posted 11-23-1999 07:32 AM            

First of all, if we are to go through and select a "name" to use in making reference to our Heavenly Father, why not just select the one He gave to Himself, the one that is used at least 6,823 times in all of Scripture? I don't care how "charming" a certain name may seem to anyone, or how nice of a "ring" it might have to it, you can't go wrong by calling upon the name He gave to Himself, the name the believers of old called upon. There are many wonderful, beautiful names mentioned in Scripture. Can any surpass the name of Yahweh? No. So why even consider another name, or even replacing His name with a title?

Secondly, "haShem" simply means "the name." Does it seem appropriate to refer to our Creator as "The name"? I think not.

Finally, the name "haShem" was the name of a common Israelite (I Chronicles 11:34). Is this TRULY showing our Heavenly Father the respect He deserves when we refer to Him by the name given to a man? This man named Hashem was given that name prior to anyone ever referring to Yahweh by such an appellation. Therefore, when one refers to the Creator as "haShem," he or she is not only referring to Him by a man-made, unoriginal name/title, but is also referring to Him by a name originally given to a man. Let’s not settle for such an insignificant name. Let’s go for the one He gave to Himself: Yahweh.

Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion on this matter.

Yours in Messiah,
Larry

posted 11-23-1999 01:15 PM           

The hidden god of the Jews!

It's like saying L.O.R.D.,even Zeus and most
all of the other demon gods were called ,L.O.R.D.

In Hebrew BAAL means L.O.R.D.

ADON is chaldee and means L.O.R.D.

ADONIS is the Greek name for ADON and ADONAI is the Hebrew name
for TAMMUZ or ADONIS and it means "MY L.O.R.D."

hummmm!

Well the only god I know of that's hiding,is SATAN.

You know the "EVIL ONE".

He been hiding behind alllll these names of these
pagan gods from the beginning.

I don't reckon "HA SHEM" is any different from the rest.

posted 11-25-1999 10:32 AM            

And a good question: "Who is Hashem?" Such questions promote a platform for good discussion, and resulting crucial life-saving information.

It might be helpful to some of us to take a little time reviewing the literature and postings on this Website. Helpful to the point that it would deter much incorrect terminology such as names and titles like, "Jesus," "Christ", "Jehovah," "God," "LORD,", etc., and yes, the old "Hashem" which seem to be coming up more and more these days.

I am so grateful for the Internet and great websites, like this one, and for the EliYahs of this world.

Yahweh, is His great wisdom is allowing His truth to be seen on the World Wide Web for His purpose. This is the prelude to the fast-approaching end of this age spoken of in Matt. 24: 14, and in Rev. 11, when the TWO WITNESSES will preach just before the end comes.

Those who insist in calling the Creator out of His name will have to answer to Him because there will be no excuse. Everyone will have heard, and will have been given the opportunity to accept or reject. One thing for sure, Yahweh will make no mistake about the names of those who rejected HIS name.

And in the Tribulation, those who reject His great Name, (which embodies His very character and essence-- the ever-existent one, without beginning or ending), will receive the Lake of Fire for doing so. We must remember ALL Gods are created, and ALL have beginnings and endings. Therefore to insist on being a God-worshipper is to insist on being a worshipper of BAAL, and no one can serve two masters.

The warning has been given many times on this website. He that hath an ear, let him hear.

Bosassyah

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posted 11-25-1999 12:29 PM            

Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Yer 16:21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YAHWEH.

Yeah, I'm thinking why not just go with the Name that He told us to use, instead of making up something else? Seems that there would be safety in using the given name Yahweh. You may call me crazy, but that's what I think we all should do.

What were the rebels at the tower of Babel doing? One of the things was making a name for themselves instead of calling upon Yahweh with reverence and keeping His commands. Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

Good posts brethren, and my prayer is that some will hear.

