posted 05-08-2001 09:36 PM            

We know the 'days' represents 'years'.
and we know that the daily sacrifice stopped around the time when Nebuchadrezzar II forced Jehoiakim, then King of Judah, to submit himself to Babylon in 605 BC.
Nebuchadrezzar II proceeded then with the plundering of the Temple treasure and take captive certain prominent hostages.
The city was destroyed in August 586 BC and its walls were broken down.
( Zondervan encyclopedia of the bible vol. 3 page 476)
The end of the 70 year exile is consented to have ended in the year 537 BC when Cyrus II the Great of Persia had overcome Babylon. Little is known of the city during the next 2 centuries although the walls and temple was restored and dedicated again, the presence was never the same as in the days of Salomon as recorded in Ezra. ( Encyclopedia Britannica Macropedia vol.10 page 140)
No where with certainty, is the year given, of the 'stop to the daily sacrifice', but it must have been around 602 BC, for it is not unreasonable to conclude that it might have stopped years before its destruction in 586 BC.

What ever the exact year, lets reason with Daniels numbers. His first set says to count 1290 from whatever day the Stop.
you come to the period of 680-690 CE. What happened to he Holy Spot around that period?
That is the interesting part, for in the year 638 CE the Muslim Caliph Umar I entered Jerusalem AND during the period from 688 to 691 CE ( 3years) the tenth Caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, built the 'Dome of the Rock'
Daniel 12:11 ...From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1290 days...
SPOT ON !
For the first time in history we see a permanent non Jewish structure erected on the place where Yahweh's temple use to be, and HIS presence was.

lets see what the Webster's dictionary explains what Desolation really means:
Desolate: Left alone, forlorn, lonely, forsaken...
Desolation: The Act of desolating, left alone, devastation, havoc, ravage, depopulated, laid waist...

I think we are safe to conclude that Yahweh is NO longer there, He left it alone.... forsaken...desolate
But will this be for ever? Or for a set period, and for how long?

Daniel 12:12 "Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1335 days"

If we add these years ( 1335) to the year of the erection of the mosque, we come to the year 2023. Will that be the time Yahweh presence is returning to the Holy place? Or the inauguration of the Third Temple? Blessed will that person be who reaches that year?
I understand that there might be some margin of error in the calculation of our present calender ( Gregorian) but this would be months rather than years.

This gives this world still a few years to come to a conclusion, and for Israel to re-unite with Judah, The great falling away to take place, the anti-Messiah to be revealed and other end time prophesies to be fulfilled

I thought it to interesting, for I have never heard the fact mentioned of the year 688 when the dome of the rock was built to be a possibility in the fulfillment of prophesy, and if it is THE abomination mentioned in the bible it would mean that the Muslim religion is the abomination in Yahweh's eyes.

posted 05-09-2001 06:51 PM         

You wrote:

"We know the 'days' represents 'years'".

My question is HOW do you know that the days represent years? When YHWH wanted the days to represent years, He specifically said so. To arbitrarily assign years to days whenever it is convenient makes prophecy of no effect. The phrase 'abomination of desolation' in Daniel always refers to an invading army desecrating the Sanctuary of YHWH, whether that army be that of Antiochus Epiphanies or Titus, both of which are called the abomination that makes desolate. Outside of Daniel, the term is applied to Antiochus' armies in the book of Maccabees, and to Titus' armies in the Olivet discourse. Neither of these are still going on. Both started at a certain time and ended at a certain time and it behooves us to study these issues to see which one Daniel was referring to in Daniel 12.

