04/23/2009 Comments, Questions & Answers Transcript


Today's Study Title: "Our Words & the 144,000"


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EliYah:
- Blessed be Yahweh. At this time of the broadcast, I'd like to go ahead and open the phone lines for your phone calls. Our telephone number is 417-683-3575 or toll free 866-435-4924.
- If you have a comment, question, a prayer request, shofar blast, or just whatever you want to share with the brethren, as Yahweh leads, a word of encouragement, a psalm, a hymn. We like to make this a time of interaction and get all the brethren involved here in the broadcast today. I believe our first caller is on the line right now.
- Is that Richard Roe? Are you there, brother? Are you with us? Brother Richard, are you there? All right, not there on that line. We'll try the other one. Shabbat Shalom. Who's calling?

Richard:
- Shabbat Shalom. Richard Roe here.

EliYah:
- There's Brother Richard. How are you doing, brother?

Richard:
- Very good talk today, very good on the right words and the right spirit and the use of the tongue. Very interesting, very good.

EliYah:
- HalleluYah.

Richard:
- I would like to ask you a question or two about some subjects. So if you get tired of me, just hang up.

EliYah:
- [laughs]

Richard:
- One thing I want to know is in Revelation 7 and 14, you mentioned briefly today the 144,000. Do you see any difference between chapter 7 and 14 on who the 144,000 are?

EliYah:
- It looks like the same group to me, but I'm not an expert on prophecy. It looks like the same group both being described. How about you?

Richard:
- Well, I'm not really sure. I had a man tell me the other day what his ideas were. In chapter 7, he said it lists 12 of the 14 tribes of Israel, 12,000 from each tribe, which would make 144,000.
- It seems to him like that was describing those 144,000 who would be rulers on earth from the 12 Jewish tribes of Israel, whereas the ones in chapter 14 seemed to be ones in heaven that were brought from the earth. They're not on the earth.
- He believes the ones in chapter 7 were from people on the earth, and the ones in chapter 14 are a separate group, same number, a separate group, but different in that they went from the earth to heaven. Seemingly, to him, it indicates they were Gentiles in chapter 14.

EliYah:
- Okay.

Richard:
- And also he said in chapter 4, these 24 elders sing this song. In chapter 14, which is not mentioned in chapter 7, these 144,000 can sing a song that nobody else can sing. So there again in chapter 4, I believe, the 24 elders are pictured as being around the throne in heaven, which they are not pictured in chapter 7, he said, I believe.
- Some of the things I read and I can see where he gets it from, but some of the other ones I don't think I can get it from that.

EliYah:
- I don't know. It looks like the same group to me. I don't see there being 288,000 or something like that. One day we'll find out one way or the other.

Richard:
- Sure will. And in chapter 7, who would you interpret the great crowd there to be, besides the 144,000.

EliYah:
- What verse?

Richard:
- I think it's chapter 7, verse 14, is it? Let me look here. I'm not sure.

Revelation 7:14 - And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Richard:
- Yeah, I believe that's it, yeah. Yeah, chapter 7, right.

EliYah:
- So there will be a great tribulation. It seems to me the great tribulation could very well be in our lifetime. We want to make sure that we come out of that white in the blood of the Lamb and that we seek to fit the attributes.
- That's really what I've focused on is trying to look at the attributes of the 144,000, being without fault before the throne of Yahweh and able to bridle the tongue by the power of Yahweh, and have His Father's name and His name on our foreheads.
- If I'm ignorant of exactly that all pans up, that's one thing, but I need to really be sure that the things I'm doing, I'm fitting those attributes if I hope to be a part of them.

Richard:
- What if you, or I, or anybody else failed in that? Then what?

EliYah:
- Well, then we wouldn't be a part of that. We would be a part of another group altogether.

Richard:
- Maybe this great crowd?

EliYah:
- Possibly.

Richard:
- The great multitude?

EliYah:
- Possibly.

Richard:
- Revelation 7:9.

EliYah:
- Right.

Revelation 7:9 - After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

EliYah:
- Right. It would be another crowd or group of some kind that we would be a part of otherwise, but we're looking to be among the elite, and the great multitude is after them in Revelation 7:9.
- We could be either one, but it seems the elite would be the ideal thing.

Richard:
- Wouldn't the ransom apply to both groups?

EliYah:
- Would what?

Richard:
- Wouldn't the ransom be equally applied to both groups?

EliYah:
- I certainly would think so. I think it's something every man has to be sure that they are. In order to receive salvation, no one comes to the Father except through the Messiah, and so we have to accept the blood of the Lamb in order to be a part of even the great multitude.
- They are before the Lamb. They stand before the throne with palms in their hands. Salvation belongs to our Elohim which sits upon the throne and to the Lamb. So they recognize the Lamb of Yahweh, as well.

