This was a nice one you said, man I had to laugh at the ignorance that person said from this quote you said.

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Someone said that calling the Father "God" with a capital "G" was the highest form of honor. Whoever that was, if you should decide to call me a scumbag , please be sure to spell "Scumbag" with a capital
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No one will be honoring you no matter if they put a CAPITOL " S " ON " scumbag " or not, because the word itself is dis-honorable, whether capitolized or not.

Your true with that statement though.

The same is true though of " god " too, no matter if IT(g-d)is capitolized or not, it is the same in spelling and pronounciation, and IT does not HONOR YAHWEH, for it even sounds the same in YAHWEH'S Ears too, because it is a dis-honorable title/ name to Him too, the same as scumbag .

Now, people please notice this carefully.

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Worship of Odin dates to Proto-Germanic paganism, and the names Old English (and Old Saxon) Wōden; Old Franconian Wodan; Alemannic Wuodan; German WOTAN or WOTHAN; Lombardic GODAN are synonymous with ODIN, though they represent regional differences.....Etymology

The attested forms of the theonym are traditionally derived from Proto-Germanic *Wōđanaz[1] (in Old Norse word-initial *w- was dropped before rounded vowels and so the name became Ódinn). Adam von Bremen etymologizes the god worshipped by the 11th century Scandinavian pagans as "WODAN id est furor" ("WODAN, which means 'fury'"). An obsolete alternate etymology , which has been adhered to by many early writers including Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa in his Libri tres de occulta philosophia, is to give it the SAME ROOT AS THE WORD 'god ' itself, from its Proto-Germanic form GUD( Note Strongs 1464 of GUwD). This is not tenable today, except for the Lombardic name GODAN, which may go back to *guđanaz (see also gothi, gaut, god).Gothi

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[b]Gautr, Gauti, Guti, Gothus and Geats are name forms based on the same Proto-Germanic root, *Guđ- (see god). Gapt is considered to be a corruption of Gaut (Gaut→Gavt→Gaft→Gapt, cf. eftir and eptir, "after" in Old Norse).

The names may represent the eponymous founder of an early tribe ancestral to the Gautar (Geats), Gutans (Goths) and Gutar (Gotlanders). Gaut was one of Odin's names and the name forms are thought to be echoes of an ancient ancestry tradition among Germanic tribes, such as that of Yngvi and the Ingaevones.

The names Geats, Goths and Gutar are closely related tribal names. Geat was originally Proto-Germanic *Gautoz and Goths and Gutar were *Gutaniz. According to Andersson (1996), *Gautoz and *Gutaniz are two ablaut grades of a Proto-Germanic word with the meaning "to pour" (modern Swedish gjuta, modern German giessen) designating the tribes as "pourers of semen" or "men".

Some versions of the English royal line of Wessex add names above that of WODEN, purportedly giving Woden's ancestry, though the names are now usually thought be in fact another royal lineage that has been at some stage erroneously pasted onto the top of the standard genealogy. Some of these genealogies end in Geat, whom it is reasonable to think might be Gaut. The account in the Historia Britonum calls Geat a son of a god which fits. But Asser in his Life of Alfred writes instead that the pagans worshipped this GEAT himself for a long time as a 'god'. In Old Norse texts GAUT is itself a very common byname for ODIN.

Jordanes in The origin and deeds of the Goths traces the line of the Amelungs up to Hulmul son of Gapt, purportedly the first Gothic hero of record. This Gapt is felt by many commentators to be an error for Gaut or Gauti. Nennius reports that a Gothus was the ancestor of the Goths.

The Gutasaga, which treats the history of Gotland before its Christianization, begins with Tielvar and his son Havde, who had three sons, Graip, Guti and Gunfjaun, who were the ancestors of the Gotlanders, the Gutar (which is originally the same name as Goths).

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There is no doubt about the Germamanic, ie-Assryians" Got, God,Gud,Gapt, Geat, WODAN, GODAN, " and its connection to the Old English (and Old Saxon) Wōden; Old Franconian Wodan; Alemannic Wuodan; German WOTAN or WOTHAN; Lombardic GODAN are synonymous with ODIN, though they represent regional differences,The account in the Historia Britonum calls Geat a son of a god which fits.

Proto-Germanic *Wōđanaz[1] (in Old Norse word-initial *w- was dropped before rounded vowels and so the name became Ódinn). Adam von Bremen etymologizes the god worshipped by the 11th century Scandinavian pagans as "WODAN id est furor" ("WODAN, which means 'fury'").

An obsolete alternate etymology , which has been adhered to by many early writers including Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa in his Libri tres de occulta philosophia, is to give it the SAME ROOT AS THE WORD 'god ' itself, from its Proto-Germanic form GUD( Note as I said of Strongs 1464 of GUwD). This is not tenable today, except for the Lombardic name GODAN, which may go back to *guđanaz (see also gothi, gaut, god).Gothi

Does anyone really want me to go farther to prove this connection of the Germanic-ie Assryians to the Modern Descendants of the Children of Israel, and that they are still in fact worshipping the same idol deity in( Isa.65:11)of a Babylonian deity of fortune " Strongs Hebrew Numbers GAD=1408=GAWD, ie-variation of 1409=GAWD, from 1464=GUwD, akin to 1413, which is related to the time when the BAAL=LORD GAD=GOAWD prophets[b] cut themselves in ( 1 Kings 18:28)?

Then you had better go back in this topic and re-read that Article I put up, this is from another Etyemology source different than I have in my memory, however, it proves TWO FACTS ( as I have only shown a portion connecting modern Israel with its ancient captors), and the connection of GAD=GAWD=GOD=JUPITER=ZEUS which can be traced back to the 3rd Century and is branded on the very forehead or mind of the modern Babylonian mother and her harlots, and is the title name of the Roman( Dan.4th beast, and John's 1st beast)idol image, for all thee above title/ name deities are the one and the same, for it(Isa.65:11) of GAWD=GOD=JUPITER) was the title name of [b]the Babylonian( 1st Kingdom deity=GOD=GAWD, see Daniel)to the final Iron Roman Kingdom deity of JUPITER-ie=GAWD=GOD.

Has anything really changed any since old EliYahu the Prophet's day( 1 Kings 18) concerning the modern descendants of Israel ? Yea, there are a lot more Baal prophets today who put a stumbling block before the modern descencants of the Children of Israel, as this is exactly what I have been exposing on the internet religious forums, as that is the reason most forum administrators hate me and ban me from their forums too.

Also, i'm 100 percent with EliYah of this forum and His Guideline rules as Brother Larry quoted.

Yahweh bless,

Elyahc=Eljah C.

I really appreciate your adding another perspective to this discussion, especially the part about the kleenex. Also, you are one of the nicest scumbags Scumbags I know!

Over five years ago, when I first began an earnest discussion with those who believe we honor the Almighty by referring to Him as "our God," I pointed out the Germanic connections (Gott), which all scholars agree stem from idol worship. Even though this simple trace leads to idol worship, those who are opposed to the view I hold refused to regard it as "a bad thing." Instead, we have culturally redefined this word and have given it fresh new meaning, or something to that effect.

I still cannot help but be reminded of the fresh new meaning Christianity has given to the Saturnalia celebration. Yes, it's the same thing, only this time it's the Creator's title man has chosen to mess with.

In their defense, five years ago, I was told I hadn't proven a connection "beyond a reasonable doubt," as though the burden of proof had to be on those of my persuasion to somehow take him on a journey through time and space to literally, physically witness the stages of the various connections before he would believe me.

Although I still maintain that the burden of proof ... from the perspective of making certain that we honor YHWH's name ... should actually be for the opposition to prove there isn't a connection, I nevertheless continued in my own research and found an idol named Gad (pronounced "gawd") that was worshipped in ancient Ireland. This idol was identified as a serpent deity. In addition to this, I learned that the word pronounced "God" in Russian means "reptile." Sealing the connection is the fact that those ancient Irish folk simultaneously worshipped an idol whose name contained the title "Baal." Morever, even the idol "God" was actually referred to as "Gad-EL-Glas."

In spite of coming up with this added evidence of a connection, the opposition continues to maintain the same old, "You haven't proven a connection beyond a reasonable doubt." I believe I can safely declare the above response to be a broken record ... with the emphasis on the word broken. I keep asking if anyone can help me trace the origin of the ancient Irish words "Baal" and "El," but so far I have had "zero takers." Anyone want to help me with this? Have I bungled the connection somewhere? If so, where?

This brings me to some questions I asked way back on page five of this thread ... questions I have yet to see answered. Maybe someone will tackle them if I ask them again:

• It is a matter of fact that the word pronounced "gawd" in Russian means "reptile." Could this possibly be related to the worship of the idol of fortune named Gad (pronounced "gawd")? Moreover, is it just a coincidence that a Russian word containing the word "gad" (gadalka) means "fortune teller"?
• It is a matter of record that in ancient Ireland they worshipped Baal. Could you tell me where the worship of this idol can be traced?
• It is also a matter of record that in ancient Ireland the generic word for deity was "el." Could you please tell me where this word came from?
• Finally, it is also a matter of record that in ancient Ireland they worshipped an idol named Gad-el-glas, whose name translated literally means "Snake-Deity-Green," or as we would say it, "Green snake deity." Could you please tell me where the worship of the idol Gad (pronounced "gawd") comes from?

Could the word "GAD" (pronounced gawd) found within the ancient Irish idol named Gad-el-glas have the same point of origin as the name Baal?

I believe the answers to the above questions are obvious, but since they aren't persuasive enough for those who disagree with my point of view, I wonder why no one has ventured an answer. As Elyahc has highlighted, I have asked lots of questions that have gone unanswered, and so has he. If I have left any questions unanswered, I would like to have them pointed out to me.

Chuck and Elyahc, I appreciate all your hard work in researching this very important issue.

In closing, I invite those who are still sitting on the fence to read through all the posts and note how many times the opposing camp uses the word "honor" with regard to the name and titles we use in reference to our Heavenly Father. Regardless of how some may attempt to shift the focus away from it, I maintain this is still all about HONOR. Those of the other persuasion maintain we haven't proven a connection beyond a reasonable doubt. I maintain they haven't offered a shred of evidence that there isn't a connection.

May Yahweh bless!

Yours in Messiah,
Larry

Its like you said, people want you to take them on a long journey step by step back through History, time and space before they will accept a reality and believe conclusive proof.

However, IF those that oppose this reality concerning the word GAD=GAWD=GOD, GOTT, GODEN, GUD, GOTH,gothi, gaut, god,Gothi with WODEN,ÓDIN and think its an Honorable title/ name for the true Creator YAHWEH, then about as close as I can come to bringing them back through space and time is through the Etymology and History of these words through their respective use in past cultural society; which I think if they will carefully read that long post given the other day posted 01-22-2006 02:40 AM very carefully they can see the connections as Chuck did concerning ( Isa.65:11) and the modern day Children of Israel using these modern forms of these words.

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-11.html

One thing that I don't understand as a position of certain people, is that some think that we should never even investigate or check into these things that we have been taught all our lives to see if they are true with scriptures, and merely write it off as chasing pagan rabbit trails, as if we should just bury our heads in the sand, and accept everything that has been taught to us from childhood in our own modern society.

Still like you said, and so do I believe also that...

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Although I still maintain that the burden of proof ... from the perspective of making certain that we honor YHWH's name ... should actually be for the opposition to prove there isn't a connection.

