Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 12/25/98

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YermeYah - HalleluYAH, Abba YHWH, kodesh be thy Name forever...

YermeYah - In Yahushua's name we come before thee this evening on your Shabbat...

YermeYah - and we thank you Father for being our Elohim and for this gathering together of your people...

YermeYah - Please Abba, have mercy on us and bless these services to exalt You and your matchless name...

YermeYah - anoint the speaker to bring forth a message to uplift your people...

YermeYah - and anoint our ears to hear your truth...

YermeYah - We ask this in Yahushua's Name...

YermeYah - HalleluYAH

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!
Tonite begins a 2 part study on the issue of the headcovering
The subject of the headcoverings is addressed quite heavily in 1 Corinthians chapter 11
I am aware that there are very many opinions on what this chapter is saying
It is my hope that Yahweh has lead me into the truth on this subject and that this study will help to resolve some of the differences
Based on what I have studied, I believe that the whole point of the chapter is that we need to cover our own glory while praying or prophesying and instead let Yahweh's glory shine forth
However, in this chapter we find that there are certain principles that are covered after a certain doctrine is stated. Because of
this, I believe that understanding would be increased by covering the principles first.
Afterward, (in part 2 of the study) we will go through the chapter verse by verse.
We know that Yahushua covers our sins, We know that He is our head.

1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YAHWEH.

Men must not cover their heads or they will be dishonoring Yahshua the Messiah:

1Corinthians 11:4 - Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

There are various opinion on why we must not 'cover' or 'hide' our heads..
However verse 7 tells us why men should not cover their heads in prayer and prophesying:

1Corinthians 11:7 - For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of YAHWEH: but the woman is the glory of the man.

So our heads represent the image and glory of Yahweh.
In fact, this scripture says that man is the glory and image of Yahweh. Therefore this scripture could in essence be saying "Do not cover up the glory of Yahweh while in His presence".
Some facts to recap:
1. Yahshua the Messiah is the spiritual head of man
2. Man is the image and glory of Yahweh.
3. Man should not cover his head (Yahweh's glory) while praying or prophesying or he will dishonor his Head, Yahshua.
Question...
Now that we have sinned, is our image and glory still the true image and glory of Yahweh?
After all, His image is a righteous image and His glory a righteous glory yet we have sinned!
How can a sinner still be the image and glory of Yahweh?
In reality there is only ONE who is the express image and glory of Yahweh.

Hebrews 1:1 - Elohim, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 - has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

Hebrews 1:3 - who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Hebrews 1:4 - having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Note that in verse 3, Yahshua is the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person
Yahshua is the WORD. The word is also a lamp, a light:

Psalms 119:105 - Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

And Yahshua said:

John 8:12 - Then spake Yahushua again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

And it is written:

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So Yahshua is the light of Yahweh's glory, the word and the express image of Yahweh fully.
Adam, the first man was created in the image of Yahweh but he sinned.
Yahshua came into the world as the 'second' Adam who did not sin. It is He who lives in us.

Romans 5:14 - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Romans 5:15 - But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the favor of YAHWEH, and the gift by favor, which is by one man, Yahushua the Messiah, hath abounded unto many.

Romans 5:16 - And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Romans 5:17 - For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of favor and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Yahushua the Messiah.)

Romans 5:18 - Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

So again, it is truth that only the man Yahshua is the true image and glory of Yahweh.
We (sinners) cannot alone be His full image and glory.
But Yahshua IN us gives us the righteousness and justification we need (through His blood 'covering' our sins) to be the image and glory of Yahweh.
Yahshua is living in us, and while praying it is not our own corrupted image that Yahweh sees but the Righteous Image and glory of Yahshua the Messiah IN US that is the true undefiled glory and image of Yahweh.

Galatians 2:20 - "I have been impaled with the Messiah; it is no longer I who live, but the Messiah lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of YAHWEH, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

So while praying and prophesying, the man must be sure not to cover his head..which spiritually is the glory of Yahweh. When
we pray, we need to let Yahweh's glory (Yahushua) be uncovered and let our own glory be covered. With this understanding,
let's read 1Cor. 11:7 again:

1Corinthians 11:7 - For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of YAHWEH: but the woman is the glory of the man.

