for not keeping the Passover, being unclean or being away from Jerusalem, in both cases the individual would not “bear his sin.” So would Lev 15 also apply while away from the camp? Why I am asking is because most of us are outside the camp of Jerusalem. If being unclean in the camp “defileth the tabernacle of Yahweh” is it possible to do this while not in the camp? My answer would be no, because they were put outside the camp for that very reason.

Please look at this passage in Hebrews.

He 13: 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. 10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. 11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. 12 Wherefore Yahshua also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. 14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. 15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to Elohim continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. 16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices Elohim is well pleased.

Here is what I garner from it. Verse 9) Grace is better then meat sacrifices that have not helped the Jews. 10) Our altar, Messiah’s in Heaven, has no benefit to those who refuse to believe. 11) The bodies of the sin sacrifices were consumed outside the camp. 12) So also Messiah, for his blood was brought into the Heavenly sanctuary. 13) We are then to leave the camp and the earthly tabernacle behind. 14) Our home is not Jerusalem or here on earth. 15) We must worship in spirit and in truth through praise. 16) Worship is the true sacrifice that pleases Yahweh.

Worship and praise now replaces animal sacrifices (He 10:8; 1Pe 2:5 Ps 40:6, 69:31). We no longer are confined to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem but are able to worship Yahweh anywhere on earth, “Yahshua saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father” (Joh 4:21).

He 9: 23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Messiah is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of Elohim for us:

The danger of any believer to “defileth the tabernacle of Yahweh” is past for the tabernacle is in heaven and we could now say all the earth is outside the camp of heaven.

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Yahshua Messiah once for all.

We are sanctified by Yahshua’s blood once and forever. In 1Co 6:11 Paul says “But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified.” He says in Ep 5: 26-27 that we, the assembly, is “sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”

If we are holy and without blemish we must be clean.

He 9:13-14 states if the blood of animals made them fleshly clean in the OT how much more must the blood of Messiah make us still cleaner.

He 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Yahshua, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of Elohim; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

We are so clean in fact we can, like the high priest did once a year, enter into the Holy of Holies. By a new way, a new door, not through the curtain in the temple but through the door of Yahshua’s body. Through faith our bodies are “washed with pure water.” Now what is this pure water, does it make us clean from the sins of Lev 15? How can we stay clean if we are daily rubbing shoulders with the world?

1Co 5:9-10 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men; not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.

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Originally posted by NewSeeker:
Shalom everyone
I would like some clarification as pertaining Leviticus 15:16-30 concerning an unclean woman (what I take to mean a woman in her monthly menstrual period).
My questions are:
1.In this day in age how are we supposed to treat a woman who is menstruating since the Scriptures say she is unclean and any man who touches her he also becomes unclean?
2.What does it mean she is unclean?
3.What does it mean that if a man touches her he also becomes unclean (until evening or for 7 days should he sleep with her (I presume sexually)).
4.Can I sleep in the same bed as my wife if she is menstruating?
5.If my female friends are menstruating how can I know that they are if they don’t say so (which they most probably wont say), so that I can avoiding touching them?(Assuming that touching then is forbidden when they are menstruating)?
6.Can a menstruating woman prepare meals?
7.In verse 29 is says on the 8th day she must take 2 turtledoves or 2 young pigeons to the priest for a sin offering. Thereafter, I presume she will be clean. How can this be done today without the temple and the priesthood?

I would really appreciate your clarification on this matter.
Shalom

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Shalom, I am going to answer your question by number.

1.) Today, one still needs to follow the Laws of Yahweh, but because of Yeshua, the Laws have a slightly different understanding. I will explain further down.

2.) When the Scriptures say the woman is unclean, it means she is ceremonially unclean. She is ridding herself of blood..the blood she is ridding herself of is what makes her unclean..in other words impure. The Torah uses the word "Niddah". Here's the definition

BDB Definition:
niddâh
1) impurity, filthiness, menstruous, set apart
1a) impurity
1a1) of ceremonial impurity
1a2) of menstruation
1b) impure thing (figuratively)
1b1) of idolatry, immorality
Part of Speech: noun feminine

Here is the JFB commentary on that:

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Lev_15:19-33. Uncleanness of women.
if a woman have an issue — Though this, like the leprosy, might be a natural affection, it was anciently considered contagious and entailed a ceremonial defilement which typified a moral impurity. This ceremonial defilement had to be removed by an appointed method of ceremonial expiation, and the neglect of it subjected any one to the guilt of defiling the tabernacle, and to death as the penalty of profane temerity.