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However, I maintain that there is overwhelming proof that there is a connection of the idol deity of ( Isa.65:11) to todays modern redefined title/ name of GAD=GAWD=GOD that people dis-honor the Father YAHWEH.

You said and asked....

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In spite of coming up with this added evidence of a connection, the opposition continues to maintain the same old, "You haven't proven a connection beyond a reasonable doubt." I believe I can safely declare the above response to be a broken record. I keep asking if anyone can help me trace the origin of the ancient Irish words "Baal" and "El," but so far I have had "zero takers." Anyone want to help me with this? Have I bungled the connection somewhere? If so, where?

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I keep asking if anyone can help me trace the origin of the ancient Irish words "Baal" and "El," but so far I have had "zero takers." Anyone want to help me with this? Have I bungled the connection somewhere? If so, where?

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I don't know if I understand you correctly or not, however, do you mean the plain words of " BAAL" and " EL " alone or do you mean they must have a connection to the "" ancient Irish culture or language"" ?

If you explain what it is exacly in more explicit detail that you want me to do, I will certainly try and help research it out.

You also said about the Saturnil( ie- modern new re-defined their own meaning of christ-mass), well they have done the same with Easter( ie-Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtoreth, as they have also re-defined their own meaning of it too)then say it HONORS the true Creator.

Well, I'm beginning to think and believe there is a distinction in WHOM they call on as the one they call creator, lower case "c " as they call upon their's as BAAL GAWD; and as we call upon the Name of YAHWEH as the scriptures comand us to do, for He is not their true Creator, or otherwise they would believe only in Him and His Name of YAHWEH.

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Chuck and Elyahc, I appreciate all your hard work in researching this very important issue.

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Your very much welcome Brother Larry, I did have other research sources on this matter, however, I cannot access them from this computer, but I only have them in my memory, and if people cannot read them or have access to them other than reading them from their computer themselves, they will never even attempt to believe merely what one themselves write or quote from sources that they must dig and look them up in libraries.

However, your very much welcome, and I want to thank You and June again for those well written and researched booklets.

If I can ever be of any assistance to you in any way, research or otherwise don't hesitate to ask, I will dig and dig, if there is anything to dig for concerning truth of scriptural subjects and History of words and their origination as has to do with scriptures.

And I will state your words and mine in closing, I invite those who are still sitting on the fence to read through all the posts and note how many times the opposing camp uses the word "honor" with regard to the name and titles we use in reference to our Heavenly Father. Regardless of how some may attempt to shift the focus away from it, I maintain this is still all about HONOR and DIS-HONOR of YAHWEH'S NAME. If those of the other persuasion maintain we haven't proven a connection beyond a reasonable doubt( as I do believe we have). I maintain they haven't offered a shred of evidence that there isn't a connection in any of their writings except avoiding the questions asked and the reality of this truth.

Yahweh be with you all Brother Chuck, and everyone and for certain Brother Larry and family, we love you all for standing up for the truth.

Elyahc= Eljah C.

Thank you for asking me to clarify some questions I asked in my last posting, which are actually questions I asked way back on page 5 of this thread. It may be that the reason no one answered back then is because no one understood the questions. Instead of rephrasing the questions, though, I would prefer to simply present my reasoning, and then ask you or anyone to explain any flaws in my thinking process. Here is what you wrote:

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I don't know if I understand you correctly or not, however, do you mean the plain words of " BAAL" and " EL " alone or do you mean they must have a connection to the "" ancient Irish culture or language"" ?

If you explain what it is exacly in more explicit detail that you want me to do, I will certainly try and help research it out.

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I reply: Let me put it to you this way:

I would like to think we all know the words "Baal" and "El" are found in the Hebrew text of Scripture, and that both terms are traceable to worship in ancient Israel/Canaan. These words, in original form, were honorable titles used in reference to YHWH, then later corrupted by man, who culturally redefined them as names for their idols. However, my main point here is that these two words, when tracing their origin, are traced to ancient Israel/Canaan. Agreed?

A point that you and I have made all along is the fact that the same can be said for the title/name "God." It is not traced to medieval Germany, India, or Africa. It is traced to ----> ancient Israel/Canaan, and as we know, this idol was also worshipped in ----> Haran.

Remember, those who believe it is "perfectly acceptable" to translate "Elohim" as "God" maintain the English/Germanic "God" cannot be traced to ancient Israel/Canaan's heathen idol whose name is pronounced "gawd."

With this in mind, I would like for those who are into tracing cultural and linguistic patterns to look up Germany and Ireland on a map. You will note that, as man migrated westward through Europe, Germany had to be a "stopping point" on the route to Ireland. Thus, if "God" came to be pronounced "Gott" in Germany due to whatever dialectical nuances caused this slight pronunciation difference, it is no surprise that it may have undergone other slight pronunciation variances in other parts of Europe, much the same as we recognize a "southern accent" here in the United States versus a "northern accent." As it turns out, though, "God" was pronounced gawd in ancient Ireland, just as it is pronounced in Hebrew. However, those who refer to YHWH as their "God" choose to disregard this fact as evidence linking this term to ancient Israel. They claim this doesn't "prove" a connection.

Since they do not recognize the Irish serpent idol "God" as being traced to ancient Israel/Canaan, I have to ask them to explain how they trace the Irish idols "Baal" and "El." Where do those terms originate??

In other words, to really simplify this question, before "Baal" worship found its way to Ireland, where was it found? And where was it found before that? And then where was it found before that ... and on and on until we arrive at the original "worship point" of Baal?

To this point, no one from the opposition has so much as addressed this question. I will now answer the question, and I invite anyone to demonstrate any errors in my reasoning process:

The "Baal" in the Irish idol's name Baal-tin-glas is traced to ----> ancient Israel/Canaan.

The "El" in the Irish idol by the name of Gad-el-Glas is traced to ----> ancient Israel/Canaan.

I believe the two above statements are a "given." I challenge anyone to demonstrate that my reasoning is flawed with the above. With this in mind ... knowing that the above two terms are traced to ancient Israel/Canaan, could it be ... might it be possible ... that the ancient Irish term "GAD" {pronounced gawd) is also traced to ----> ancient Israel/Canaan?

I will here point out that I was involved in this very same discussion last year, and my chief opponent, instead of denying the connection, attempted to discredit the scholar from whose work I obtained this information. I found the information regarding the Irish serpent idol Gad-el-Glas in a two-volume work published by a very renowned 19th century scholar named J. G. R. Forlong. His work is entitled Rivers of Life, which was published in 1883. My opponent went so far as to label Forlong as "messed up" in his research. Anyone who truly examines Forlong's research, however, will find he was "right on the money," so to speak.

Anyway, Elyahc, I hope this helps to establish my point. In a nutshell, if we can agree that the Irish Baal and El must be traced to ancient Israel/Canaan, then it should be a "given" that this is where the Irish Gad, pronounced gawd, is traced as well. This really shouldn't be as complicated as the opposition seems to try to make it out to be.

Before we had the Irish terms Baal and El to consider, I believe all the evidence we had regarding the Germanic Gott was very strong evidence of a connection, but it didn't establish the connection. Now that we have the additional connecting links of Baal and El, I believe the connection is virtually affirmed. The only reason I do not state that I am 100% convinced is because I really do try to be honest in my own research, and the only way I know of to be 100% certain is to take that literal journey through time and space to physically witness the spread of this term as man migrated through Europe. I am, however, 99.999% convinced.

May YHWH bless all!

In the love of YHWH through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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Anyway, Elyahc, I hope this helps to establish my point. In a nutshell, if we can agree that the Irish Baal and El must be traced to ancient Israel/Canaan, then it should be a "given" that this is where the Irish Gad, pronounced gawd, is traced as well. This really shouldn't be as complicated as the opposition seems to try to make it out to be.

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I agree again, as the Children of Israel( Mostly the Northern tribes) were scattered all throughtout the Gentile world, and as they migrated through Europe throughout the world they carried with them the deity known as ( Isa.65:11) of GAD=GAWD=GOD, GUWD= GUD, through German GOTT everywhere they went including Ireland and Scotland, Sweden, and Danish, and even eventually to America and even Australia.

If I can trace the modern Descendants of Ancient Israel merely through these deities as it is mentioned in ( Isa.65:11)throughout the known modern world then anyone else can do also, if they will only be interested enough with an open mind( Because YHWH said He would scatter them abroad)then they too can see and know this to be true even as CHUCK has begun to research this matter.

As I have said before, I also have studied and researched many different religious beliefs with scriptures over the past 24 years of my life, and there is one in particular that comes to mind as I have been on many religious forums since I received this computer back in ( Sept.2005) proving these things, and declaring the true YHWH and Messiah to the common people of these forums that will allow me to continue on their forums.

Well, I encountered a person on one forum that was of Israel( aka Bill) Hawkins in Texas persuasion who persisted that the Hebrew title of EL was of pagan origin( As some Encyclopedias will say too) that originated from the land of Caanan During Joshua son of Nun's time, and that the Children of Israel aquired this title of El from the Cannanites.

Well, he continually insisted on believing this, then, I finally pointed out to this person that the title of El was originally written by Moshe( Moses) in the first five books of the Torah and that Moses wrote these first five books BEFORE the Children of Israel even entered the land of Caanan, and Moses was NOT allowed to even enter the Land of Caanan and had even died before they entered the Land of Caanan( Deut.34:7; Joshua 1:2) to even aquire the Caananite language. This person was stunned to know this fact that Moses did not aquire the title of El in the first five books from the Caananites, because he was not allowed to enter the land of Caanan.

So much for buffalo Bill Israel Hawkins as he also taught that satan the devil was a she in scriptures.

Can you immagine reading (John 8:44) where Messiah said and called those Jews ... "" you are of your father the devil"" as saying """ you are of your MOTHER the devil ??

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Before we had the Irish terms Baal and El to consider, I believe all the evidence we had regarding the Germanic Gott was very strong evidence of a connection, but it didn't establish the connection. Now that we have the additional connecting links of Baal and El, I believe the connection is virtually affirmed. The only reason I do not state that I am 100% convinced is because I really do try to be honest in my own research, and the only way I know of to be 100% certain is to take that literal journey through time and space to physically witness the spread of this term as man migrated through Europe. I am, however, 99.999% convinced.

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Well, its impossibly for us today to take a literal journey through space and time to physically witness the spread of these terms as the Ancient Children of Israel was spread abroad as they migrated through Europe throughout the erets of the world, however, with YHWH all things are possibly, and I believe for that small percentage that do not want to be convinced by todays research in this matter as we have shown through these idol deity connections, that there will come a time in the future coming Kingdom of YHWH that He will have a way for to physically witness this to show people this spreading abroad of the Israelites throughout the erets of thee earth.

However, I too am fully convinced concerning the idol title of GAWD in ( Isa.65:11) and its connection to the modern day GOD of the Children of Israel.

Yahweh bless you Brother Larry,

In Messiah,

Elyahc= Eljah C.

Again, I applaud your zeal in tracing the origin of "Gawd," "Gûwd," "Gud," "Gott," etc., which has caused you to so diligently research this matter. You also present the view that we can actually trace our lineage by following the "Gawd" trail as it spread from Israel through Europe ... and eventually to the "gud ol' USA." I believe there is a "movement" sweeping this land causing many to wake up to their "Hebrew roots" ... not that this is anything to boast about by any means. For me, although this is cause to rejoice, it is also a sobering thought, for it is yet another partial fulfillment of the statement in Jeremiah 16:19:

¹⁹O Yahweh, my Strength and my Fortress, and my Refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto Thee from the ends of the earth and shall say, "Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity and things wherein there is no profit!"

