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Boulden-Jonathan Wayne

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posted 06-08-1999 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boulden-Jonathan Wayne     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Jozef

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Shalom
Boulden-Jonathan Wayne
I am not surprised that mainline and peripheral churches are condoning homosexuality, yes even backing it with anything they can find. One of the favored subjects for their opinions are usually "Ancient Manuscripts" as if they were divinely inspired. And in their opinions the bible is not far and above the other ancient writings but possibly somewhere in the middle, only for quoting it when it fits their evil doctrines.
We however do place the Bible far far and above any old writing including Plato Homer Josephus or any other by the world exonerated writ. Since their and our standards are so far apart, there is no way to even contemplate showing them a thing or two.
But for our satisfaction I would start with the last entry in the scriptures for the sole reason that otherwise people may express it is all done away with.
Rev, 22: "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may go through the gates into the City. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, end everyone who loves and practice falsehood 
We all know that the reference to the washing of the robes means our bodies that we wear.
The tree of life is the wisdom and divine Knowledge as spoken of in Prov. 3:13-18. The gate is the Torah manifested in the flesh in Yahushua, to many references to this to mention. The City is the New Yerushalaim from which will go forth the Law, Theocratically based on Righteousness and Justice. The rest is self evident, Outside means outside. And who are among them? The sexually immoral.
Immoral according to the dictionary is: Not conforming to the moral law, not conforming to accepted patterns of conduct. since we are speaking from the biblical point of view, it must refer to biblical standards.
In the book of Leviticus 18: 22 it states as Levitical LAW: " Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, that is detestable". verse 24" Do not DEFILE yourselves in any of these ways". verse 26 " You must keep my decrees AND my laws... It is wise to read Leviticus 18 in context, there is much more.
To mention all related scriptures in-between these two mentions ( Revelation and Leviticus) would be to numerous on this forum. I thought it sufficient to mention these as a basic reference.
Hope this is of some little help
My Yahweh show is the true way how to approach and take position against such increasingly popular worldly point of view.
Shalom
Jozef

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DeAnna

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Shalom brother Jonathan,

I too have been reading some strange things >>

In Comptons Encyclopedia it says >>
The Sabbath is derived from the creation story in the book of Genesis, where it is stated that, after the six days of creation, God rested. When, in later generations, the law was promulgated in Israel, it was commanded that the people observe the seventh day as a day of rest and,>> LATER, of worship as well. <<<

Also I read in the "book of Jasher" that the sabbath was instituted by Moses getting the pharoah to give the "hebrews/slaves" a day off. Now I afford credit to the book of Jasher due to the fact in the scritpures it refer to it >>

"Is it not written in the Book of Jasher?" (Joshua 10:13)

"Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher." (2Samuel 1:18)

Also... it is interesting to me that in the writings of Zarathushtra (which are noted to be the oldest available??? but 600bc for sure) he speaks of the "Intervening 7th. day", and sings hymms to the moon and how every 7 days it takes on new form, and to the "new moon" and praises the power that the creator has given it to bring about the "Intervening 7th.day". ??? this is from the Avestan that have Zarathrustra's writings in it. It implys that by the power given to the moon to monitor "time", and to bring in the intervening 7th. day.. that this is the 7000th. yr. when the creator will come and make everything right.



I haven't posted much lately due to study and searching and much prayer.
Like you Jonathan, I want the truth. I hope I don't upset anyone by posting this, but it seems all my life i continue to come to an awareness that things are not as they seem. first the name.. then much of the doctrine.. etc. So just because "It is written", cannot be my sole resource;
as it is "written" Jesus, and god but that proved to be in error. So I can't help but to search out the rest.

I do not search for error because I want to find something "wrong" with this or that. But I do search for error... much in the way I seek out my "own error", for this is my only hope for changing from the error of my ways.

I also truly feel that if we look for understanding then we must also 'look" or be aware of errors. For if something is true then we should find no errors in it.

I believe it is greatly possible that not every word, even in the original hebrews scriptures is accurate or correct. (as we can see through all of the "translations" that there is error. Quite possibly much of the error was through determination. But I believe this can even be so with the translator being even of a sincere heart.

