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Boulden-Jonathan Wayne Posts: 356 |
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Jozef Posts: 425 |
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DeAnna Posts: 800 |
Shalom brother Jonathan, I too have been reading some strange things >> In Comptons Encyclopedia it says >> Also I read in the "book of Jasher" that the sabbath was instituted by Moses getting the pharoah to give the "hebrews/slaves" a day off. Now I afford credit to the book of Jasher due to the fact in the scritpures it refer to it >> "Is it not written in the Book of Jasher?" (Joshua 10:13) "Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher." (2Samuel 1:18) Also... it is interesting to me that in the writings of Zarathushtra (which are noted to be the oldest available??? but 600bc for sure) he speaks of the "Intervening 7th. day", and sings hymms to the moon and how every 7 days it takes on new form, and to the "new moon" and praises the power that the creator has given it to bring about the "Intervening 7th.day". ??? this is from the Avestan that have Zarathrustra's writings in it. It implys that by the power given to the moon to monitor "time", and to bring in the intervening 7th. day.. that this is the 7000th. yr. when the creator will come and make everything right.
I do not search for error because I want to find something "wrong" with this or that. But I do search for error... much in the way I seek out my "own error", for this is my only hope for changing from the error of my ways. I also truly feel that if we look for understanding then we must also 'look" or be aware of errors. For if something is true then we should find no errors in it. I believe it is greatly possible that not every word, even in the original hebrews scriptures is accurate or correct. (as we can see through all of the "translations" that there is error. Quite possibly much of the error was through determination. But I believe this can even be so with the translator being even of a sincere heart. Now you know from the time of Moses to Yashua the scrolls had to of been rewritten, and copied... and as their language changed they were subject to a comprimising understanding. Just as it is difficult to go from hebrew to english. Maybe there is something to that old saying "hidden treasure". I believe the messiah came in the "middle of the week"/4000th. yr. to set everything straight and to give people another chance. But now again we have translations and errors in the new testament as well. Now the children of Israel went through the red sea shortly comeing out of egypt/bondage/darkness. And this was a "babtism" (Rom.10;1) and shortly after Moses went up into the mount and was there for 40 days and nights and did not eat or drink, and the children were tempted by satan and made unto themselves a golden calf. (their own religion) Now Yahshua gets babtized, (Matt 3) and goes into the desert and is there for 40 days and nights etc. and tempted by satan... (Matt 4)THEN... afterwards he go straight way and "heals" of desease etc. (Like the children had to "clean" themselves and be ready for the 3rd day) Then after there is a series of healing/cleansing, he goes up to the mount with his "12" diciples, and gives "instruction for the way to life". I believe what Y'shua spoke to the diciples upon that mount was the true "law/instruction". Mathew chapt.'s 5,6,7... and chapt 8 he comes down. Then straight way heals a leper. and the leper is instructed to "go give the gift that Moses commanded" ??? I found this >> Le 14:7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field. Is the "bird" flying free over an open field the gift? (anybody?) Anyway... this reminded me of when moses calls for Yah to heal aaron's wife, but I don't know if it would "line up or not.. well... this is what I have been thinking lately. Shalom, DeAnna IP: Logged |
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Jozef Posts: 425 |
Shalom DeAnne, I have not forgotten you, and often look for your posts. Me too, went through a period of confusion, after the excitement died down finding Yahushua. It became clear to me that finding him was not enough... singing hymns alone did not give me my "highs", and speaking in tongues lost a little of its novelty, with other words I was at cross roads.... "There had to be more...." I looked in every corner and even outside, I had a peep into the religion of my sister ( new age )but quickly found that focus was only on SELF, ME, an I. What was it I felt so strange about? stagnated as it where? After all I was saved, and baptized an all.! But still very traditional Christian. (nothing wrong with an in between station) but I needed to go on the train again, I needed to go further,,,FURTHER. Further, That's what it was... That feeling.... I needed to go ON. On to what, and where? A new search...and I found a little group of people who lived together in a commune as Jews. We (me and my family) visited them frequently on shabbat and feasts. This was a strange bunch, It looked like a Hippie commune. All men wore beards, all moment scarves and long dresses. En the men even got circumcised. I think I might have told you before.had gone to far