I love my parents, I loved my grandparents. They, like the rest of us, are/were human and prone to error. Yet they inherited lies, which they in turn passed down to me.

I suggest a careful rereading of Jeremiah 16. The chapter opens on a very somber note, speaking of death. It is death by famine, disease and by the sword. This occurred at the time of the siege of Jerusalem by King Nebuchadnezzar. However, I am persuaded that this could be a dual prophecy, for I am reminded of all the suffering experienced over the course of time since the Babylonian Captivity. One thing that stands out is the Black Death, which reduced the population of Europe by one-fourth during the Middle Ages. It has been proven that this plague would have been prevented if Yahweh's Torah had been obeyed. In fact, since Jews of that time period were obeying Torah, and were thus generally unaffected by the Plague, they were actually accused of poisoning wells!

I bring this up because Jeremiah 16, I believe, speaks to this and other plagues that have come upon mankind because "our fathers have inherited lies":

¹⁰And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt show this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, "Wherefore hath Yahweh pronounced all this great evil against us? Or what is our iniquity? Or what is our sin that we have committed against Yahweh our Almighty?"
¹¹Then shalt thou say unto them, "Because your fathers have forsaken Me, saith Yahweh, and have walked after other mighty ones, and have served them, and have worshipped them and have forsaken Me, and have not kept My law!"

Again, if our ancestors (our "fathers") had only remained faithful to Yahweh, which includes obedience to His Torah, these evils, such as the Black Death, would not have come upon them. Yahweh gives us the answer to why this world is in such a mess right there in His Word, but few are able to see. Rather, just as "our fathers" taught during the Middle Ages, so it is taught today that Yahweh's law has been "done away."

This thread, however, is not about Yahweh's law. It is about His title(s). Nevertheless, the two are closely related. Yahweh's law prohibits the worship of idols; but this is clearly where this name/title originates, in spite of the opposing camp's attempts to refute it. Even the Hebrew scholars who translated the Septuagint understood that Leah, in naming Zilpah's son, had the idol of fortune in mind.

Equipped with this understanding, we know that as the descendants of Israel migrated through Europe, they brought their IDOL WORSHIP with them, just as prophesied. And they suffered for it. One of their idols was named Gad, pronounced gawd, which as Elyahc has plainly demonstrated with full documentation, appeared in various forms, such as "Guwd," "Gawd," "Gud" and "Gott." In various forms it appeared as the actual name of the idol, just as it was in Canaan; in other forms it appeared as a title for the idol they worshipped. Then, upon conversion to Christianity, this title was simply applied to the Creator ... as if such a thing could possibly honor Him. Thus, no matter how one chooses to trace the etymology of "God," you end up with idol worship.

But that's okay, they say. We have culturally and linguistically redefined this name and have given it a "gud" meaning! In fact, as one of the authors of the treatise "The Truth Regarding Inspired Titles" put it, "That's just the way the linguistic cookie crumbles!"

The 16th chapter of Jeremiah does end on an encouraging note. We learn in this chapter that Yahweh will no longer be so much remembered as the Almighty who brought the children of Israel up out of Egypt, but as "Yahweh liveth that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands (including USA) whither He had driven them!"

We're going home!! HalleluYah! And notice how the chapter ends:

²¹Therefore, behold! I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know Mine hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Yahweh!

Yahweh will not allow His children to mingle His worship with the names of idols. Is "God" an idol? Yes, it is. You can go right ahead and worship Him however you choose, call Him whatever you want ... at this time. But the day is coming when this will no longer be an option.

As Elyahc has vividly shown us, we can know that we are Israel simply by tracing the worship of Gawd, Gûwd, Gud, Gott, etc. It is time for Israel to wake up to the lies she has inherited from her "fathers," including the name/title we have been taught to apply to the Creator. We can now know our heritage with virtual certainty, as sordid as it is. The awesome news is that we also know what lies ahead! Let's not wait for YHWH to command us to not refer to Him as "our GOD"! Let's do it NOW! This is all about HONOR! If referring to YHWH as "God" honors Him, I would dearly love for someone to give us a detailed explanation as to how it honors Him! In sifting through the 13 pages of this thread, I have yet to read any such commentary. The only attempt that I can even halfway recognize as an "attempt" is the "name on one of the gates of the New Yerushalem" logic, which has been thoroughly refuted and exposed for the deceptive reasoning that it is.

Of course, the "name on one of the gates of the New Yerushalem" reasoning does contain a certain amount of truth. However, as we all need to remember, the danger of deception is that deception wouldn't be deception if it were obvious. The real danger of deception is that it appears reasonable and often contains a substantial amount of truth. As we have shown, though, having a certain name written on one of the gates of the New Yerushalem doesn't = Yahweh's permission to culturally redefine that name as one of His titles! Thus, if referring to YHWH as "our God" honors Him, I need a far better and more persuasive explanation from the opposing camp.

Until I read that explanation, I am persuaded that "God" is yet another LIE we have inherited, and on that basis I reject it as DISHONORABLE.

May YHWH bless all!

In the love of YHWH through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

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Hi, Elyahc:

Again, I applaud your zeal in tracing the origin of "Gawd," "Gûwd," "Gud," "Gott," etc., which has caused you to so diligently research this matter. You also present the view that we can actually trace our lineage by following the "Gawd" trail as it spread from Israel through Europe ... and eventually to the "gud ol' USA." I believe there is a "movement" sweeping this land causing many to wake up to their "Hebrew roots" ... not that this is anything to boast about by any means. For me, although this is cause to rejoice, it is also a sobering thought, for it is yet another partial fulfillment of the statement in Jeremiah 16:19:

¹⁹O Yahweh, my Strength and my Fortress, and my Refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto Thee from the ends of the earth and shall say, "Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity and things wherein there is no profit!"

I love my parents, I loved my grandparents. They, like the rest of us, are/were human and prone to error. Yet they inherited lies, which they in turn passed down to me.

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Absolutely as you have well said about Prophecy, and I too loved my parents, though my grandparents died before I was born, except for my grandmother on my mom's side of the family when I was 6 years old she died, though I still remember her very much, and yes they inherited lies, and I never started discovering this untill I was about 23 years of age when I lost my first born son, and as I was young and foolish for blaming the Creator for losing him, as this is what caused my indepth study of the scriptures to try to prove there was no Creator.

However, I also learned Etymology of words which words and names can undeniably prove and identify people's and cultures, which will also prove the validness of scriptures as it identifies ancient peoples that have grown into large modern peoples today, and I soon found myself actually proving the scriptures and the true Creator was in fact true and real.

This indepth study of scriptures also led to my conversion from YHWH in the scriptures themselves, and it is true as thee Apostle Paul wrote and said that the law or torah is our tutor that will lead us to Messiah, and as Messiah said, everyone taught of the Father YHWH will come or lead to Him-Messiah, however, modern religion has greatly misunderstood Paul's writings of the law or Torah and the scriptures as Peter said which I also believe was a prophecy by Peter( 2 Peter 3:15-16) that is being practiced today in modern religion.

The study together of these TWO FOLD REVEALINGS that I have discovered in the past in these two posts below of....

posted 01-14-2006 10:59 PM at.... http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-9.html

And.... posted 01-22-2006 02:40 AM at...
http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-11.html

These two post will prove 2 things, the connections of these idol deities from the Babylonians 1st beast kingdom in the book of Daniel to the Roman4th beast kingdom, and John's 1st beast in Revelation 13:1-2 are the same in identification as they were culturally re-defined in different cultures[/b]; and it also proves the second connection of the Children of Israel from ancient to modern times as they have carried this ONE AND THE SAME idol deity with them under different re-defining idol title/ names in different cultures to this modern age, which will absolutely prove the modern tribes of Israel's identification also.

I think it is a great honor to speak with you on this subject, as I read your booklets concerning this, and I knew from reading the booklets that you were a man to have an ear to hear about my discoveries( Thanks to YHWH and Messiah for such knowledge though)that i have researched long ago on this matter.

your absolutely correct on those Prophecies in ( Yer.(Jer.))as we will return, and many in modern tribes of Israel does wake up and realize who they really are in the latter days, however, many will realize this in the tribulation or Jacobs trouble in Captivity again, and YHWH will have to save them out of it.

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1.The word that came to Jeremiah from YHWH, saying,

2. Thus speaketh YHWH El of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

3. For, lo, the days come, saith YHWH, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith YHWH : and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

4.And these are the words that YHWH spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

5. For thus saith YHWH; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

6. Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

7. Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

8.For it shall come to pass in that day, saith YHWH, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

9. But they shall serve YHWH their El, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

10. Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, YHWH; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

11. For I am with thee, saith YHWH, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.( Yer.Jer.30:1-11)

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I do agree with you Brother Larry about those prophecies, and I CRY as i sit here writing this to you, for i know what is coming on our people's, that is WHY i run to as many of the forums as i can find to tell them the truth of scriptures as i speak out, and to tell them TO PLEASE WAKE UP and warn them.

Why want people wake up? Please wake up people much trouble is coming soon.

The Capitol letters is not referenced to show emotion, however, for people to NOTICE what is written, for as I write YHWH in all Capitols, I sometimes make mistakes because of this, though i was blessed with a photo memory, i can still make mistakes in writing, which proves i'm only human like everyone else, and not like these machines in which we use for communication.

I do not consider any man on this earth to be worshipped only YHWH, or neither do I judge any person either, whether they agree or disagree with me, I merely deemed it an honor to speak with other people on this forum, including you of like mind ( or otherwise)on this subject as all scriptural subjects.

If and when I write my own words( which is very few times, for most all times I write only the scriptures) merely to uplift people in the spirit( as i did commending you on those booklets i read), not bring them down in the spirit, for words can either cut and hurt like a knife, or they can be used to uplift and heal spiritually to encourage people to study the scriptures on these matters.

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( Thanks to YHWH and Messiah for such knowledge though, and not on my own, for i be a nothing and a nobody)

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However, I do not want people on here to mis-understand or misinterpret my posts, for I know what is coming on the modern day descendants of the Children of Israel if they do not repent of such inquities from the lies that we have inherited from our forefathers.

However, unless the modern descendants of the Children of Israel do not wake up and REPENT of transgressions and return to YHWH and obey His Law or Torah, which is the duty of all mankind( Ecc.12:13), then the punishment as is written in ( Yer.Jer.30:1-11)is sure to come.

And the reason that I did not quote verses 12- 13 of Jer.30is because I do not want people to think or to make myself out to be anything, and neither do i claim to be either, i'm a man like anyone else, and i did not want to down grade anyone else with verse 12 of Jer.30, but also read( Jer.30:17-22), but that Prophecy is meaning for the latter days as sure as ( Jer.23:20) says so, and as sure as the morning that will come tommorrow will come.

Yes i'm tired of thee abominations, and i go off to myself and cry( YHWH Knows) for i know what is coming and at all of the abominations that i see and that are going on in this land and the world today, but people love these abominations instead of hating them, as most of this worlds religious organization are now allowing sodomomites and unlawful drug pushers, users, and dealers in their midst also.

Love in Messiah,

Elyahc= Eljah C.