Now you know from the time of Moses to Yashua the scrolls had to of been rewritten, and copied... and as their language changed they were subject to a comprimising understanding. Just as it is difficult to go from hebrew to english.
EVEN THOUGH, english has soooooo many words in it... more than ANY other language, you would think we would have one to "fit", but many so no.
Or because they don't understand the "rules" etc.

Maybe there is something to that old saying "hidden treasure".
We can accept the "fools gold" or dig deeper and find the real gold.
For all that glitters is not gold. right?

I believe the messiah came in the "middle of the week"/4000th. yr. to set everything straight and to give people another chance. But now again we have translations and errors in the new testament as well.
So I pay close attention how the two "line up". When I see something in one, I look for it in the other (ot/nt) When I see something in one and not the other I put it on reserve until I find a confirmation.

Now the children of Israel went through the red sea shortly comeing out of egypt/bondage/darkness. And this was a "babtism" (Rom.10;1) and shortly after Moses went up into the mount and was there for 40 days and nights and did not eat or drink, and the children were tempted by satan and made unto themselves a golden calf. (their own religion)
Then when Moses comes down later, he expounds unto the 12 tribes the law.

Now Yahshua gets babtized, (Matt 3) and goes into the desert and is there for 40 days and nights etc. and tempted by satan... (Matt 4)THEN...

afterwards he go straight way and "heals" of desease etc. (Like the children had to "clean" themselves and be ready for the 3rd day) Then after there is a series of healing/cleansing, he goes up to the mount with his "12" diciples, and gives "instruction for the way to life". I believe what Y'shua spoke to the diciples upon that mount was the true "law/instruction". Mathew chapt.'s 5,6,7... and chapt 8 he comes down.

Then straight way heals a leper. and the leper is instructed to "go give the gift that Moses commanded" ???

I found this >> Le 14:7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

Is the "bird" flying free over an open field the gift? (anybody?)

Anyway... this reminded me of when moses calls for Yah to heal aaron's wife, but I don't know if it would "line up or not..

well... this is what I have been thinking lately.

Shalom,
DeAnna

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Jozef

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Shalom DeAnne,
I have not forgotten you, and often look for your posts.
Me too, went through a period of confusion, after the excitement died down finding Yahushua. It  became clear to me that finding him was not enough... singing hymns alone did not give me my "highs", and speaking in tongues lost a little of its novelty, with other words I was at cross roads....
"There had to be more...." I looked in every corner and even outside, I had a peep into the religion of my sister ( new age )but quickly found that focus was only on SELF, ME, an I.
What was it I felt so strange about? stagnated as it where?  After all I was saved, and baptized an all.!
But still very traditional Christian. (nothing wrong with an in between station) but I needed to go on the train again, I needed to go further,,,FURTHER. Further, That's what it was... That feeling.... I needed to go ON.
On to what, and where? A new search...and I found a little group of people who lived together in a commune as Jews. We (me and my family) visited them frequently on shabbat and feasts. This was a strange bunch, It looked like a Hippie commune. All men wore beards, all moment scarves and long dresses. En the men even got circumcised.
I think I might have told you before.had gone to far I thought. this is more than 15 years ago.
I stayed in touch with them for several years, until the leader ( a Jewish lady) told me I should grow a beard. I did not want that! no beard for me thank you!
I was respectable, and not a Hippie. One year later I grew a beard. I also left the Church I was very
It had a great fascination to me though... but they Unhappy in. so I left and immigrated. That felt good. Free, man free hallelujah...... until.
There was nothing out there, I was free in a spiritual desert. only nothing and more of the same,... nothing.
So we began to pray for true guidance. Bring it to U Yahweh, bring it to Us... We are blind and don't even know what we are looking fore.. show us.
And You know how many weirdoes presented themselves to us, It looked as if the floodgates of hell were opened. But it also showed us VERY CLEARLY that it had nothing to offer as temporal kicks.
No, not for us, thank you we passed them by, one after the other.
Than one night as I was reading the bible, the scripture stood out " You have forsaken your first love" in the book of rev. 2:4.
And that first love was "His Words". I remembered how this first love felt, when I read the Bible the first time. No other book ever felt the same. I never fall in love with a book, this must have been MORE than a BOOK, it was a living book it was Yahushua, the word of Yahweh made flesh in my heart. So back to basics, and I have not fallen out of love yet.
I think it is human nature to see if you could do better elsewhere, but He is my MORE THAN ENOUGH loved one, My EL SHADDAI. more than enough.
Tares come to my eyes to see others having to go through, I am probably more a heart man, than intellect. But it is from there that I truly found Him, and not through much learning or Theology. (Although I have great respect for scholars, but their wisdom is only from the mind.)
Dear DeAnne, I only wanted to share my heart with you and Boulden-Jonathan Wayne on this post.
Love and Shalom
Jozef.