Richard:
- Sure. Whether the one group or the other, they're both equally forgiven. So it wouldn't matter from that regard whether you were with one group or the other. Your sins would be equally forgiven, provided you accepted the ransom and repented of your sin.

EliYah:
- Right, but there's also rewards. Yahushua said be sure you don't lose your reward. Many times it seems the greater reward would seem to be among this elite group. So when we have our works and things burned, whatever is stubble, wood, and of the world, we ourselves may be saved, but the things we've built may not be.

Richard:
- So what would that reward be? Who would offer it, and how would they obtain it then if both are forgiven for their mistakes, or sins, or errors equally? Would that iron out the differences there might be in the two groups?

EliYah:
- We're forgiven in the sense that it's not held--we're not going to be lost or without salvation, but there's such a thing as a man who bears thirtyfold and a man who bears a hundredfold. Some sixty, some thirty, some a hundredfold.

Richard:
- Right. So what would that mean? How would that bearing 30, 60, or 100? What would you have to do to do that, in other words?

EliYah:
- The Word takes root in our hearts, and we go out and do the works of Elohim. We are following the Lamb's voice wherever He goes. He may be instructing us in spreading His Word, in proclaiming His ways, in turning many to righteousness.

Daniel 12:2 - And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:3 - And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
- We want to walk in righteousness and also turn others to righteousness, as well.

Richard:
- So then the 30, 60, and 100 would be the people that we would turn to righteousness, would you say?

EliYah:
- I wouldn't say it would be limited to those. Someone turned me to righteousness, and I hope to be a part of the 144,000. We've all been turned to righteousness through some ways, and Yahweh used men to do so, whether we're reading from the book of Matthew, or someone is sharing the Word with us.
- We all owe a debt to Yahweh ultimately, who worked through some person that He appointed to turn us to righteousness.

Richard:
- Would the 30, 60, and 100 refer to the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, self control and so on?

EliYah:
- I'm not following you. What did you say?

Richard:
- Would the fruits, rather than the individual people, like Daniel you read there said, would that rather be fruits of righteousness: love, joy, peace. Galatians 5, in other words.

EliYah:
- Certainly, and part of that love is love for our fellow man and that we serve our fellow man and turning them to righteousness because we love them. That's all a part of it.

Richard:
- Very good. And also having the right words and the right tongue use, as you said during your talk. Right?

EliYah:
- Right, and that's going to take the words of Yahweh to turn people to righteousness, and the words of men will be limited in their focus, and they're going to draw people to glorify man, rather than to glorify Yahweh.

Richard:
- Exactly. In that regard, I would like to ask you, I know you said you use "The Scriptures" which has the name Yahweh in Aramaic letters, I believe it is, nearly 7,000 times.

EliYah:
- Right.

Richard:
- According to my count, I count 7,018 times that the name Yahweh occurs in the [inaudible] edition of the Biblia Hebraica. I'm wondering why there is not a translation that prints the name Yahweh 10,000 times throughout the Old and New Testaments? Wouldn't that be possible, do you think?

EliYah:
- Well, "The Scriptures" version does that. It does it in the Old and New. It would be an interesting study to just try to find out how many times the word is used in the New Testament.
- But there's, in my attempt to come to the conclusion on that one, that there was like over 100 places where it says, "the Master," in the New Testament, and I couldn't determine for sure 100% whether it was talking about the Father or the Son, which presents a major problem.

Richard:
- That's especially in the book of Acts, is it?

EliYah:
- I'm sorry, what?

Richard:
- Does that occur especially in the book of Acts where it's hard to tell between one or the other?

EliYah:
- Yeah, I think it was the book of Acts that's pretty heavy on that. Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's talking about the Son or talking about the Father. That makes it difficult to try to restore the name where it originally stood.

Richard:
- If there was a quote from the Old Testament where the name Yahweh occurs, and that would be pretty easy to say it should be there in the New Testament, right?

EliYah:
- Say it one more time.

Richard:
- Sure. If the New Testament has a quote from the Old Testament, like Isaiah 61...

EliYah:
- Yeah, that's going to be a definite place where the name stands. There's not going to be any doubt or question on that. I think I actually found a number of places in the New Testament, yeah. Let's see, there is--let me see if I can count here.

Richard:
- Sure

EliYah:
- There are just so many places where the New Testament quotes the Old Testament.

Richard:
- Right.

EliYah:
- I'd have to limit it down now. There's so many now where the name of Yahweh is included.

Richard:
- Yes, right.

EliYah:
- And so it looks to me--let's see--1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6--I'll have to count it up for you.

Richard:
- Sure.

EliYah:
- But there's several dozen times where the Old Testament is quoted in the New Testament. In those places, we definitely know that the name of Yahweh stood.

Richard:
- Right.

