EliYah:
- And at this time of the broadcast we like to go ahead and open up the phone lines to your phone calls. If you'd like to call in, our telephone number, 417-683-3575. You're welcome to call in. Or toll free, 866-435-4924. An easy way to remember the toll free number is 866-4EliYah.
- And right now both lines are free. And so if you have a comment on today's study, even a rebuttal, hey, we're open-minded here. We're looking for truth. Go ahead and give us a call. We'd like to hear it. And if you have a question, feel free to do so, as well.
- A good time to get some interaction here among the brethren, and I encourage that, and I enjoy it. I think it's a great thing. Some people just call in and blow the shofar. Some people call and just share a song, or a psalm, or a word of knowledge, and so we enjoy that.
- This is not the EliYah show, never will be. This will be about brethren getting together and sharing with one another. And I'm sharing with you, and so I'm opening up the lines for you to share with me or to share with the brothers out there.
- Meanwhile, there has been some questions that came through. ?Question Somebody asked the question that, if by walking in the Spirit we do not sin, then by what are we walking in when we do sin? And is it possible to live in this life without sin?
EliYah:
- Well, the first question, according to Galatians 5, we are walking in the flesh when we walk in sin. So Galatians 5 says that we should walk in the Spirit, verse 16, and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
- Flesh lusts against the Spirit, the Spirit lusts against the flesh. And these are contrary to one another, so you do not do the things you wish. So then he goes on and lists various things that are examples of that, walking in the flesh.
- And so sometimes an unclean spirit will bring temptation to our walk. We are called to resist the devil, and he will flee from us. Sometimes he will use men or women to do so, and man often is his own worst enemy.
- But there are three primary stumbling blocks that I've found. There are probably others, but the three primary stumbling blocks we need to avoid are Satan, man, and our own flesh. Those are the three primary stumbling blocks that we need to avoid--be aware of--put it that way, regards to overcoming.
Q. And you asked the question, is it possible to live in this life without sin?
EliYah:
- I do believe it is possible to live our life, say, from this point forward, I believe it's possible for us to live without any sin that we're aware of.
- But in order for us to say that we are totally without sin, number one, that would be a contradiction of scripture, because scripture does say that if we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us, and that's 1 John 1:8. And, also, we contradict other places which says there's no man on earth who does not sin.
- But in order for us to truly be completely without sin, we would have to have perfect knowledge, perfect wisdom, because even if we're overcoming everything that we can think of--and I haven't met too many people who are at that point. I've met people who claim to be, but then because the claim to be, they have pride issues, and so they thought they were overcoming everything.
- But anyway, to answer that question, I think that we can. Yahweh, through Yahushua, gives us the power we need to overcome all sin, to the best of our knowledge. But then as we overcome things, Yahweh is going to show us new things. Look, you're messing up over here. We didn't even know about it.
- We might be blind to our own pride. We might be blind to something that we're not doing correctly somewhere. And as we walk in obedience, He teaches us other things, so that we can continually grow and bear fruit unto Him. Praise Yahweh for the grace that we have as repentant people to grow and learn and pick up on what He wants us to do and walk it out.
- And so we've got to be careful, too, brothers, because if we start getting prideful in these things--for instance, we believe in keeping the Sabbath day, and we start getting prideful and peering down our nose at Sunday keepers, then we're messing up right there.
- Pride isn't necessarily any better than Sabbath breaking. So, we've got to be careful. Pride is one of the worst things. Pride is the very thing that got Satan to do what he does. But we're being given the grace of Yahweh every day ourselves, and we have things--I know, myself, I'm nothing. I'm absolutely nothing at all.
- And every day I see things that, wait a minute, you need to not do that. And so if I start looking at others and saying, well, look what they're doing, and I'm not doing that. Number one, that's pride. Number two, what about the mercy I hope to receive? If I'm not willing to give mercy to others, didn't Yahushua say, "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy."
- So, if we're unmerciful, then we may not receive mercy. So with what judgment we judge, we shall be judged. And so no matter how far along we may be spiritually, we can never say we've arrived. We can never say, "Well, I'm a finished work."
- That's kind of what denominationalism is. We've got the truth. Here it is. We're done. Just do what we say, and everything will be all right.
- We don't want to go there. We want to continue to grow, and learn, and gain understanding, and remain humble, and not get caught up in the work of the flesh of pride. Yahweh help us.
- All right, Sister Kelly on line 1 from Missouri. Shabbat Shalom to you.
Kelly:
- Shabbat Shalom. How are you?
EliYah:
- I'm feeling fine. How are you doing?
Kelly:
- I'm all right. I will overcome. [laughs]
EliYah:
- HalleluYah!
Kelly:
- Yeah. I have--I wanted to share something with you. You inspired me to bring this back to memory. I had read it about three weeks ago, and it was really quite phenomenal to me, and I wanted to share it with everyone.
EliYah:
- Sounds good.
Kelly:
- It is an Ecclesiasticus, which is part of the Apocrypha. Anyway, it is in chapter 34--oh, no, no, 33--pardon me, starting at verse 7. And it says something here that makes it clear to me, more than any other place, that God's ways--that all of us, the whole point of everything that we're doing is to search out and to know God's way, over our own.
- So we don't do this holiday because God didn't say that holiday was important, but He said this thing over here was important, so we do that. You know.
EliYah:
- Yeah.
Kelly:
- And that's just in every step, every move that we make in our life. That is the point. And so when I was reading this, it just jumped off the page at me, and I wanted to share it with everybody.
EliYah:
- Okay.
Kelly:
- Again, that's Ecclesiasticus 33, verse 7. And it says, "Why is one day better than another, when each day's light throughout the year comes from the sun? They have been differentiated in the mind of the Lord, who has diversified the seasons and feasts; some He has made more important and hallowed, others He has made ordinary days.
- All men come from the ground. Adam himself was formed out of earth. In the fullness of His wisdom, the Lord has made distinguished distinctions between them and diversified their conditions.
- And it goes on to elaborate. But I was like, wow. His point is if I say this day is holy, and this day is not, then this day is holy and that day is not, just like you are just mud, and I set you apart as valuable and important and sent my Son to die for you that was just mud.
- You know, and so I was just--it was put so eloquently in these scriptures for me, and I wanted to share that with everyone, because it really goes back to we are just searching to know who our Yahweh, our God is, and to know what is important to Him, not to what's important to the people of our society.
- Just like the people in our society say that wealth, and riches, and education, and vehicles, and homes, and clothes, and shoes, and fancy things are valuable. But God says gentleness, meekness, kindness, love, patience, He says these things are valuable.
- They say Christmas is valuable. We say that Feast of Tabernacles--or God says Feast of Tabernacles is valuable.
EliYah:
- Right.
Kelly:
- So it's just what is valuable to you? What man says is valuable or what Yahweh says is valuable? What are you going to hold worthy or your time, of your investment, of your songs, and of your effort? What God says is important or what man says is important? And that's what you made me think of today.
EliYah:
- HalleluYah! Well, that's very true, because what man says is important today is obviously influenced by his own pleasures and what he wants; and, of course, the enemy, as well, and what he's trying to accomplish. So we need to make sure that we're not being influenced by our culture.
- To most people today, they're out there washing their cars and doing whatever they do, work. It's the big work day. And to them, it's nothing, because to the world, to break the Sabbath is not significant. But what's important to Yahweh is that we keep His day holy.
- And it's real easy for us to get in this mindset that Yahweh was just utterly ridiculous for stoning the man, for having the man stoned who was gathering sticks on the Sabbath. But to Yahweh, the Sabbath was important, and it was important enough to include in the Ten Commandments.
- To Him, to keep His things holy and not profane them is a very important thing. And so you're right, we need to…
Kelly:
- And maybe just to--I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Were you finished?
EliYah:
- I was just saying that we have to somehow unlearn what has been important to the world and try to learn and understand what Yahweh views as being important, just like you said, and those are some examples of that.
Kelly:
- Yeah, exactly. I also want to encourage anyone who is--and I'm new, but not as new as I was several years ago. [laughs] I want to encourage anyone who's just coming into this walk to realize that that's what it boils down to. You're seeking to know who Yahweh is, what is important to Him, and embracing His will for your life by embracing what is important to Him.
- So you might not have this down or that down, and you might not be able to speak Hebrew or whatever else it is you think you need to be able to do to please God. But just the fact that you have turned your heart and said, "You know what, what's important to me is what's important to God. I'm moving away from the world and moving towards Yahweh. I'm rejecting the things of the world and embracing the things of Yahweh."