In the love of Yahweh through His Son Yeshua the Messiah,
Larry

The scriptures are very clear concerning the practice of " SYNCRETISIM " of idols with the FATHER YAHWEH which is Idolatry( Judges 2; 1 Kings 11:5-6) and the idol of " Baal GAWD=GOD "( Isa.65:11) or ANY other idol deity in SUBSTITUTION or CONNECTION to the FATHER YAHWEH is explicitly forbidden in the Torah, which caused many captivities of the Children of Israel, and caused YAHWEH'S anger was hot against them for Idolatry.

In ( Rev.13:15) is spoken of an idol image of the beast which is this world's Kingdoms, and the ONLY NAME/ title that is used by the beast kingdom, and the ONLY NAME/TITLE of blasphemy that is on the BABYLONIAN HARLOT( Rev.17:3-5)is the name/title of " Gad=1408=GAWD and 1409=GAWD from 1464=GUWD" and you can notice the " dg " pointing of this title/ name is none other than " GOD ".

When you look at the scriptural definition concerning the word "" POWER "" and "" NAME "", by its own explanation they mean the ONE AND THE SAME.

Example; In ( Acts 4:7) when they were asked "" By what POWER( ie-Authority) or by what NAME( ie-Authority) have you done this?"" They mean the ONE AND THE SAME, for the " NAME " is thee " POWER " and " AUTHORITY " concerning Messiah's Name( Acts 4:10).

Then, by the scriptures own definition of ( Rev.13:2) says the Dragon/ ie-satan( See Rev.12:9) gave power( ie-his name and authority) to the beast, and his seat and great authority.

Then, you will read...

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"" 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST.( See Dan.7:23) that the beast is a Kingdom, and a King is the same as his kingdom( See Rev.17:12)

4 AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE DRAGON( ie-satan the devil, see Rev.12:9) which gave POWER( ie-his name and authority) unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?( Rev.13:3-4).

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What is the Greek definition of a "" DEMON ""?

"""Result of search for "demon":
4151. pneuma pnyoo'-mah from 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare 5590."""

1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=devil

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=demon

Etymology of the word demon .

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Demon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In religion, folklore, and mythology a demon or demoness is a supernatural being that has generally been described as a malevolent spirit but outside Christian circles was viewed as a sort of elemental spirit: compare daemon and djinn. A demon is frequently depicted as a force that may be conjured and insecurely controlled. The "good" demon in recent use is largely a literary device (eg: Maxwell's demon). In common language, "demonizing" one's opponent is an aspersion.

As the Indo-Iranian Avestan and Vedic traditions and also other branches of Indo-European mythologies show, the notion of demon has existed for many centuries.

The Greek conception of a daemon (δαίμων) appears in the works of Plato and many other ancient authors, but without the evil connotations which are apparent in the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible and in the Greek originals of the New Testament. The medieval and neo-medieval conception of a "demon" in Western civilization (see the Medieval grimoire called the Ars Goetia) derives seamlessly from the ambient popular culture of Late (Roman) Antiquity: Greco-Roman concepts of daemons that passed into Christian culture are discussed in the entry daemon.The Hellenistic "Demon" eventually came to include many Semitic and Near Eastern gods as evaluated by Christianity.

In some present-day cultures, demons are still feared in popular superstition, largely due to their alleged power to possess humans, and they are an important concept in many modern religions and occultist traditions.

In the contemporary Western occultist tradition (perhaps epitomized by the work of Aleister Crowley) a demon, such as Choronzon, the "Demon of the Abyss", is a useful metaphor for certain inner psychological processes, though some may also regard it as an objectively real phenomenon.

Etymology
The idea of demons is as old as religion itself, and the word "demon" seems to have ancient origins. The Merriam-Webster dictionary gives the etymology of the word as Greek daimon, probably from the verb daiesthai meaning "to divide, distribute." The Proto-Indo-European root *deiwos for god, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "bright, shining" has retained this meaning in many related Indo-European languages and cultures (Sanskrit deva, Latin deus, German Tiw), but also provided another other common word for demon in Avestan daeva.

In greek, the word 'δαίμων', is the greek word for demon. But, in ancient greek, the word "δαίμων" means somebody very clever.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon

Now the connection with Proto Indo Europeans of Germanic and Indo Aryan= Assyrians.

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Deva (Hinduism)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Deva (देव in Devanagari script, pronounced as "dévə") is the Sanskrit word for "god, deity". It can be variously interpreted as a spirit, demi-god, celestial being, angel, deity or any supernatural being of high excellence. In Hindu mythology, the devas are opposed to the demonic Asuras.

Etymology

The word is from PIE *deiwos, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "shining", a PIE (not synchronic Sanskrit) vrddhi derivative from a root *diw "to shine", especially of the daylit sky. The feminine is Devi "goddess" (PIE *deiwih2). The cognate word in Avestan is daeva. In Zoroastrianism and the Avesta, the ahuras are supreme, while the daevas are demonic. This has been forwarded as an argument of a religious split between early Indo-Aryans and Iranians, but it should be noted that in early Vedic religion, some Asuras are still worshipped, so that it seems more likely that the Indo-Iranians, and probably already the Proto-Indo-Europeans (the Germanic Aesir are cognate to the Asuras) worshipped two classes of gods, without any moral dichotomy. Not to be confused is the PIE proper name *Dyeus which while from the same root, may originally have referred to the sky, and hence to "Father Sky", the chief god of the Indo-European pantheon, continued in Sanskrit Dyaus, Germanic Tiwaz. The English words "divine", "deity", Latin "deus", French "dieu", are cognates of deva. Today, Hindus also call a Deva as Devatā.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_deity

Now the connection to the Old English to the Proto Germanic and Proto Indo European.

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Aesir
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Old Norse, the AEsir (singular Áss, feminine Ásynja, feminine plural Ásynjur, Anglo-Saxon Ós, from Proto-Germanic *Ansuz) are the principal gods of the pantheon of Norse mythology. They include many of the major figures, such as ODIN, Frigg, Thor, Baldr and Tyr. A second clan of gods, the Vanir, is also mentioned in the Norse mythos: the god Njord and his children, Freyr and Freyja, are the most prominent Vanir gods who join the Æsir as hostages after a war between Æsir and Vanir. The Vanir appear to have mainly been connected with cultivation and fertility, the Æsir with power and war.

Etymology

The word áss, Proto-Germanic *ansuz is believed to be derived from Proto-Indo-European *ansu- 'breath, god' related to Sanskrit asura and Avestan ahura with the same meaning; though in Sanskrit asura came to mean 'demon'. The cognate Old English form to áss is os 'god, deity', as in the still-current surname Osgood, or the first names Oswin, Osbert, Oswald, Osborn, Osmund (but Oscar is an unrelated Gaelic name).

Snorri Sturluson's Euhemeristic in the 13th century connected the Æsir with Asia, an explanation repeated as late as in the 17th century by Schefferus, who held that Æsir referred to "Asian emperors", that is, a shamanistic hereditary leadership, emanating out from the Eurasian steppes into Europe in ancient times (compare Thraco-Cimmerians).

Ása is the genitive form of Áss. The form appears as a prefix to indicate membership in the AEsir in "Ása-Þórr", and also in the compound Ásatrú, a sect of Germanic Neopaganism.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesir

Please also see how this is connected to 'GOD=GAWD=GUWD '( Isa.65:11) and the Roman Jupiter as also it proves a connection of who the Old English of ' GOD' with ' ODIN ' with the modern day descendants of the Children of Israel to ancient Indo Aryan= Assyrians in post number posted 01-22-2006 02:40 AM at below...

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-11.html

Does anyone want to refute these connections from the Sanskrit thru. to Germanic to English?

Does anyone want to refute that the title of 'GOD 'is not in fact a title for demons , and as this is satan who is behind this idol title ' GOTT=GOD=GAWD=GUWD '( Isa.65:11)that is being worshipped in the latter days( Rev.13:1-17), which is also the title/ name of the image of the beast ?

Definition of Strongs Greek Dictionary 1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.

What is the definition of ""Dragon ""?

Result of search for "dragon":
1404. drakon drak'-own probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look); a fabulous kind of serpent (perhaps as supposed to fascinate):--dragon

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=dragon

Now " devil "?

Result of search for "devil":
1139. daimonizomai dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee middle voice from 1142; to be exercised by a dæmon:--have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil(-s).

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1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.
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1142. daimon dah'-ee-mown from daio (to distribute fortunes); a dæmon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature):--devil.
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1228. diabolos dee-ab'-ol-os from 1225; a traducer; specially, Satan (compare 7854):--false accuser, devil, slanderer.
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4190. poneros pon-ay-ros' from a derivative of 4192; hurtful, i.e. evil (properly, in effect or influence, and thus differing from 2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from 4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); figuratively, calamitous; also (passively) ill, i.e. diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, i.e. derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners:--bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked(-ness). See also 4191.
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4566. Satan sat-an' of Hebrew origin (7854); Satan, i.e. the devil:--Satan. Compare 4567.
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4567. Satanas sat-an-as' of Chaldee origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:--Satan.
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http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=devil

However look at this ONE HERE, "" 1140. daimonion dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.""

Then, we continue with ( Rev.13:5-7)...

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"" 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power( ie- his name and authority) was given unto him to continue forty and two months( 1260 years).

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against YAH, to blaspheme HIS NAME( ie-The Name of YAH and His Authority), and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

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Then, you will read in ...

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( Rev.13:8-9), "" 8 AND ALL THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH SHALL WORSHIP HIM( satan the devil and the beast kingdom), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.""

Then, you will read....""11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb( he looks Messiah like), and he spake as a dragon( or as satan the devil, See Rev.12:9).

12 And he exerciseth all the power( ie- his name and authority) of the first beast( Kingdom, See Dan.7:23; Rev.13:1, ie ROME) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein TO WORSHIP THE FIRST BEAST( See.Dan.7:23; Rev.13:1, ie- ROME), whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, THAT THEY SHOULD MAKE AN ( idol)IMAGE TO THE BEAST( Kingdom,See Dan.7:23; Rev.13:1, ie-ROME) which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the( idol) image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

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Now what is the Greek Definition of a " IDOL "?

"""Result of search for "idol":
1493. eidoleion i-do-li'-on neuter of a presumed derivative of 1497; an image-fane:--idol's temple.

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1497. eidolon i'-do-lon from 1491; an image (i.e. for worship); by implication, a heathen god, or (plural) the worship of such:--idol.
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3152. mataios mat'-ah-yos from the base of 3155; empty, i.e. (literally) profitless, or (specially), an idol:--vain, vanity.
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3434. Moloch mol-okh' of Hebrew origin (4432); Moloch (i.e. Molek), an idol:--Moloch.
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What is behind an idol deity?

Also as Shaul( Paul) said...

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( 1 Cor.10:19-20) 19. What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

20. But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils( demons), and not to YHWH: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils( or demons). ( See also Deut 32:17)

21. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Messiah, and the cup of devils( or demons): ye cannot be partakers of Yahushua's table, and of the table of devils( or demons)

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It is demons that are behind idol deities and idol images, and we are commanded to destroy other idol deities out of our mouths( Shemoth=Exod.23:13; Joshua 23:7 and out of the land( Deut.12), and from our midst also, as we know that no idolaters shall inherit or be in YAH'S Kingdom ( 1 Cor.5:10; 6:9; Eph.5:5; Rev.21:8; Rev.22:15), and worship YHWH in spirit and truth in obedience to His Law or Torah which is the Father YHWH'S will( Matt.7:21) for all mankind( Ecc.12:13), and live by every word of YHWH( Deut.8:3; Matt.4:4; Luke 4:4).