EliYah:
- There are going to be other places, particularly in phrases such as "the angel of Yahweh," "Yahweh of hosts," other words like that that were very commonly used together in the Old Testament. We can reliably say that those were where the sacred name stood, as well.

Richard:
- Sure.

EliYah:
- But in the Aramaic, the Pasheda, they have a distinction between where they believe the sacred name stood and where the name Master is.

Richard:
- Oh, really?

EliYah:
- And where the sacred name stood, they have MarYah. But there are a few places that just don't make sense. For instance, just the way it uses the name almost like you would use a title. Yahweh of all the earth. Seemed like Master of all the earth would be more appropriate.

Richard:
- Sure.

EliYah:
- MarYah of all the earth, I'm not aware of a similar statement in the Old Testament, but things like that cause me to doubt a little bit, but it's probably more accurate than what we have in the Greek.

Richard:
- You equate it with nomina sacra?

EliYah:
- Yeah, nomina sacra would be where they put a line above the Greek words they felt were divine titles and may have originally contained the sacred name in those places, but I've not been able to get access to any manuscripts that would differentiate where the nomina sacra actually stood.

Richard:
- You mean originally?

EliYah:
- Yeah, where the nomina sacra was in the actual Greek manuscripts in certain places, and they felt a divine title was there. They put a line above the different things like that. That would be an interesting study, if anyone wanted to get scholarly and start doing research on that. That would be beautiful to do that.

EliYah:
- Do you ready Spanish?

EliYah:
- No, I don't read Spanish. I can read it. I don't understand it. [laughs]

Richard:
- I know what you mean, yeah. No, there is a book in Spain now about the nomina sacra, and it's about six years old, and it goes into greater detail than any other book or publication on that name.
- I understand a professor that reads Hebrew, speaks it real well, went to college over there for a number of years, and he told me about the booklet. He says it's very good, better than anything we've ever written before. And I read where you're not going to be able to understand the nomina sacra until you are acquainted with that booklet.
- So I'm trying to find someone that can read Spanish. I don't mean Mexican, I mean Spanish from Spain. There is a difference, especially in regard to theological terms, for some reason.

EliYah:
- I see. Are you still with us? Hello. Well, must have bumped his telephone. All right, anyway, nomina sacra, you could actually look up that term on the internet and find some interesting things about that.
- The sacred name originally stood definitely in the scriptures in the New Testament, but there was a concerted effort on the part of certain people in Christianity to take the name out of the scriptures.
- Actually, the word nomina sacra means sacred name. They abbreviate certain things. They put a line above it and did different things. They did it with more than the name of Yahweh. They did other names, including the name of Yahushua and different things. Look it up on Wikipedia, and it'll tell you more about it. Kind of an interesting thing to read.
- I believe we have some other callers here. I believe there is--all right, looks like both lines are taken now. Brother Curtis on line two. Shabbat Shalom. Are you with us?

Curtis:
- Hello.

EliYah:
- Curtis.

Curtis:
- Shabbat Shalom.

EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom. How are you doing?

Curtis:
- Good.

EliYah:
- Very well. HalleluYah.

Curtis:
- How's everyone there?

EliYah:
- So what's the latest?

Curtis:
- Well, we have been delivered. We made it through the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

EliYah:
- HalleluYah. Do you have something you wanted to share? Comments, question.

Curtis:
- Yeah, I did. I do. Hold on.

EliYah:
- Okay.

Curtis & family:
- [Curtis blows shofar]
- Praise Yahweh!

EliYah:
- HalleluYah!

Curtis:
- [Curtis blows shofar]
- Charge!
- [EliYah laughs]

Curtis:
- I had to stick that one in there again.

EliYah:
- We were actually looking at Numbers 10 this past--or actually last Sabbath. There was the alarm sound. It talked about when Yahushua returns, I think we're going to be hearing an alarm sound, possibly.

Curtis:
- Yeah, that's the repeated short little bursts, right?

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- Yeah, yeah. The da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

EliYah:
- Maybe you can do that for us.

Curtis:
- Does it end with a long one? I'm not sure. I was looking at that, too, not too long ago, and it definitely said the distinction between the long. Well, of course, that's the way they warned and got ready and moved out.
- You do that really well on the shofar that you have there. I've heard you do that.
- [Curtis blows shofar]
- Something like that.

EliYah:
- All right. Most people are going to say, "What is that noise?"

Curtis:
- Yeah.

EliYah:
- And we're going to say, "Ah, it's the alarm!"

Curtis:
- Around here they're going to say, "It's that crazy guy down the road with the goats again blowing his horn or something." [Curtis' daughter laughing in the background]

EliYah:
- Yeah. I think it might be a little bit louder.

Curtis:
- [laughs] Yeah.

EliYah:
- A little more intense.

Curtis:
- Yeah and probably like a cricket, where you really can't tell where it's coming from.