- That is where you actually have major accomplishments. When you learn to keep the feasts, or when you learn to keep Sabbath, or when you learn to use the proper name, or when you do this or that, it's not a merit badge like when you're in Brownies. It's simply a litmus test of whether or not your heart was transformed in the past.
- If you're keeping Sabbath, and all the feasts, and all these other things, it's because awhile back you started saying what was important to Yahweh. And that's when we all made it. That's when we all accomplished the goal.
EliYah:
- It was out of that heart of wanting to conform ourselves to Yahweh's way, what's important to Him, that those convictions arose.
Kelly:
- Exactly.
EliYah:
- Yeah.
Kelly:
- Exactly.
EliYah:
- Yeah.
Kelly:
- You know, and so they're on the right track, and so long as they maintain that goal in their sites, then they are where Yahweh wants them to be and will continue to become more and more like Him. So that's my goal, I'm hoping. I hope I'm right.
EliYah:
- Amein. Yeah, well, the good news is repent and believe in Yahushua, and so it starts from that. And repent of what? Of whatever it is you believe you're doing wrong, and I'm going to show you some more things you're doing wrong.
- But for now, walk out your repentance. And as we learn and grow, we're going to discover some things. And I'm sure that if we continue, we're not going to get stuck in some denomination somewhere, but continue to grow and learn.
- That's the dangers of denominations is that you get stuck. You can't keep going.
Kelly:
- Yes.
EliYah:
- But if you continue to let the Word of Yahweh be your guide and not the words of man…
Kelly:
- Yeah, not of man.
EliYah:
- And the dangers of that, then He's going to continue to teach you things, and that's where…
Kelly:
- That's right. Keep your ears open to wisdom.
EliYah:
- The heart of repentance is the key to everything.
Kelly:
- That's right.
EliYah:
- It all comes down to our attitude.
Kelly:
- Well, thank you so much for letting me share with everyone, and thank you so much for all your effort in preparing tasty morsels for us. [laughs]
EliYah:
- HalleluYah.
Kelly:
- We all very much enjoy your teaching. Thank you, EliYah. And tell Kelly I love her and miss her very much.
EliYah:
- All right. Well, we love you guys, and thanks for calling in and sharing.
Kelly:
- It was my pleasure. Bye-bye.
EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom.
Kelly:
- Shalom.
EliYah:
- Sister Kelly came to the Feast of Tabernacles in '08, and enjoy her greatly, and she's learning these things and finding the blessings of Yahweh's law, His commands. It really is a great blessing, something that we do because we love Him.
- And part of our reply to the goodness of Yahweh is that we seek out and want to know His will. And, of course, things we've learned, which are a little unusual, and amongst believers of Messiah, are going to stand out.
- But we're going to continue to encourage people to grow in the grace of Yahweh, which growing in the grace of Yahweh does not mean grow in disobedience, but to grow in His favor means grow in obedience. HalleluYah!
- And Sister Laura Fagans on line 2. Shabbat Shalom.
Laura:
- Shabbat Shalom.
EliYah:
- How are you doing?
Laura:
- Well, I'm kind of--I'm feeling all right. I have this really great testimony today.
EliYah:
- Okay.
Laura:
- I have had all these problems, throughout all the drama and everything. And I probably sound kind of muffled right now. My daughter decided she wanted to chew on the phone.
EliYah:
- Yeah, it does sound a little muffled.
Laura:
- Okay. Well, although I've had--for some reason, my muscle got pulled yesterday or a couple of days ago, and it's been hurting ever since. But throughout all the pain and everything, praise Yahweh that my daughter, last night, at the age of one year, and a couple of days ago, she decided to say, "Yahweh."
EliYah:
- HalleluYah!
Laura:
- It was like so clear as day. She was like--we were about to start singing songs to Yahweh and everything, and then all of a sudden, she just started--she looked at everybody and said, "Yahweh, Yahweh, Yahweh!"
- I'm like what in the world? [laughs] And just like seriously, like hit us in the face like, whoa, hello! We need to wake up. Something's going on here.
EliYah:
- HalleluYah. That's great! It's always a special moment the first time you hear them say our heavenly Father's name.
Laura:
- Well that, and I mean it just like surprised us, because usually she's just like pointing to stuff and saying, "Uh, uh," but this time she like looked up at us, and she said it. And then, like, we started singing, and she started grinning from ear to ear and everything.
- And this morning she said it again, and I was like, oh, my goodness. I didn't think she'd say it again, but she did. And I was just so surprised.
EliYah:
- HalleluYah.
Laura:
- I think through all this stuff, He still came through on that part.
EliYah:
- Sort of like a fresh rain after a period of drought, huh?
Laura:
- Yeah, kind of like that.
EliYah:
- Yeah, beautiful.
Laura:
- The worst part that happened to her is she has a cracked elbow right now, because I was kind of being careless, and I wasn't watching her at the moment, but I was about to walk back in there, but before I did, she had fallen off of a chair, and she fell on her elbow, and so now she has a cracked elbow.
- And she's acting like nothing ever happened to her, and I don't see how, because, I mean, I went through the same thing, pretty much, except for in my leg. And it was like, I mean, I guess children take the pain easier than what adults do. I don't know.
- And she acts like it never really happened to her, except for when she falls on it.
EliYah:
- Well, that's neat. Yahweh is keeping her. She's just a strong little girl.
Laura:
- I think it's probably both of them.
EliYah:
- Yeah, halleluYah.
Laura:
- My mom was going to say Shabbat Shalom to everyone, but she kind of went to sleep. She got real bad tired and everything. I'm going to ask for prayer for my sister again. She left the guy finally, and then she decided to go back to him, for some stupid reason.
EliYah:
- Mm-hm.
Laura:
- I guess to keep the phone that she has. I don't know. Jasmine, of course, she needs prayer again, as well, and my mom. Pretty much everybody again, except for me. I'm actually coming through with it. I mean, I'm actually just glad that I still have my daughter.
EliYah:
- Good. Well, just tell everyone we said Shabbat Shalom.
Laura:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- And we're continuing to keep the folks you asked for last week in prayer--actually, the last couple of weeks.
Laura:
- All right.
EliYah:
- And so we've got everybody in prayer, including your mom, and your siblings, and everybody. So we'll add them again today.
Laura:
- Okay. And that's pretty much it. And so…
EliYah:
- All right.
Laura:
- Also, I'm sorry to Curtis, because I know he likes to call in first, but I decided to get this testimony out before it slipped my mind or something. [laughs]
EliYah:
- That's all right. He, for some reason, didn't call in. There was opportunity there.
Laura:
- Oh, all right.
EliYah:
- But other people called, so that's fine.
Laura:
- Oh, okay.
EliYah:
- Yahweh bless you guys.
Laura:
- Shabbat Shalom.
EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom. Sister Laura Fagans on line 2. Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings is perfected praise. HalleluYah. And let's see, there was--somebody asked--I can't call, but can I ask a question? Yes, you can. And you did. So I'm going to answer that one here in just a moment. I think there were some other questions, too, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, I'll look for that.
Q. If one is a teacher, claiming to teach Torah, and not teaching truth, it's wrong not to point it out, right?
EliYah:
- Well, it just depends on the context. We could go on the internet and probably find 50 people who are teaching Torah, but then maybe they have something wrong. And if we feel by Yahweh's Spirit to point that out to them, then we ought to. But that's something that we ought to do, if we feel so led to do that. And not every situation is necessarily the same. But overall, yeah, definitely.
- We want to love our fellow man. We want to point out that they're wrong, and we may find out we're wrong in the process, or we may find out that they are open-minded, and they change, or we may find out that Yahweh is just trying to reach them with that, but they're not hearing it right now, so they need prayer. But that's as Yahweh leads each individual, so we ought to submit.
Q. And Ney-Ney asks what is a woman's role in ministry?
EliYah:
- I'll point you to a study on that issue, EliYah.com/women.html. And we have another phone call here. I believe we have--I'm trying to get to the right buttons here, sorry. Jesse on line 2 from the state of Kentucky. Shabbat Shalom to you.
Jesse:
- Shabbat Shalom to you. I just wanted to point out the minister that you were emailing, and he was having an issue with the Sabbath and the man picking up sticks and the penalty. Well, the penalty is eternal death. It still is. And unless we repent, we will all likewise perish from breaking the law.
- And I think that a lot of times in traditional Christianity that they forget that sin is the transgression of the law, and Christ made it--Yahushua, He made it very clear that that penalty remains unless we repent.
