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Author Topic:   Adonis,Adonai=Tammuz
Don
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posted 09-20-1999 12:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Shalom

ADONIS,
Greek version of Semitic ADONAI,(THE LORD),a castrated and sacrificed savior-g.o.d.
whose love-death united him with APHRODITE,or ASHERAH,or MARI.
In Yerusalem, his name was TAMMUZ.

ADONIS was born at bethlehem,in the same sacred cave that Christians later cliamed as
the birthplace of j.e.s.u.s.
He was the son of the Virgin Myrrha, a temple-women ,a Slave,identified with Mary by
early Christians who called j.e.s.u.s.'s mother Myrrh of the sea.

Myrrh was a symbol of the l.o.r.d.'s death, in both pagan and Christian traditions.
He returned to his Great Mother,the sea,APHRODITE-MARI Alexandrian priestesses
celebrated the event by throwing the g.o.d.'s image into the sea.

Syrian ADONIS died at EASTER time,with the flowering of the red anemone,
supposedly created from his blood.

Another form of the same g.o.d, was ANCHISES, castrated after his mating with
APHRODITE.

ADONIS, too was castrated;"gored in the groin" by APHRODITE'S boar-masked priest.
His severed phallus became his "son", the ITHYPHALLIC g.o.d, PARAPUS,identified
withEROS in Greece or OSIRIS-MIN in Egypt.
PRIAPUS carried a pruning knife in token of the l.o.r.d.'s necessary castration before new
life could appear on earth.

ADONIS died and rose again in periodic cycles, like all g.o.d.s of vegetations and
fertility.
He was identified with the Sun that died and rose again in heaven.

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YoshaYah

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posted 09-20-1999 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoshaYah   Click Here to Email YoshaYah     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
We all know Tammuz was the son of Nimrod.
Tammuz was also called Adonis.
Was the s added to make it Greek, just like the s they added to Yahshua's name? (Is not s masculane in Greek?)
Just like Nimrod, Tammuz (Adonai, Adonis) was worshipped, he was a god (el).

Is not Tammuz honored by a month?
Are not Adoni and and El worshipped in Yisrayl?
Do not some temples contain the Zodiac on the floor?

Idolatry riens supreme in Yisrayl

Shalom

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Don
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posted 09-21-1999 05:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sad ,but true!

And this idol worship is known as "JUDAISM"!

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OldShepherd

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posted 09-23-1999 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OldShepherd   Click Here to Email OldShepherd     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
YoshaYah

"Is not Tammuz honored by a month?"

Tammuz 5757 / 6 July - 3 August 1997
The Aramaic translation of Tammuz is `heating,' which suggests the heat of desire. However, this same heat can be used to fire the spiritual side of a person and bring him to return to G-d. Heat can be turned into light. This month's sign corresponds to the tribe of Reuven, and it was Reuven who was the first person to return to G-d purely out of love, turning the `heat' of his personality into light.

http://www.virtual.co.il/education/education/ohr/seasons/5757/tammuz.txt

_____In the northern hemisphere isn't July and August the hottest time of the year? Now, I wonder why the early Israelites named this period Tammuz ? Do you suppose it had anything to do with hot weather, i.e. heating? Nah, that's too easy, let's give everything a pagan connotation!

ZaQuNRaAHYaHuW

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Don
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posted 09-23-1999 07:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Shalom Ya'll

Interestingly,in the scriptures there are only 4 months named
by our Father YHWH and the rest are #.

Now understand this;this is His calender,that He has given us to keep.


YHWH ----- Babylonian ---- Jewish

Abib ------ Nisan -------- Nisan

Ziv ------ Iyyar ------- Iyar

3rd ------ Siwan -------- Sivan

4th ------ Tammuz ------ Tamaz

5th ------ Ab ---------- Av

6th ------ Elul ------- Elul

Ethanim -- Tishri ----- Tishrei

Bul ------ Marheshvan --- Cheshvan

9th ------ Chislev ------ Kislev

10th ---- Tebeth ------ Tevet

11th ----- Shebat ------- Shevat

12th ----- Adar -------- Adar

Strange is it not.

The Babylonians named their months after the names of
their PAGAN g.o.d.s.

The jews of Judaism do the same.

I believe this called "Idolatary"!

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OldShepherd

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posted 09-24-1999 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OldShepherd   Click Here to Email OldShepherd     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
_____Here is an interesting quote from Tertullian, a second century church leader, from his work, Proscription Against Heresy". He said that Satan/pagans "imitated and distorted" the "Divine Institutions of the Older Scriptures" i.e. practices of the Old Testament faithful not the other way around!

Chapter XL.-No Difference in the Spirit of Idolatry and of Heresy. In the Rites of Idolatry, Satan Imitated and Distorted the Divine Institutions of the Older Scriptures. The Christian Scriptures Corrupted by Him in the Perversions of the Various Heretics.
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-03/anf03-24.htm#P3125_1133921

_____Since we know that in Aramaic, "Tammuz" means "heating". I wonder what the Aramaic/Hebrew for these names are, Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Av, Elul, Tishrei, Cheshvan, Kislev, and Tevet? But learning that would require
doing some real study. From Tertullian I infer that the Babylonians copied Israel. Do you think maybe Tertullian was right?

