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WilliamJ

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posted 02-21-2004 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WilliamJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does one prove to a friend that the name of YHWH was removed from original scripture without being a linguist? In 134 places it is taught that the name of YHWH was removed and placed in there was adonia, or lord.

In the NIV preface it sais the name YHWH was translated to "the Lord"
So somone i have discussed this with recently sais it is Lord and i say no it comes into our language as YHWH, and he said im believeing in peoples sayings about it being removed from the septuagant.

He believes ardently in the NIV and seems to think my ISR copy is somwhat wicked? how does one help somone understand the way things have been twisted and hidden from so many? Or is somthing that YHWH will have to reviel to him?

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WilliamJ

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posted 02-21-2004 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WilliamJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also i would like to ask what the true meaning of El Shaddia is? does YHWH pick whom he will come to Love his name and his ruling in our messiah?

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wannabe

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posted 02-21-2004 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wannabe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I add my "two cents".
If there mind is blocked, it is blocked. Nothing you can do about it.

I read somewhere in the "bible" to talk it over twice and thats it.

As from my experiences, unless the Almighty lifts the veil, to whom He lifts it and to whom He grants certain understanding is all up to Him.

In public, if I come across somebody where history is brought up, I will start to speak what I was allowed to learn and usually the expression or the look in the eyes of the other persons face is a "sign" to me its time to change the subject.

I have an example I just experienced last night walking to my mail box, Two Mormon beleievers were going door to door when they spotted me, they fed the common line about "JC" So I politely told them "no thank you". Then they were persistant so I called on (in my mind) the name of the Almighty as to what He is allowing me to understand it to be, asking Him what to do. So I turned to the Mormons and started talking about the "origins" of names as well as the 'identity/meaning' names carried. When I started talking like that, they said "well, what if no one is a linguistic"? I told them I am not a linguidtic but judt someone who desireds to what is real and what is not and then I allow the Almighty to guide me.
The one person (there were two) had his eyes lifted in curioustiy while his partner awas grabbing him sayin they need to go the next appointment. But I wasn't finished talking (they were the ones that persisted first), so I shared a little more and then they finaslly left looking perplexed, then I said as they were leaving "trace back mormon" and "see" what and who you are honoring".

As far as 'El Shaddai', I can't throw two cents in on that one other than break down the title to find its true meaning such as where did "El" originate from and what does it mean and "Sh'da'ai, what do these mean individually to "sum up" the whole definition of this title.
And if you find out it refers to "another" mighty one, find out who stuck it there and why.

[This message has been edited by wannabe (edited 02-21-2004).]

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sabian

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posted 02-21-2004 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go to the studies on the name on this forum.
Also try www.ynca.com.

Also If you want to show someone the name of YAH in scripture go to this link.

http://www.equipministry.com/talkshop/messages/11609.html#11611

Then go to the link there.
This will load on your microsoft Word.

It is a list of scriptural names that contain the name YAH

This should be a big help to you.

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Yahwehwitnesses

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posted 02-21-2004 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yahwehwitnesses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom William,

I would share with him/her these to scriptures as a starter.

Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

What right does anybody have to remove his name from the inspired scriptures, and replace the most high name with other titles?

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be saved.

How can other call on his name when so many use handed down titles as replacement?

It's the meaning of his name that's most important to know. For his name confirms who he always was, and always will be.

What ever you do, share in Yahweh's loving spirit. Love is ultimate power. His spirit dwells in his children, and Yahweh is Love.

Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohanan

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WilliamJ

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posted 02-22-2004 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WilliamJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all, yes love is the way, without love we have nothing. I just have a pit in me because i want to share this revieling to him but i cant.
he is a good and righteous man, Do you all think People that live righteously will be saved too?

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Yahwehwitnesses

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posted 02-22-2004 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yahwehwitnesses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom William,

I forgot to mention prayer. Pray that Yahweh puts/sends the spirit of truth upon this man. Pray with others "especially with those who know him" and that are sincere, and in the name of Yahshua.

It's most important to understand that you are to leed him to Yahshua, so I would concentrate on sharing scriptures and/or teachings tha Yahshua shared.

As far as being saved I can't not possibly know what his outcome will be on the last day, nor am I a judge of anyones soul. What I can tell you is that Yahweh knows his heart and what he is thinking.

My Uncle "My Moms brother" was a very nice and loving man. He was good to all of us, however he was a bit stubborn in his days. He wasn't much of a church goer, but he did hear the Word often, and was a good listener. A few days before he died he was desperatly seeking the heavenly Father and through Yahshua. He was crying and was about as sincere as one can be. He gave up himself and asked Yahshua into his heart. The story is a bit long, so I will say it was wonderful to know he did that before he passed on.

I know that Yahweh is most forgiving.

Here are a few more scriptures..

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

John 3:16 For G-d so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of G-d; and every one that loveth is born of G-d, and knoweth G-d. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not G-d; for G-d is love.

The only thing that is not forgiven unto mankind is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. I believe there is a faith and love starting point unto salvation, and Yahshua will render to each man according as his work is.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Only a few (144,000?) will enter into heaven with the Father, but I think many will be saved and dwell with Yahshua on the new earth in his throne to be.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from G-d out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Yahshua was conceived of the Holy Ghost "The spirit of Yahweh in him (John 14:10)". By the grace of Yahweh, Yahshua came here to do his Father's will and Yahshua being obedient, purchased us lost sheep. If someone denies Yahshua, then they deny the Father who sent him, for he came in his Father's name. If someone blasphemies the Holy Ghost they have no chance.

