I know this has been brought up many times here. Sorry if this bores someone. I think it's important to return to this topic. Which one of these named, or other not named, is the most correct and why do you think so? Expertise and non-expertise comments alike would be great.

PS. I personally believe Yahshua to be the most accurate. But I'm no hebrew scholar.

Tov Yom Kippur!

Shalom,

So the messiah's name would most like be Yahushu'a. The ayin is glutural.

"... whosoever shall call on [the One who is] shall be delivered" (Joel 2:32).

"... whosoever shall call on the name of [the One who is] shall be saved" (Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13).

"[He is the One who is] and there is no saviour but [Him]" (Isaiah 43:11; Hosea 13:4).

"For [the One who is] so loved the world, that he gave ..." (John 3:16).

"... and thou shalt call his name YahuShua -- The One Who Is Salvation -- for he shall [Shua] save His [Yah's] people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21).

"Savior" is from the Greek god "Salvator".

Is it correct to refer to the ONLY name with these meanings?

His name is spelled and pronounced differently throughout the world in many languages by the various cultures.

It's the meanings of the names that matter. The meanings of names show who they are, or who they are to be, or became. Like Abram in Abraham, Sara into Sarah. Yahweh changed their names only for new meanings.

Yahshua's name is the Word of Yahweh. (Rev 19:13) And that's who he is, to represent and make his Father known to us "The WORD". He leads us unto his Father "Everlasting life or salvation" = The Everlasting one.

Yahshua = YHWH is salvation.

YHWH = He always was, and He always will be = The word shall never perish.
YHWH is the WORD. Holy Spirit

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the words that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohanan

Peace to you.

My thoughts here are founded in the facts that English is my native language, that I know no other language, and that it is my desire to (in English) speak and write a name that accurately and appropriately describes and identifies its subject.

You have written, “The name given in Mattityahu 1:21 in my Hebrew language bible is ‘Yeshua’ ...”

Honest question: Your Hebrew language bible is printed in Hebrew, correct? If not, then it would instead be an English language bible allegedly translated from Hebrew ... but either way, the word “Yeshua” as there written is in English, not Hebrew, even if it sounds the same as in Hebrew when spoken in English. And again, I honestly do not know what a “Hebrew language” bible looks like, and I know nothing of either reading or speaking Hebrew.

You have written, “... and the translation given directly there is ‘He will save’ ...”

I tend to hear “definition” there, as drawn from translation, but either way, thank you for that piece of information ... as that seems to me to verify our need to be able to in English speak a name that conveys “He (The One Who Is) will save”, or something like “He (The One Who Is) Salvation”.

You have written, “Moshe called Oshea, the son of Nun (Numbers 13:6), Y'hoshua meaning ‘Yah, his help’. Yahshua or Yahusha is by no means the same as Yeshua or
Y'hoshua. The son of Nun is NOT ha-Meshiach.”

Rhetorical Questions: What is your point there? Is it necessary for one or more or all of us to write and speak, or to not write or speak a given name based on the context of a language one or more or all of us do not even know? Or, must we first learn Hebrew and teach it to everyone around us before speaking that given name at all?

Please know this comes from no one other than this word-weary cab driver ...

In a simple man’s English, and as best I can tell the Good News, YahShua is The One Who Is Salvation, saving His people from missing the mark: perfection.

But, maybe in my simplicity I end up actually denying that One by shying away from the name “Yeshua” because it reminds me far too much of the now-nauseating name “Jesus” of the deadly religion of my past?

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Originally posted by kongavnorge:

The name given in Mattityahu 1:21 in my Hebrew language bible is "Yeshua" and the tranlation given directly there is "He will save" For, it says, "He will save His people from missing the mark." The Hebrew word used for "sins" in the King James Version means "to miss the mark".
Moshe called Oshea, the son of Nun (Numbers 13:6), Y'hoshua meaning "Yah,his help". Yahshua or Yahusha is by no means the same as Yeshua or Y'hoshua. The son of Nun is NOT ha-Meshiach.

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Shalom Kongavnorge,

Jeshua/Yeshuwa` was a the son of Jozadak. (Ezra 3:2)
His name means "He is saved, Or, He be saved".

His name has the same meaning as Joshua. One is Aramaic, one is Hebrew.