We must not be in Yahweh's presence (during prayer and prophesying) without the glory of Yahshua upon us. To cover/hide our heads with any other veil is not sufficient.
We need the veil/covering of Yahshua the Messiah over us. For it is by His blood that we are saved!
2Corinthians 3 and 4 are important chapters that will give us some insight to the importance of this.
First let's examine its context:

2Corinthians 3:1 - Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you?

2Corinthians 3:2 - You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;

2Corinthians 3:3 - being manifested that you are a letter of the Messiah, cared for by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living Elohim, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of human hearts.

2Corinthians 3:4 - And such confidence we have through the Messiah toward YAHWEH.

2Corinthians 3:5 - Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as from ourselves, but our adequacy is from YAHWEH,

2Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

I do not want to get off track, but this verse is related I hope to explain
The law condemns us because we have not kept it. We need justification through the righteousness of Yahshua the Messiah.
Of course, now that we have been justified in Yahshua we ought not say it is acceptable to break the law again. It is for this
reason Yahshua had to die for us.
continuing..

2Corinthians 3:7 - But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

2Corinthians 3:8 - how shall the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

It is important to realize that there is a greater glory and a lesser glory..

2Corinthians 3:9 - For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.

2Corinthians 3:10 - For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory on account of the glory that surpasses.

2Corinthians 3:11 - For if that which fades away {was} with glory, much more that which remains in glory.

Now here is the important part of the chapter.
Please note that it is THE GLORY that IS passing away, not Yahweh's standard of righteousness!
The whole of Moses' ministry was the giving of Yahweh's commandments.
It is Yahweh's standard of righteousness.
But the ministry of Yahshua is one of SALVATION through His righteousness.

John 1:17 - For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Yahushua the Messiah.

The ministry of salvation and His righteousness has much greater glory than the one that condemns us with the sentence of death.

2Corinthians 3:12 - Having therefore such a hope, we use great boldness in {our} speech,

2Corinthians 3:13 - and not as Moses, who used to put a veil over his face that the sons of Israel might not look intently at the end of what was fading away.

Again, what is passing away is the 'glory', not Yahweh's standard of righteousness.
Unlike Moses who needed to put a veil on
his face when giving Yahweh's commandments (His face shone), we need to let the greater glory (from the ministry of salvation
through Yahshua the Messiah) shine!

2Corinthians 3:14 - But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in the Messiah.

2Corinthians 3:15 - But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart;

2Corinthians 3:16 - but whenever a man turns to YAHWEH, the veil is taken away.

The law is just too holy, spiritual and righteous when we read it unless we have forgiveness for our sins through the righteousness of Yahshua the Messiah in us!
Therefore, that veil will remain unless one turns to Yahweh through His Son.

2Corinthians 3:17 - Now YAHWEH is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of YAHWEH is, {there} is liberty.

Not liberty to sin again but liberty to come unto Yahweh without fear of condemnation if we have sinned!
This is the heart of why we can read His commandments without the veil

2Corinthians 3:18 - But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of YAHWEH, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from YAHWEH, the Spirit.

The reason that we with an "unveiled face" are looking in a mirror at the glory of Yahweh is that the fullness of the Messiah's glory / righteousness is in us!
When we look at the full glory of Yahweh, we see:
1. The lesser glory in the ministry of condemnation which was the 'light', the 'word' which condemns us
2. The greater glory of Yahweh in the righteousness of Yahshua the Messiah. (Which if we choose can be in us!)
As we grow in the Spirit, we see as in a 'mirror' the full glory of Yahweh.
In that mirror we see the light/the torah/the standard for righteousness, and therefore our sins. The light/the word (Yahshua) is what convicts us of our sins. This is the lesser glory.
In that mirror we also see then we see the righteousness of Yahshua imparted to us, this is the greater glory! Therefore as we
grow in His knowledge and become more and more obedient to His will we are being transformed from "glory to glory" by the
Spirit of Yahweh!!!
Now read this again with this as a backdrop:

2Corinthians 3:18 - But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of YAHWEH, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from YAHWEH, the Spirit.