PS It is too bad we couldn't get rid of all the baal zeusin' going on all over the place. I continue to see Jesus Christ, LORD, God, Jehovah (all of which identify haSatan) at this site that is dedicated to YAHWEH. It would be great if this profanity would cease. It seems that those here that continue in this sin do not have the excuse of ignorance, for the truth concerning this is preached here every day. Yahweh is no longer winking at these individuals. But we should for a while, until we discern it is not out of innocent ignorance, but rather rebellion. I don't think LORD is so bad if used in conjuction with Yahweh or Yeshua, such as My Lord Yahweh, or My Lord and Savior Yeshua haMashiach. It is not bad if ID is made along with it, for it just means Master, etc. But there remains NO excuse for using the pagan names here on this Yahweh site. This is all just my humble opinion, however, I believe it is backed up in Scripture.

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Shalom to all :) and may Iaue's people fear His name and glorify it...

Anav

posted 11-25-1999 02:12 PM            

Many folks in the Sacred Name movement commonly refer to our Creator as "Yahweh God." To this I say, "Yuck!" As these people already know (in most cases), "god" is the pronunciation of the name of the Babylonian deity of fortune. I fail to see how applying the name of the Babylonian deity of fortune to the title of our Heavenly Father brings Him honor.

Again, I wish to thank you all for your contributions to this posting. May Yahweh bless you all as you serve Him!

Yours in Messiah,
Larry

posted 11-25-1999 04:33 PM           

YAHUWDAH --- Praiser (worshiper) of YHW (YAHUW)

YAHUWDIM --- Praisers (worshiper) of YHW (YAHUW)

YAHUWSHUA --- YHW (YAHUW), He is Salvation

posted 11-25-1999 06:18 PM            

IThess. 5:22 tells us to "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Because the Enemy has so cleaverly deceived the entire world (Rev. 12:9), by taking advantage of language differences, it is often difficult deciphering semantics, or understanding the REAL meaning of a word in a given context.

A good example would be the word "gay." When I was a child, the word was used in general to mean "happy," "exuberant," "lively," and so forth. Today, since the meaning "homosexual", has been added to the meaning of the word "gay,", one must be careful in employing this word. In fact, because of this added meaning, the word "gay" is now used exclusively by the homosexual population. This does not mean that there is anything intrinsically wrong with the word "gay," but because of the prevailing connotation of the word, it is wisely avoided by the general population.

General knowledge is that the English word "LORD" has been inserted into scripture approximately 7,000 times for the devilish purpose of replacing Yahweh's name. Many do not know that there is a Hebrew TITLE, "lord" meaning "master." The Father of Lies has confused two words; one, the NAME of BAAL, and the other, a TITLE simply meaning "master." In most English translations of scripture, when the word is used to replace Yahweh's name, it is spelled either in all Higher-cased letters (O.T.), or with the first letter only, Higher-cased (N.T.). When the word "lord" is used as "master", all the letters are usually lower-cased.

As in the previous word-example, given the circumstances of the confusion that prevails concerning the word "lord," in today's world, it would be expedient to use the English word "master" when referring to one of Yahshua's titles. This would eliminate the error of calling on the name BAAL inadvertently, thus avoiding the appearance of evil.

One more subject, while I'm here. Jewish people because they viewed YAH-shua as an imposter, claiming authority He did not possess, conspired to change His name to "Yeshu," which is an acronym for, yod shin, waw, y'shu, standing for three Hebrew words, "yiddish sh'mo w'zither" translated to mean, "May His name and memory be blotted out" (Tol'doth Yehsu, page 7). The Jews felt they were fulfilling scriptures that say, "Cursed be everyone that hangs on a tree" (Deut. 21:22-23). Blotting Yahshua's name out of Israel was commanded in Yahweh's law, IF He had been an imposter (Deut. 18:15-22;29:20). Accordingly, YEH-shua is also an erroneous name used often by Jewish people, and is consequently being repeated by some on this website. YEH-shua, and YAH-shua are NOT the same names.