EliYah:
- Right. Right, absolutely. And that's the thing that Paul reiterates over and over, that the law brings forth death, and that's very true. Not because it's a bad thing, but because the law is a holy thing, and we've been unholy things.
Jesse:
- Yeah, exactly. His mercy, through Yahushua, is the only thing, and belief that He did live the perfect sinless life and showed us the way. So that's all I wanted to say, and happy Sabbath.
EliYah:
- Absolutely. Thank you, brother, for sharing.
Jesse:
- Bye.
EliYah:
- Shabbat Shalom. A very good point, that the law, that very command which says that the Sabbath breaker ought to be stoned, also the death penalty goes to eternal death, and we're all deserving of eternal death.
- And so that's what brought us to Messiah, so we can be redeemed from death, not be redeemed from a holy, upright standard to live by, but so that we'd be redeemed from death and saved from death.
- And it's those very sentences of death that--we're still going to die, no matter what, but we need to recognize that when Messiah lives in us that we, though we die, will, like Him, be raised with Him, and we will live with Him forever. HalleluYah.
- All right, and switching over here to--well, it looks like we're still on line 2. And I believe we have Linda. Shabbat Shalom to you.
Brenda:
- Shabbat Shalom. My name is Brenda.
EliYah:
- Brenda, okay. Sorry about that.
Brenda:
- That's okay. I talked to you last Sabbath.
EliYah:
- Yes.
Brenda:
- And I was asking you about celebration of birthdays.
EliYah:
- Yes.
Brenda:
- And you were explaining it to me.
EliYah:
- Uh-huh.
Brenda:
- And you were saying that there's a manmade calendar, and then there's a calendar of Yahweh. And I would like to know how could I get a calendar of Yahweh with the right celebration dates on it, so I will have it for myself, please.
EliYah:
- Yeah. Well, that can be a great challenge, depending on our age, because there weren't too many people keeping the calendar of Yahweh 40 years ago.
Brenda:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- So it is possible, and it takes a little bit of experience, but I'll tell you how we were able to do this, as far as the calendar of Yahweh goes. If you go to EliYah.com…
Brenda:
- EliYah?
EliYah:
- Yeah, my website. And you scroll down to where it talks about Feasts of Yahweh, the heading under Feasts of Yahweh. And in that, you'll see a link there toward the bottom of that section. It says, Sunrise/Sunset times and current moon phase info for your location.
- The link to that, if you wanted to type it in directly, would be EliYah.com/moon.html. And in that section, you can type in the year, the month, and the day, and your location that you were born, and find out what the moon cycle was like at that specific time.
- So let's say, for instance, that you were born in whatever date, just say July 5th or something. And the moon phase was about halfway through.
- Or maybe, say, you had a full moon on that day, okay, you would need to go back and try to determine whether the moon was actually visible during that time to discover how Yahweh's calendar functions--which His calendar functions according to the moon phases--what day of the month that you were born in.
- And let's say that you were born in April. Say you were born in April, then you could go back and look and say, okay, here's the moon phase in April at this time.
- Yahweh's calendar, His calendar begins either in early to late March, somewhere around that vicinity, and you have to look at the moon phases, and based on your understanding of His calendar determine that particular year when the year would have begun--which can be a challenge. And sometimes you're just not going to know.
Brenda:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- But the other option would be there are some sacred name assemblies that if you're born in the 1970's and afterwards, they might have an answer. Actually, there's one group that's been keeping these calendars since the 1930's.
- It's called Assembly of Yahweh in Holt, Michigan, and their website is AssemblyofYahweh.com. Now, I kind of hate to have them be inundated with all kinds of requests for Yahweh's calendar in 1940 or '50, or '60, but if all else fails, and you do everything you can, then that might be an option for you.
Brenda:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- But it does require some experience, and that can be a challenge if you're kind of new to this, to be able to determine.
Brenda:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- But it would be a wonderful exercise, I'm sure, at a feast some year, where we all could get together and actually figure out when we were truly born, as far as Yahweh's calendar. I was able to figure mine out, and my wife's, and our children.
Brenda:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- But I think that it can be a difficult thing, if we're not familiar with how His calendar functions.
Brenda:
- Okay. Because I'm new at this, and I'm even new at using the computer.
EliYah:
- Right, yeah, I understand that completely.
Brenda:
- Okay. Now, how would I--do you know how I would get a Messianic calendar?
EliYah:
- Well, there's different ideas, even in Messianics. One Messianic group might believe that the new moon begins when the moon is in conjunction. Another might believe the new moon begins when it's physically seen. That's what we believe.
Brenda:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- And so even among Messianics, some of them disregard both and just follow whatever the Jews say, and which can be all over the map, because they have postponements and different things they do. So that can be another minefield to step through.
- We're at a point in this age today, Brenda, that we've got 2,000 years of false teaching and tradition to wade through, and we're trying to get back to the way things were in the first century, but over the years--we're just trying to do the best we can.
Brenda:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- We're not perfect at it yet, but as our Sister Kelly said earlier, it's what's in our heart, and our true efforts, and a sincere desire to walk in His ways that's going to count through it all.
Brenda:
- Yes, because I have been taught for the last 50 years of my life, I was taught the old ways, traditional way. And I've been into this now for, I think like a year, and it's all new to me. And when I found out the real names of Jesus and the Lord, it was just amazing to me how different the names are, how they're spelled different.
EliYah:
- Right.
Brenda:
- And even I've got a list of Hebrew names, and it was saying certain alphabets wasn't even mentioned in Hebrew that is in English. So it's all new to me, and I'm really enjoying it, to find out the real meaning of His name.
EliYah:
- Isn't it a blessing?
Brenda:
- Yes, it is. It's a blessing.
EliYah:
- It really is. And it just, when we can kind of escape this, "let's follow the old-time Christianity mindset," and just go into the mindset of whatever the scriptures teach me, I want to do it, it's a whole new perspective altogether, and the whole Word just begins to open to us.
- And it's such a blessing to find out that you are and so many are willing to do that. And we praise Yahweh.
Brenda:
- Yes, praise Yahweh. And Shabbat Shalom, and thank you very much.
EliYah:
- All right, Shabbat Shalom to you, as well.
Brenda:
- You're a blessing. Thank you.
EliYah:
- Sister Brenda from--was it Oklahoma? Yes, Oklahoma. Good to hear from her. Hey, yeah, we all need prayer, don't we? Pray for her, and Yahweh be magnified.
- And I think we have some other calls here, but Kara is sorting through them. In the meantime, we do have some questions that came through.
Q. One question was what day was the Passover lamb sacrificed? Some say it's the evening of the 13th of Aviv. Still others say the 14th of Aviv. Can you give a clear answer on this?
EliYah:
- Well, this is one of those areas, as we were sharing earlier, that there's a tremendous difference in opinion. But, to me, the clear answer is that Yahushua the Messiah is our Passover Lamb. 1 Corinthians 5:7 indicates such.
- And if He is our Passover Lamb, and it just fits perfectly--I believe He is--and if He is our Passover Lamb, then He would have died at the correct time of the time when the Passover lambs were offered.
- And it just so happens that at the ninth hour of the day was the time that He died, and that was the exact hour that Passover lambs were being offered in Jerusalem.
- Now, I don't think that's just a coincidence. I think that the entire reason why Yahweh commanded the slaughter of the Passover lamb at a specific time of day was because He knew that's when His Son was going to die for our sin.
- And that's also called the hour of prayer, the ninth hour in the book of Acts, and because that was the time they gathered together for the evening sacrifice, which was also the exact time of the Passover lamb sacrifice.
- And so I view Him as our Lamb. And so when we partake of the bread and the fruit of the vine, we are partaking of Him. He is our Lamb. He is the Lamb that we are partaking of on Passover.
- So I believe that the timing of the sacrifice of the Passover would have been answered by Yahushua's death in being our Passover. And I do know there are others who view it differently, but that's where I'm at.
- All right. And let's see, looks like we've got RJ on line 2. Brother Gavriel, Shabbat Shalom.
RJ:
- Shabbat Shalom. Can you hear me all right?
EliYah:
- I hear you just fine. How are you doing?
RJ:
- I'm doing great. How are you doing?
EliYah:
- Doing fine.
RJ:
- I just wanted to share with everybody some of the things that I've been doing on my own time in my own studies. One of the things that I've been doing, I grew up in a church that really lifted up the NIV a lot, and so when I go to talk to my family, a lot of times that's what they're reading out of.