It is only with the unveiled face that we can truly see the lesser and greater glory and thus be transformed!
In Yahushua we are the image and glory of Yahweh.
When we examine that image of the glory and righteousness of Yahweh, we begin to be transformed into His image.
And with this, other scriptures agree:

Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love YAHWEH, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Romans 8:29 - For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So we are being transformed from glory to glory into the image of Yahshua the Messiah. It is HIS image that we must bear.

2Corinthians 4:1 - Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart,

2Corinthians 4:2 - but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of YAHWEH, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of Elohim.

2Corinthians 4:3 - And even if our evangel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,

2Corinthians 4:4 - in whose case the elohim of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the evangel of the glory of the Messiah, who is the image of YAHWEH.

The good news of the 'glory of Yahshua the Messiah' is veiled to those who do not know Him and therefore are perishing.
It is veiled because satan has blinded them who do not believe.
For if they believed, then the LIGHT of the glad tidings of the glory of Yahshua would SHINE ON THEM.
What is the glad tidings/good news of the glory of the Messiah?
It is this:
Instead of us trusting in our own glory to approach the throne of Yahweh (which would cause our sins to be made manifest) and instead of covering what could have been the glory of Yahweh (our heads) when approaching Yahweh we can now come to Yahweh with the glory and image of Yahshua the Messiah fully upon us!
So again, we need HIS Glory to SHINE when in the presence of Yahweh both in prayer and in prophesying! Cover it not!

2Corinthians 4:5 - For we do not preach ourselves but the Messiah Yahushua as Master, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Yahushua's sake.

2Corinthians 4:6 - For YAHWEH, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of YAHWEH in the face of Yahushua the Messiah.

Verse 6 is so important! Yahweh commanded the light to shine out of the darkness in our hearts/minds to give the LIGHT of
the knowledge of the glory of Yahweh IN THE FACE OF YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH!
In praying or prophesying it must be the 'brightness of the glory' and perfect 'image' of Yahweh in the face of Yahshua the Messiah that Father Yahweh must see.

2Corinthians 4:7 - But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the surpassing greatness of the power may be of YAHWEH and not from ourselves;

And this, my brothers, is a treasure in our otherwise weak earthen vessels to show forth Yahweh's AWESOME power! HalleluYah!
Therefore, even though we are unveiled or uncovered by a garment of our own, we are 'covered with the brightness of the glory of Yahweh' who is Yahshua the Messiah.
In prayer or prophesying, the only veil we need is the flesh of Yahshua the Messiah. Only then can we even approach the presence of Yahweh:

Hebrews 10:19 - Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Yahushua,

Hebrews 10:20 - by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,

Hebrews 10:21 - and having a High Priest over the house of YAHWEH,

Hebrews 10:22 - let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Hebrews 10:23 - Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

For a man to put any other veil upon His head is to deny the sufficiency of the veil of Yahushua! There is a reason that the veil to the holy of holies (wherein lies the mercy seat) was split in two.
If it is the glory of Yahweh in the face of Yahshua the Messiah that is now seen by Yahweh on the head of man, then it must be
important that a man uncover his head.
It is because the face of a man in Yahshua is in reality the image and glory of Yahweh through the face of Yahshua the Messiah that his head must not be not covered!
Now with these in mind, let's again review the verses dealing with the uncovering of the man's head:

1Corinthians 11:2 - Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YAHWEH.

1Corinthians 11:4 - Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

Now we can understand what that means! When a man covers his head in prayer, he is dishonoring Yahshua the Messiah..whose glory should be made manifest unto Yahweh.

1Corinthians 11:7 - For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of YAHWEH: but the woman is the glory of the man.

As we have seen, verse 7 is quite a loaded verse.
Now that we have covered the importance of letting Yahweh's glory shine unto Him in prayer and prophesying, we need to examine the importance of covering up our OWN glory.
This week we have dealt with the issue of head covering as it relates to men. Because of time constraints, the portion concerning women will have to be covered next week.
Next week we will also go through the entirety of 1 Corinthians 11...verse by verse
May Yahweh bless you all!

End

rocks - HalleluYAh!!!!