ZaQuNRaAHYaHuW

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Don
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posted 09-24-1999 08:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Shalom OS

Perhaps to a point he could be right!

But the fact remains that except the
4 named months in the scriptures the rest are #.

That none of the children of Yahuwdah ever
called any of these months by Babylonian names until
they came back from Babylon.

I believe this is reflective of their Rabbi's being heavily
influnenced by the Babylonian system of false worship.

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posted 09-24-1999 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OldShepherd   Click Here to Email OldShepherd     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Don,

Or the Babylonians being heavily influenced by the "Divine Institutions of the Older Scriptures" as Tertullian said.

ZaQuNRaAHYaHuW

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Don
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posted 09-25-1999 06:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Old Divine Institutaions like the worship of the b.a.a.l.im.

The Names of these months are the names of pagan g.o.d.s and evil men.

In this case the Yahuwdim got them from Babylon ,
not the other way around.


Shabbat Shalom

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kongavnorge

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posted 10-01-1999 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kongavnorge   Click Here to Email kongavnorge     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote

It is the one known as Iesous Xpistos (in English: Jesus Christ) who is, indeed equated as being the same as Tammuz. Iesous has been thought to be a transliteration (NOT TRANSLATION) of the Hebrew "Yeshua". However, Iesous has no meaning, either in Greek or any other language even thoough it is said to mean "son of Zeus" in Greek.
In Acts 16, there is the matter of the demon-possessed girl crying out "these be the servants of "the most high god" who proclaim to us the way of salvation" This grieved Paul. The reason for Paul's grief is that the title "The Most High God" is what Greeks used to refer to Zeus. In verse 31 Paul and Silas said "Believe on ha-Adon Yeshua and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" There is a very good reason why they did not say ha-Adon Yeshua ha-Meshiach in that ha-Meshiach would have been translated by the Greeks as "Xpistos" meaning "annointed". There is a great difference between just any "annointed" and the annointed.
In the front of so-called "Christian" (Xpistian) there is usually (In Artzoth ha-berith, the United States of America) the U.S. and also the so-called "Christian" flag which has on it the Babylonian +au (+) the first letter in the name Tammuz. Also referred to in Revelation 13 as "the tau of the Beast"

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JustBill

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posted 10-01-1999 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JustBill     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The second noun is Christos.

Chi ~ ch , Chi is not X
rho ~ r , rho is not p

A tranliterated word does not have a meaning in the language into which it is transliterated. Transliteration seeks to preserve the pronunciation as best one can. Since all languages do not use the sams sounds (phonemes) and since not all languages are phonetic, transliteration is more an art rather than a science. Also since, languages have different rules of grammar names must be altered to conform to the rules of grammar in the target language.

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BBJ

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posted 10-01-1999 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BBJ   Click Here to Email BBJ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Since we are discussing transliteration...

Iesous is pronounced {ee-ay-sooce'} which as far as I can tell would sound somewhat like Yah-sooce. I know that in the Greek, "s" is added to the ending of masculine words. Is this s pronounced or just present when the Greek is written?

Also if ee-ay-sooce' is the pronounciation of Iesous, how can you get this from Yeshua which to my knowledge is pronounced more like Ye-shua? Can anyone help?

BBJ

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JustBill

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posted 10-01-1999 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JustBill     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Greek does not have an "sh" sound, the sound of "shin". The closest sound is "sigma". Likewise Greek does not have a "y" sound, the consonantal sound of "yod". Greek uses its "i" sound (which is short), "iota", instead. Also note Greek has a short "e", "epsilon" and a long "e", "eta". It is "eta" pronunced "ay" as in "say" that is used in this case. If "Iesous" is not the correct transliteration of "Yeshua" into Greek, what is?

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JustBill,

Thanks for the insight. I was trying to get a better understanding of the Yeshua/Yahshua issue. To my untrained ear it seemed that the Greek Iesous sounded more like Yahshua than Yeshua.

To my knowledege the name Yeshua is taken from the literal meaning of Matt 1:21 "He will save his people". That seems to make good sense when this verse stands alone without OT verses.

In light of the OT verses, "Yahshua" seems to be a better fit and the transliteration seemed to be a better fit also. But I was unsure of the Greek transliteration.

Thanks again.
BBJ

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Don
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posted 10-01-1999 10:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Shalom Wild Bill and BBJ

The Strong's Hebrew Dic,YESHUWAH #3444 fem.pass.part. of #3467 YASHA:
something saved i.e. (abstr.) deliverance: hence.aid ,victory,prosperity:--
deliverance,health,help (ing).salvation.save,saving (health),welfare.

#3467 YASHA APRIME ROOT;prop.to be openwide or free,i.e. (by impl.) to be
safe;caus. to free or succor:---at all,avenging,defend,deliver (er),help,preserve,recue, be
safe bring (having) salvation,save ,get victory.

YESHA #3468 from 3467 YASHA; liberty,deliverance prosperity:
safety,salvation,saving.

The prime root of YESHUA is YASHA this is a word transformed to mean SAVE.
It's not a NAME,it's a word.

In 3442 and 43 you have YESHUWA Jeshua this is a corruption of the NAME
YEHOWSHUA #3091 correctlyYAHUWSHUA which means "Salvation of YHW".


Shabbat Shalom

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