- So I was kind of moved to start doing what I call the MNIV, the modified version of the NIV, and what I'm doing is I'm tracking the changes, as I go along, and eventually I'm going to put it in e-Sword.
- But the point of it is that, related to the study today, I just wanted to share one of the things that I found out this week. Now, this is only one thing. There's many other things like verses that have completely opposite meanings, even in the Tanakh, about Judah, and other things like that, that are actually a pretty big deal.
- It says the complete opposite, because it's a significant thing that's going on there.
- But this is related to Romans 10:4, which you're aware of, and many other people are, but some of the listeners might not be aware just the different ways that that can actually be interpreted is actually related to what you're saying today and what the caller said earlier.
- I don't remember who it was, but it's talking about how the Messiah finally followed the Torah perfectly, followed the law perfectly, and that was why He was able to be our Savior. Like earlier, when you said if He didn't follow it, then He couldn't be our Savior, right?
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- And so I'm just going to post it and explain what I'm saying, so that people can see what I'm looking at. In Romans 10:4, it says in the NIV, it says Messiah--they use the word Christ, but I don't use that word anymore.
- But anyway, it says, "Messiah is the end." And you talked about it before, too, that G5056 was telos. And that's the definition I posted there, if anybody wanted to read it, so they can follow along easier. I figure I'd just post it.
- But the following ones are out of the NIV translation, except for the names of the Father and the Son. But I wanted to show the different ways that the NIV has actually used this word a few different ways that I thought were absolute, actually good, because it actually shows just--actually brings to light what this word really does mean.
- Obviously, it doesn't mean in Romans 10:4 that it's the end of the law. But here's one example, and I've already got it formatted so people can see what I'm talking about. The word in red is the word that's from the G5056 in the NIV.
- And here it's duty. So if you did Romans 10:4 as the duty, then it doesn't really make too much sense yet, but then you have here, it says it's the outcome, and then here it says eventually. Well, eventually is not something that's already been done away with and over with. It's eventually, it's future, it's not done, it's still going, it's in motion, it's still here.
- And I just found all of these things interesting. I'm sorry if the screen is moving really fast for some people. I'm just trying to make sure that people can follow along and see that these words here, this is from the same word.
- I want everybody out there to see what I saw. This actually might help us to understand more what is there, by examining some of these things. There's obviously lots of translation there, but there's also meanings of words that come out here.
- Here it says, "Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." That's still something that's not done. It's not over with. It's reaching. And that goes along with Matthew 5:17, where He says, "I've not come to abolish, but to fulfill."
- So it's complete harmony when it's translated that way. And then here it says, "The things you are now ashamed of, those things result in death."
- So here it's translated as result. There's actually a few other places here translated as result again. And then also here it's translated as fulfillment.
- I just want to make it clear to anybody out there, so you can see what is going on in these translations. These are all from the same word, and this is important.
- When I was coming out of what I thought was the truth last year--and when you find out the way these translations are done, it really opens your eyes to what am I looking at? Jeremiah says the false tent of the scribes.
- And, to me, that was an eye opener is when I realized I've got to look into this! I've got to look into this. What I am being told, what's even written here, I've got to look into it.
- Here it says the goal, which is how it's commonly translated in the ISR. It says, "The Messiah is the goal of the law." Here it says the goal of this command is level. If that means end and it's over with, if the word goal means it's over with, does that mean that we're not supposed to love anybody anymore?
- I mean, that's what translating it and taking it that way says. And here it says, "And we have seen Job's perseverance and have seen what Yahweh finally brought about." And it's the same word here, finally brought about. We were just saying that today, finally brought about. And, again, here it says goal.
- Now, if we say that the Torah, the law is the end, if the Messiah is the end of the law, does that mean that when they received the goal of their faith, the end of their faith, that they don't even have to believe anymore, because they say it?
- People could take that scripture there, translate it the same way, and they could say, "Well, now that I believe, I don't even have to do anything. Now that I'm saved, I don't even have to believe." That's what they could take that and say.
- And it's interpreting it that way, when it's the exact same word. And here it says finally. I'm sorry. There's only one more verse after that.
EliYah:
- No, it's okay. I'm enjoying this.
RJ:
- Well, I looked up this, and as I'm going through making this MNIV, because the purpose is people are used to hearing scriptures in a certain sentence structure, and you can't introduce every single word that you understand. And you try to read to them and show them, and they'll be like, well, I don't even know what you just said.
- So, it's to restore the names and other things, but also to show using the NIV translators own logic, what the meanings of the word is. And here it's outcome.
- So now if we go back and we look at the NIV, here's the NIV's translation, just how they said it. They say--and I'm just reading from what they said. They say, "Christ is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."
- Now, we've seen all these words in red were all the same words that were translated all these other ways. I mean, it's the same word. Anybody who wants to scroll up and look at that, all those words there, that's the same. It's one and the same.
- And I looked in the Hebrew at the spelling of it. It's telos. It's spelled the exact same way as the one in--this is the one that I believe captures what we're talking about today. Finally brought out, James 5:11. "As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what Yahweh finally brought about. Yahweh is full of compassion and mercy."
- So did Yahweh end it? Did Yahweh end something there? No, He finally brought about something. We see how they translate Romans 10:4, now let's look how the truth would lead, when you understand what the law is, and you understand its blessing, like I found out last year, 'cause I didn't know any of this stuff.
- Now look at that. Read it now. HaMashiach, the Messiah, is the goal of the law, so that there may be righteousness. So what was the goal of the law? Was the goal of the law to suppress? Was the goal of the law to bring people down and to bring death?
- No, the goal of the law was the Messiah. So what was the result of the law? Was the result of the law that people were angry with each other? Was the result of the law, Acts 10:26--or whatever verse it was--where Kepha said, Peter says, "Oh, you know it's against our law for us to associate with the Gentiles."
- That's not in the Old Testament. That should bring up some red flags and say, you know what? This law thing might not be as simple as I thought it was just in the New Testament. I've got to go look this up.
- And so the result of the law was the Messiah. All of the love that anybody--any good that anybody sees in anything the Messiah does, that is the result of the law, of the Torah.
- Here's using another word that they translated the same way. HaMashiach, the Messiah, is the outcome of the law. So the outcome isn't people who go around stoning each other carelessly or something like that, like picture that to be. That's not even what happens, but that's not the outcome either.
- The outcome is it's complete self sacrifice for your fellow man, for your fellow brothers. That's the outcome of the law. It's not negative.
- And then this captures it completely, I think. HaMashiach finally brought about the law. Now, this makes the most sense when we stop here and we read this. This is why I say it's actually a good thing that they translated it so many different ways, because now we can see here the sentence actually explains itself.
- He finally brought about the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Well, we know in Isaiah 53, the arm of Yahweh, the servant of Yahweh has to declare others righteous. But to do that, He has to be righteous, and to be righteous means He has to bring about the law.
- He has to bring about everything that the law intended to be brought about. And because He brought it about, there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
- So this is the essence of what the scripture is saying. Looking at the various different ways they did that, to me, this was an eye opener when I was looking at this. This is only one thing that I found. There's tons of other things that I found in the translation.
- And in doing this, I'm like, wow, that actually gives more depth to it than I understood. And looking at the other ways that it's translated, obviously, there's lots of translations errors, but in doing this, it really opened up my eyes to the various different things that this could be understood as. And that final representation there finally brought about the law. To me, that captured it.
- When I saw that translated that way in James 5:11, "finally brought about," and it's spelled the exact same way in the Greek. It's not a variation or anything. It's the exact same way, telos. It's the exact same letters and everything.
- That, to me, that opened up my eyes to see that, yeah, these translations are inaccurate in a lot of places, but I can also take them and look at what they did, and somewhere in there, Yahweh's going to put some truth for people who are looking.
- There's a lot of things that are messed up, but there's also a lot of things that we can find when we go and look these things up for ourselves and see what's really being meant by that, not just trusting what a pastor says.
- I talked to people when I was looking up the truth, and I told them, I said, I'm studying about the law. And this was at the church I was going to. I was going to a Sunday church the next day after the first couple of Shabbats I kept. And they said, what do you mean?
- And I said, "Well, I found Ephesians 2:15." That was the first thing I found that kind of started looking in the translations. I found Ephesians 2:15, where it says "abolish in His flesh the law." That's not what it says in the Greek. It says He abolished the enmity. And they just kind of looked at me like I was crazy.
EliYah:
- Yeah.