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DeAnna

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Shalom Jozef,

It is always so good to hear from you.
Thank you for that testimony. It "hit home" with me more then you know.

I too have read about that "first love" and have often wondered what it meant. When I read your post, and what you came to realize it meant... well.. it brought tears. Yes the "zeal" seems to come and go... especially when I feel confused, knowing that Yah is not the author of confusion, I tend to get a bit "worried" when I feel confused.

Sometimes after the confusion clears way I come to a better understanding and feel i have "grown" some, this time around seems to be a bit longer though...
Also this time around seems to accompany frustration and there is an "uptightness" in me that I don't care for at all... feeling like I am losing my sense of humor! (my poor family) ever so patient with me, not interested in the least of all i'm studying but reckognising it is important to me, they are ever so supportive.

Since I have moved to Hawaii, I barely leave the house. I don't help people like I used too. I am never around anyone to be of any assistance to them.
I know I MUST find a way to break out of this "mode".
must volunteer in some way, if nothing else just to feel somewhat productive.

The only time I feel really good is when I am singing to him. When I lift my voice in praise, and for a moment I don't have to have knowledge, only gratitude and thankfulness, this is when I feel the best. Trying not to "ask" him for anything, just thank him for what he has given, and all that I have.
(but i always end up asking for truth, or ears that hear, or eyes to see etc. inspite of myself saying I'M NOT GONNA ASK FOR ANYTHING!!) before it's over... i'm asking.

i have been trying to "break" from the computer and read more in books etc. Keep telling myself I'm gonna take a break from reading all togeather and spend time with my son and family etc. but I am addicted to the scriptures, and everytime i have a thought, there i go again... searching the scriptures. I envy Abraham... no scriptures to read, or any 666's to figure out, just a believeing righteous man living a righteous life in the midst of all the evils. No major "laws" to contend with, only common sense right from wrong.
(is that wrong of me to feel that way?)

When I study the "laws" I start to feel so overwhelmed and so far gone, I just cry every time, feeling so lost. Then I read when people say that feeling like the law is a "burden" is because they are evil and hate the laws of righteousness... this scares me. I still don't understand the "festivals" nor do I feel convicted to keep them, but a fear for "lack" of conviction would be more like it.

To be honest with you Jozef, even when I sing my hymms when it comes to singing out the name.. all the names go through my head.. "yahweh, yahuah, yahueh, Yahushua, yahshua, yashua, yasha"... and again i feel a bit lost.

When I was a young girl, I played guitar and wrote songs. Once I sang a song at "grant's theatre" in New Albany IN. I had written when I was 14 or 15 and the theme of the song was >>>

"now do you see me?
Now do you understand?
can you tell me my name?
do you know who I am?

I thought of this the other day, and felt that nastalga of being that little girl again, right back to where I was. at first it made me sad, and I felt somewhat defeated. but there arose hope from remembering that even then he was on my mind, and has never left. and I pray he never does.
Oh Jozef, I do pray, and pray, and pray...

your friend,
DeAnna

By the way... when you posted your picture I tried like the dickens to post mine for you, but never did figure it out. Then i was going to e-mail you a picture of me and my family and our computer went on the brink and we lost all that we had scanned in. one of these days we'll scann more and I'll send it.

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http://www.pacinter.net/users/chawman/homo1.htm

Homosexuality: The Christian Perspective

by Lehman Strauss, Litt.D., F.R.G.S.