EliYah:
- Uh-huh.

Curtis:
- Like that. I was going to sing a song with the girls first, and then I did have a question. Is that okay?

EliYah:
- That'd be fine.

Curtis:
- All right.

Sonshine Girls:
- Shabbat Shalom!

EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom!

Curtis:
- Okay, this is kind of loud, so let's see if we can tone it down a little bit.

EliYah:
- Curtis and his children and his wife are ready to sing a song for us, as we wait patiently. All right, we ready, brother? Here we go.

Curtis:
- HalleluYah, praise Yahweh.
- [Curtis and family minister in song, "Yahweh"]

EliYah:
- HalleluYah!

Curtis:
- HalleluYah! HalleluYah.

EliYah:
- Sounded beautiful. I can hear the broadcast echoing in the background.

Curtis:
- [Curtis and family minister in song, "Shine, Yahushua, Shine"]

EliYah:
- HalleluYah!

Curtis:
- Amein.

EliYah:
- HalleluYah. I appreciate you sharing that. That was really good. I enjoyed that.

Curtis:
- Thanks, yeah. Praise Yahweh. That always makes me remember a short little story about years ago I did this camp up in Massachusetts, and their day came around where they had to take the Gospel out of the buildings. Great revelation, idea.
- So they had this day called--what did they call it? The March for Jesus. That was it. The March for Jesus.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- And I was at this camp, and it was a Christian camp. I was the head of the food service. They asked me to head up their food service, a pretty good size camp. I had a blast doing that. That was at the beginning of the summer, the end of May or something, and I remember them talking about that, and I said, "Oh, guys, we've got to do this."
- I was on Martha's Vineyard there. That's where the camp was. We had college week there right before the summer started, and all these college students were getting the camp ready, and there was one young guy about 19 who got all fired up.
- I said, "Come on, we're going to go down to Vineyard Haven and march down the middle of the street, and we're going to sing, and play, and just make a big parade."
- And a couple of the adults were like, "Oh, no, we're not going to do that." They were embarrassed. I said, "Come on. Are you going to deny Him? What are you going to do? Come on, let's go."
- So a couple of them said, "Okay, yeah, yeah, we'll go." A couple of adults. And, of course, this young guy was all with me, and he and I marched down the main street of Vineyard Haven where the ferry comes in to Martha's Vineyard, marched down the main street, me playing the guitar, and we sang all up and down, back and forth.
- The adults wouldn't even come close to us. They came out there, this couple, and they kind of watched us like we were freaks, you know.
- And I said, "Oh, yeah, they're like shills. Clap or something. Get everybody out here. Let's get some people enthusiastic and interested and take the Gospel out of the building and out to the streets and to the people! They're not going to the churches!" It was so funny. It was so sad.

EliYah:
- In the mid-90's we went to Columbus, Ohio, where we lived at the time. We went to the March for Jesus, except we held up these banners that said, "March for Yahushua."
- And we had sacred name and everything held up, huge banners, and there was a group there that went to this, and made all these different things, and it ended up on the Christian television, their local, and that was a pretty interesting experience.
- And we ended up passing out I want to say somewhere around 1,000 tracks trying to encourage the Christians attending there in the sacred name. That was pretty neat.

Curtis:
- So you did get a bunch of questions then.

EliYah:
- Yeah, we got some questions, and we got some people that didn't really like what we were doing. We were off site, the area where people were walking back to their cars. That's where we passed them out, so we weren't bothering anybody. We had a little get-together afterward with the big stage, and music, and different things.
- I went there with my grandparents, who were also believers and very focused on evangelism. They do a lot of passing out tracts, so that was a good time. I'll never forget that.

Curtis:
- And the people didn't like what you were doing?

EliYah:
- Some people didn't want us to be passing out tracts. They were trying to make this a nondenominational thing. It was sort of a ecumenical thing. We all just love Jesus, and that's all that matters. But we saw the opportunity. We didn't bother anybody that was on the grounds, but just on the sidewalks.
- It's perfectly legal to pass out tracts on the sidewalks. I think we probably passed out 1,000 of them. So it was pretty neat, especially when you hand them to your children, and your children--no adult will turn away a tract from a child. Very rarely.

Curtis:
- But it wasn't a denominational thing on your part. There wasn't any denominational stuff on the tract. Did they think it was a Messianic thing or something?

EliYah:
- In those days, they didn't even know what a Messianic was. Messianic was an almost unheard of term. They didn't know what we were. They figured we were a denomination of some kind, but we weren't, of course. We were just trying to share truth, that's all.