I thought. this is more than 15 years ago. I stayed in touch with them for several years, until the leader ( a Jewish lady) told me I should grow a beard. I did not want that! no beard for me thank you! I was respectable, and not a Hippie. One year later I grew a beard. I also left the Church I was very It had a great fascination to me though... but they Unhappy in. so I left and immigrated. That felt good. Free, man free hallelujah...... until. There was nothing out there, I was free in a spiritual desert. only nothing and more of the same,... nothing. So we began to pray for true guidance. Bring it to U Yahweh, bring it to Us... We are blind and don't even know what we are looking fore.. show us. And You know how many weirdoes presented themselves to us, It looked as if the floodgates of hell were opened. But it also showed us VERY CLEARLY that it had nothing to offer as temporal kicks. No, not for us, thank you we passed them by, one after the other. Than one night as I was reading the bible, the scripture stood out " You have forsaken your first love" in the book of rev. 2:4. And that first love was "His Words". I remembered how this first love felt, when I read the Bible the first time. No other book ever felt the same. I never fall in love with a book, this must have been MORE than a BOOK, it was a living book it was Yahushua, the word of Yahweh made flesh in my heart. So back to basics, and I have not fallen out of love yet. I think it is human nature to see if you could do better elsewhere, but He is my MORE THAN ENOUGH loved one, My EL SHADDAI. more than enough. Tares come to my eyes to see others having to go through, I am probably more a heart man, than intellect. But it is from there that I truly found Him, and not through much learning or Theology. (Although I have great respect for scholars, but their wisdom is only from the mind.) Dear DeAnne, I only wanted to share my heart with you and Boulden-Jonathan Wayne on this post. Love and Shalom Jozef. IP: Logged |
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DeAnna Posts: 800 |
Shalom Jozef, It is always so good to hear from you. I too have read about that "first love" and have often wondered what it meant. When I read your post, and what you came to realize it meant... well.. it brought tears. Yes the "zeal" seems to come and go... especially when I feel confused, knowing that Yah is not the author of confusion, I tend to get a bit "worried" when I feel confused. Sometimes after the confusion clears way I come to a better understanding and feel i have "grown" some, this time around seems to be a bit longer though... Since I have moved to Hawaii, I barely leave the house. I don't help people like I used too. I am never around anyone to be of any assistance to them. The only time I feel really good is when I am singing to him. When I lift my voice in praise, and for a moment I don't have to have knowledge, only gratitude and thankfulness, this is when I feel the best. Trying not to "ask" him for anything, just thank him for what he has given, and all that I have. i have been trying to "break" from the computer and read more in books etc. Keep telling myself I'm gonna take a break from reading all togeather and spend time with my son and family etc. but I am addicted to the scriptures, and everytime i have a thought, there i go again... searching the scriptures. I envy Abraham... no scriptures to read, or any 666's to figure out, just a believeing righteous man living a righteous life in the midst of all the evils. No major "laws" to contend with, only common sense right from wrong. When I study the "laws" I start to feel so overwhelmed and so far gone, I just cry every time, feeling so lost. Then I read when people say that feeling like the law is a "burden" is because they are evil and hate the laws of righteousness... this scares me. I still don't understand the "festivals" nor do I feel convicted to keep them, but a fear for "lack" of conviction would be more like it. To be honest with you Jozef, even when I sing my hymms when it comes to singing out the name.. all the names go through my head.. "yahweh, yahuah, yahueh, Yahushua, yahshua, yashua, yasha"... and again i feel a bit lost. When I was a young girl, I played guitar and wrote songs. Once I sang a song at "grant's theatre" in New Albany IN. I had written when I was 14 or 15 and the theme of the song was >>> "now do you see me? I thought of this the other day, and felt that nastalga of being that little girl again, right back to where I was. at first it made me sad, and I felt somewhat defeated. but there arose hope from remembering that even then he was on my mind, and has never left. and I pray he never does. your friend, By the way... when you posted your picture I tried like the dickens to post mine for you, but never did figure it out. Then i was going to e-mail you a picture of me and my family and our computer went on the brink and we lost all that we had scanned in. one of these days we'll scann more and I'll send it.
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peralta_mike Posts: 176 |
http://www.pacinter.net/users/chawman/homo1.htm Homosexuality: The Christian Perspective by Lehman Strauss, Litt.D., F.R.G.S.