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3.) Here you are referring to Lev 15:19 specifically it says :

Lev 15:19 And if a woman's issue in her flesh is a flow of blood, she shall be in her impurity seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening.

So we can see that a woman during her menstral cycle is not clean for seven days (one week). And if someone touches her, they are unclean until the evening.

But then if you go down to Lev 15:24, we see this:

Lev 15:24 And if any man lie with her, and her impurity be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.

This means if a man gets the menustration on him by lying with her, he too will be then be unclean for 7 days and every bed he lays on will be considered unclean as well. Once the blood touches the man, he takes on the same impurity that the woman has with her because of her menustration.

I am not so sure this actually means sexually, because as you will see Yahweh forbids sexual relations during a woman's menstral cycle anyway. And Israel would have been aware of this fact and the grave consequences of committing that act. So I am thinking this is referring to just laying in the same bed as a menustrating woman and if some how the blood was to get on the man.

4.) You ask can you sleep in the same bed with your wife. I would have to say yes, but if her menustration gets on you.. then you will be unclean for 7 days (Lev. 15:24) and if you touch her you will be unclean til the evening (Lev 15:19.

You cannot have sex with your wife during this time:

Lev 18:19 You are not to approach a woman in order to have sexual relations with her when she is unclean from her time of her menstral impurity.

Lev 20:18 If a man goes to bed with a woman in her menstrual period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her blood, and she has exposed the source of her blood; both of them are to be cut off from their people.

In many Jewish households, the husband and wife have separate beds for that time.. Twin beds. That way no risks will be involved. No impurity will get on the man whatsoever.. not even a risk of it occurring.

5.) Good question. The only thing I could say is that you simply will be unclean until the evening all the time because you won't ever know if a woman is having her time or not... if you solely look at if from that perspective.. but I will explain how Yeshua plays a part in all this further down.

6.) I have never seen any command in the Bible against a woman preparing meals while she is in her impurity. Of course, a suggestion would be that she is EXTRA clean with everything she touches so as not to defile the meal in any way. And if it's that much of a concern, latex gloves work.

7.) Now here is the question I have been wanting to get to:
Lev 15:29 And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtle-doves, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tent of meeting.
Lev 15:30 And the priest shall offer the one for a sin-offering, and the other for a burnt-offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her before Yahweh for the issue of her uncleanness.
Lev 15:31 Thus shall ye separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness; that they die not in their uncleanness, when they defile My tabernacle that is in the midst of them.

Read this commentary from JFB and I will explain my own perspective:

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Lev 15:31-33 -
Thus shall ye separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness — The divine wisdom was manifested in inspiring the Israelites with a profound reverence for holy things; and nothing was more suited to this purpose than to debar from the tabernacle all who were polluted by any kind of uncleanness, ceremonial as well as natural, mental as well as physical. The better to mark out that people as His family, His servants and priests, dwelling in the camp as in a holy place, consecrated by His presence and His tabernacle, He required of them complete purity, and did not allow them to come before Him when defiled, even by involuntary or secret impurities, as a want of respect due to His majesty.

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Okay.. now on to Yeshua. Yeshua died for the remission of sins, and as I am sure you know that many Christians believe that when Yeshua died that Law was passed away..meaning ALL LAW.. moral, sacrificial, civil. But this is inaccurate. The only Law that was passed away when Yeshua died was SACRIFICIAL LAW. In other words, Laws that had to do with sacrifice for atonement sake, this does not mean if someone feels like sacrificing an animal to Yahweh now, they can't if they have the means, but it is to say there is no need for sacrifice for the sake of atonement.

Those laws were no longer needed because Yeshua MADE A ONCE AND FOR ALL ATONEMENT. So those issues concerning sacrificial law are no longer an issue. This in no way means that we can suddenly toss the commands of Yahweh away. We should still follow them but realize the sacrificial aspect is no longer an issue because Yeshua paid that atonement price once and for all. Hence why the woman no longer needs to bring the turtle doves and have the priest make a sin-offering for her uncleaness. Yeshua is the HIGH PRIEST. He already has this under control and made atonement when he died. When a woman has her cycle, she is still under obligation to do what Yahweh commanded in Leviticus and so is the man, but there is no longer a need to worry about it in the sense of being unclean in a ceremonial aspect.