Curtis:
- Yeah. Well, we're nondenominational. We're into the ecumenical thing. Come on. [laughs] All the same book. That's what I can't figure out. Are you reading this book? We're supposed to be reading it. It's really important. It takes time. It takes time to sit down and really lay it out, and take notes, and make notes, and timelines, and work it all out, see what lines up.
- I did a bunch of that over Passover, because it's all through the first books of Mosheh and then, of course, several other places. It says throughout your generations, so it's written about throughout the whole book.

EliYah:
- Yahweh's memorial to all generations.

Curtis:
- Yeah.

EliYah:
- Yep.

Curtis:
- Yeah, and it's written in context from Genesis to Revelation.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- That was one of my questions. The names like that, Bereshith or Wayyiqra, Devarim. It's not like that's vanity using Deuteronomy instead of Devarim. We're not really speaking Hebrew, and it sounds kind of funny when you go back and forth.
- I lived in South America for awhile, and some of the people would--half a sentence would be Spanish, and the other half would be English. It was kind of silly.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- But you were talking about keeping the names, and that's a commandment on His name, but like the other names, I'm forever trying to be real nonchalant in correcting James is not Yaakov. It's not a translation from Yaakov, but everybody knows it as the book of James. Jacob would be a translation, right?

EliYah:
- That would be more accurate, closer to accuracy anyway than James. Yaakov would be his actual name.

Curtis:
- Why is James in there? I've always heard it was because of King James.

EliYah:
- Yeah, I think you go back to the Greek, it has Iakobos, 2385, Iakobos, which they put an "s" on the end of Hebrew names to designate a masculine ending. But the Greek is actually closer than the English James. It should be Yaakov, and the Greek has Iakobos.

Curtis:
- Yeah, that put "os" or "us" on all men's names.

EliYah:
- So why on earth did it go from Iakobos to James can only be explained, as far as I can think of, is King James must have figured his name was descended from Yaakov, and just kind of took it from there.

Curtis:
- Yeah.

EliYah:
- They sound very different. If you look at Y-a-k versus Y-a-m, and then e-s versus o-b. So they're quite different, so I'm not really sure how James was somehow descended from Jacob or Yaakov.

Curtis:
- I kind of think that may be close to the truth that King James wanted his name in there.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- Well, like you said, he kind of made it out that that's where his name was translated from.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- Yaakov.

EliYah:
- That would be an interesting thing to look up, to study the origins of the name James, how it ever ended up coming from Yaakov. Maybe it went through Latin or something.

Curtis:
- I've got another one here, Proverbs 26. I want your take on it, on 4 and 5.

Proverbs 26:4 - Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
- It seems that's contradictory, but I don't see it that way.

EliYah:
- Yeah, there is no answering a fool. He ends up being a fool still. Nothing you can do about it. He won't listen. But maybe there's times where you don't do one, and you do the other.

Curtis:
- Exactly, that's where I kind of see it. There with the sermon you've got to see, answering a fool, sometimes some situations, I guess some people you're going to look as foolish as them, but other times you need to answer them, lest--like they say, not saying anything is consent.
- If you don't oppose it, then you're expressing consent by saying nothing. I guess that could be true. It can be true sometimes. I think that's some of the cases here, where somebody is saying something foolish. If you don't say anything, they're like "Wow, I guess I'm right. Nobody really opposed it."
- There's some cases where you need to say something, lest they go off thinking they're heading in the right direction, saying the right thing, saying a wise thing, or heading in a wise way.
- And other times it's just like you said. There's nothing you're going to say. It's not going to be just as foolish as what they're saying and doing.

EliYah:
- The first one, not answering him, lest you be like him, that affects us. If you answer him, you might end up like him. He may convince you that you're not right or something. Maybe it's just best not to answer, because the other one affects him. He's not going to change. He's going to be wise in his own eyes.
- There may be a time and place for both. The main thing is that Yahweh leads our words and that we try to discern from His Ruach HaKodesh, His Spirit, when to speak and when not to speak. There's a time not to speak, and Yahushua demonstrated that.
- He didn't answer Herod, and then He didn't say a whole lot until toward the end where He said, "You said it," as He was standing before the Sanhedrin, about "Are you the Messiah?" He said, "Then hereafter you shall the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Yahweh in the clouds of heaven."
- With that statement, they condemned Him. So one time He didn't answer, and another time He did. The time He did, He just stated the truth, and because of the truth, they convicted Him. They said He blasphemed, which He never did, but they said He did.

Curtis:
- Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. That's what they were looking for. They were accusing Him from the beginning.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- If He said a single syllable, they were going to say, "Ah, blasphemy!"

EliYah:
- Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes.

Curtis:
- But He wasn't going to deny it. Basically, He said very little, but what I hear is, "You said it, I didn't."

EliYah:
- Right. I think the reason He answered was because the High Priest said, "I adjure you," which is taking an oath. "I adjure you." I'd have to look it up. Let's see. Matthew 26:63.