RJ:
- And they're like, "Why are you studying that?" Like there's something wrong with me, like I was spiritually lost. And my question within myself was how am I spiritually lost, when they're reading the translation and trusting the translation that I just found out is inaccurate.
- And they're not even questioning it. They're still reading out of the same one. There's no questions being brought up. There's not anybody seeking out what's going on here. That's the problem. And I realized that, and that's when I, a few weeks after that, I just stopped coming.
- I was doing Shabbat, Sabbath, but I stopped going to church, because I was like, I'm not growing here. These people don't care about it. And that's my sister and my brother who go there, my flesh and blood who goes there.
- And, obviously, I'm not saying this to be against them. I love them. My own family goes there. But I'm saying there's no way for me to grow there, if they're not even seeking out the truth.
- When I come to them and I say, "Look, the translation left out a word," whether it's purposeful or not, obviously, Satan is behind stuff happening like that.
- The translators themselves are probably blind to it, but regardless of whose fault it is, the point is that the translation is not reliable. We've got to look into this stuff. We cannot just sit back and say, "Well, I don't feel comfortable with doing it, so I'm not going to do it."
- That's not good enough. When you see things, and they don't make sense, and you hear things, and you find out a translation is wrong, you've got to dig. You've got to dig, you've got to dig, you've got to dig, because it says he who seeks will find.
- It says, "Seek me with all your heart."
- It doesn't say look for me every now and then, and I'll make sure that you find me. It says, "Seek with all your heart." And if the people we're around at the churches or whatever, they're not doing that, we've got to ask ourself, "Is this the place that I'm going to grow spiritually, or do I have to look somewhere else?"
- Because if they're not seeking with all their heart, they're not going to be able to help you. They can't. I mean, nobody there was able--it's not that they were against what I was saying, necessarily, they were lost. They had no idea why I was studying it out to begin with.
- And that's a problem. When you show somebody these kinds of things, and they're not even curious about it--to me, at least, I see this kind of stuff, and I said--even before I knew the names or anything, I said, you know what? This is just--I've got to look into this. This is messed up.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- So I just thought I'd share the depth of that one verse there and just how different the view is of it when you look at how they're using the translation.
- I just wanted people to see that from that one verse, this stuff is serious translation confusion. You have to really dig into it, if you want to find the truth.
- And you won't hear a preacher at church go through that verse and tell you that the Messiah finally brought about the law. But you know what? Based on the NIV translators' own logic, He did. They conveniently chose the word "end" there.
- Well, let's see. If Yahweh says the Sabbath is a time between me and His people, who's going to try and end that? It's probably Satan. And that's what I didn't see before, because I thought, well, why do we need to keep the Sabbath?
- But I thought that because the translation I was reading said it was the end of it, and the translation I was reading said that He abolished it.
EliYah:
- And the other way you can look at it, too, even if they use the word "end"--and that's what they insist on--you're looking at the context there. It says in Romans 10 that--and you can't read from the NIV. As you very clearly illustrated, the NIV is not a consistent translation. It is all over the map.
- But the King James actually translates that "end" 35 out of 41 times, and it's a little more consistent anyway.
- But what it says in the King James there, he's saying, "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to Elohim for Israel is that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of Elohim, but not according to knowledge. For they, being ignorant of Elohim's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of Elohim."
- See, we can't be righteous in and of ourselves. We have to submit to and believe in Yahweh's righteousness, and Yahweh's righteousness is what gives us righteousness, because Yahweh placed His righteousness in Yahushua.
- And because He did that, Yahushua, who even Himself said, "Well, I'm not good; there's only one that's good," had Yahweh's righteousness placed in Him.
- And because He lives in us, we can have Yahweh's righteousness in us. And since we die, the old man, all his righteousness, which was nothing, filthy rags, is gone, and we are submitting ourselves to the righteousness of Yahweh, which comes through Yahushua the Messiah.
- So going about to establish your own righteousness would be just ignoring the righteousness that's offered us through Yahushua and trying to, of our own selves, claim that we are righteous.
- And that was the mistake of Israel was that they had a zeal for Elohim, not according to knowledge, because they were ignorant of the righteousness of Yahweh that comes through the Messiah and tried to say, "Well, by my own righteousness, I deserve to be saved."
- And so then verse 4 comes along saying that the Messiah is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes, because the law can't bring us righteousness. It can only show us what righteousness is, so we can't use the law and say I'm righteous.
- We have to look to Messiah and say I'm righteous. And so, in that sense, it's possible to translate that "end," when we understand it properly in context that the Messiah brought about this end of the law being our righteousness, because the law never could be our righteousness.
- We had to rely on Yahweh's righteousness, not our own righteousness.
- And so even that, with the word "end" there, if somebody happens to insist on that being an accurate translation, contextually would demonstrate He's not saying that the law is ended, but that in terms of us being righteous before Yahweh, when the Messiah came, our own righteousness was demonstrated to be insufficient, and it was His righteousness that brought us the righteousness that we need.
RJ:
- Yeah, and that…
EliYah:
- So… Go ahead.
RJ:
- I was just going to say, of course, you can translate that--I'm not saying you can't translate it that way, obviously, because, in a sense, that does have meaning. But I think that the various ways that they did translate it, it kind of illustrates, it paints a picture for what that word--the essence of that word, what does that really mean?
- And I think by doing that, they've actually enabled, on a certain level, they've actually enabled people who do see the truth to look back, look into this, and see what's being said. And that's something that I found as being positive for myself.
EliYah:
- So, so important that we do need to look it up, and we need to examine the original languages, especially if we're reading the NIV, because they, like he just demonstrated, they are all over the map. Whatever they want it to say, they make it say.
RJ:
- And I wanted to just share one other thing. Well, there's a few other things I wanted to share with you, but one other thing about the NIV translation, at least. A lot of people, and myself included--I was guilty before I understood this stuff.
- I had this view, and I didn't understand why. I had this view that there's this Old Testament Elohim, this Old Testament--they say God, but we say Elohim. This Old Testament Elohim, and then all of a sudden, comes along this new one that's really nice.
- And you wonder sometimes why did we think that way, those of us that grew up reading out of the NIV? This is the only thing about the NIV translation I'll bring up today.
- I was studying this. Here's the NIV out of Job 34:5. It says, "Job says I am innocent." But they say G-o-d. "But Elohim denies me justice." Okay, that's the NIV. Okay?
- Now, I went through, and I came across this, because I was working on the names of Yahweh, and one of them is El, and here is the word "El," not Elohim, just El, which is the singular form. It just means mighty one. Elohim is mighty one.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- And so here I went back, and when I was in this, I was like, well, that sounds kind of funny. That doesn't sound like Him. Let me see what these words mean. And here's what I found after the translation that I got to, after I went back and looked at the meaning of the word.
- Now, let's look at these side-by-side. First it says, "I am innocent…but denies me justice." Here it says, "I am righteous; El removed my judgment." Denies versus removed.
- Well, that word "removed," "denied" there, it says when Noah came out of the ark, he removed the cover. It doesn't say he denied the cover. He removed it. It's the same word there. The word "innocent," there's a different word for "innocent," and the word "righteous" was used as righteous by the NIV translators in other places, as righteous.
- And that's what I do in this thing that I'm working on is I look. How did they translate it? Okay, well, if I use that translation, nobody who reads the NIV can come to me and say, "Well, you're distorting the truth," because I'm not doing anything that wasn't already done by them.
- So the words that I've used in here, judgment and righteous and removed, those are words that they used. They just translate it a different way here. But one thing I wanted to share with you is this awesome thing that happened last week.
- I was talking, actually, online in a chat room, because I don't have any local fellowship. And there's other verses like that, by the way. I know a lot of people see this, and they realize, "Wow, I didn't realize it was that big." That's only two examples. I just want people out there to know there's other stuff like this. That's just one example.
- Anyway, I was talking to this Orthodox Jew. I wasn't really talking to him. I was in a chat room, and it was one of those common discussions about is the law done away with, stuff like that.
- And, of course, the majority of people in the room, because it was a Christian chat room, said, "Well, yeah, it's done away with." And I made a statement in the room, typing out, I said, "There is nothing in the New Testament that contradicts the Old Testament."
- And this Orthodox Jew sends me a private message, and he said, "Sir, if you can…" And he said, "Sir." I don't know why, because he's older than me. But I'm too young to be called a sir. I don't even have any kids yet. Geez.
- And he said, "Sir, if you can prove to me that what you said is true, then I'll believe in the Messiah." I was like, I guess I'll talk to you. I wasn't trying to argue with anybody. I was just saying.