Berean - \O/\0/\o/\o/\o/\o/ Praise YAHWEH!!

Saly - Great Sermon!! I didn't want it to end.....

BrBob - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================

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BrPoet - \o/\o/\o/HalleluYah \o/\o/\o/

Dove - Praise Yahweh! Thank you for the message EliYah!

BrPoet - Shabbatt Shalom BrBob

rocks - |o/ \0/ praise yahweh

YermeYah - HalleluYAH!

EliYah - HalleluYah

BrBob - Now I need to read it on the transcrips.....HalleluYah

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Dove - HALLELUYAH!

BrBob - Shalom BrPoet !

EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?

JamesTrimm - Eliyah, this was a VERY good DRASH on 1Cor. 11

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Ruth - HalleluYah!!!!!!

EliYah - hehe..Praise Yahweh

ElderSoto - Good Sermon, you have left us all with a great expectation for next week.

Saly - Thanks, BrBob

BrPoet - Thanks EliYah for a great sermon

BrBob - Now, look at what I missed......

Hannah - Sorry I had to get off. Just got word mom is in very very bad condition, back in hospital. Bleeding internally again, given 3 pints of blood / plasma. She also must have had another stroke or heart attack as she turned blue and black once last Sunday.

JamesTrimm - It gace a good understanding of the homiletical/allegorical meaning of the passage without violating its PASHAT (literal meaning)

Dove - Praise the Spirit of Yahweh!

rocks - Shabbot shalom everyone

Beverly - I have a question

EliYah - I think it is necessary for one to read this portion in order to fully comprehend what I have to share next week

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Beverly - Why were the priest in Tenakh commanded to have their heads covered?

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compania - Hannah, I'm sorry to hear about your mother

BrPoet - I am sorry to hear that Hanna May Yahweh be with her.

ElderSoto - My compassion goes for you Hannah.

Dove - I'm so sorry Hannah. You're mother will be in my prayers. You too.

Hannah - I can't go because of the ice south of here.

EliYah - Bev, one explanation is that the mitre did not fully cover the head as meant in 1Cor. 11

Hannah - Thank each of you for being here for us.

Saly - Oh, Sister, I am so sorry !

JamesTrimm - "covered" is OK it is "hidden" or "veiled" that is the problem

JamesTrimm - the word in 1Cor. 11 is properly understood as HIDE not COVER

BlueHaze^ - very enlightening . i could listen for hours! thanks eliyah...

EliYah - HalleluYah

BrBob - Shalom BlueHaze^ !

compania - Have you discussed the matter of blood?

BlueHaze^ - what is shalom ?

compania - Sorry I'm so late. I just returned

BrPoet - Peace

BrBob - Means peace

Hannah - As in the prayer veil?

BrBob - : )

JamesTrimm - I would liket to address the issue of Jn. 1:17 which was mentioned...

BrPoet - like minds

EliYah - Shalom means "Peace" in Hebrew..but it often also used as a greeting..like Hello or goodbye

Hannah - Shalom is a very coveted blessing on a household.

BrBob - Hi Bro

BrPoet - Hi Ache!

Dove - Thank you. I have to leave. See you next Sabbath. Peace to all.

EliYah - We always need His 'Shalom/Peace' in us :)

BrBob - Ache!

EliYah - Go ahead James..

BrPoet - Shabbatt Shalom Aliechim Dove

Beverly - It seems to me that if the priest were commanded to have their heads covered and that we are to be priest men should have their heads covered

BrBob - Shalom YermeYah !

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BlueHaze^ - thanks for the insight. I'm just a babe in christ. i might ask dumb ?'s .

EliYah - No question is a dumb question :)

BrBill - Some people just don't understand scripture.

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BrBob - BlueHaze, be sure to look over the web site

EliYah - We all were babes at one time

BrBob - : )

Beverly - The law has not changed. not one stroke.

BrBill - i c

BrBob - My wife calls me a child

BrPoet - no comment

BrBob - I am missing Brother Greg.....

BrPoet - me to

EliYah - Me too BrBob

EliYah - He was online earlier today

BlueHaze^ - they can if they pray for the spirit. anyone can understand scripture it is life.