This is a very powerful good study: I hope you find time to study this.

Yahweh's devine name in short means "I AM" or "I Will Be". Now in the next two scriptures when you see the word "name", apply the above meaning of his name -Ex 23:21 and Isa 52:6. Yahshua came in his Father name, and to represent his Father and make him known. Now read Rev 19:13 & John 1:1 and you will know = (Strongs#3045) who Yahweh is, for his name is who he was and will always be = John 6:63 & Mat 24:35

Was everybody given a fair chance unto salvation? Will Yahshua lose any of his sheep? This one should really make you think 1 Pet 4:6


Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohanan

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sabian

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posted 02-22-2004 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The false prophets do not seem to be part of the Lost Sheep!!!

If you are alluding that all of mankind will be saved?

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sabian

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posted 02-22-2004 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not think everyhuman will me saved.


Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So are false prophets human ?

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of YHWH: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

This scripture states that these false prophets are not of YHWH.
If YHWH created them they are a child of YAH. But to be a sheep you must seek You can not know you are lost unless you look. If you know but reject to follow you are not so lost.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the YHWH that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Note: That they bring Destruction upon themselves.
It is their free will Choose, not to follow YHWH.

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Messiah YAHSHUA, that they might bring us into bondage:

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Does YHWH transform them or do they transform themselves? Another example of Free will.

1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

Act 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith YHWH of hosts.

Jer 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith YHWH, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith YHWH.
er 14:14 Then YHWH said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Does not seem that YHWH sends these false prophets.

Pro 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

Boy that reminds me of people that claim to speak in tounges. They babble but not truth comes from their lips.

Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.

Wow A false wittness will perish, that does not sound like they will be saved.
Pro 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.
Pro 19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.

Pro 17:4 A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.
Pro 17:5 Whoso mocketh the poor reproacheth his Maker: and he that is glad at calamities shall not be unpunished.
Exo 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

What happens to the wicked?

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom YHWH shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Who are the wicked are they YHWH's?

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Think I will end with this Verse.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith YHWH of hosts.

That does not sound saved to ever lasting life to me that sounds like ashes. Burnt up gone.

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Yahwehwitnesses

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posted 02-22-2004 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yahwehwitnesses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom Sabian,

I do not think all of mankind will be saved. I said I think many will be saved and dwell with Yahshua on the new earth in his throne to be.

Yahshua came to save the lost sheep. I do not know how many, but it's much more thanks to the grace of Yahweh and through Yahshua.

Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohanan

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sabian

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posted 02-22-2004 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sabian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry about that YHWH witness

I have heard alot about all humans being the lost sheep lately.
and that all humans will be saved.
I agree that we are all children of YAH because YHWH did create us all.
But there is a diffrence When YHWH say he will save all His sheep.
And he will save all human beings.
We should look at all humans as children of YAH and not judge then.
But YHWH sees the big picture, and the rest is all up to YHWH.

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WilliamJ

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posted 02-23-2004 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WilliamJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot to mention prayer. Pray that Yahweh puts/sends the spirit of truth upon this man. Pray with others "especially with those who know him" and that are sincere, and in the name of Yahshua.

hi i would pray with others, but im the onlyone around here that i am aware of that recognizes these names. Thank you all for your kind words and encouragement.

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WilliamJ

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posted 02-23-2004 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WilliamJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont want to throw the subject off but have you ever wondered this?

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Ive been taught for a while now that the trinity teaching is a false teaching, could this be the 3 unclean spirits? not saying but just somthing to ponder, not that we will know.

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kongavnorge

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posted 02-23-2004 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kongavnorge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In response to the party asking about the name "El Shaddai", El means mighty and shaddai comes from the root meaning "breast". So El Shaddai can be interpreted to mean "Mighty one who succors". On the level at which even a little child can understand it, the Beast is the Ishtar (Easter) Bunny and the false prophet is Santa Claus ("He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake. He know when you are good or bad, So be good for goodness sake")
Yes, it is well to know about the great false church, the vatican, the papacy and all that sort of thing, but I'm talking about making things so simple that even a child can understand it. And it is these symbols that will be quite literally thrown into the fire and burned up.

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Izzyahu

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posted 02-23-2004 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izzyahu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sabian,

A few more verses to support what you say:

Matt 7:14 " Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Matt 24:14 " And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." [Note "as a witness" signifies judgement; condemnation; like a witness against a person for a capitol crime]

Herbert W. Armstrong started and spread the idea of "Universal Salvation" through his Worldwide Church Of God- and it is a universally popular doctrine. It's carnal...people therefore love it. They are led to beleive that there loved ones and friends and family who do not believe the truth in this lifetime are simply "not called at this time" and that they will have a chance, along with the rest of humanity to believe and repent in another lifetime[resurrection]- of course, the whole scheme is totally unscriptural- and the only way the proponents of it can justify it, is by connecting scriptures that have no connection, and by quoting things wildly out of context, and putting their own meaning and interpretation on them.

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