- And so I talked with him, and then he said, "Okay, well, I see that it doesn't contradict it, but what about Isaiah 53?" So then I went through your study with him, the Messiah study, which is a really good study. And after that, when we got to the part that said, "My people," and I said, "Well, who is 'my people,'" and he was like, "Wow."
EliYah:
- HalleluYah.
RJ:
- And he is actually--he's not online tonight, because he's taking care of his mother--but he's going to start listening in next week. And he lives in southern California in Laguna Beach. And if anybody in here lives in southern California, he wants to get immersed in the name of Yahushua.
EliYah:
- Wow!
RJ:
- He's coming from Rabbinic Orthodox Judaism, and I told him, I said, "Don't pay attention to any of the stuff that you hear about the Christian doctrine, about Paul." And then I showed him the scriptures about Peter warning about Paul.
- And I told him the people who listened to Paul, they knew, the people who did understand him, they knew that he was a Torah keeper. And that's a huge thing is that I didn't realize a year ago--I never thought about it. Would any of those Jews in Acts 21 be zealous for the Torah and convert to believe in Messiah, if they were saying to go get rid of it?
- And he looked at that, and he's like, "Yeah, you're right, that's not what happened." This is a doctrine, just like there's Rabbinical Judaism doctrine.
- And something I wanted him to do, I told him, I said, you should call in and let the Christians, who are listening to this, who don't believe in keeping Torah, listen to you talk about the struggles of coming from Rabbinical Judaism.
- We're coming from the struggle of the world is trying to get us to not do the Torah. He's coming from a world that doesn't even believe in Messiah. And we go through the same struggles on a different way.
EliYah:
- We do.
RJ:
- He's really struggling, because he was, I guess, he was really involved in Rabbinic Judaism.
EliYah:
- Yeah.
RJ:
- That's basically the same thing with modern-day Christianity, except they have different things that they do.
EliYah:
- Right. It's amazingly similar. They've got their schools, and their traditions, and things that keep them from receiving one truth to the other.
- And I keep looking at--I often point to Revelation 14:12, the patience of the saints, those that keep the commandments of Yahweh and the faith of Yahushua, that on one side you have a religion that says commandments, commandments, commandments and ignores the faith of Yahushua.
- On the other side, you have faith, faith, faith, Yahushua, and ignoring the commandments. But the truth is in both, and they both have similar methods for blinding their people to receiving the other side.
- But we have to receive both. And when we do that, then we've found the narrow way and not going to the right or to the left.
- And so a lot of the same similarities, and they all have one thing in common, and that is that they put the words of men, and they justify it, particularly in Catholicism, and say that it somehow does away with what Yahweh says, because we are the ones appointed by Yahweh to give law.
- So, on one hand, the rabbis say, "Oh, yeah, if we contradict the law, then you should do what the law says." But in actual practice, the law loses every time.
- And the same with Catholicism, except they kind of admit, "Well, we're the church, and we're descended from Peter, so we can bind and loose whatever we want to." And that's how they justified changing the Sabbath day.
- But they're using the Bible to suggest that they're the ones that can change the word "Yahweh" in the same way Rabbinical Judaism uses the Bible that says you're supposed to obey the judges and do what they say. They use that verse to get people persuaded that the rabbis, you have to listen to them and do what they say.
- Both of them use the same methods, and both of them have one thing in common, and that's pulling people away from Yahweh's Word and to subject themselves to the words of men.
- And the daughters of Catholicism do it in a little different way. They claim they're following the word, but they have their little pastors, and in actual practice people are following the pastors and their denominations more so than they are the words of Yahweh, in a lot of cases.
RJ:
- Yeah, and I just became, after talking with him--that was actually--I had seen your study before, and I heard the "Proving Yahushua is the Messiah" study. But after going through it with him personally, and then I had to respond to some of his questions, too.
- And then after doing that, I realized how powerful it is, as a believer in the Messiah, to go back and to learn from the prophets, not with any New Testament scriptures, but to prove, like to be able to persuade someone who does not believe in the Messiah, that the Messiah did come, using the prophets.
- That's a powerful thing to look at the same things that they were looking at and then to understand the Messiah from that perspective.
- There's all the turmoil and all this argument. The main argument in mainstream Christianity is over the trinity and stuff like that and manmade doctrine. Now I have a full understanding of all of that, that I never understood before. And it didn't come from reading anything in the New Testament. It came from reading the prophets.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- And it's really--I feel like I've come closer to Yahweh because of that and because of other things, but…
EliYah:
- That's awesome, brother. That is exactly what we need to be doing, not only proving Torah, but proving Messiah to those who don't understand that He is.
- You look at Acts 9:22, Paul confounded the Jews dwelling in Damascus, proving He's the Messiah. That's what we need to do.
- That starts with just totally proving that the New Testament does agree with the Old Testament. And a lot of them will believe He's the Messiah, if they can be shown that and shown that He--just like you described.
- That's a wonderful testimony. And that right there, what you just did was the very thing that back in 1995, when I was witnessing on chat rooms, and I'd come across a Jewish man who believed in Judaism, and I explained to Him that the Messiah did not in any way, shape, or form do away with the law, and there's no contradiction.
- And I talked to him on the telephone, and at the end of our conversation he believed Yahushua was the Messiah. If they can be shown that, in a lot of cases, they'll receive Him, and that is--we have a powerful thing here.
- You're looking at 2,000 years of blindness and their eyes being opened. It's awesome.
RJ:
- One thing that--it was funny. A day or two after that, I got into a discussion with another Orthodox Jew. He didn't come to the same conclusion, but he tried to say something that the perspective--he actually had an answer, but his answers didn't add up.
- And I just want you to be made aware of this, just in case you ever do another study on it. And this is the perspective I think that they are telling people to explain away the view that it's Israel. And even if it is, the Messiah is Israel. But to explain how they justify it, saying that it's Israel.
- And I just wanted you to know it, so that if you do another study on that, that you could address this perspective completely, even though I kind of already rebutted against it.
- But I was more interested in, eventually, if you ever did a study on it, to explain why even this view is illogical in detail, verse-by-verse.
- And I went through verse-by-verse, and up to verse 5, I stopped, because I realized that his answers weren't really sufficient anyway.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- His view in saying that it's Messiah, said, "Well, let's assume that for a second." And what I did was--and this is how I approach, when I'm looking for truth. And this is what I did last year when I was asking you questions, when I didn't know anything about Torah or anything.
- To look for the truth, you have to assume the person who is talking to you is telling the truth, and then view it from that perspective, and then see if it makes sense. Because it says in Proverbs, "There's a way that seems right to a man, but in the end, it leads to death."
- And that's assuming you have good judgment, also, because you can't be swayed by every single thing they say. So what I do for myself is I said, "Okay, if you are telling the truth, and if this is about Israel…"
- And then I went back and in all the places where it says, "He," I put Israel in parenthesis next to it, and all the places where it said something else, I put a question mark if I didn't know, and then I would ask him, "Well, who's this?"
- And so he made the assumption and tried to justify it with scriptures that it's the Gentiles who are speaking their message to the nations there, saying, "Wow, we're so confounded. We didn't realize this was happening."
- And so when it says, "my people," he says that it's referring to the Gentiles. And after about four or five verses of showing him what he's implying Israel is and the Gentiles are, it kind of fell apart.
- But that was the perspective that he came back in response to that. Who is "my people" in this place? And, of course, it fell apart, because of all the various things it says in there. It's obvious, and it's proven it's Messiah.
- If anything, him coming back at me proved even more to myself.
EliYah:
- Yeah.
RJ:
- Because when I would ask him questions, it was almost like he had never been asked them before.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- And then he said, "Well, you tell me, who is it?" And I said, "Well, I'm not the one who's claiming to understand it completely." And I don't. I don't claim to understand every single detail.
- Because if somebody says, "Hey, I've got the truth," then that means they should be able to explain it to you. And if they've saying they've got the truth, and then they can't answer all these questions or what they say is kind of loosely based, then that's probably not the truth, because the truth is going to stand out at somebody who is seeking truth.
- Like, I'm very much open to whatever the truth is. Like you said, it doesn't matter who has the truth, just what the truth is. And so I just--if you ever do another study again, that's the perspective that's out there in Judaism that they're teaching is that the "my people" is the Gentiles.
- I have other things on it, if you ever do another study again, that he said to me that would be great to have a more organized response to.
EliYah:
- Yeah.
RJ:
- But I just wanted to share that, because it was another--it was very, very loose, loose doctrine.