In conclusion, there are only two reasons I know of, that a person would CONTINUALLY state pagan names and titles on this webpage: innocent ignorance, or simply rebellion. One visit to this webpage is all that is needed to ascertain that the tradtional names and titles are NOT the norm. I have been watching persons who contribute REGULARLY to this site, responding with traditional names and titles for the Creator to those of us who OBVIOUSLY do not use such. There has to come a time when those who write to this site begin to respect the preference this site obviously supports. I hope that day comes soon!

Bosassyah

posted 11-25-1999 07:28 PM            

The word "gay" is a good example, and I do not use LORD because of the negative connotations associated with it, but neither do I condemn others who don't mind using it, unless they start calling Yahweh 'LORD' or Yeshua 'LORD'. At that point they have taken away what is so sacred and powerful, and replaced it with a generic title, which is highly unlawful.

Although most cannot explain where the name "Yahshua" or "Yahushua" came from, most like to use them, because they have half, and three quarters, respectively, of the sacred name in them. The first has yod, heh, and the second contains the trigrammatton, the yod, heh, waw, which is pronounced Ya- oo, and both are found in several names in Scriptures, usually at the beginning, such as Iauchanan (John), or at the end, such as Eliau (Elijah). Most use John 5:43 as their evidence that atleast part of the sacred Name should be in the Messiah's name.

I used to do this myself, until the weight of evidence changed my mind on this. King David also said that He had come in Yahweh's name, but he has no part of the name in his name. I believe that Yeshua came in the authority and power of His Father's Name, and that His full and proper name is Yahweh Yeshua, and this name will be changed in the future, as it says, to Yahweh Tsidkenu. But although this is most likely His Heavenly and full/legal name currently as part of the Yahweh Elohim Family, it obviously was not His name when He walked the earth. Most of the evidence is that it was #3442, yod, shin, waw, ayin, Yeshua, and the definition of this name is the same as the Scriptural definition in Matt. 1:21, "He will save..."

This is why He has a name above all other names, because He is only One (of Three that we are aware of) that is WORTHY of this sacred Family name Yahweh. Atleast this is the way that I understand all of this at this time. But I have no condemnation for those who use Yahshua or Yahushua, for this is what they believe is His name. There is so little difference in the pronunciation anyway, that in general fellowship no one knows who is using what. We all try to do the best we can with the info that we have. Any one of us could be wrong on any point of doctrine at any time, even though we may be "100% sure" that we have it right. So we have to continually grow and learn and be careful how we approach any doctrine or belief and how we use and share it.

There is so much yet to learn for all of us, and since we will be learning throughout all eternity if we are so blessed to be there, then we surely cannot know very much right now! Let us atleast try to stick to the basic foundational truths and not be baal zeusin' all over the place!

Isa 65:11 But ye are they that forsake YAHWEH, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for GOD, and that furnish the drink offering unto Meni.

So, to stay on topic, let us not use Ha Shem, God, Lord (preferably), Jehovah, Jesus Christ, or any other such erroneous
terms. Let us use Yahweh and Yeshua, as these are the ones that have been given to those who hunger and thirst after righteousness and have a great love for the truth.

Let those who do choose this lonely path have a great love for eternal Law, but most importantly, a much greater love for the Law Giver. Larry has thanked us, and I also thank all of you for your input, and appreciate this thread being started. Fellowship is very good.

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Shalom to all :) and may Iaue's people fear His name and glorify it...

Anav

posted 11-25-1999 09:25 PM            

The names "Yehshua" and "Yahshua" are not the same. "Yehshua" is a name which comes from the name change by the Jews to "Yeshu" which is an acronym for yod, shin, waw, y'shu, standing for three Hebrew words, "yiddish sh'mo w'zither," translated to mean "MAY HIS NAME AND MEMORY BE BLOTTED OUT" (Tol'doth Yeshu, page 7). The ancient Jews conspired to ERACE the name of Yahshua by replacing it with this SIMILAR, but INCORRECT name, because they did not believe He was the Son of Yahweh.