DISCLAIMER This is my personal belief. It is no way meant to suggest I am 100% correct. It's just to say what my personal view point is of this subject and nothing more. IF I am in error in some way, I am open to correction with proof.

Shalom,
M

do you believe a woman can attend fellowship and read scripture during thier set apart time?

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Lev 15:24 And if any man lie with her, and her impurity be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.

This means if a man gets the menustration on him by lying with her, he too will be then be unclean for 7 days and every bed he lays on will be considered unclean as well. Once the blood touches the man, he takes on the same impurity that the woman has with her because of her menustration.

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4.) You ask can you sleep in the same bed with your wife. I would have to say yes, but if her menustration gets on you.. then you will be unclean for 7 days (Lev. 15:24) and if you touch her you will be unclean til the evening (Lev 15:19.

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If a man can make a bed unclean because he himself is unclean due to contact with a menstruating woman, how much more would the bed of the menstruating woman herself be unclean? I do not believe it is permissable to sleep in the same bed as a menstruating woman. Such a bed is unclean from the moment the woman lies upon it. The same would hold true for chairs that she sits upon.

I agree with the rest of your reply.

So the question is, why should I avoid becomming cerimonally unclean, and how can I accomplish this? Did Yahweh command us to not become unclean? Don't have sex with your wife when she is menstrating, yes. Don't eat unclean animals, yes. Don't touch an unclean person? We better walk around with our hands in our pockets!

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Originally posted by Stephen:
But then what does it mean to be unclean? If she can be unclean, why can't they both be unclean together? What's it hurting anything? We are all in a constant state of uncleanness anyway! Doesn't this only hinder us from appearing before Yahweh's throne? I don't see the arc of the covenant anywhere, or His temple? Yeah i know we are all His temple, but what does that mean? Does He leave us when we become unclean? Anyone here ever come in contact with a dead body? Have you washed with the ashes of a red heffer?

So the question is, why should I avoid becomming cerimonally unclean, and how can I accomplish this? Did Yahweh command us to not become unclean? Don't have sex with your wife when she is menstrating, yes. Don't eat unclean animals, yes. Don't touch an unclean person? We better walk around with our hands in our pockets!

Stephen

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Shalom Stephen,

this particular aspect is a tough one for each believer to come to terms with. i know that for some, they simply cannot sleep in another bed, etc., while their wife is menstruating. there is grace in certain situations, and the Father understands those.

we must simply be studious to be as obedient as we can, desiring to fulfill His Word in the most pure fashion that is available to us.

as for your question in the 2nd paragraph about touching the unclean -- here is a passage that might clarify it for you:

YeshaYahu (Isaiah) 52:11
"Turn aside! Turn aside! Come out from there, touch not the unclean. Come out of her midst, be clean, you who bear the vessels of YHWH."

is passage is quoted as well in:
2nd Corinthians 6:17- 7:1
"Therefore, 'Come out from among them and be separate,' says YHWH, 'and do not touch what is unclean, and I shall receive you. And I shall be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,' says YHWH the Almighty. Having, then, these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of the flesh and spirit, perfecting set-apartness in the fear of Elohim."

that passage is quoting the previous in the context of idol worship being what makes us unclean, but the original context still stands as well. notice how the last part of the passage tells us to cleanse ourselves from all defilements of the flesh and spirit. so there is definitely uncleanness which we should seek to stay away from.

earlier in the chapter, when Sha'ul was listing the areas in which they commend themselves, verse 6 says one of those ways is "in cleanness". so the laws of cleanliness still come into play in our lives today.

of course, when the text reads that we should "touch not the unclean" it doesn't mean that we cannot touch anything unclean, but in the ceremonially unclean sense, or as you said our hands would have to remain in our pockets. and that is not what is being implied, for numerous unclean animals were used by the Hebrews which did not impart uncleanliness to them. only those aspects listed in Scripture which could make one unclean were what is being referred to for us to "touch not".