Yahshua = Yahweh is salvation, or Yah is salvation.

Hoshea #wh = salvation

Again the spelling is not important as we do not know how Yahshua spelled his own name in Aramaic, and without any vowels.

It's the meanings of names that matter.

Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohanan

( I would have to disagree with this statement.I believe YAH to be the FATHER's name and that YAH is also that is contained in the name YAHSHUA.)

Sacred Name teachers seem to desire immediately those things that wise Jewish scholars, for centuries, would have little to absolutely nothing to do with the Sacred Name situation. We seem to be possessed with a willingness to disclose with our own mouths that which the Jewish custom was not to vocalize: the NAME. This is a custom which Yeshua did not correct. Peter, the apostle to the Jewish people did not correct it, and shaul, was also silent about the Jewish custom of not using it. What Yeshua, Peter, and Paul did not correct, I really believe needs no correction; therefore, I use Yeshua, because at this Forum, I would be looked down upon, if I were to use anything other than "any" of the Names for Yeshua that are assumed to be correct.

Frankly, I would use Jesus any time, for I see that one is able to walk in torah, and use the Name Jesus too. Many believe that using the Name Jesus is tantamount to total apostasy, but I am not of that opinion.

The "ecclesia of Yeshua Mashiach," will not be so caught up in such disputations as of pronunciations and the like, so although I can be found posting and giving my opinions here, as I do now, rarely do I mention anything about such disputations. My opinion herein, could be considered just another disputation, but I note it here, not for that purpose, but that hopefully, we might be brought to a time when we recognize that the Kingdom of Heaven has more to do with mercy and agape, than pronunciations and factions. I speak to none in particular, but mainly to myself, that I will always remember the words of Yahweh:

I don't use the name Jesus for other reasons, and I'm not even fond of the new letter "J" being used within the scriptures. Today we live in a world full of corrupt languages, and handed down traditions. English might just be the most corrupt.

Yahweh knows each of our hearts, and nothing can be hidden from him. Let us praise and serve our heavenly Father YHWH, with our very best as we currently know how. Let us seek him with all our heart, soul and mind so that we can grow daily in him, and he in us.

Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye for me, saith Yahweh, until the day that I rise up to the prey; for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger; for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy. 9 For then will I turn to the peoples of a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Yahweh, to serve him with one consent.

Shalom in Yahweh

Brother Yohanan

So I think Yeshua is by no means an erroneous form. However, was this the ONLY form spoken? I think not.

Blessings!!

Express your opionion, but that's not a fact.

There is no proof "none" that it says Yeshua or Yahshua in Aramaic.
Where is the Aramaic Gospel of Matthew to confirm any of this?

Scholars still debate how old the etchings are on the box, and if the box even belonged to Ya'akov/James.

Also many scholars still say that Yeshua = Joshua

The fact is nobody knows for sure, and the debate goes on and on, as they try to convince one another.

Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohanan

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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
Spelling and pronunciation is not the importance of his name.

His name is spelled and pronounced differently throughout the world in many languages by the various cultures.

It's the meanings of the names that matter. The meanings of names show who they are, or who they are to be, or became. Like Abram in Abraham, Sara into Sarah. Yahweh changed their names only for new meanings.

Yahshua's name is the Word of Yahweh. (Rev 19:13) And that's who he is, to represent and make his Father known to us "The WORD". He leads us unto his Father "Everlasting life or salvation" = The Everlasting one.

Yahshua = YHWH is salvation.

YHWH = He always was, and He always will be = The word shall never perish.
YHWH is the WORD. Holy Spirit

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? [b]The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the words that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Shalom in Yahweh,

Brother Yohanan

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Wannabe says,
Yes you are correct, it is the meanings of the name that are important, however, what happens when one little "jot and tittle" is removed?
The original name given, no longer carries that meaning as well as it changes the "identity" to the one in which it was given for very obvious reasons.
As spoken on a previous post, all through tthe scriptures, they tell/WARN us about the names.

The names, the only thing given to man to call on the Almighty and his son and not being tricked into "another" name with "another" meaning.

If you know his name is spelled with the 'Ayin' and the Ayin represents "eyes", what is causing you to think it is OK to be removed? And knowing then refusing to "try" to understand this "mysterious letter", in my opinion would be seriously wrong.