Hallelu-YAH, which means "Praise you YAH, is certainly different from "Hallelu-YEH."

As you so well stated, we are all still learning.

Bosassyah

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posted 11-25-1999 11:24 PM            

You stated:

quote:

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Hallelu-YAH, which means "Praise you YAH, is certainly different from "Hallelu-YEH."

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Sounds right to me. I believe it should be HalleluIa. Like I said, they both sound the same when spoken. Do you know how you arrived at the name Yashua? There is no need for us gentiles to speculate, or try to make sure there is a YA somewhere in the Messiah's name. I notice a lot of people do that, but I am not sure why. Why do some think there must be a YA in His name somewhere? I do not know. The weight of evidence that I have seen from the earliest texts simply state that #3442, Yeshua (not Yeshu), was His correct name.

These minor differences Yahweh is not concerned with. He will not cast me into the lake of fire because I used the erroneous Yeshua, nor cast you in because you used the erroneous Yashua. He does not like us to call upon His enemy Jesus though. So that we have to repent of when we come to a knowledge of the truth. He is much more interested in what is in our heart to serve Him then if we use an English a or e.

But I understand what Larry is saying here. HaShem is not a name that we should ascribe to the Heavenly Father. Yahweh is the name we should use. It is also commonly spelled Iaue, using the 4 English vowels that best represent the 4 Hebrew ones. It is still pronounced the same. Since this is the only name He has given us to call upon, and then commands us to address Him by that name, we should simply do just that. I know some say it is too sacred to utter, etc. But I think it is safe to call upon Yahweh's name because we have Scripture to back up our position. Some say NO ONE knows how to pronounce it, NO ONE KNOWS His name, but again, Scripture disagrees. His people shall know His name, for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it. It is also out of character for Him to command His people to call upon a Name that no one knows, and is impossible to find out.

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Shalom to all :) and may Iaue's people fear His name and glorify it...

Anav

posted 11-26-1999 12:32 AM         

I had read that Y.E.Sh.U. was an anachronim for Y'mah Shmo V'Zochayr; "may his name be botted from rememberance"

posted 11-26-1999 01:37 AM            

Now regarding those who persist in using "lord," "god," haShem," etc., in this forum, I would like to make a comment. While I am personally opposed to using those terms, and especially opposed to applying them to our Heavenly Father, I must establish that I do not believe it is proper for us to attempt to legislate disuse of them here. I feel we should give others the freedom to use whichever names/titles they choose. If we don't like it, we can explain our logic as to why not. Thus, this forum can serve as an opportunity for us to witness to others regarding our Heavenly Father's name. I love opportunities. Sadly, I often don't seize opportunity when it knocks! This forum looks like an excellent place to seize opportunities! I do not support demanding that visitors to this forum respect our views regarding the names of our Heavenly Father and His Son. If they wish to express opposition to our beliefs, this is the place to do it! What are we afraid of? Let 'em employ the name/title of his or her choice, and let us respond with all gentleness and meekness.

I personally prefer to refer to our Messiah as "Yeshua." I came to my current understanding after 10 years' of referring to Him as "Yahshua," so I have not arrived at my current understanding without considerable study. I nevertheless respect the belief of those who prefer "Yahshua" and "Yahushua." Why, I even try to show respect for those who refer to Him as "Jesus," even though I am in sharp disagreement. Rather than "getting short" with those whose viewpoints differ from those of our own, I suggest applying a less dogmatic approach. We are here to address each other's viewpoints, not to slam them.

I hereby suggest that we bring this particular discussion to a close. I will begin a new post in which I intend to present a piece of my logic pertaining to the Messiah's name. As we move on, I request that we all determine to pursue scholarly inquiry blended with the respectful sharing of ideas and beliefs to the end that, if we remain at odds, we can at least agree to disagree agreeably. Tough assignment for us, isn't it? But let's do our best.