That is why ( 1 Yn. John 5:21) admonished us to...

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Little children, keep yourselves from idols.Ah-mein.( See also Rev.2:14,20; Rev.9:20)

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4481. Rhemphan hrem-fan' by incorrect transliteration for a word of Hebrew origin (3594); Remphan (i.e. Kijun), an Egyptian idol:--Remphan.

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=idol

However notice this ONE HERE, ""1497. eidolon i'-do-lon from 1491; an image (i.e. for worship); by implication, a heathen god, or (plural) the worship of such:--idol"""

Then you will read....,

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"""And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark( ie-a SIGN) in their right hand, or in their foreheads( or minds):

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or THE NAME of the beast, or the number of his name.

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The ONLY IDOL title/ name that this world's religious kingdoms use, and is in the foreheads or minds of the beast kingdom and its religious kingdoms, is the title/ names of the BABYLONIAN DEITY OF FORTUNE, which is none other than ( Isa.65:11), which is " GOD " ie-GAD=1408 and 1409=GAWD, from 1464= GUWD".

Thus, the whole world worships satan the devil( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) through the deception of this false BABYLONIAN IDOL DEITY DEMON called " GOD"=GAWD=GUD=GUWD=GOTT ", through satan's deception( Rev.12:9).

And they have his very mark or name in their right hand which symbolizes disobedience, and his name in their very foreheads or minds( Rev.13:16-17).

See the connection with post date posted 01-22-2006 02:40 AM at below....

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/HTML/002662-11.html

Otherwise, how could the whole world be deceived by satan( Rev.12:9) into worshipping him ( Rev.9:20-21; Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) in the LATTER DAYS?

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More information on the word GOD that is connected to the Roman deity Jupiter ie Zeus which was the idol worshipped by the Romans as they syncretized the Greek Zeus into their own to mean the one and the same deity, as this deity is connected to the idol deity of GAWD=GOD=GUWD=GUD=GOTT( Isa.65:11), and which identifies the modern day descendants of the children of Israel as is connected to this deity today.

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God (male deity)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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God, as a male deity, contrasts with female deities, or "goddesses". While the term 'goddess' specifically refers to a female deity, words like 'gods' and 'deities' can be applied to all gods collectively, regardless of gender. They don't necessarily refer to male gods in specific. This article focuses on the last category.

The most prominent trinity of Hinduism Trimurti (which can be seen as three aspects of the same God) is usually depicted as all male (Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu). In most polytheistic religions, both in history and in the present, male deities had the more prominent role. The Greek and Roman pantheon was ruled by Zeus or Jupiter, while Wodan had a similar role in the Germanic religion. When Egyptian religion developed closer to monotheism, it was Amun, a male god, who rose to the most prominent place.

War gods were, like the rulers of the pantheon, typically male, too; Ares/Mars and Toutatis are obvious examples. Wodan was both king of the gods and a god of war. Athena, a goddess also often associated with war and strategy, is a notable exception.

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Then the connection of this word GODto the German Odin of the Germanic roots of this deity.

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Odin is considered the highest god in Norse mythology and Norse paganism. His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war. He is also attested as being a god of magic, poetry, victory, and the hunt.

His name is, in Old Norse, Odinn. Although its precise meaning is debated, the name is thought to be related to the word óðr, meaning "excitation" or "fury".

Worship of Odin dates to Proto-Germanic paganism, and the names Old English (and Old Saxon) Wōden; Old Franconian Wodan; Alemannic Wuodan; German Wotan or Wothan; Lombardic Godan are synonymous with Odin, though they represent regional differences. The worship of Odin lasted longer in the north, and there his mythology continued to evolve. A result of this divergence is that not all the attributes of Norse Odin can be applied to the belief in this god in other regions and times. Odin probably rose to prominence during the Migration period, gradually displacing Tyr as the head of the pantheon in West and North Germanic cultures.

Etymology

The attested forms of the theonym are traditionally derived from Proto-Germanic *Wōđanaz[1] (in Old Norse word-initial *w- was dropped before rounded vowels and so the name became Ódinn). Adam von Bremen etymologizes the god worshipped by the 11th century Scandinavian pagans as "Wodan id est furor" ("Wodan, which means 'fury'"). An obsolete alternate etymology, which has been adhered to by many early writers including Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa in his Libri tres de occulta philosophia, is to give it the same root as the word god itself, from its Proto-Germanic form gud. This is not tenable today, except for the Lombardic name Godan, which may go back to *guđanaz (see also gothi, gaut, god).

Gothi
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[QUOTE] The term gothi (goði), in Norse mythology, refers to the person who administered the Blóts. However in modern Odinism and Ásatrú this is a priest, the female equivalent being gythja. Gothi take care of pastoral, administration and some spiritual requirements.

Odinism and Ásatrú holds, as in Protestantism, that no person can mediate between humans and the gods, so the role of the gothi differs in some major respects to the duties of a Catholic priest, for instance. A gothi is often selected based on practical aspects rather than spiritual, for instance having a strong voice so that everybody can hear him.

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Gaut
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Gautr, Gauti, Guti, Gothus and Geats are name forms based on the same Proto-Germanic root, *Guđ- (see god). Gapt is considered to be a corruption of Gaut (Gaut→Gavt→Gaft→Gapt, cf. eftir and eptir, "after" in Old Norse).

The names may represent the eponymous founder of an early tribe ancestral to the Gautar (Geats), Gutans (Goths) and Gutar (Gotlanders). Gaut was one of Odin's names and the name forms are thought to be echoes of an ancient ancestry tradition among Germanic tribes, such as that of Yngvi and the Ingaevones.

The names Geats, Goths and Gutar are closely related tribal names. Geat was originally Proto-Germanic *Gautoz and Goths and Gutar were *Gutaniz. According to Andersson (1996), *Gautoz and *Gutaniz are two ablaut grades of a Proto-Germanic word with the meaning "to pour" (modern Swedish gjuta, modern German giessen) designating the tribes as "pourers of semen" or "men".

Some versions of the English royal line of Wessex add names above that of Woden, purportedly giving Woden's ancestry, though the names are now usually thought be in fact another royal lineage that has been at some stage erroneously pasted onto the top of the standard genealogy. Some of these genealogies end in Geat, whom it is reasonable to think might be Gaut. The account in the Historia Britonum calls Geat a son of a god which fits. But Asser in his Life of Alfred writes instead that the pagans worshipped this Geat himself for a long time as a god. In Old Norse texts Gaut is itself a very common byname for ODIN.

Jordanes in The origin and deeds of the Goths traces the line of the Amelungs up to Hulmul son of Gapt, purportedly the first Gothic hero of record. This Gapt is felt by many commentators to be an error for Gaut or Gauti. Nennius reports that a Gothus was the ancestor of the Goths.

The Gutasaga, which treats the history of Gotland before its Christianization, begins with Tielvar and his son Havde, who had three sons, Graip, Guti and Gunfjaun, who were the ancestors of the Gotlanders, the Gutar (which is originally the same name as Goths).

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GOD-Etymology

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Earliest attestation of the Germanic word in the 6th century Codex Argenteus (Mt 5:9)The word God continues Old English/Germanic god (guþ, gudis in Gothic, gud in modern Scandinavian and Gott in modern German), from Proto-Germanic *ǥuđan. The original meaning and etymology of the Germanic word god has been hotly disputed, though most agree to a reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form *khutóm, which is the neuter passive perfect participle of the root *khu-, which likely meant "libation", "sacrifice". Compare:-

Vedic Sanskrit hu- = "to sacrifice".
Greek khu-, kheu- = "to pour".
Common Germanic strong verb *geutan (Anglo-Saxon gēotan) = "to pour", English in-'got'.
The connection between these meanings is likely via the meaning "pour a libation". Another possible meaning of *khutóm is "invocation", related to Sanskrit hūta.

The same root appears in the names of three related Germanic tribes, the Geats, the Goths and the Gutar. These names may be derived from an eponymous chieftain Gaut who was subsequently deified, who sometimes appears in early Medieval sagas as a name of Odin or one of his descendants, a former king of the Geats (Gaut(i)), an ancestor of the Gutar (Guti), of the Goths (Gothus) and of the royal line of Wessex (Geats) and as a previous hero of the Goths (Gapt). The Lombardic form of Odin, Godan, may derive from cognate Proto-Germanic *Guđánaz.

The word God was used to represent Greek Theos, Latin Deus in Bible translations, first in the Gothic translation of the New Testament by Ulfilas. For the etymology of deus, see *dyeus. Greek theos is possibly unrelated, and of uncertain origin. De Saussure tentatively connected Baltic and Germanic words for "spook", ultimately cognate with Latin fumus "smoke".

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Dyeus
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[QUOTE]Dyēus is the reconstructed chief god of the Proto-Indo-European pantheon. He was the god of the daylit sky, and his position may have mirrored the position of patriarch or king in society.

Later gods who are etymologically connected with Dyeus include

Greek Zeus,
Roman Jupiter (from Deus Pater),
Vedic Dyaus Pita,
Germanic Tiwaz (later known as Tyr),
Baltic Dievas,
Slavic Div,
Gaulish Dis Pater,
and probably Phrygian Sabazios (from Saba Zeus).

Also etymologically connected is the Latin word for 'god', deus, the word for the Christian God used by the Roman Catholic Church. The latin word is also continued in English divine, deity, and the original Germanic word remains visible in Tuesday (originally "Day of Tiwaz").

Dyeus was addressed as Dyeu Phter, literally "Sky Father" or "shining father", as reflected in Latin Jupiter, Greek Zeu pater, Sanskrit Dyau Pita. In his aspect as a Father God, his consort was Pltvi Mhter, "Earth Mother".

As the pantheons of the individual Indo-European mythologies evolved, attributes of Dyeus were sometimes redistributed to other, newer gods.

In Greek and Roman mythology, Dyeus remained the chief god, while in Vedic and Germanic mythology, the etymological continuants of Dyeus became pale, rather featureless gods, and his original attributes, and his dominance over other gods, were transferred to gods whose names cannot be reconstructed for Proto-Indo-European times, such as Odin, Thor or Indra.

See also: Proto-Indo-European religion

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So, as you can SEE the whole world universally worships the idol image of the Roman beast and satan the devil( Rev.13:3-4; Rev.13:8; Rev.13:16-17) through deception( Rev.12:9) by this universal Babylonian deity of fortune=GAD=GAWD 1408, 1409=GOD( Isa.65:11)==the Roman( Dan.7:23, 4th beast, John's 1st and extended beast( Rev.13:1-17) of which is an image of JUPITER / ZEUS .

It should be noted at this point that Old Norse had two different words spelled óðr, one an adjective and the other a noun. The adjective means '"mad, frantic, furious, violent."[2] It is cognate with Old English wōd.[3] The noun means "mind, wit, soul, sense" and "song, poetry."[4] It is cognate with Old English wōþ. In compounds, óð- means "fiercly, energetic" (e.g. óð-málugr "speaking violently, excited").

Both Old Norse words are from Proto-Germanic *wōþuz[5], continuing pre-Proto-Germanic *wātus[6]. An extra-Germanic cognate is Proto-Celtic *wātus "mantic poetry" (continued in Irish fáith, "poet," and Welsh gwawd , "praise-poetry") and Latin vātes, "prophet, seer" (a possible loan from Proto-Celtic *wātis, Gaulish ουατεις ;). A possible, but uncertain, cognate is Sanskrit api-vat-, "to excite, awaken" (RV 1.128.2). The Proto-Indo-European meaning of the root is therefore reconstructed as relating to spiritual excitation. The Old Norse semantic split is reflected in Adam von Bremen's testimony of the synchronic understanding of the name as "fury" rather than "poetry" or similar.