EliYah:
- Well, I am interested, brother, because it's been many years in the process, but I've been building a website on that very thing.
RJ:
- Isaiah 53.
EliYah:
- It's called FindingMessiah.com, FindingMashiach.com. They both point to the same website. But I've been working slowly on building a website dedicated specifically to reaching Israel with the Messiah.
RJ:
- HalleluYah.
EliYah:
- So I am interested, if you want to send that my way. Definitely.
RJ:
- Okay, 'cause I really, when I was talking to him, I wasn't talking to him--a lot of people go in these chat rooms online--not yours, but there's other chat rooms. We're not talking about EliYah's chat room, for anybody listening.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- They come into the chat rooms, and they expect to debate. Well, I go in there to either just talk to people about scripture or to learn from them. Because regardless of where somebody is in their walk, if they bring up a scripture, and they bring out a point that you never saw, you can learn something from them.
- And so I was allowing--I gave him the chance to justify and to explain why he viewed it that way, verse-by-verse.
- And I think putting in the perspective--he wasn't able to legitimize what he was saying, definitely not past 4 and 5. There's no way. You'd really have to stretch.
- And I basically forced him to identify what assumptions he was making.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- Because that is the thing is that there are assumptions going into it. There's assumptions on many different levels. I wrote down a few of those, and I kept a little bit of notes, and I remember the conversation.
- After talking with that Orthodox Jew, and after he said--and I never even expected that. I was just talking to him, because I felt led to.
- When he said, "I believe in the Messiah, what do I do now," it's kind of like Acts 2:38. Brothers, what shall we do?
EliYah:
- Yes.
RJ:
- And I posted that scripture to him, and I posted it to him, "Repent, seek tshuvah and be immersed in the name of Yahushua HaMashiach."
- And I was like this is what Paul did! No wonder he was so passionate about it. He grew up around it, and he was reaching out to his brethren. It was…
EliYah:
- Beautiful.
RJ:
- That's something that you can't experience. As long as you forsake the law of Yahweh, you will never experience converting a Jew to the truth.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- There is no truth, other than Yahweh.
EliYah:
- Because they recognize that if He did away with the law, then He was a rebellious son himself.
RJ:
- Exactly. In Isaiah 53, he is called Yahweh's servant. He's not called Yahweh's servant that's going to come and change everything.
EliYah:
- Right.
RJ:
- It's not out with the old and in with the new, out with the bad, in with the good. Jeremiah 16, sixth verse, whatever it was, "Seek the ancient ways, wherein is the good way." I forget that verse, but you know what I'm talking about.
EliYah:
- Yeah. Stand and look for the old way, where the good way is. Yeah. Well, that's excellent, brother.
RJ:
- [inaudible]
EliYah:
- Excellent, excellent. Thank you for sharing that. That was fantastic.
RJ:
- I just encourage everybody to seek the truth out there. If you're listening and you hear some of the things being said, and you say--when you hear any responses from your own pastor or anyone else, seek the truth on it. Don't seek anything but scripture.
- Even if you disagree with everything EliYah is saying, go look it up. It's there. It will speak to you. If you're seeking the truth, you will find it, and the truth will not show you to go away from Yahweh's law, because it's not bad. It's not bad.
- We're the ones who are bad. We're the ones who fail to do what's right. But the words of Yahweh are good. They're good. And so I just encourage anybody, if you're seeking to seek the scriptures. Seek the truth. Don't seek what somebody else teaches you. Seek what Yahweh wants to teach you. Look for His words.
- If He doesn't tell you to do it, then you probably shouldn't do it. If He does, then you probably should.
EliYah:
- Good word, brother. You're on fire.
RJ:
- Yeah, well, you know…
EliYah:
- Keep it up.
RJ:
- All right, well, Shabbat Shalom to everybody out there. That's about all I've got to say. Shabbat Shalom, everybody.
EliYah:
- All right. Shabbat Shalom to you, brother, and keep up the good work in Him.
RJ:
- HalleluYah.
EliYah:
- HalleluYah. Brother Gavriel. Make straight the paths, huh? All right. Yahweh is using him, and He can use all of us in the same way, absolutely can, and He wants to.
- And think about it. I mean, ever since this has got out that Yahweh's law is not abolished and that Gentiles begin keeping the law, just what Paul said would happen is happening, provoking to jealousy that we might save some.
- There's nothing about eating pork and keeping pagan holidays, and ignoring the feast days, and doing away with the Sabbath, that is going to provoke a Jewish man to jealousy.
- But you start doing these things, and how about that? When you realize that it's old one sweet unified Word of truth, wonderful, wonderful things begin to happen. HalleluYah.
- I believe we have Brother Brandon on line 1. Shabbat Shalom to you.
Brandon:
- Shabbat Shalom, EliYah. Well, man, actually I just wanted to not show no favoritism, but, man, praise Yahweh for that brother that was just on the phone. Truly, iron sharpens iron, and he actually answered the question I was calling in to ask you.
EliYah:
- Oh, okay.
Brandon:
- I guess I'll just go ahead and ask my one question I typed in. I had typed in online, some people, when I try and witness or show them the difference between clean and unclean foods, a lot of them like to take it back to Genesis.
- There is a real good example with Noah taking in the clean animals by 7, but they're real quick to bring out an argument against, well, it doesn't say in scripture that he ate them. He only used them for sacrifice.
- Is there any other saying that maybe I'm missing, that I could be sharpened on just to stick with the book of Genesis, just to show them that it's been that way from the beginning?
EliYah:
- Yahweh doesn't come out and say specifically anything. He doesn't come out and say you can't be homosexual, but there were just things that was known. And they just knew.
- So the people in Sodom and Gomorrah, they knew it was wrong, and Yahweh judged them for their immorality. It was a little easier then when you had the truth, because men lived longer, for one.
- I think it was Adam's son, Seth, that lived almost into Noah's timeline, as far as the length of his life. I think there was maybe 70 years difference between Seth's death and Noah's birth.
- So it was easier to communicate righteousness from one generation to another. And then we have Noah's son, Shem, coexisting with Abraham, because they lived such long lives.
- And so just a few generations, and so it didn't need, necessarily, to be written down until the lives of men were shortened to the point where we have the law of Yahweh being written down in the Torah given by Mosheh. But prior to that, it was just common knowledge.
- And so in looking at the clean and unclean, how did Noah even know what it was. It was just common knowledge. So the question is if Yahweh refers to the law--in the law of Yahweh, He says that you make yourself abominable by eating the flesh of unclean animals. You make yourself abominable. To do so is an abomination.
- Did that instantly happen just out of nowhere, the minute that Mosheh gave that law? Before that moment, it was not an abomination? And right after he said that, did they all of a sudden become an abomination?
- I find that hard to fathom, that all of a sudden, just went from acceptable to being an abomination. And so we have to look at that there were a lot of things that are not specifically mentioned in Genesis, but that was commonly understood to be correct.
- There's no specific mention of--it doesn't specifically say that man has to rest on the seventh day of the week, although we see it was sanctified at creation.
- And so by that we see that, of course, man would want to keep holy what Yahweh made holy. And so there are things like that, and it doesn't stop with the Torah. It's in a lot of areas. I just mentioned one, homosexuality.
- There's a whole lot of things that we understand are wrong today that wasn't specifically mentioned. It never specifically says, "Love your neighbor as yourself," until the Torah. But nobody is going to argue, "Well, they didn't have to love each other back then. It doesn't say they had to, so they didn't have to."
Brandon:
- I was pretty sure there wasn't anything in there. I was just going to double check. I usually always turn to that scripture you had quoted earlier from Isaiah, and no one can ever really answer that. No one ever really replies back with anything. When I show them that, they don't know what to say.
- Yahweh's Word usually just speaks for itself. Another question--I had one more real quick. I kind of started over, and have been reading from Genesis, and I'm going to try to read through the whole thing, instead of skipping around like I was always doing from when I was brought up.
- I was looking at Lamech, and Lamech had boasted--I'm assuming that when I read this, it was correct, that he boasted, "Surely, if someone had killed Cain, vengeance would come oh him sevenfold."
- This was not something that was good. That kind of threw me off-guard. Why was this man boasting like that? Why would he say, "Well, surely, if Cain would have been avenged sevenfold, Lamech would be seventy." Seventy-seven--I forget exactly which one.
- This was just his pride, correct? This was not something that was pleasing.
EliYah:
- Yeah, I don't think it was too pleasing to boast like that and to justify himself.