BrBob - I want to see his big fuzzy face

JamesTrimm - It should properly read: "The Because the Torah was given through Moses, then truth and grace was through Y'shua the Messiah

BrBill - I know where BrGreg is but I won't tell. ehehehehh

Beverly - James what is the difference in Hide and cover?

BrBob - hey

BrBob - Shalom BrBill !

JamesTrimm - this is poetic parallelism in Hebrew poetry in which the same thing is said twice in parallel form.

BrPoet - ahhhhhhh shucks

BrPoet - tell tell

BlueHaze^ - who is greg?

BrBill - Hey! BrBob

BrBill - Shalom BrBob

Ruth - ...THEN thruth and grace huh Jems?? INteresting!!!!

BrBob - DelaYah is his nick

Ruth - James?

BrPoet - I thought hay was for horses

Beverly - Dr.. Trimm

BrPoet - :-)

JamesTrimm - The scriptures make it clear that Torah IS truth and gace

Hannah - Hi Ruth.. I have not forgotten you.

JamesTrimm - gace>grace

Beverly - please explain the difference in hide and cover

BrBill - oops! Someone just told me i'm wrong about the wareabouts of BrGreg.

Hannah - Torah. as in Romans 1: is the ten, which is sin.

BrBill - Sorry!

ElderSoto - Is anyone going to address Beverly's concerns?

BrBill - I don't know where he is.

Hannah - Cover as to cover up where you are hid maybe?

BrPoet - guess no one knoew's

EliYah - I was waiting for James

BrBob - BlueHaze....here is another webv site with a few booklets online that will be helpfull in your search for truth.. http://www.cyberramp.net/~dlmartin/

EliYah - I think he is typing

BrBill - Yeah ask James Trimm

JamesTrimm - a Kipph does not HIDE ones head

Beverly - o-k, I understand that.

EliYah - (Kiphh is the mitre)

BlueHaze^ - thanks bob

Hannah - You to Ruth. Been busy.

Beverly - Dr. TRIMM: Men are to wear Kipph they are not to cover their face. Right?

JamesTrimm - Yes... in other words a man should not wear a veil

BrBob - ?

Hannah - Where is the command to wear a Kipph?

EliYah - I thought only the High Priest was commanded to wear a Kipph

BrPoet - What is a kipph

BrBill - Only the high Priest is to wear the clothes of a high Priest.

EliYah - The mitre

Beverly - The Kipph is a dome shape headcovering that represents being covered by the Mount of YHUH

BrPoet - thanks

EliYah - maybe I'm wrong

JamesTrimm - regardin Jn. 1:17 truth = Torah (Ps. 119:43-44, 151; 138:2; 1Kn. 2:3-4)

Beverly - Doesn't Rev. 5:10 say that we are to be priest?

Hannah - Yahshua is our high priest.

Hannah - To be not yet.

BrBill - We are to be priest but not yet.

EliYah - No doubt the Torah, His light, His word...Yahshua is truth and light

Hannah - As of now we only have one priest, and that is Yahshua

Beverly - Yes, but aren't we to act as if we were?

Hannah - No

Hannah - Priest are over a group of people. We are told now that all are as one before Him,

Beverly - Are you sure?

BrBill - WE have not come to the full Glory of the Spirit. We are not yet changed into spirit.

BlueHaze^ - who is yoshua?

Hannah - Right, we will be spirit beings

Beverly - Are we not in training?

BlueHaze^ - god or jesus?

BrPoet - Yahsua the Messiah

ElderSoto - How long have the Jews been wearing the Kipph?

BrBob - Jesus real name is Yahshua Blue

JamesTrimm - and grace = fear of YHWH (Ps. 103:11; 118:4; Prov. 16:6) and fear of YHWH = Torah observance (Dt. 17:19; 31:12)

BrBill - Can we wear the same garments as Yahshua does now being He is the High Priest of the most High Yahweh?

Hannah - That is His Hebrew name since HE was a Hebrew baby

EliYah - Yahshua is commonly called "Jesus"

Beverly - The woman's veil represents her wedding veil.

Beverly - so are not the women wearing the garments of the future?