Meid[7] suggested Proto-Germanic *-na- as a suffix expressing lordship ("Herrschersuffix"), in view of words like Odin's name Herjann, ("lord of armies"), drótinn ("lord of men") and þjóðann ("lord of the nation"), which would result in a direct translation of "lord of spiritual energy", "lord of poetry" or similar. It is sufficient, however, and more common, to assume a more general meaning of pertinence or possession for the suffix, inherited from PIE *-no-, to arive at roughly the same meaning.

Rübekeil (2003:29)[8] draws attention to the suffix variants *-ina- (in Óðinn) vs. *-ana- (in Woden, Wotan). This variation, if considered at all, was dismissed as "suffix ablaut" by earlier scholars. There are, however, indications from outside Old Norse of a suffix *-ina-: English Wednesday (rather than *Wodnesday) via umlaut goes back to *wōđina-. Rübekeil concludes that the original Proto-Germanic form of the name was *Wōđinaz, yielding Old Norse Óðinn and unattested Anglo-Saxon *Wēden, and that the attested West Germanic forms are early medieval "clerical" folk etymologies, formed under the impression of synchronic association with terms for "fury".

The pre-Proto-Germanic form of the name would then be *Wātinos. Rübekeil suggests that this is a loan from Proto-Celtic into pre-Proto-Germanic, referring to the god of the *wātis, the Celtic priests of mantic prophecy, so that the original meaning of the name would be "he [the god/lord] of the Vates" (p. 33), which he tentatively identifies with Lugus (p. 40).[/QUOTE]

Odin and Mercury

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Less is known about the role of Odin as receiver of the dead among the more southern Germanic tribes. The Roman historian Tacitus probably refers to Odin when he talks of Mercury. The reason is that, like Mercury, Odin was regarded as Psychopompos, "the leader of souls".

Julius Caesar calls Mercury the "deum maxime" of the Germans in De Bello Gallico 6.17.1.

Paulus Diaconus (or Paul the Deacon), writing in the late 8th century, tells that Odin (Guodan) was the chief god of the Langobards and, like earlier southern sources, he identifies Odin with Mercury (History of the Langobards, I:9). Because of this identification, Paulus adds that the god Guodan, "although held to exist [by Germanic peoples], it was not around this time, but long ago, and not in Germania, but in Greece" where the god originated. Robert Wace also identifies Wotan with Mercury. Viktor Rydberg, in his work on Teutonic Mythology, draws a number of other parallels between Odin and Mercury, such as the fact that they were both responsible for bringing poetry to mortals.

Similarly, Ammianus Marcellinus most likely references Odin and Thor in his history of the later Roman Empire as Mercury and Mars, respectively, though a direct association is not made. This, however, underlines a particular problem concerning ancient Greek and Roman sources. Historians from both cultures, during all periods, believed the deities of foreign cultures to merely be their own gods under different names. Such an example may be found in Herodotus' association of an Egyptian Ram-headed god (most probably Chnum) with Zeus. Later, Medieval historians followed the older tradition and likewise made such associations. However, there is no historical evidence to suggest that these are valid connections and as such they should not be taken as historical fact.

Celtic parallels

Parallels between Odin and Lugus have often been pointed out: both are intellectual gods, commanding magic and poetry. Both have ravens and a spear as their attributes, and both are one-eyed. Julius Caesar (de bello Gallico, 6.17.1), who mentions Mercury as the chief god of Celtic religion. However, most of our souces concerning Celtic Lugus are Insular Celtic, while sources discussing Gaulish Lugus are rare, although his importance is manifest from the numerous toponyms containing the name (Lugdunum etc.). Lucanus mentions a trinity of highest Celtic gods, Teutates, Esus and Taranis. Teutates is characterized as the lord of battles, identified with Mars (but also with Mercury), and he receives as human sacrifices drowned captives and fallen warriors. Esus is the god of merchants, identified with Mercury (but also with Mars), and he accepts as human sacrifices prisoners that are hung on trees and then dismembered. Taranis is identified with Jupiter, and he is a warlord and a sky god. Human sacrifices to Taranis are made by burning prisoners in wooden casks.

The Celtic priests administring the human sacrifices were the Vates. Lugus is strangely not mentioned by Lucanus at all. The suggestion of Rübekeil (2003:38), in view of his hypothesis of a Celtic origin of the Germanic god discussed above, is that Lugus refers to the trinity Teutates-Esus-Taranis considered as a single god. An etymological reflex of Celtic Lugus is possibly found in Loki (a Germanic god described as a "hypostasis of Odin" by Folke Ström). A likely context of the diffusion of elements of Celtic ritual into Germanic culture is that of the Chatti, who lived at the Celtic-Germanic boundary in Hesse during the final centuries BC (the Chatti are traditionally considered a Germanic tribe, but many of their leaders and their settlements had Celtic names). It must be remembered that Odin in his Proto-Germanic form was not the chief god, but that he only gradually replaced Tyr during the Migration period.

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Zeus From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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Phidias created the 12-m (40-ft) tall statue of Zeus at Olympia about 435 BC. The statue was perhaps the most famous sculpture in ancient Greece, imagined here in a 16th-century engraving.Zeús or Dzeús (Greek Ζεύς ;) or Dias (Greek Δίας ;) ("divine king") is the leader of the gods and god of the sky and thunder in Greek mythology.

Zeus is the continuation of Dyeus, the supreme god in Indo-European religion, also continued as Vedic Dyaus Pitar (cf. Jupiter) , and as Tyr (Ziu, Tiw, Tiwaz) in Germanic and Norse mythology. Tyr was however supplanted by Odin as the supreme god among the Germanic tribes and they did not identify Zeus/Jupiter with either Tyr or Odin, but with Thor.

In addition to his Indo-European inheritance, the classical Zeus also derives certain iconographic traits from the cultures of the ancient Near East, such as the scepter.

Panhellenic cults of Zeus
The major center at which all Greeks converged to pay honor to their chief god was Olympia. The quadrennial festival there featured the famous Games. There was also an altar to Zeus made not of stone, but of ash - from the accumulated remains of many centuries' worth of animal victims immolated there.

Outside of the major inter-polis sanctuaries, there were certain modes of worshipping Zeus that were shared across the Greek world. Most of the above titles, for instance, could be found at any number of Greek temples from Asia Minor to Sicily. Certain modes of ritual were held in common as well: sacrificing a white animal over a raised altar, for instance.

On the other hand, certain cities had Zeus-cults that operated in markedly different ways

Some local Zeus-cults
In addition to the Panhellenic titles and conceptions listed above, local cults maintained their own idiosyncratic ideas about the king of gods and men. A few examples are listed below.

On Crete, Zeus was worshipped at a number of caves at Knossos, Ida and Palaikastro. The stories of Minos and Epimenides suggest that these caves were once used for incubatory divination by kings and priests. The dramatic setting of slowly turned him into a deity. The works of Euhemerism have not survived, but Christian patristic writers took up the suggestion with enthu

Laconian kylix of the 6th century BC, showing Zeus Lykaios with an eagle.The title looks a lot like lykos "wolf". This semantic ambiguity is reflected in the strange cult of Zeus Lykaios in the backwoods of where the god takes on both lucent and lupine features. On the one hand, he presides over Mt Lykaion ("the bright mountain") the tallest peak in Arcadia, and home to a precinct in which, allegedly, no shadows were ever cast (Pausanias 8.38). On the other hand, he is connected with Lycaon ("the wolf-man") whose ancient cannibalism was commemorated with bizarre, recurring rites.

According to Plato (Republic 565d-e), a particular clan would gather on the mountain to make a sacrifice every eight years to Zeus Lykaios, and a single morsel of human entrails would be intermingled with the animal's. Whoever ate the human flesh was said to turn into a wolf, and could only regain human form if he did not eat again of human flesh until the next eight-year cycle had ended.

Although etymology dicates that Zeus was originally a sky god, many Greek cities honored Zeuses who lived underground. Athenians and Sicilians honored Zeus Meilichios ("kindly" or "honeyed") while other cities had Zeus Chthonios ("earthy"), Katachthonios ("under-the-earth) and Plousios ("wealth-bringing"). These deities might be represented indifferently as snakes or men in visual art. They also received offerings of black animal victims sacrificed into sunken pits, as did chthonic deities like Persephone and Demeter, and also the heroes at their tombs. Olympian gods, by contrast, usually received white victims sacrificed upon raised altars.

In some cases, cities were not entirely sure whether the daimon to whom they sacrificed was a hero or an underground Zeus. Thus the shrine at Lebadaea in Boeotia might belong to the hero Trophonius or to Zeus

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God
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Earliest attestation of the Germanic word in the 6th century Codex Argenteus (Mt 5:9)The word God continues Old English/Germanic god (guþ, gudis in Gothic, gud in modern Scandinavian and Gott in modern German), from Proto-Germanic *Guđan. The original meaning and etymology of the Germanic word god has been hotly disputed, though most agree to a reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form *khutóm, which is the neuter passive perfect participle of the root *khu-, which likely meant "libation", "sacrifice". Compare:-

Vedic Sanskrit hu- = "to sacrifice".
Greek khu-, kheu- = "to pour".
Common Germanic strong verb *geutan (Anglo-Saxon gēotan) = "to pour", English in-got.
The connection between these meanings is likely via the meaning "pour a libation". Another possible meaning of *khutóm is "invocation", related to Sanskrit hūta.

The same root appears in the names of three related Germanic tribes, the Geats, the Goths and the Gutar. These names may be derived from an eponymous chieftain Gaut who was subsequently deified, who sometimes appears in early Medieval sagas as a name of Odin or one of his descendants, a former king of the Geats (Gaut(i)), an ancestor of the Gutar (Guti), of the Goths (Gothus) and of the royal line of Wessex (Geats) and as a previous hero of the Goths (Gapt). The Lombardic form of Odin, Godan, may derive from cognate Proto-Germanic *Guđánaz.

The word God was used to represent Greek Theos, Latin Deus in Bible translations, first in the Gothic translation of the New Testament by Ulfilas. For the etymology of deus, see *dyeus. Greek theos is possibly unrelated, and of uncertain origin. De Saussure tentatively connected Baltic and Germanic words for "spook", ultimately cognate with Latin fumus "smoke".

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Dyaus Pita
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In vedic religion, Dyaus Pita is the Sky Father, husband of Prthivi and father of Agni and Indra (RV 4.17.4).

His origins can be traced to the Indo-European sky god *Dyeus, who is also reflected as Zeus in Greek mythology, Jupiter (from Latin Iove pater, "father-god") in Roman mythology, Div in Slavic mythology and Tyr in Norse mythology.

Sharing a fate similar to nordic Tyr's, already in the Rig Veda, Dyaus Pita is all but featureless, appearing in hymns 1.89, 1.90, 1.164, 1.191 and 4.1 in simple invocations.

In RV 1.89.4b, Pita Dyaus "Father Sky" appears alongside Mata Prthivi "Mother Earth".