Matthew 26:63 - But Yahushua held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living Elohim, that thou tell us whether thou be the Messiah, the Son of the Almighty.
- And then at that is when Yahushua said to Him, "Thou hast said."
Matthew 26:64 - Yahushua saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
- There's something about that word "adjure." It's to force an oath or to extract an oath, and it comes from exorcism. That's how the Jewish exorcists did their exorcisms. In Acts 19:13:
Acts 19:13 - Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Saviour Yahushua, saying, We adjure you by Yahushua whom Paul preacheth.
- You find it again in Mark 7:9. So there's something about that word to extract an oath. I've not quite come to a full understanding how you can force an oath like that, solemnly, to implore, administer an oath to somehow as to where a person to respond.
- But that's how they ended up casting out demons was through a process of adjuring, which is different than the way Yahushua and His disciples cast out demons. In the name of Yahushua is how obviously.
- Yahushua cast them out by His authority, and the disciples did so in the name of Yahushua. It seems to be a difference between the two methods. Everything else okay down there?

Curtis:
- Yeah.

EliYah:
- Everybody doing well?

Curtis:
- Yeah, yeah. We're doing okay. We need prayer, as usual. We're just overcoming.

EliYah:
- All right.

Curtis:
- Moving along.

EliYah:
- Any other comments or questions?

Curtis:
- Yeah, I just wanted to say one more thing about where a few times where I was reminded during your study, the few times some of them were when he was healing people, delivering from sickness, illness, bondage, demonic or whatnot, but there's another one here in John, Yohanan 7. It's at a feast.

John 7:15 - And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
John 7:16 - Yahushua answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of YAHWEH, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:18 - He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
- Of course, He's talking about Himself all this time.
John 7:19 - Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
John 7:20 - The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
- I think this is the one where shortly after that they say, "Is this the one they're looking to kill?" Here they say, "What are you talking about? You have a demon."
- Several places, it's mentioned throughout. And like you started your study in following Him, there's times like in the Proverbs, there's times when you have to speak up, and people are just going to bash you, just like they did Him. They're just going to say that you're messed up or whatever, because you speak up.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- But as you said, and for me it's very difficult. For all of us, I'm sure it's just absolutely necessary to really examine ourselves and our motivations and make sure that it's encouragement.
- I rambled a bunch last week when I called for the first time in months. I listened to that on your transcripts. Because I really didn't say--I was just kind of dancing all around what I really wanted to say.
- It's real important that we examine ourselves and our motivations and that they're of Him, which is encouraging, life-giving, uplifting, filling, fulfilling, and not self-seeking, and jealousy, and bashing, and resent, and pride, and ego, and all that.
- It's real difficult, and there's no way to do it when you just react and respond so quickly, when I respond or react so quickly, without thinking--being slow to speak and quick to listen and slow to anger.
- That's one fo the verses. There's another verse that talks about anger without a cause. There are reasons to be angry, but what we do with it, how we handle it, where we go with that anger is being the difference between a hearer and a doer.

EliYah:
- Right.

Curtis:
- But anyway, I just want to encourage once again to do, speak righteously and do, and just do as He does. He's here. He does it--not as He did. But we see what He did, but He's doing. He is definitely doing. We want to hear. We definitely want to hear it.

EliYah:
- Amein. I appreciate you, brother. I appreciate you calling in.

Curtis:
- Yeah, we love y'all.

EliYah:
- We love you, guys.

Curtis:
- We love y'all very much.

EliYah:
- Have a blessed Shabbat day.

Curtis:
- Yes, here they are all reading. Yahweh bless y'all.

EliYah:
- Shalom.

Sonshine Girls:
- Yahweh bless y'all!

EliYah:
- Yahweh bless.

Curtis and Sonshine Girls:
- Shabbat Shalom!

EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom. HalleluYah. Curtis and family, the Sonshine Girls we like to say. One thing I've noticed is all it takes is one person to speak words out of the flesh, whether it be harsh words which stir up anger, or just angry words, and a person on the other side has a choice at that moment to be in the flesh or be in the Spirit.
- What often happens is one person will be in the flesh and say one thing. That'll cause another person to react in the flesh, which then turns another person to the flesh, and another person, and then it gets into a big yucky mess.
- What we need to do is when we see someone acting in the flesh, to react in the Spirit, and that'll put an end to the chain reaction. HalleluYah. I believe we have Laura Fagans on line two. Shabbat Shalom.

Laura:
- Shabbat Shalom.

EliYah:
- How are y'all doing?

Laura:
- We're doing okay today.

EliYah:
- Good.

Laura:
- My mom left us here because she has us kind of on punishment today, so she didn't get to go, so I had to stay behind. But she went to Jerry Huen's [phonetic] house today, and she wanted me to tell everyone Shabbat Shalom for her.

EliYah:
- All right. Shabbat Shalom from Marie.