Brandon:
- I mean, that is the reason it was in there. That's what--I am reading, correctly. He was boasting. He was saying, like he justified himself for it.
EliYah:
- Right.
Brandon:
- Okay, all right. I just make sure.
EliYah:
- That's how I would view it. It doesn't comment on the goodness thereof, but I think, based on what we know from the rest of the scripture, that just because a man hurts us doesn't give us the right to murder him.
Brandon:
- Yeah.
EliYah:
- So, looking at that…
Brandon:
- That was just something I've never heard in my whole life. I grew up in a Baptist church. It's just something I've never heard in my whole life anybody preach on, nothing whatsoever. So it kind of threw me off-guard. Like, whoa, you never hear this in Sunday school. Not knocking them or anything, I'm just saying that you just never hear it.
EliYah:
- Mm-hm. Yeah. We've got to open our eyes to his word and not limit ourselves to any one teacher. Yahweh is our teacher, and He has all kinds of wonderful things He wants to instruct us on.
Brandon:
- Okay, well, man, that's pretty much it. I just wanted to ask that. And praise Yahweh for that other brother. Truly, iron sharpens iron. I really appreciate it. He actually answered my question I called in about.
EliYah:
- HalleluYah.
Brandon:
- I appreciate it.
EliYah:
- Good to hear from you, brother. Shabbat Shalom.
Brandon:
- Shabbat Shalom to all.
EliYah:
- Good to hear from Brother Brandon. It looks like we have one more phone call from Tracy on line 2. Shabbat Shalom to you. Are you there?
Tracy:
- Oh, yeah, I'm here. I'm sorry.
EliYah:
- Hi, Tracy.
Tracy:
- Hi.
EliYah:
- How are you doing?
Tracy:
- Pretty good.
EliYah:
- Glad to hear it.
Tracy:
- The guy that spoke before, was it Gabriel?
EliYah:
- Yes.
Tracy:
- I can kind of relate to him a little bit, because that's what kind of started me on my search was I was in church, and I would ask questions and stuff. And I would either get the run-around, or they would tell me to pray about it or whatever.
- And things that kept--I guess when I would read the scriptures, they keep popping out. Hear, O Yisrael, take heed, listen. And one thing that kind of stuck with me, that everybody just tends to ignore, I said, why--I kept asking why did Jesus say, "I didn't come to do away with the law, but to fulfill."
- And no one could ever really answer that. And so that began my search and everything. I was kind of sharing, talking with my brother, because he's been in church for awhile, too.
- And I said, "Why is it so hard? Why don't they teach us to use the true names, Yahushua and Yahweh?"
- And I said, "If my name is Tracy in English, no matter where I go, my name is still going to be Tracy." And I said, "Why don't they teach us to use the real names?"
- And I told him His name was Yahweh, and he just kind of looked at me strange. And I said, okay.
- The church I went to, like the guy's church, they mostly use the NIV, but the church I went to used the Amplified version.
- So I took them to Exodus 6:3, and it reads out of the Amplified as "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as the God Almighty, El Shaddai, but my name, the Lord," which you know is not the Lord. And then it says "Yahweh, the redemptive name of God. I did not make myself known to them in acts and great miracles."
- So his eyes just kind of got big. And I was like, okay, right there, there may be a couple of places where you find Jehovah, but right here in this specific verse, in this particular translation it says His name.
- And so it just kind of raised--I said, so now you can't take everything that your pastors or leaders tell you. You have to--I said, because we're all going to be held accountable. I said the scriptures tell us to seek Him and study to show ourselves approved.
- So if there was something that anybody else comes across, I think that's a good idea. We can use the versions that they have and still point out the truth. But I told him that every place it says Lord, it shouldn't say Lord. It should say Yahweh or Yahushua.
- And so that was a good tool. And when I seen it, I was just like truly saying, okay, cool, I can use this verse that's witnessing to some of the people. I should be able to use it to witness to anyone, but use it as a witnessing tool to people who think, okay, this is the true version or whatever.
- But I said right here, this kind of worked out to my advantage, because it says His name right there in Exodus 6:3.
EliYah:
- Right. Some people in Christianity actually use that verse and say, well, Abraham didn't use the name.
Tracy:
- Mm-hm.
EliYah:
- Therefore, I don't have to. We're going back to pre-Mosaic covenant times and trying to live like that.
Tracy:
- Yeah.
EliYah:
- But, actually, this week I actually read the NIV archeological study Bible, and they were trying to refute a textual criticism theory called the JPE theory. Anyway, they were showing that a possible translation of that verse would not necessarily indicate that by the name Yahweh He wasn't known to them, but that you could say, "By my name, Yahweh, was I not know to them?" As a question.
- Or you could say, "I appeared to Jacob as Elohim Almighty or El Shaddai."
Tracy:
- Uh-huh.
EliYah:
- "And by my name, Yahweh, did I not make myself known to them?" So there was different ways of translating that, which would bring a lot of scriptures into agreement. Because, for instance, there was one place where when Yahweh, when he actually offered Isaac on the altar, that Yahweh named that place Yahweh--I'm sorry--Abraham named that place Yahweh Yireh.
Tracy:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- So if he used and actually named a place Yahweh Yireh, then obviously Abraham knew the name. And so you can look that up, but I can maybe find it for you.
Tracy:
- That's very interesting, because another thing I did notice in some of the prophets, His name is--how can I explain it? Like Jeremiah (Yirmeyahu) and some of them, His name is actually in their names, when you actually look at the Hebrew parts of their name. You know what I mean?
EliYah:
- Right.
Tracy:
- So I thought that was pretty interesting.
EliYah:
- Yeah, it's true. In Genesis 22:14 is where Abraham named the place Yahweh Yireh.
Tracy:
- Okay, 22:14?
EliYah:
- Yeah.
Tracy:
- Okay, thank you.
EliYah:
- So I think the alternative translation would be more appropriate. Apparently, whatever translation you're reading from there actually used the name Yahweh, and so that is a good place. And there's also in the King James version, in Psalm 68:4, it says to praise Him by His name, Yah. And it's actually "Jah" there, but the J is pronounced with a Y sound, just like in hallelujah.
Tracy:
- Yeah, yeah.
EliYah:
- But Psalm 68:4 in the King James has His name.
Tracy:
- Yeah, I came across that, yeah.
EliYah:
- Yeah. And then in the New King James Version, there's several places where they have Yah, instead of Jah. And that's in Psalm 68:4, and three places in Isaiah: Isaiah 12:2, 26:4, and 38:11. They all have the name Yah there.
Tracy:
- Okay.
EliYah:
- That's pretty interesting.
Tracy:
- Yeah, it is. So everybody, I know it's kind of weird, because when you're coming out of that church setting, and you're searching for the truth, you feel kind of alone.
- But what I've done is just when I find scriptures like that, I try to write them down, so I can remember them. Even if I'm out witnessing to somebody--because I do hair for a living. And then I come across people that are Muslim, Mormonism. I have a Jewish lady that comes in.
- And so even with conversating with her, she believes the Messiah was a prophet. So I've written down a couple of scriptures to kind of show her that He is the Messiah.
- So, I guess, when we're out here, we just try to do the best we can and just continue to learn and stay open.
EliYah:
- HalleluYah. Very well.
Tracy:
- Thank you.
EliYah:
- All right. Shabbat Shalom to you. Good to hear from Sister Tracy. I forgot to catch where she was from, but some good pointers there from several phone calls of things that brothers and sisters can do to be equipped and to run the race and defend the faith that was once delivered to the saints and to give answer for those who ask you, "Why do you do what you do?"
- Always good to have more information, and that's one thing that we all can do for each other is encourage one another in the truth. HalleluYah.
- At this time, I'd like to go ahead and take your prayer requests. And we're going to share a few songs in the meantime, while we're collecting those prayer requests. And at the conclusion of the broadcast today, we'll go ahead and offer up prayer to Yahweh together.
- This next song is by Bill Rodgers, called "I Love You Yahweh." HalleluYah.
- [Music: "I Love You Yahweh," "You're the Only One," "Yom Kippur"]
EliYah:
- Amein. Indeed, it is.
- [Music: "Lead Me to the River of Your Healing Waters"]
EliYah:
- Amein. Thank you, brethren. I have enjoyed this time with you. It's a spiritual blessing for everyone here. We pray that you would continue to be blessed, also, by the fellowship here and the meetings. Until next week, Yahweh be with you, and may He glorify His name in all that you do. Shabbat Shalom to your homes.
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