BrPoet - Shabbatt Shalom Caleb

BrBob - Favor and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of YAHWEH and Yahshua our Master, YermeYah

Beverly - Shouldn't also the men do the same?

BrBob - Fred!

Caleb - Shabbat Shalom BrPoet

rocks - BrBob, hmmm Yahshua blue...never heard him called that...LOL

Caleb - Bob!

BrBill - What ;is the garments of the future?

EliYah - Are there any prayer requests?

YermeYah - SHalom everybody, I'm gonna go

BrBill - A pure white robe.

Beverly - Someone said we are not yet priest

BrPoet - Shalom YermeYah

ElderSoto - Beverly, when did the Jews begin to wear the Kipph?

Beverly - So in the future we will be priest

rocks - Shabbot shalom YermeYah

Beverly - then isn't their garment for them to wear?

BrBob - BlueHaze can you private msg me?

BrBill - We are to be (Priests)

BrBill - TO BE.

Beverly - The Israelites were commanded about the headcovering in the wilderness

Caleb - Shabbat Shalom Berean

Hannah - We will have the garments of righteousness. In the old time, a robe was worn by men and women, only the color was different

BrBill - Not yet there.

Ruth - shabbat shalom too :)

Hannah - We are not in the wilderness, we are doing what ever it was that Yahshua says to do now, in our time.

Beverly - Where do you read that the color was different?

ElderSoto - I ask, because according the Encyclopedia Judaica, the Kipph began as a medival practice, which would make it very resent.

Beverly - Then we should be doing everything written in Tenakh, because not one stroke was deleted.

Hannah - It is in the history books

BrBill - WE are in the wilderness. The wilderness of sin. But we are not part of that sin.

Beverly - +Matt. 5:17-20

BrBill - Sin=world.

Hannah - Not me.. I have come out of sin.

Hannah - I do not practice sin

BrBill - Yet you are in a sinful world.

BrBill - I came out too.

Beverly - Matt. 5:17-20

Hannah - IT is not called a wilderness but the world

Hannah - Smile

BrBill - We are just not of the world.

Caleb - Shabbat Shalom EliYah

BrBill - We do not partake of their sins.

BrPoet - were in the world but not of it

Hannah - Praise Yahweh he has summoned us to come to Him.

Hannah - Right BrPoet

BrBill - Wilderness is symbolic.

rocks - +Matt 5 17

BrPoet - \o/\o/ HalleluYah

Hannah - Bev. Jack said to add Mtt 5:21 to that?

Caleb - Shabbat Shalom Wonder

Hannah - Do not kille, steal.

EliYah - Are there any prayer requests?

Beverly - Matt. 5:21

rocks - +Matt 5 21

Hannah - This is the law it was talking aboaut

BrPoet - Shabbatt Shalom Hanna

Hannah - Don't you love my spelling?

BrPoet - :-)

Hannah - Well spelling almost came out spleen

Saly - Poor Hannah!

Hannah - Mind is gone

BrPoet - whats that

Hannah - Fingers have taken over

BrBill - +john 17 11

Beverly - Matt. is not speaking of just one commandment but the whole of Torah. none of it was done away. Not one stroke of the pen

Hannah - HalleluYah

BrBob_mailEt - I'm watching tho

rocks - +Deut 24 16

BrBill - BrBob peeks now and then.

Hannah - Boo

EliYah - I think it is clear that not one stroke of Yahweh's word is abolished

Beverly - My whole point is men are to have their heads covered. Their faces are not to be hiden from YHUH

BrBob_mailEt - yeah

Hannah - Yep. His moral law has never changed one jot or stroke

EliYah - I don't know of any commandment for the priests to cover their heads..only the High Priest?

BrBill - The point of EliYah's sermon is that men are not to cover their heds.

ElderSoto - Beverly, do you mean that all torah is still binding, no qualifications?

BrBill - Heads.

Hannah - I must go. I want to have worship time with the Father one on one.

Beverly - Yes, that is what I mean ever stoke of the pen is still in effect

BrPoet - I'm getting lost cover uncover ??

Ysrlsue - goodnight everyone!

EliYah - Let's have prayer

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