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Originally posted by WilliamJ:
I forgot to mention prayer. Pray that Yahweh puts/sends the spirit of truth upon this man. Pray with others "especially with those who know him" and that are sincere, and in the name of Yahshua.

hi i would pray with others, but im the onlyone around here that i am aware of that recognizes these names. Thank you all for your kind words and encouragement.

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Put it in the prayer request forum. You can also stop in the chat room here on the shabbat.

Shalom in Yahweh

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Originally posted by Izzyahu:
Sabian,

A few more verses to support what you say:

Matt 7:14 " Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Matt 24:14 " And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." [Note "as a witness" signifies judgement; condemnation; like a witness against a person for a capitol crime]

Herbert W. Armstrong started and spread the idea of "Universal Salvation" through his Worldwide Church Of God- and it is a universally popular doctrine. It's carnal...people therefore love it. They are led to beleive that there loved ones and friends and family who do not believe the truth in this lifetime are simply "not called at this time" and that they will have a chance, along with the rest of humanity to believe and repent in another lifetime[resurrection]- of course, the whole scheme is totally unscriptural- and the only way the proponents of it can justify it, is by connecting scriptures that have no connection, and by quoting things wildly out of context, and putting their own meaning and interpretation on them.

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Shalom, Izzyahu!

Actually what Armstrong taught was universal opportunity, or what some call "age to come" wherein those who were not called in this life will be called in the next. Armstrong did not actually start it, but did make it popular in sabbatarian circles as his ex members carried it with them into other groups. As you said, it consists of connecting scriptures that have no connection. Only universal reconcilliation, which is taught by Concordant Publishing Concern and other similar groups makes any kind of sense along those lines. I like the motto of the Bible Sabbath Association: "For those who do not know Him, [Yeshua Messiah] and Him crucified. For those who do know Him, the liberty of His Sabbath." The message is not to be kept from anyone, but freely proclaimed to all.

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Originally posted by WilliamJ:
How does one prove to a friend that the name of YHWH was removed from original scripture without being a linguist? In 134 places it is taught that the name of YHWH was removed and placed in there was adonia, or lord.

In the NIV preface it sais the name YHWH was translated to "the Lord"
So somone i have discussed this with recently sais it is Lord and i say no it comes into our language as YHWH, and he said im believeing in peoples sayings about it being removed from the septuagant.

He believes ardently in the NIV and seems to think my ISR copy is somwhat wicked? how does one help somone understand the way things have been twisted and hidden from so many? Or is somthing that YHWH will have to reviel to him?

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Blessings brother WilliamJ,

I know to you, me or others who are on the forum Yahweh seems like a second nature to us. However, there are so many lost sheep out there in this world. Understand that not all people will listen to Yahweh's message. They will REJECT him and you for telling them about him. But think about this brother...Yahweh is selective! Some may disagree and that is ok too. But let the scripture serve as my witness: Abel, David, Yaahqob (Jacob), Isaac just to name a few. These men had a purpose before they were ever born. The only thing you can do is tell Yahweh's word. Perhaps this may be helpful to you:

Mattithyah 11:25-30-

25. At that time yahshua spoke, and said: I thank You FATHER, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, because You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them to babes.
26. May this be so, FATHER; for this was the intended purpose in Your sight,
27. All things have been delivered to Me by My FATHER, And no one Fully knows the Son except the FATHER, NEITHER DOES ANYONE KNOW FATHER EXCEPT THE SON AND THOSE WHOM YAHWEH WILLS THE SON TO REVEAL.
28. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For My yoke; The Law of Yahweh, is easy and My burden; the load that must be carried, is light.

Also if people reject the truth, that may be your test! A person will argue with you just to see if you will crack. But also it helps you in Yahweh to know your strengths and weakness.....

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Originally posted by WilliamJ:
How does one prove to a friend that the name of YHWH was removed from original scripture without being a linguist? In 134 places it is taught that the name of YHWH was removed and placed in there was adonia, or lord.

In the NIV preface it sais the name YHWH was translated to "the Lord"
So somone i have discussed this with recently sais it is Lord and i say no it comes into our language as YHWH, and he said im believeing in peoples sayings about it being removed from the septuagant.

He believes ardently in the NIV and seems to think my ISR copy is somwhat wicked? how does one help somone understand the way things have been twisted and hidden from so many? Or is somthing that YHWH will have to reviel to him?