In His Service,

posted 05-09-2001 10:42 PM            

We know this to be from the same book of Daniel when he speaks about the 70 weeks, a week being 7 days. etc. I do not have to spell this out to an interlectual as you

posted 05-10-2001 09:03 PM         

The Hebrew of Daniel nine does not actually say "seventy weeks" but rather "seventy sevens". Be this as it may, it is still only an assumption that Daniel is speaking of seventy "weeks of years". The subject of Daniel's prayer in chapter nine is the restoration of Judah after the seventy years of captivity. The answer is that seventy sevens are determined to finish the captivity. Some time after this period of time, the anointed prince would be cut off and the city and the sanctuary would be destroyed. It is not necessary for this anointed prince to be Yahshua for the prophecy to have meaning. Besides there was only one decree that went forth for the rebuilding of Jerusalem and that was the decree of Cyrus in five-hundred-some-odd BCE. Fourhundred and ninety years later would still be before the birth of Yahshua Messiah. All other decrees were simply acknowledgements of the original decree by other rulers. Playing the game of multiple choice with the decrees to line one up fourhundred and ninety years before Yahshua's death is like starting the count of the 1290 and 1335 "years" to end their count in our future-mear wishful thinking.

In His Service,

posted 05-11-2001 12:41 AM            

my answer:

posted 05-11-2001 02:30 AM            

I know at some point during this post someone will have us look at Yahweh's word reagarding...
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Mat 24:36

But, our YHWH has put a desire upon my heart to be watchful!

Here is some food for thought..that was shared with me by Yahweh thru HIS Word alone!

The 1,290 days spoken of in Daniel, is also mentioned in Revelation 11:3, involving HIS two witnesses prophesing for 1,290 days.
and again, involving the Beast, in Revelation 13:5, where "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and exercise his authority for forty-two months.

(1290 days is 3.5 years as 42 months is 3.5 years.)

I truely believe Jozef that Daniels vision is related to the end times when our Messiah will return...(the book of Revelation)
and that the abomination that causes desolation is related to the Beast:

Yahushua spoke of it in Matthew 24:1-35
"As Yahushua was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age. Yahushua answered, ...So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that cuases desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel---let the reader understand----"

Daniel 9:27 "He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Just as an added note: I hold fast to this revelation, from
2Thessalonians 2:1-4
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Yahushua AND our being gathered to him,... that day will not come until the rebellion occurs AND the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called Yahweh or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in Yahweh's temple, proclaiming himself to be Yahweh."
(Now that sounds like an abomination to me.)

Our blessing comes thru the promise in 1Thessalonians 5:9,
"For Yahweh did not appoint us to suffer wrath, but to receive salvation through our Lord Yahushua."

Yahushua speak to our hearts...

*Star

posted 05-11-2001 08:51 PM            

You have got your 1290 and/or 1335 days all messed up and wrong. You should be dealing with the Hebrew Calendar not the Roman Catholic Gregorian Calendar. The observable time it takes the moon to orbit the earth is 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 3-1/3 seconds ( 29.53059414 days ). The actual time is about 2 days less. There are 12-7/19 of the these months in a year ( 365.2468223 days in a year) 19 of these years are 235 months or 6939.689623 days. 42 months of the holy city being trodden under foot by the goyyim is 1239 days. This is exactly 3 years plus 5 months ( using the Hebrew Calendar, two years having 12 months and one year having 13 months ) ha-Chizayon (Revelation) 11:3 says the two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days which is exactly 3 weeks longer than 42 months. Thus 1290 days is 43 months plus 3 weeks. So. now go back and do your figuring and then tell me what you come up with.

posted 05-12-2001 12:12 AM         

Dear Star,

I agree with you re your post:

The 1,290 days spoken of in Daniel, is also mentioned in Revelation 11:3, involving HIS two witnesses prophesing for 1,290 days.
and again, involving the Beast, in Revelation 13:5, where "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and exercise his authority for forty-two months.

(1290 days is 3.5 years as 42 months is 3.5 years.)

I truely believe Jozef that Daniels vision is related to the end times when our Messiah will return...(the book of Revelation)
and that the abomination that causes desolation is related to the Beast:

I too believe this to be relating to the end times....
Regarding the Abomination I would like to write to you
my email is sss@qldwide.net.au
Regards Watty

posted 05-12-2001 10:54 AM         

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what [shall be] the end of these [things]? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.