Details of the myth are sketchy, but Indra seems to have killed his father (RV 4.18.12). Thomas Oberlies tentatively identifies Asura and Dyaus in pre-vedic religion (both appear as Indra's father, but Asura is never associated with Prthivi, so there is a possibility of two conflicting myths).

In art, he appears in two different forms: as a red bull who bellows thunder, or as a black horse adorned with pearls, symbolizing the stars.

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See also....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyr

And also....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_%28god%29

Jupiter (god)
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In Roman mythology, Jupiter held the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He was called Jupiter Optimus Maximus (Jupiter Highest, Greatest) as the patron deity of the Roman state, in charge of laws and social order. Jupiter is, properly speaking, a derivation of Jove and pater (Latin for father)

This article focuses on Jupiter in early Rome and in cultic practice. For information on mythological accounts of Jupiter, which are heavily influenced by Greek mythology, see Zeus.

The name of the god was also adopted as the name of the planet Jupiter, and was the original namesake of the weekday that would come to be known in English as Thursday (the etymological root is more apparent in French jeudi, from Jovis Dies). Ironically, linguistic studies identify him as deriving from the same god as the Germanic Tiwaz (and Zeus), whose name was given to Tuesday. Another etymological reference is Dyaus Pita of the Vedic religion.

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Tyr
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For other uses of this term, see Tyr (disambiguation).

Týr, depicted here with both hands intact, is identified with Mars in this illustration from an 18th century Icelandic manuscript.Tyr (Old Norse: Týr) is the god of warfare and battle in Norse mythology, portrayed as a one-handed man. He was a son of either Odin or Hymir. Corresponding names in other Germanic languages include Tyz (Gothic), Ty (Old Norwegian), Ti (Old Swedish), Tiw, Tiu or Tew (Old English) Týr (Modern Icelandic), and Ziu (Old High German).

Origins

The name[b] Tyr meant "god" (cf. Hangatyr, the "god of the hanged" as one of Odin's names) and goes back to a Proto-Germanic Tîwaz, continuing Proto-Indo-European Dyeus, originally the chief god, the precursor also of e. g. Zeus in Greek mythology, and Dyaus Pitar in Vedic religion. The oldest attestation of the god is Gothic Tyz (Vienna cod. 140 [1])

Tîwaz was overtaken in popularity and in authority by Odin at some point in both the North Germanic and West Germanic traditions. Among East Germanic tribes, however, he seems to have remained the supreme god: the Goths of the 3rd century were feared because they sacrificed the captives they took in battle to Tyz, their god of war, and then hung the arms of the victims in trees as a token-offering.

This custom of human sacrifice seems to have been transferred to Odin in Scandinavia, as reported by Adam von Bremen in the 11th century (compare also Odin himself hanging from a tree as a sacrifice to himself in the Havamal).

It is possible that the transfer of supremacy from Tyr to Odin was facilitated by the Germanic custom of diarchy (see Germanic king and c.f. e.g. Hengest and Horsa, Yngvi and Alf and Erik and Alrik), so that the two gods might have ruled the early Germanic pantheon as equals at some point. A trace of their relationship may be seen in the appearance of Tyr as Odin's son in Norse mythology, and also in Anglo-Saxon, if Tiw is identified with Saxnot (Seaxneat), the 'war-god' and son of Woden, who was revered as the ancestor of the Saxons. In an earlier version, Tyr may have been the son of Hymir, as he is in Hymiskviða (cf. Zeus being a son of Chronos).

There is sketchy evidence of a consort, in German named Zisa: Tacitus mentions one Germanic tribe who worshipped "Isis", and Jacob Grimm pointed to Cisa/Zisa, the patroness of Augsburg, in this connection. The name Zisa would be derived from Ziu etymologically, in agreement with other consorts to the chief god in Indo-European pantheons, e. g. Zeus and Dione.[/quote]

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Jupiter (god)
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In Roman mythology, Jupiter held the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He was called Jupiter Optimus Maximus (Jupiter Highest, Greatest) as the patron deity of the Roman state, in charge of laws and social order. Jupiter is, properly speaking, a derivation of Jove and pater (Latin for father)

This article focuses on Jupiter in early Rome and in cultic practice. For information on mythological accounts of Jupiter, which are heavily influenced by Greek mythology, see Zeus.

The name of the god was also adopted as the name of the planet Jupiter, and was the original namesake of the weekday that would come to be known in English as Thursday (the etymological root is more apparent in French jeudi, from Jovis Dies). Ironically, linguistic studies identify him as deriving from the same god as the Germanic Tiwaz (and Zeus), whose name was given to Tuesday. Another etymological reference is Dyaus Pita of the Vedic religion

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Hence you can see by the practice ofsyncretisim of the whole world has been and still is, which is Idolatry to YAHWEH.

Thought you might want a little history on " gott, gud, guth, god, gawd" and how they connect to the deity of Jupiter/Zeus through Germanic roots into the English god and jupiter /zeusie- the idol image deity of the beast and satan( Rev.13:1-17), and how it connects to Babylon the great, the mother and her harlotsof ( Rev.17 and 18).

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The name of the god was also adopted as the name of the planet Jupiter, and was the original namesake of the weekday that would come to be known in English as Thursday (the etymological root is more apparent in French jeudi, from Jovis Dies).[b] Ironically, linguistic studies identify him as deriving from the same god as the Germanic Tiwaz (and Zeus), whose name was given to Tuesday. Another etymological reference is Dyaus Pita of the Vedic religion.

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Tyr
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For other uses of this term, see Tyr (disambiguation).

Týr, depicted here with both hands intact, is identified with Mars in this illustration from an 18th century Icelandic manuscript.Tyr (Old Norse: Týr) is the god of warfare and battle in Norse mythology, portrayed as a one-handed man. He was a son of either Odin or Hymir. Corresponding names in other Germanic languages include Tyz (Gothic), Ty (Old Norwegian), Ti (Old Swedish), Tiw, Tiu or Tew (Old English) Týr (Modern Icelandic), and Ziu (Old High German).

Origins

The name[b] Tyr meant "god" (cf. Hangatyr, the "god of the hanged" as one of Odin's names) and goes back to a Proto-Germanic Tîwaz, continuing Proto-Indo-European Dyeus, originally the chief god, the precursor also of e. g. Zeus in Greek mythology, and Dyaus Pitar in Vedic religion. The oldest attestation of the god is Gothic Tyz (Vienna cod. 140 [1])

Tîwaz was overtaken in popularity and in authority by Odin at some point in both the North Germanic and West Germanic traditions. Among East Germanic tribes, however, he seems to have remained the supreme god: the Goths of the 3rd century were feared because they sacrificed the captives they took in battle to Tyz, their god of war, and then hung the arms of the victims in trees as a token-offering.

This custom of human sacrifice seems to have been transferred to Odin in Scandinavia, as reported by Adam von Bremen in the 11th century (compare also Odin himself hanging from a tree as a sacrifice to himself in the Havamal).

It is possible that the transfer of supremacy from Tyr to Odin was facilitated by the Germanic custom of diarchy (see Germanic king and c.f. e.g. Hengest and Horsa, Yngvi and Alf and Erik and Alrik), so that the two gods might have ruled the early Germanic pantheon as equals at some point. A trace of their relationship may be seen in the appearance of Tyr as Odin's son in Norse mythology, and also in Anglo-Saxon, if Tiw is identified with Saxnot (Seaxneat), the 'war-god' and son of Woden, who was revered as the ancestor of the Saxons. In an earlier version, Tyr may have been the son of Hymir, as he is in Hymiskviða (cf. Zeus being a son of Chronos).

There is sketchy evidence of a consort, in German named Zisa: Tacitus mentions one Germanic tribe who worshipped "Isis", and Jacob Grimm pointed to Cisa/Zisa, the patroness of Augsburg, in this connection. The name Zisa would be derived from Ziu etymologically, in agreement with other consorts to the chief god in Indo-European pantheons, e. g. Zeus and Dione.[/quote]

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Odin
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Odin (Old Norse Óðinn) is considered the highest god in Norse mythology and Norse paganism, like West Germanic WODEN continuing Proto-Germanic *WODANAZ.[/b]

His name is related to óðr, meaning "excitation," "fury" or "poetry," and his role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war. He is also attested as being a god of magic, poetry, victory, and the hunt.

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[quote]Wodanaz
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*Wōdanaz or *Wōdinaz is the reconstructed Proto-Germanic name of god of Germanic paganism, known as ÓDINN in Norse mythology, WODEN in Old English, WODAN or WOTAN in High German and GODAN in Lombardic. He is in all likelihood identical with the Germanic god identified as Mercury by Roman writers.

ODIN probably rose to prominence during the Migration period, gradually displacing TYR as the head of the pantheon in West and North Germanic cultures.

Etymology Wodanaz

The attested forms of the theonym are traditionally derived from Proto-Germanic *Wōđanaz[1] (in Old Norse word-initial *w- was dropped before rounded vowels and so the name became ÓDINN ). Adam von Bremen etymologizes the god worshipped by the 11th century Scandinavian pagans as "Wodan id est furor" ("WODAN, which means 'fury'"). An obsolete alternate etymology, which has been adhered to by many early writers including Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa in his Libri tres de occulta philosophia, is to give it the same root as the word ' god 'itself, from its Proto-Germanic form *Guđ-. This is not tenable today, except for the Lombardic name Godan, which may go back to *Guđ-anaz (see also godi, gaut, god).

It should be noted at this point that Old Norse had two different words spelled óðr, one an adjective and the other a noun. The adjective means '"mad, frantic, furious, violent."[2] It is cognate with Old English wōd.[3] The noun means "mind, wit, soul, sense" and "song, poetry."[4] It is cognate with Old English wōþ. In compounds, óð- means "fiercly, energetic" (e.g. óð-málugr "speaking violently, excited").

Both Old Norse words are from Proto-Germanic *wōþuz[5], continuing pre-Proto-Germanic *wātus[6]. An extra-Germanic cognate is Proto-Celtic *wātus "mantic poetry" (continued in Irish fáith, "poet," and Welsh gwawd, "praise-poetry") and Latin vātes, "prophet, seer" (a possible loan from Proto-Celtic *wātis, Gaulish ουατεις). A possible, but uncertain, cognate is Sanskrit api-vat-, "to excite, awaken" (RV 1.128.2). The Proto-Indo-European meaning of the root is therefore reconstructed as relating to spiritual excitation. The Old Norse semantic split is reflected in Adam von Bremen's testimony of the synchronic understanding of the name as "fury" rather than "poetry" or similar.

Meid[7] suggested Proto-Germanic *-na- as a suffix expressing lordship ("Herrschersuffix"), in view of words like Odin's name Herjann, ("lord of armies"), drótinn ("lord of men") and þjóðann ("lord of the nation"), which would result in a direct translation of "lord of spiritual energy", "lord of poetry" or similar. It is sufficient, however, and more common, to assume a more general meaning of pertinence or possession for the suffix, inherited from PIE *-no-, to arive at roughly the same meaning.

Rübekeil (2003:29)[8] draws attention to the suffix variants *-ina- (in ÓDINN) vs. *-ana- (in WODAN, WOTAN). This variation, if considered at all, was dismissed as "suffix ablaut" by earlier scholars. There are, however, indications from outside Old Norse of a suffix *-ina-: English Wednesday (rather than *Wodnesday) via umlaut goes back to *wōđina-. Rübekeil concludes that the original Proto-Germanic form of the name was *WODONAZ, yielding Old Norse ÓDINN and unattested Anglo-Saxon *WEDEN, and that the attested West Germanic forms are early medieval "clerical" folk etymologies, formed under the impression of synchronic association with terms for "fury".