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Greetings WilliamJ,

Actually William what you are referring to is what is called the "Tikkune Soferim" or Emendations of the Scribes. This was the situation where certain changes, not just concerning the Name of the Creator were made to SOME, and I stress SOME texts. What you have to understand is that the history of the Tikkune Soferim is a long and complex one because it was said to have started during the time of Ezra. The flip side of the issue is that there are texts that were never touched by the Jewish Soferim. The Shamerim (Samaritans) have a text which was never touched by any Jewish scribes. The Shameri Torah is a good source for noticing differences in various text since it differs in about 6,000 ways for what is called the Masoretic text which most English translation come from. Yet, there are even Jewish texts which are different including the Lenigrad and Yemenite Texts.

There are two issues here that you have to first come to grips with depending on what it is EXACTLY that you trying to prove to your friend.

Issue #1: If you are trying to prove that certain changes were made to the Hebrew text which most English translations come from that is easy enough. All you have to do is look up Emendations of the Scribes, or Tikkune Soferim on the net. This is easy enough, but the changes and why they were made are complex, and the information which records the changes is here and there. Some of it can be found in various texts such as the Talmud. The other issue is that is theorized as to why and what some of the changes were. It is said that in the Temple there was one copy of the Torah from which all scribes copied from. In this process it was understandable that some differences came about because of the fact that some of the soferim were writing for audiences that understood the text differently. Another source to look at are the Targumim (Translation) of the Torah that were put into Aramaic. These are good sources to know what things were written what way.

Issue #2: If you are trying to prove what the Name of The Creator is then you are in an entirely different arena. More than likely you friend could care less about that, but in either case you are in a difficult position. The reason is that there are at least 4 or 5 possible pronunciations that make sense in Semetic grammer towards the possible pronunciation of Yod-Hay-Waw-Hay. The problem is which one is correct. Everything at this point is ONLY theory. None of the scholors who propose what the Name was say that "without a doubt this is what it was." Most say "probably, possibly, if this is true then it was..." So now you are entering the realm of having to study the Semetic languages which existed to see if they help in making a match. Otherwise you are only repeating what someone told you, without any real evidence on your own part. For example, anyone can claim to know how to pronounce the Creator's Name, but very few can say that they know it based on in depth archeological research, and language study.

My suggestion to you is as follows no matter which of the issues you fall under. Instead of presenting an ISR to your friend, purchase for yourself a Hebrew text of the Tanakh and(or) a Shameri (Samaritan) Torah text. Show him in the original languages what your point is. The best assist would be getting a Lexicon to assist you. Unless you are looking at an actual text you yourself also don't know if the ISR translated correctly. I am not saying they didn't but how do "you" know for sure the ISR is accurate unless you read the source?

The following may be of assistance to you in any case.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=246&letter=M&search=Masorah#727

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=886&letter=S&search=Tikkune Soferim

http://www.geocities.com/hebrew_roots/html/hr-2-1-02.html

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=407&letter=S&search=Tikkune Soferim#1276

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Eloah immakhem,

Shimson bar-Tzadoq

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Originally posted by wannabe:
Riyyah,
Many people read todays translations thinking the truth is not hidden from them.
How would you know of what is being revealed or what is being veiled in front of you.

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It is called faith Wannabe,

To address the second part of your response first......I have faith that Yahweh will lead/guide me in the right direction. Surely he will not lead me astray. Yahweh has brought me through so much in my life so I KNOW HE HAS ALWAYS BEEM JUST A CALL AWAY!

Isayah 52:6-
Therefore MY PEOPLE WILL KNOW MY NAME; Therefore they will know in that day that I am He Who speaks. Behold it is I!

Now to address the first part of your response....You are right many do read todays translations thinking nothing is wrong/hidden. The only thing we can do is ask Yahweh to guide us in spreading his truth. Yahweh knows the truth has been hidden from his people. What we have to do is tell the truth and go to scripture and call on the Father for help. But we must also keep in mind some people will be harsh because their eyes have not been opened or may never be.

Thank you for calling me on my response :-)

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Originally posted by wannabe:
Riyyah,
I agree.
I mainly posted this because I thought I read somewhere you might be joining hoy.

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Thank you for being concerned but I am not joining HOY. I had wanted to visit to see how things were there. I wondered if there was one in Jackson MS were I stay.

My goodness, after receiving all of the concern regarding HOY I would have be afraid ya'll (southern language) would have jumped on me for becoming a member (lauhging)!!

Seriously...I do feel bleesed that many of you have shown so much concern for me.

Your sister in Yahweh