Q. What is homosexuality?

A. Homosexuality is the manifestation of sexual desire toward a member of one's own sex or the erotic activity with a
member of the same sex. (The Greek word homos means the same). A lesbian is a female homosexual. More recently
the term "gay" has come into popular use to refer to both sexes who are homosexuals.

Q. How does one determine if the practice of homosexuality is right or wrong?

A. That depends upon who is answering the question. The Christian point of view is based solely upon the Bible, the
divinely inspired Word of God. A truly Christian standard of ethics is the conduct of divine revelation, not of statistical
research nor of public opinion. For the Christian, the Bible is the final authority for both belief and behaviour.

Q. What explicitly does the Bible teach about homosexuality?

A. This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit
from His adequate answer to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical view of homosexuality.
The Bible has much to say about sex sins in general.

First, there is adultery. Adultery in the natural sense is sexual intercourse of a married person with someone other than
his or her own spouse. It is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments (Exodus 20:14; I Cor. 6:9, 10). Christ
forbids dwelling upon the thoughts, the free play of one's imagination that leads to adultery (Matthew 5:28).

Second, there is fornication, the illicit sex acts of unmarried persons which is likewise forbidden (I Corinthians 5:1; 6:13,
18; Ephesians 5:3).

Then there is homosexuality which likewise is condemned in Scripture. The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the
Holy Spirit, declares that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9; 10). Now Paul does
not single out the homosexual as a special offender. He includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers, thieves, covetous
persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners. And then he adds the comment that some of the Christians at Corinth had
been delivered from these very practices: "And such were some of you: But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye
are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). All of the sins mentioned in
this passage are condemned by God, but just as there was hope in Christ for the Corinthians, so is there hope for all of
us.

Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with
womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them
have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In
these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither
alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.

In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly on the matter when He said, "There shall be no
whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17). The whore and the
sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of
Sodom, but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and unnatural vice for which Sodom was
known. Let us look at the passages in question:

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house around, both
old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are
the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went
out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto
you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they
under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:4-8)

The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is ya,,daŽ, a sexual term. It is used frequently to denote sexual intercourse
(Genesis 4:1, 17, 25; Matthew 1:24, 25). The message in the context of Genesis 19 is clear. Lot pled with the men to
"do not so wickedly." Homosexuality is wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for the
homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his perverted way of life.

Q. You said that sexua1 intercourse outside of marriage is condemned in the Bible. How do you explain marriage
ceremonies in which two persons of the same sex are united by an officiating clergyman or justice of the peace?

A. There are cases on record where a marriage license was issued to persons of the same sex. I recall one such incident
in Phoenix, Arizona. A marriage license was issued in the Maricopa County clerk's office to two men 39 and 21 years
old respectively. The two men are reported to have "married" in a private ceremony.

However, to call a union of two persons of the same sex a "marriage" is a misnomer. In the Bible, marriage is a divinely
ordered institution designed to form a permanent union between one man and one woman for one purpose (among
others) of procreating or propagating the human race. That was God's order in the first of such unions (Genesis 1:27,
28; 2:24; Matthew 19:5). If, in His original creation of humans, God had created two persons of the same sex, there
would not be a human race in existence today. The whole idea of two persons of the same sex marrying is absurd,
unsound, ridiculously unreasonable, stupid. A clergyman might bless a homosexual marriage but God won't.

Q. A Jesuit Priest, John J. McNeill, reportedly said in a conference (Christianity Today, June 3, 1977), "There is no
clear condemnation of homosexual activity to be found anywhere in the Bible." How does a church leader arrive at such
a conclusion?

A. This particular Jesuit priest, like some other supposedly Christian theologians, have totally ignored the Scriptures as
the guidelines for Christian behaviour in regard to homosexuality. McNeill does not speak for the Roman Catholic
Church, but for a small segment of priests who, having vowed themselves to celibacy, that is, to abstain from marriage
and sexual intercourse, have found sexual gratification in homosexual acts.

However, religious sex perverts are plentiful among protestants. Protestant leaders on both sides of the Atlantic have
gradually eased away from the Scriptures. In England men like Bishop John Robinson, in his book Honest to God
made a play on the term "The New Morality," which in reality was a plea to open the door to immorality making it
respectable and thus acceptable. The Bishop went so far as to describe the unscriptural adulterous relationship as "a
kind of holy communion." This modern concept of Christian ethics rejects totally the precepts laid down by God in His
Word. It is blasphemous and atheistic.