Laura:
- I just wanting to say Shabbat Shalom. I was wanting my daughter to go ahead and say Yahweh on the phone, because she's been saying Yahweh a whole lot more these days, but she's kind of falling asleep right now.

EliYah:
- How old is Vita now?

Laura:
- She's 14 months, and she's about to be 15 months on the 14th.

EliYah:
- Wow.

Laura:
- I can't wait. She's growing like a little weed. She's walking and talking, although it's kind of blabberish right now. I only understand a few things that she says. She says thank you. I taught her that. She knows how to say thank you when people give her stuff. I guess I'm teaching her right if she's actually saying thank you to people.

EliYah:
- All right. So she's asleep right now, though, right?

Laura:
- Yeah, she's asleep. She just now fell asleep. When I was waiting earlier, I thought that I had gotten through, but Curtis got through before me, of course.
- When I thought I had gotten through, she started throwing a hissy fit, and then I finally got through, and then it accidentally hung up on me, so I had to call back. And she's just now falling asleep, because she's hungry, and she's pretty much confusing right now, to me at least.
- And it's kind of sad, because I feel like a bad mom when I can't understand what she's going through, like her cries, because I feel like I'm supposed to know her cries by now.

EliYah:
- Yeah, right.

Laura:
- She was sitting there crying for food, and then she was crying because she was tired. And so she finally fell asleep. But I actually had a testimony. I'm getting back in college, and I wanted everyone to know that, that I'm trying to make my life better and trying to get back on the right path and everything.

EliYah:
- HalleluYah. How is your leg doing?

Laura:
- I don't know. I think it's still broken, but I think the screw they had put in there is coming out, because I've been walking on it. I was supposed to keep the boot on it for two more months afterwards.
- So when I went back to him, I went ahead and took it off, and now it's kind of like I don't really need it anymore, but I do need it, but I'm not going to use it, because I'm trying to get my leg to try to work with what--I mean, even if it's not healed, at least it's healed enough to where I can walk.

EliYah:
- Yeah. Well, you've got to make sure it's fully healed before you walk on it.

Laura:
- Yeah, I know. I have to wait for Medicaid for that, though. I don't have that yet.

EliYah:
- All right.

Laura:
- And I already owe him like who knows how much money, and it's kind of sad, because Medicaid was supposed to pay for it, and they never did. So I'm kind of stuck with that.

EliYah:
- I see.

Laura:
- I also wanted everyone to pray for [inaudible] again. Been having trouble. I don't know if you heard yet or not, but she got her kids taken from her.

EliYah:
- Right, yeah, we heard about that.

Laura:
- And now I guess--I don't know what's going on with Jasmine, but Jasmine needs to be prayed for. Something's going on at school, I guess. I don't know. She's taking out at us at home and everything.

EliYah:
- Okay, we'll pray for her, too.

Laura:
- Ma'am? I'm sorry?

EliYah:
- We'll pray for her, as well. Jasmine.

Laura:
- I'm sorry. I don't know why I said that. I'm out of it right now, too, though.

EliYah:
- That's okay. I'm a little bit under the weather today myself.

Laura:
- All last week, for some reason, I couldn't eat hardly anything. Everything that I saw just made me want to kind of upchuck. I didn't want to look at it, or touch it, or anything.
- I ate very little all last week, so this week I'm actually eating, and it's all coming back to me. I've been bad with my words and everything because of it.

EliYah:
- I see. Yeah, our physical condition definitely can have an impact on our spiritual walk. If we're feeling tired or sick or whatever, sometimes the flesh gets weak like that, and we tend to me more irritable.

Laura:
- Yes.

EliYah:
- We actually did a little study in setting up safeguards in our life and different things to help us be more an overcomer. And one of the biggest things that kept sticking out to us every time was that we get adequate sleep.

Laura:
- Yeah.

EliYah:
- Because if we're tired all day long, we tend to be more irritable and less apt to walk in the Spirit. If we're getting enough sleep, it's amazing how much it can help. You still with us?

Laura:
- Yeah, I'm still here. What I was thinking is the reason why all last week, I watched these two little kids, and I feel really bad for these kids, and I want them kids to be prayed for, as well.
- Their mom had them in a really disgusting house, and when she brought them over for me to watch them, they smelled really, really bad, and I couldn't breathe around them, and that is when it started happening, me not being able to breathe or anything.
- It's been like that ever since, to the point where I couldn't eat, and that's what I figured it was because of that. I bathed them and everything, gave them a bath.
- We went over to services with Jerry Huen and them, and Mr. Jerry Huen and them had them actually calm and sitting down, which was kind of weird for the little girl, because usually she just runs around, but this time she was actually acting good during Bible study and everything.
- Then she got put in the hospital afterwards, and I think it was because of the smell. I'm just wanting everybody to pray for those two children, because, truthfully, at first I didn't think they should be taken from their mom, but now I'm starting to think otherwise, because of the fact I don't think she's taking care of them at all.