A. Homosexuality is the manifestation of sexual desire toward a member of one's own sex or the erotic activity with a Q. How does one determine if the practice of homosexuality is right or wrong? A. That depends upon who is answering the question. The Christian point of view is based solely upon the Bible, the Q. What explicitly does the Bible teach about homosexuality? A. This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit First, there is adultery. Adultery in the natural sense is sexual intercourse of a married person with someone other than Second, there is fornication, the illicit sex acts of unmarried persons which is likewise forbidden (I Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, Then there is homosexuality which likewise is condemned in Scripture. The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly on the matter when He said, "There shall be no But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house around, both The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is ya,,daŽ, a sexual term. It is used frequently to denote sexual intercourse Q. You said that sexua1 intercourse outside of marriage is condemned in the Bible. How do you explain marriage A. There are cases on record where a marriage license was issued to persons of the same sex. I recall one such incident However, to call a union of two persons of the same sex a "marriage" is a misnomer. In the Bible, marriage is a divinely Q. A Jesuit Priest, John J. McNeill, reportedly said in a conference (Christianity Today, June 3, 1977), "There is no A. This particular Jesuit priest, like some other supposedly Christian theologians, have totally ignored the Scriptures as However, religious sex perverts are plentiful among protestants. Protestant leaders on both sides of the Atlantic have Recently in America ten homosexually oriented religious organizations, comprised of men and women from more than a Representing the women at that retreat, Nancy Krody a lesbian, spoke on "The Lesbian Christian Experience." Here Malcolm Boyd speaks about "The Gay Male Christian Experience." Boyd, a protestant clergyman, says he has been a Following is one point on which the speakers at Kirkbridge agreed: "A monogamous homosexual relationship Any evil condemned in Scripture cannot be honoring to God. Homosexual religious leaders attempt to smooth over the Q. Why do homosexuals refer to themselves as "gay"? A. The word "gay" means merry, exuberant, bright, lively. More recently it has been adopted by homosexuals. In its Q. You made reference to First Corinthians 6:9-11. What is the meaning of the word "effeminate" in verse 9? A. There are certain words in every language that can be used in a good or bad sense. In the context of this verse the Q. Are there other Scriptures in the New Testament which deal with homosexuality? A. Yes. Romans 1:24-27; I Timothy 1:10 and Jude 7. If one takes these Scriptures seriously, homosexuality will be The philosophy of substituting God's Word with one's own reasoning commenced with Satan. He introduced it at the In Romans 1:26-31 twenty-three punishable sins are listed with homosexuality leading the list. Paul wrote, "For this Q. There are those persons who say that homosexuality, even though a perverted form of the normal, God-ordained A. I read in a periodical that in June, 1963 a panel of specialists in medicine, psychiatry, law, sociology and theology There are possibly a number of different ways in which homosexual practices could begin. When boys and girls reach A young Christian woman came to our office in Detroit for counseling. She became involved in lesbianism when her Homosexuality must be accepted for what God says it is-- sin. Some homosexuals will attempt to circumvent the plain Q. Are there contributing factors to homosexuality for which a homosexual might not be responsible? A. Yes, I believe there are. I have not done much research in this area, however, studies made by others showed varied Lesbianism has been known to follow this same pattern. Some mother-daughter relationships are not conducive to a Q. Do you believe that the homosexual controversy is causing problems for the churches of America? A. Evil in any form is a problem in the church. It always has been. The greater problem, however, is the church's failure Q. Does the Bible tell us how the church should deal with sexual sins? A. In Old Testament times in Israel God dealt severely with homosexuals. He warned His people through Moses, "If a In the New Testament the principle of discipline was applied with apostolic authority. In the church at Corinth the young Q. Do you have any suggestions or recommendations for the church? A. Nothing is more foundationally essential for the church and the world than a return to the truth. Recently I read where The Church must return to the truth, the whole truth, the sum total of truth founded and grounded upon Him Who said, Q. Do you see any prophetic significance in the recent homosexual upsurge? A. Yes, I do. However, I would suggest caution on this point. It is not uncommon for preachers to attach a prophetic The modern homosexual upsweep is one phase of a declining trend in morals. When the disciples asked our Lord, There is also a prophetic statement in Paul's Second Epistle to Timothy which has some bearing upon the subject we are Q. Have you personally counseled with homosexuals? A. Yes, in two pastorates over a period of twenty-five years. In each instance the homosexual was a man in his thirties Q. Do you attach any significance to the age factor you mentioned? A. Yes, I do. I see a potential threat to young people who are exposed to homosexuals. Older practicing homosexuals Q. Do you care to make any comments on the Anita Bryant crusade in Dade County, Florida? A. In my judgment Anita Bryant was justified in the action she pursued. She did not want her children exposed to the Q. What should be the Christian's attitude toward the homosexual? A. We must always keep before us the fact that homosexuals, like all of us sinners, are the objects of God's love. The Q. How can we help Christians who get involved in the practice of homosexuality? A. We can help them by seeking to draw their attention to what God says in His Word. In a kind and loving spirit we Dr. Strauss taught Old Testament history for eight years at Philadelphia Bible Institute, and served as pastor of the This pamphlet was originally made available through the Biola Hour radio ministry. All written materials are used by ©1997 Lehman Strauss, Litt.D., F.R.G.S., http://www.bible.org. Anyone is free to reproduce this material and IP: Logged |
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