Recently in America ten homosexually oriented religious organizations, comprised of men and women from more than a
dozen denominations, and from seventeen states and Canada, met at Kirkbridge, a retreat and study center near
Bangor, Pennsylvania. The retreat was entitled, "Gay and Christian." But the two terms, "gay" and "Christian" are
mutually exclusive, incompatible, incongruous.

Representing the women at that retreat, Nancy Krody a lesbian, spoke on "The Lesbian Christian Experience." Here
again is a misnomer. A practicing Christian, from the biblical viewpoint, will not be a practicing homosexual. Of course, I
make the distinction between a professing Christian and a practicing Christian. Calling one's self a Christian does not
make one a Christian.

Malcolm Boyd speaks about "The Gay Male Christian Experience." Boyd, a protestant clergyman, says he has been a
homosexual secretly for years. Only recently he made a public announcement of his homosexuality. He claims that his
public announcement of his homosexuality has brought him back to the church. Boyd does not tell us what he means by
the "church"!

Following is one point on which the speakers at Kirkbridge agreed: "A monogamous homosexual relationship
characterized by fidelity, honesty and love is possible, desirable, and honoring to God."

Any evil condemned in Scripture cannot be honoring to God. Homosexual religious leaders attempt to smooth over the
breaks and rough places with Christian terminology so that a euphoria predominates, but God is not in it. A truly born
again person, who loves and understands the Bible as God's revelation to him, will not condone an evil that God
condemns. "If ye know that He is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of Him" (I John
2:29). "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And,
let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity" (II Timothy 2:19). Practicing homosexuals are
engaged in a divinely forbidden evil.

Q. Why do homosexuals refer to themselves as "gay"?

A. The word "gay" means merry, exuberant, bright, lively. More recently it has been adopted by homosexuals. In its
original use it did not have this double meaning. The clever adaptation of the word "gay" by homosexuals has robbed it
of its pure meaning, thereby corrupting a once perfectly good word. I never use the word "gay" when referring to
homosexuals. There are many bright, exuberant, merry people in this world who are not sexual perverts.

Q. You made reference to First Corinthians 6:9-11. What is the meaning of the word "effeminate" in verse 9?

A. There are certain words in every language that can be used in a good or bad sense. In the context of this verse the
use of "effeminate" is obviously in a bad sense. It is listed among other evils which are condemned. It describes feminine
qualities inappropriate to a man. It is normal and natural for a woman to be sexually attracted to a man; it is abnormal
and unnatural for a man to be sexually attracted to another man. Many male homosexuals are effeminate, but not all.
Nor are all lesbians unduly masculine.

Q. Are there other Scriptures in the New Testament which deal with homosexuality?

A. Yes. Romans 1:24-27; I Timothy 1:10 and Jude 7. If one takes these Scriptures seriously, homosexuality will be
recognized as an evil. The Romans passage is unmistakably clear. Paul attributes the moral depravity of men and women
to their rejection of "the truth of God" (1:25). They refused "to retain God in their knowledge" (1:28), thereby dethroning
God and deifying themselves. The Old Testament had clearly condemned homosexuality but in Paul's day there were
those persons who rejected its teaching. Because of their rejection of God's commands He punished their sin by
delivering them over to it.

The philosophy of substituting God's Word with one's own reasoning commenced with Satan. He introduced it at the
outset of the human race by suggesting to Eve that she ignore God's orders, assuring her that in so doing she would
become like God with the power to discern good and evil (Genesis 3:1-5). That was Satan's big lie. Paul said that when
any person rejects God's truth, his mind becomes "reprobate," meaning perverted, void of sound judgment. The
perverted mind, having rejected God's truth, is not capable of discerning good and evil.