Yours in Messiah,
Larry

posted 11-27-1999 07:39 AM           

quote:

I feel we should give others the
freedom to use whichever names/titles they choose.

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I can only agree with this to a point !
If it's done in ignorance that's one thing,
but when it's done out of Pride and Stupidity that's
something else all togather.
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quote;

If we don't like it, we can explain our logic
as to why not.
Thus, this forum can serve as an opportunity for us to
witness to others regarding our Heavenly Father's name.
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Don't you think this is being done already by all
the brothers here?

posted 11-27-1999 09:22 AM           

THE HIDDEN GOD

Satan has been playing the name game sence the beginning !

So where did the idea come from by the jewish rabbi's to call YHWH by the title
"Ha Shem" ?

History Proves that this little bad habit was picked up from the nations that surrounded
YAHUWDAH.

Did you know the concept of the "HIDDEN NAME" or Concealed Name was used by the
Egyptians the Babylonians and the Greeks,for their gods,long before the JEWS started
using it ?

History will also prove that this title "Ha Shem" and "Adonai" as well was never used by
the YAHUWDIM until after the time of the Babylonian captivity.

In Gnostic thought which is used by all the Babylonian Mystery Cults, the concrete is
resolved into the abstract.
Personal names are replaced by terms of Cabaalahist inspired Philosophy;
mythlogical figures are changed into qualities and attributes and events into cosmic
processes.

Hence the personal name of the creator YHWH ,becomes the attributes LORD,Ha Shem
etc.

In many Gnostic religions,the god reprsents a THING such as Aeolus, as the
personifcation of the wind.
Lucfer becomes a THING the Morning Star. and it just goes on and on.

Well meaning or not using titles is against the Commandments of YHWH!
By doing these things you bring His Set Apart Name to NOTHING,
which is clearly against his Torah.

These Cabaalahist inspired Gnostic Rabbi's are nothing less than preachers of
UNRIGHTOUSNESS, and are leading YHWH's people that are called by His Name
YAHUWDIM into UNRIGHTOUSNESS !

The use of Cabaalah is witchcraft and forebidden by TORAH !

All of this stuff that is rooted in the Baylonian Mytery Religion is UNRIGHTOUSNESS
and a "SIN"!

The command which now stands and is relevent even more so today is to;

"COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!"

Rabbic Judaism is Babylon,Christianity is Babylon Cabaalah is Babylon,
Gnosticism is Babylon,Philosophy is Babylon, RELIGION is Babylonand the list just
goes on and on.

There is only one Name that a man can call on and be saved by -----YHWH !

And it sure ain't Ha Shem,Adonai,Lord,God or even Elohim!

posted 11-28-1999 04:59 AM            

Your reply was:
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"I can only agree with this to a point! If it's done in ignorance that's one thing, but when it's done out of Pride and Stupidity that's something else all togather."

And I answer:
How do you propose we legislate this denial of freedoms to all who use the incorrect names/titles indiscriminately? And how do we define "pride" and "stupidity"? I trust that none of your postings ever reflect such traits as "pride."
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Don, I also wrote earlier and you quoted;
"If we don't like it, we can explain our logic as to why not.
Thus, this forum can serve as an opportunity for us to witness to others regarding our Heavenly Father's name."
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You replied:
"Don't you think this is being done already by all the brothers here?"

I answer: Yes, Don, and I hope it continues.

Don, you also wrote:
"This is not an 'INQUISITION' and the brothers here are not 'JESUITS'."

I reply: Did I say otherwise?

For the record, I expressed my sentiments out of concern over the following quote from one of the contributors to this forum:
"I have been watching persons who contribute REGULARLY to this site, responding with traditional names and titles for the Creator to those of us who OBVIOUSLY do not use such. There has to come a time when those who write to this site begin to respect the preference this site obviously supports. I hope that day comes soon!"

I maintain that we should promote freedom of expression in this forum with regard to sharing our faith, so long as the "expressions" are not done in an offensive manner.

Sincerely,
Larry
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