the implementation of touching not the unclean in our lives today can be a difficult thing to do, if you did not grow up in an orthodox or Hasidic community. we just don't place the level of impurity upon such things as they are taught to do. the struggle exists for many believers, but we are each growing and maturing in our walks, and as long as we are sincerely seeking the will of the Father in doing His Word, then i don't think that the various aspects of or walk that have not been perfected just yet are going to be issues which He denies us over. but neither should we sit back and allow them to remain issues in our lives. sometimes these discussions are brought up by the sovereign hand of Yah to kickstart particular believers into the next level of set-apartness to Him.

so just be sensitive to the voice of the Spirit in your life, and makes sure you are doing your best to do His best!

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Originally posted by John Cordaro:
Missy wrote;

If a man can make a bed unclean because he himself is unclean due to contact with a menstruating woman, how much more would the bed of the menstruating woman herself be unclean? I do not believe it is permissable to sleep in the same bed as a menstruating woman. Such a bed is unclean from the moment the woman lies upon it. The same would hold true for chairs that she sits upon.

I agree with the rest of your reply.

Shalom,
John

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Originally posted by Stephen:
But then what does it mean to be unclean? If she can be unclean, why can't they both be unclean together? What's it hurting anything? We are all in a constant state of uncleanness anyway! Doesn't this only hinder us from appearing before Yahweh's throne? I don't see the arc of the covenant anywhere, or His temple? Yeah i know we are all His temple, but what does that mean? Does He leave us when we become unclean? Anyone here ever come in contact with a dead body? Have you washed with the ashes of a red heffer?

So the question is, why should I avoid becomming cerimonally unclean, and how can I accomplish this? Did Yahweh command us to not become unclean? Don't have sex with your wife when she is menstrating, yes. Don't eat unclean animals, yes. Don't touch an unclean person? We better walk around with our hands in our pockets!

Stephen

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LOL.. Well it really depends on one's definition of "unclean". Are we talking about physically unclean as in "soiled" or ceremonially unclean.. as in you can't go before Yahweh.

Frankly, Yeshua has taken care of the "unclean" ceremonial aspect of everything. If a woman takes care to make sure her bed is clean (clean linens), she showers well everyday like I hope ANY woman on her period would have common decency to do, and uses proper feminine products we have on the market today there is no reason to label her "unclean" simple because she's on her period. (Not saying you said any of this).

I mean not every man knows anyway when every lady is on her period, and frankly not every man needs to be all in her business that way anyway. I mean I am sure a man is not going to constantly be asking his daughter, female co workers, mother, and other female relatives and friends, "Are you on your period cause I don't want to touch you.. " I mean really... He'd get his face slapped on a daily basis.

A person could go to the store and accidently brush up against a woman on her period or sit in the same seat at a doctors office a woman on her period previously sat.. in some minds it could render a person "unclean". Well that means probably 99% of the time when you go out your door, you immediately become unclean.

So I definitely get your point about always walking around with our hands in our pockets.. we could even go further though..we better not sit down anywhere either.. LOL!

I mean you aren't always going to know.. and I don't think it's something to go balistic over since Yeshua eradicated the ceremonial issues when he died. And that was the whole point.. Yahweh didn't want any filth around his Temple and in the camp and so forth. But Yeshua has handled all that for us. At least that's my view..

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Originally posted by earthymamma:
Missy,

do you believe a woman can attend fellowship and read scripture during thier set apart time?

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Yes. Because Yeshua took care of ceremonial issues. But I do believe the woman should be well bathed and using proper products for that time.

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Originally posted by earthymamma:
thanks for getting back to me. this is an issue I deal with at the homefellowship I attend. One family believes it is NOT ok, so I don't go in respect for thier stance, I however do not feel the same as them and stay at home to study. I was looking for others postions.

Heather

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You are welcome. I would just like for you to understand that what I posted was MY OWN specific view of Scriptures and I in no way mean to influence you to do what I believe. I pray that Yahweh leads you to truth always but from your own understanding of the Scriptures.

Leviticus 15: 31Thus shall ye separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness; that they die not in their uncleanness, when they defile my tabernacle that is among them.

Leviticus 12:4 And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled.

Leviticus 21: 10And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes;
11Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
12Neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the anointing oil of his God is upon him: I am the LORD.

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