In Romans 1:26-31 twenty-three punishable sins are listed with homosexuality leading the list. Paul wrote, "For this
cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against
nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men
with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet"
(Romans 1:26, 27). These verses are telling us that homosexuals suffer in their body and personality the inevitable
consequences of their wrong doing. Notice that the behaviour of the homosexual is described as a "vile affection" (1:26).
The Greek word translated "vile" (atimia) means filthy, dirty, evil, dishonourable. The word "affection" in Greek is
pathos, used by the Greeks of either a good or bad desire. Here in the context of Romans it is used in a bad sense. The
"vile affection" is a degrading passion, a shameful lust. Both the desire (lusting after) and the act of homosexuality are
condemned in the Bible as sin.

Q. There are those persons who say that homosexuality, even though a perverted form of the normal, God-ordained
practice of sex, is a genetic problem, constitutionally inherited. Is there evidence to support this view?

A. I read in a periodical that in June, 1963 a panel of specialists in medicine, psychiatry, law, sociology and theology
participated in a conference on homosexuality called by the Swiss Evangelical Church Union. That group reached the
conclusion that homosexuality is not constitutionally inherited, it is not a part of one's genetic makeup. The ill-founded
and unverifiable myth that homosexuality results from genetic causes is gradually fading away.

There are possibly a number of different ways in which homosexual practices could begin. When boys and girls reach
puberty and the genital organs develop, it is not uncommon for boys to experiment with boys, and girls with girls. In
prisons where men and women are denied access to persons of the opposite sex for long periods of time, some are
introduced to homosexuality for the first time.

A young Christian woman came to our office in Detroit for counseling. She became involved in lesbianism when her
marriage began to fail. She was introduced to her first homosexual experience by a divorcee who was her neighbor.
After six months of practicing lesbianism she was convicted of her sin and sought help. We were able to show her from
the Bible that she was sinning and that God stood ready and willing to forgive and cleanse her. She confessed and
forsook her sin, and continues to this day to live a happy, normal Christian life.

Homosexuality must be accepted for what God says it is-- sin. Some homosexuals will attempt to circumvent the plain
teaching of the Bible with the insipid reply that they are the way God made them. There is not the slightest bit of
evidence in Scripture to support this false concept. God never created man with a so-called "homosexual need." No
baby is born a homosexual. Every baby is born male or female. In every place the Bible refers to homosexuality, the
emphasis is upon the perversion of sexuality. The practicing homosexual is guilty of "leaving the natural use of the
woman" (Romans 1:27), meaning that his behaviour is "against nature" as in the case of the lesbian (Romans 1:26).
Inasmuch as homosexuality is opposed to the regular law and order of nature, the genetic concept must be ruled out
completely. If homosexuality were a genetic problem, there would be little hope for the homosexual simply because
there is no way that the genes in a person can be changed.

Q. Are there contributing factors to homosexuality for which a homosexual might not be responsible?

A. Yes, I believe there are. I have not done much research in this area, however, studies made by others showed varied
deviations from the average or normal parent-child relationship. For example, clinical cases show that some
homosexuals have not had a normal or natural relationship with the parent of the same sex. In some instances there has
been a wide gap between father and son. There are those boys who have been neglected by their unaffectionate fathers.
The boy who has not had a good and wholesome relationship with his father could have an unfulfilled need for a father
relationship with a man. Now that need will not start out as a sexual one, but there are cases on record in which the
sexual relationship has developed. I know one case of a homosexual adult who seduced a 13 year old boy whose father
had forsaken him. Before the boy's contact with the older man he had no knowledge whatever of homosexuality. The
older man seduced the boy.

Lesbianism has been known to follow this same pattern. Some mother-daughter relationships are not conducive to a
normal social and sexual development. One young woman came to her pastor seeking help. She had gotten involved
with a lesbian in the community where she lived, a woman twenty-one years her senior. The girl's parents had a
defective marriage which ended in divorce when the daughter was ten years old. Her mother became bitter and resentful
against all men. She convinced her daughter that men were not to be trusted, and that man's one goal was to exploit
women sexually. The daughter grew up with a fear of men, a fear totally unwarranted. She was an easy victim of the
seductive older lesbian. The good and wise pastor showed the counselee from the Bible that homosexuality was sinful
and that God condemned it. She confessed her sin to God and received Jesus Christ as her Savior and Lord. Today she
is happily married to a fine Christian man.