The pre-Proto-Germanic form of the name would then be *Wātinos. Rübekeil suggests that this is a loan from Proto-Celtic into pre-Proto-Germanic, referring to the god of the *wātis, the Celtic priests of mantic prophecy, so that the original meaning of the name would be "he [the god/lord] of the Vates" (p. 33), which he tentatively identifies with Lugus (p. 40).

Odin and Mercury

Less is known about the role of Odin as receiver of the dead among the more southern Germanic tribes. The Roman historian Tacitus probably refers to ODIN when he talks of Mercury. The reason is that, like Mercury, Odin was regarded as Psychopompos, "the leader of souls".

Julius Caesar calls Mercury the "deum maxime" of the Gauls in De Bello Gallico 6.17.1.

Paulus Diaconus (or Paul the Deacon), writing in the late 8th century, tells that ODIN (GUODAN) was the chief god of the Langobards and, like earlier southern sources, he identifies ODIN WITH MERCURY (History of the Langobards, I:9). Because of this identification, Paulus adds that the god Guodan, "although held to exist [by Germanic peoples], it was not around this time, but long ago, and not in Germania, but in Greece" where the god originated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wodanaz

NOTICE THESE CONNECTIONS OF WODANAZ, ODIN, MERCURY, WODEN of the Anglo Saxan, Tyr, Tiwaz Germanic.

C.F. the book of Acts 14:12-13.

Woden
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Woden is the deity in Anglo-Saxon polytheism corresponding to Norse Odin, both continuations of a Proto-Germanic deity, *Wodanaz. Other West Germanic forms of the name include Old Franconian Wodan, Alemannic Wuodan, and German Wotan.

WODEN was worshipped during the Migration period, until the 7th or 8th century, when Germanic paganism was gradually replaced by Christianity. In Anglo-Saxon England, Woden was rationalized as a historical king, and remnants of worship were continued into modern times as folklore, Wodan figuring prominently in both English and Continental folklore as the leader of the Wild Hunt.[/b]

Anglo-Saxon Woden.

The Anglo-Saxon tribes brought their pagan faith to England around the 5th and 6th centuries and continued in that form of worship until nearly all were converted to Christianity by the 9th century, at which point the old gods and any records of them were almost completely lost. This process of conversion followed an established pattern that is attested in accounts of the same from continental Europe- leaders were baptised for varied reasons, and the conversion of their respective peoples almost always inevitably followed, sometimes in the space of a few years, but more often over the course of a few generations.

For the Anglo-Saxons, WODEN was the carrier-off of the dead, but not necessarily with the exact same attributes of the Norse Odin - there do not appear to have been the concepts of Valkyries and Valhalla in the Norse sense, although there is a word for the former, Waelcyrge.

In addition to the roles named here, Woden was considered to be the leader of the Wild Hunt. The familial relationships are the same between Woden and the other Anglo-Saxon gods as they are for the Norse.

Wednesday (Wōdnes dæg, "Woden's day") is named for him, his link with the dead making him the appropriate match to the Roman Mercury. (Compare with the French mercredi or Italian mercoledì for Wednesday.)

The Anglo-Saxon kings claimed descent from Woden. According to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and the Historia Britonum, Woden had the sons Wecta, Baeldaeg, Casere and Wihtlaeg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%8Dden

The name Tyr meant "god" (cf. Hangatyr, the "god of the hanged" as one of Odin's names) and goes back to a Proto-Germanic Tîwaz, continuing Proto-Indo-European Dyeus, originally the chief god, the precursor also of e. g. Zeus in Greek mythology, and Dyaus Pitar in Vedic religion. The oldest attestation of the god is Gothic Tyz (Vienna cod. 140 [1])

Tîwaz was overtaken in popularity and in authority by Odin at some point in both the North Germanic and West Germanic traditions. Among East Germanic tribes, however, he seems to have remained the supreme god: the Goths of the 3rd century were feared because they sacrificed the captives they took in battle to Tyz, their god of war, and then hung the arms of the victims in trees as a token-offering.

This custom of human sacrifice seems to have been transferred to Odin in Scandinavia, as reported by Adam von Bremen in the 11th century (compare also Odin himself hanging from a tree as a sacrifice to himself in the Havamal).

It is possible that the transfer of supremacy from Tyr to Odin was facilitated by the Germanic custom of diarchy (see Germanic king and c.f. e.g. Hengest and Horsa, Yngvi and Alf and Erik and Alrik), so that the two gods might have ruled the early Germanic pantheon as equals at some point. A trace of their relationship may be seen in the appearance of Tyr as Odin's son in Norse mythology, and also in Anglo-Saxon, if Tiw is identified with Saxnot (Seaxneat), the 'war-god' and son of Woden, who was revered as the ancestor of the Saxons. In an earlier version, Tyr may have been the son of Hymir, as he is in Hymiskviða (cf. Zeus being a son of Chronos).

There is sketchy evidence of a consort, in German named Zisa: Tacitus mentions one Germanic tribe who worshipped "Isis", and Jacob Grimm pointed to Cisa/Zisa, the patroness of Augsburg, in this connection. The name Zisa would be derived from Ziu etymologically, in agreement with other consorts to the chief god in Indo-European pantheons, e. g. Zeus and Dione.

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Demon
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In religion, folklore, and mythology a demon or demoness is a supernatural being that has generally been described as a malevolent spirit but daemon and djinn. A demon is frequently depicted as a force that may be conjured and insecurely controlled. The "good" demon in recent use is largely a literary device (eg: Maxwell's demon). In common language, "demonizing" one's opponent is an aspersion.

As the Indo-Iranian Avestan and Vedic traditions and also other branches of Indo-European mythologies show, the notion of demon has existed for many centuries.

The Greek conception of a daemon (δαίμων) appears in the works of Plato and many other ancient authors, but without the evil connotations which are apparent in the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible and in the Greek originals of the New Testament. The medieval and neo-medieval conception of a "demon" in Western civilization (see the Medieval grimoire called the Ars Goetia) derives seamlessly from the ambient popular culture of Late (Roman) Antiquity: Greco-Roman concepts of daemons that passed into Christian culture are discussed in the entry daemon.The Hellenistic "Demon" eventually came to include many Semitic and Near Eastern gods as evaluated by Christianity.

In some present-day cultures, demons are still feared in popular superstition, largely due to their alleged power to possess humans, and they are an important concept in many modern religions and occultist traditions.

In the contemporary Western occultist tradition (perhaps epitomized by the work of Aleister Crowley) a demon, such as Choronzon, the "Demon of the Abyss", is a useful metaphor for certain inner psychological processes, though some may also regard it as an objectively real phenomenon.

Etymology

The idea of demons is as old as religion itself, and the word "demon" seems to have ancient origins. The Merriam-Webster dictionary gives the etymology of the word as Greek daimon, probably from the verb daiesthai meaning "to divide, distribute." The Proto-Indo-European root *deiwos for god, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "bright, shining" has retained this meaning in many related Indo-European languages and cultures (Sanskrit deva, Latin deus, German Tiw), but also provided another other common word for demon in Avestan daeva.

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Now the connection of the word demon with TIW = TYR= GOD

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Tyr
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Tyr (Old Norse: Týr) is the god of warfare and battle in Norse mythology, portrayed as a one-handed man. He was a son of either Odin or Hymir. Corresponding names in other Germanic languages include Tyz (Gothic), Ty (Old Norwegian), Ti (Old Swedish), Tiw, Tiu or Tew (Old English) Týr (Modern Icelandic), and Ziu (Old High German).

The name Tyr meant "god" (cf. Hangatyr, the "god of the hanged" as one of Odin's names) and goes back to a Proto-Germanic Tîwaz, continuing Proto-Indo-European Dyeus, originally the chief god, the precursor also of e. g. Zeus in Greek mythology, and Dyaus Pitar in Vedic religion. The oldest attestation of the god is Gothic Tyz (Vienna cod. 140 [1])

Tîwaz was overtaken in popularity and in authority by Odin at some point in both the North Germanic and West Germanic traditions. Among East Germanic tribes, however, he seems to have remained the supreme god: the Goths of the 3rd century were feared because they sacrificed the captives they took in battle to Tyz, their god of war, and then hung the arms of the victims in trees as a token-offering. This custom of human sacrifice seems to have been transferred to Odin in Scandinavia, as reported by Adam of Bremen in the 11th century (compare also Odin himself hanging from a tree as a sacrifice to himself in the Havamal).

It is possible that the transfer of supremacy from Tyr to Odin was facilitated by the Germanic custom of diarchy (see Germanic king and c.f. e.g. Hengest and Horsa, Yngvi and Alf and Erik and Alrik), so that the two gods might have ruled the early Germanic pantheon as equals at some point. A trace of their relationship may be seen in the appearance of Tyr as Odin's son in Norse mythology, and also in Anglo-Saxon, if Tiw is identified with Saxnot (Seaxneat), the 'war-god' and son of Woden, who was revered as the ancestor of the Saxons. In an earlier version, Tyr may have been the son of Hymir, as he is in Hymiskviða (cf. Zeus being a son of Chronos).

There is sketchy evidence of a consort, in German named Zisa: Tacitus mentions one Germanic tribe who worshipped "Isis", and Jacob Grimm pointed to Cisa/Zisa, the patroness of Augsburg, in this connection. The name Zisa would be derived from Ziu etymologically, in agreement with other consorts to the chief god in Indo-European pantheons, e. g. Zeus and Dione.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiw

There can be no doubt of the connection of the Old English TYR= GODto the English word DEMON. as does all these idol deities.

Hence the connection of all these deities to the English "GOD=GAUWD,GUD,GUDENEZ,JUPITER, ZEUS,TIWAZ, as TYR is GOD =GUDNEZ" all = DEMONS.

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Greek Zeus,
Roman Jupiter (from Deus Pater),
Vedic Dyaus Pita,
Germanic Tiwaz (later known as Tyr),
Baltic Dievas,
Slavic Div,
Gaulish Dis Pater,
and probably Phrygian Sabazios (from Saba Zeus).

Also etymologically connected is the Latin word for 'god', deus, the word for the Christian God used by the Roman Catholic Church. The latin word is also continued in English divine, deity, and the original Germanic word remains visible in Tuesday (originally "Day of Tiwaz").

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Dyeus was addressed as Dyeu Phter, literally "Sky Father" or "shining father", as reflected in Latin Jupiter, Greek Zeu pater, Sanskrit Dyau Pita. In his aspect as a Father God, his consort was Pltvi Mhter, "Earth Mother".

As the pantheons of the individual Indo-European mythologies evolved, attributes of Dyeus were sometimes redistributed to other, newer gods. In Greek and Roman mythology, Dyeus remained the chief god, while in Vedic and Germanic mythology, the etymological continuants of Dyeus became pale, rather featureless gods, and his original attributes, and his dominance over other gods, were transferred to gods whose names cannot be reconstructed for Proto-Indo-European times, such as ODIN , THOR or Indra.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyeus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyeus

They are all connected together here and read how they fit together.

Thank you for taking the time to read through such a long post.

Shalom,

Elyahc=Eljah C.

Thank you both for your kind words, and especially for all the research you have both presented on this subject. My "research" is limited to picking up "bits & pieces" from here and there, and occasionally tying them together.

May Father YAHWEH bless you, and may His Kingdom come soon.