EliYah:
- Well, hopefully, there will be a relative that can step in somewhere, maybe somebody.

Laura:
- I hope so, but I don't know about all that. I met them when we went in the homeless shelter, and they sat there the whole time we were there. They were in there and just pretty much--I don't know. I think it's just everything they've been through. Who knows how many years and stuff like that.

EliYah:
- Right. Well, we'll keep them in prayer. Is there anything else you wanted to share?

Laura:
- No, that's it.

EliYah:
- All right. Well, blessings to you. Send our regards and love to Marie and Michael, as well.

Laura:
- Shabbat Shalom.

EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom. Sister Fagans from--I think they're in Arkansas or Texas, one of the two. I think they might be in Texas by now. Anyway, keep Laura's sister's children, who were taken by Child Services. Please remember them in prayer, Yahweh will protect them and bring them back to a safe and loving home that serves Yahweh. HalleluYah.
- We have another phone call, this one from AniYah [phonetic] in the Twin Cities on line two. Shabbat Shalom.

AniYah:
- Shabbat Shalom.

EliYah:
- How are you doing today?

AniYah:
- All right.

EliYah:
- Very well.

AniYah:
- Yeah, welcome back.

EliYah:
- Thank you.

AniYah:
- Is there a problem with the Fellowship Finder?

EliYah:
- That depends on who you are. There is actually a bug in the software.

AniYah:
- I just can't log in to my account, and each time I try to, it gives me an error message.

EliYah:
- Okay, what does it say?

:

AniYah:
- It just gives me an error message. It will not go through.

EliYah:
- Okay. If it's giving you an error message, is it saying "Password not done," or what is it saying?

AniYah:
- Hold on. Let me pick up on the other line. Okay, what did you say?

EliYah:
- I just wanted to know if the error message had to do with your password.

AniYah:
- Huh?

EliYah:
- I wanted to know if your error message had to do with the password.

AniYah:
- Oh, okay. I was wondering if you can help me out. I'll give you my email address and then you can--because somebody responded to the ad on there.

EliYah:
- Yeah. Sometimes if you can't log in with one computer, then you have to log in using another computer. It tends to go into a loop.

AniYah:
- I went to the library close by, and it still gave me an error message.

EliYah:
- Okay. Yeah, I would say you might want to find out what the error message is and email that to me.

AniYah:
- So would you be willing to send it to me?

EliYah:
- If you can send me what the error message says, then I can help you out.

AniYah:
- Oh, okay. Copy the error message and send it to you?

EliYah:
- Right.

AniYah:
- Okay, I will do that right now.

EliYah:
- All right, brother.

AniYah:
- Thank you.

EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom. All right, Brother AniYah from Twin Cities. I believe he does a lot of ministering up there, a lot of spreading the Word. HalleluYah. Good to have some fellowship. Someone has contacted him.
- By the way, if you haven't listed yourself on the Fellowship Finder, I encourage you to do that, EliYah.com/Fellowship. There are over 1,200 listings or so on the Fellowship Finder, people that have listed themselves of similar beliefs that we hold.
- You can either find someone in your area or others can contact you through a listing there, sort of like personal ads, just a little different. List the different beliefs that you hold and persuasions Yahweh has led you to, and others in your area can contact you.
- If for some reason you have any troubles, there is an issue where when you log in, you can't get to your mailbox, you try to get to your mailbox and it just goes back to the login page, that is due to a little bug in the software.
- If you access it with a new computer or clear out your cookies, I believe that may solve it. I say new computer, I mean a different computer.
- I believe that is our final phone call of the day. If you have a prayer request, I encourage you to share that with us in the chat room, and we will get to your prayer request to close out the broadcast.
- Meanwhile, we're going to share some songs from the library. This next song is called "In One Accord."
- [Music: "In One Accord," "Springs in the Desert," "Yom Kippur," "I Will Hope in Thee," "YAH Is Love"]

EliYah:
- HalleluYah.
- [Music: "Lead Me to the River of Your Healing Water"]

EliYah:
- HalleluYah. Father, we also pray for Marshall and Cindy, Father, that you would work in them, and that their needs, which are immense, that you would provide, and also Greg and Robin, their little one to be born to be safe, and for Chuck and everyone there who is sick.
- Father, we pray that your healing would be upon them, and for Corrick. [phonetic] His arm is giving him a lot of pain, Father. We pray for your healing, in the name of Yahushua HaMashiach. HalleluYah.
- May Yahweh be with you all as you go out once more into the work week ahead and the remainder of this Shabbat. I hope the remainder of your Shabbat is a blessed one, as we seek His will and seek to let our words be as His words. Shabbat Shalom to your home.