Q. Do you believe that the homosexual controversy is causing problems for the churches of America?

A. Evil in any form is a problem in the church. It always has been. The greater problem, however, is the church's failure
to discipline evil when it arises. Karl Menninger's book, Whatever Became of Sin?, deals directly with that point. There
are ministers, priests, and rabbis who never talk about sin. There was a time when the minister of God's Word preached
the whole counsel of God. Today many pulpits are silent on the sin question. Sin has become fashionable and therefore
acceptable. When sin gets its victim into serious difficulty, the psychiatrist and psychologist tell him he is sick. The church
must face the fact of sin squarely.

Q. Does the Bible tell us how the church should deal with sexual sins?

A. In Old Testament times in Israel God dealt severely with homosexuals. He warned His people through Moses, "If a
man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). Every Jew knew that homosexuality was an
abomination, a disgusting practice to be loathed, hated. This was God's attitude toward that evil practice. He hated it to
the extent that He considered it worthy of punishment by death. Now God loved His people Israel dearly, and it was
from His great heart of love that He chastened them. The Epistle to the Hebrews says, "For whom the Lord loveth He
chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth" (Hebrews 12:7). When God issued His law forbidding
homosexuality, and the punishment for those persons who violated that law, He did so in order to prevent them from
sinning. However, when anyone broke the law, the offender paid the penalty due him. God is a holy God who hates and
judges sin. Parents who love their children will not refrain from warning them of prevailing evils, nor will they fail to
chasten them when they disobey. The church today not only tolerates sin but in some instances condones it. God does
neither.

In the New Testament the principle of discipline was applied with apostolic authority. In the church at Corinth the young
man who was committing fornication with his step-mother was excommunicated. Paul instructed the church to take that
action "in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . and with the power (i.e. the authority) of our Lord Jesus Christ" (I
Corinthians 5:1-8). In Romans 1:21-32 where Paul shows the Gentile world in its downward plunge into sin, including
the sin of homosexuality, verse 32 concludes with the words, "who knowing the judgment of God, that they which
commit such things are worthy of death . . . " Worthy of death, yes. But today we are not under law but under grace.
People used to hear and heed the Gospel-truth, the message that God is holy, man is a sinner, and that through faith in
the substitutionary death and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, sinful people can be born again and thereby delivered
from the guilt and penalty and practice of their sins.

Q. Do you have any suggestions or recommendations for the church?

A. Nothing is more foundationally essential for the church and the world than a return to the truth. Recently I read where
someone said we are suffering from a famine of the worst kind, "a truth-famine." Our modern culture is in a
degenerating, deteriorating stage caused by a departure from the truth. And I must say unequivocally that truth does not
exist independently of God, and His written Word the Bible, and His Son Jesus Christ. Truth is in no sense of man's
imagination or contrivance. Man in his fallen state does not know truth, and that is why he continues to go on sinning. A
civilization without the truth is doomed to oblivion. Every ancient civilization that ignored God and His laws has
crumbled. Our present civilization is well on the road to doom. We cannot survive independently of God and His Word.

The Church must return to the truth, the whole truth, the sum total of truth founded and grounded upon Him Who said,
"I am the truth" (John 14:6). In our Lord's high priestly prayer for His own He prayed, "Sanctify them through Thy truth:
Thy Word is truth" (John 17:17). There must be in our churches the clear exposition of the Scriptures and a continuing
exaltation of the Person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ if our civilization is to be saved from the disasters that
overcame past civilizations. Any civilization with a philosophy or a doctrine which denies the real truth cannot survive.

Q. Do you see any prophetic significance in the recent homosexual upsurge?

A. Yes, I do. However, I would suggest caution on this point. It is not uncommon for preachers to attach a prophetic
meaning to every earthquake, riot, war, moral scandal or political disaster, labeling all such events as "signs of the times."

The modern homosexual upsweep is one phase of a declining trend in morals. When the disciples asked our Lord,
"What shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the consummation of the age?" He told them that "iniquity shall abound"
(Matthew 24:3, 12). There is today a permissiveness and a promiscuity in sexual behaviour unprecedented in the history
of America. There is little restraint upon the widespread of material containing pictures and writing depicting erotic
behaviour intended to cause sexual excitement. This would be included in our Lord's prophecy about abounding iniquity.

There is also a prophetic statement in Paul's Second Epistle to Timothy which has some bearing upon the subject we are
discussing. Paul said, "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their
own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural
affection . . . " (II Timothy 3:1-3). Homosexuality is an unnatural affection, practiced by persons "that defile themselves
with mankind" (I Timothy 1:10), translated in the New American Standard Version "homosexuals," and in the New
International Version, "perverts." I conclude, in the light of these Scriptures, that the rise of homosexuality is very
definitely a trend which indicates the approaching end of the age.

Q. Have you personally counseled with homosexuals?

A. Yes, in two pastorates over a period of twenty-five years. In each instance the homosexual was a man in his thirties
who had seduced teen-aged boys. The seduction of younger persons is a pattern most homosexuals follow. They seem
to prefer gratifying their lust with youth. This is a pattern typical of men who marry several wives. Men who do not
respect their marriage vows pursue women younger than themselves. One man of wealth was reportedly married and
divorced six times. Most of his wives were young enough to be his daughters. The two homosexual men who applied for
a marriage license in the Maricopa County Clerk's Office in Arizona were 39 and 21 years old, quite a variation in ages.

Q. Do you attach any significance to the age factor you mentioned?

A. Yes, I do. I see a potential threat to young people who are exposed to homosexuals. Older practicing homosexuals
are a threat to the youth.

Q. Do you care to make any comments on the Anita Bryant crusade in Dade County, Florida?

A. In my judgment Anita Bryant was justified in the action she pursued. She did not want her children exposed to the
influence of a practicing homosexual in the public school classroom. Inasmuch as homosexuality is classified in the Bible
as an evil, to insist that children be exposed to homosexual teachers in the public schools would be an infringement upon
the rights of parents and their children. Under no condition would I permit my children to be subjected to the influence of
a sex pervert. As an American citizen I consider that choice to be my right. Anita Bryant laid her career on the line in the
bold and courageous stand she took. She should not have to fight the battle alone. Christians should support her.

Q. What should be the Christian's attitude toward the homosexual?

A. We must always keep before us the fact that homosexuals, like all of us sinners, are the objects of God's love. The
Bible says, "But God commendeth His love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans
5:8). Jesus Christ "is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (I John
2:2). The Christian who shares God's love for lost sinners will seek to reach the homosexual with the gospel of Christ,
which "is the power of God unto salvation, to every one that believeth" (Romans 1:16). As a Christian I should hate all
sin but I can find no justification for hating the sinner. The homosexual is a precious soul for whom Christ died. We
Christians can show him the best way of life by pointing him to Christ. Our Lord said, "Go ye into all the world, and
preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15). We are obligated to take the gospel to all.

Q. How can we help Christians who get involved in the practice of homosexuality?

A. We can help them by seeking to draw their attention to what God says in His Word. In a kind and loving spirit we
can show them that they are wrong. However, the homosexual must admit to the fact that he is living in sin and that he
has the desire to be made free from it. Without a genuine conviction of God's displeasure and a strong desire to do
God's will, there is no hope. A truly born again person cannot continue to practice sin without reaping the results of
miserable unhappiness brought on by loss of fellowship with God, the fear of retribution and the anxiety produced by
guilt. The homosexual must ask himself, "Is the temporary gratification of the flesh worth all the penalty and losses I must
suffer?"

Dr. Strauss taught Old Testament history for eight years at Philadelphia Bible Institute, and served as pastor of the
Calvary Baptist Church, Bristol, Pennsylvania, from 1939 to 1957. He was pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church
(Highland Park, Michigan) until the end of 1963 when he resigned to devote full time to an itinerant Bible conference
and evangelistic ministry both in the States and abroad. Dr. Strauss was writing his 19th book at age 86 when he went
home to be with the Lord in June 1997.

This pamphlet was originally made available through the Biola Hour radio ministry. All written materials are used by
permission.

©1997 Lehman Strauss, Litt.D., F.R.G.S., http://www.bible.org. Anyone is free to reproduce this material and
distribute it, but it may not be sold under any circumstances whatsoever without the author's consent.

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