Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 12/18/98

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BrTom - Yahshua observed it.

BrBob - No problem

BrTom - Dear Father in heaven, we come before you on you Sabbath day...

BrTom - in the name of your son Yahshua.

BrTom - Father, please, for the sake of His sacrifice, forgive our sin and our uncleanness and

BrTom - allow us to come into your presence.

BrTom - Father we ask your blessing on our observance of the Sabbath.

BrTom - We want to please you in all that we do.

BrTom - We want you to correct us when we are wrong.

BrTom - Father please give us willing and yielded hearts...

BrTom - so that we can be corrected with your light touch.

BrTom - Father, please send your spirit to be in this meeting this evening..

BrTom - to teach us, to guide us, to inspire us.

BrTom - Let the meeting be a special blessing to those who are new with us.

BrTom - Bless and inspire the speaker.

BrTom - In Yahshua's name we ask these things and

BrTom - express our great love for you. HalleluYAH!!!!!!!!!!!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!
Tonite I would like to answer the question "Is the law Jewish"?
I believe that there are 2 answers to that question, yes and no.
And I believe that it depends on the meaning of the question.
If someone is asking me if the law is 'Jewish', in one sense I would say yes
To be "Jew-ish" in one sense is to be Jew-like. The word "Jew" is derived from "Judah" or .. "Yehudah" in Hebrew.
If one were to say that the law is Jewish in that perspective, I would agree for Jews have at least believed in keeping the law/Torah for thousands of years although tradition and Talmud have placed unnecessary things on top of the law.
However, if you were to say that the law is Jewish and this means that it was only given to "Jews", I would like to demonstrate from scripture that this is not true.
I want to ask everyone who shares this opinion to shake loose the traditions of men and please examine the scriptures with me on this issue..
First, let's learn about what "Righteousness" is.
From the beginning, Yahweh looked with favor upon the righteous:

Genesis 7:1 - And YAHWEH said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

Noah and his family were saved because of righteousness Also Abraham..

Genesis 15:5 - And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Genesis 15:6 - And he believed in YAHWEH; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

It wasn't an empty belief, it was backed up by action and works..

Genesis 18:19 - For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of YAHWEH, to do justice and judgment; that YAHWEH may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Yahweh is righteous!

Deuteronomy 32:4 - He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: An El of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psalms 40:10 - I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.

Even Pharoah acknowledged that!

Exodus 9:27 - And Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said unto them, I have sinned this time: YAHWEH is righteous, and I and my people are wicked.

As did Yahshua

John 17:25 - O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

The scriptures say that keeping the
Torah/LAW is righteousness
Deuteronomy 6:25 - And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before YAHWEH our Elohim, as he hath commanded us.

Deuteronomy 6:25 - And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before YAHWEH our Elohim, as he hath commanded us.

Notice it says "All these" not just a part here or there

Psalms 19:9 - The fear of YAHWEH is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of YAHWEH are true and righteous altogether.

His word is His law...His word is righteous!!

Psalms 119:123 - Mine eyes fail for thy salvation, and for the word of thy righteousness.

Psalms 119:172 - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

"all thy commandments" not just parts of them

Psalms 119:160 - Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

every one?? forever? YES
Even in Yahshua's day The parents of John the baptist...

Luke 1:5 - There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Luke 1:6 - And they were both righteous before YAHWEH, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YAHWEH blameless.

Now I feel certain that the scriptures teach that the opposite of righteousness is unrighteousness or sin

Romans 6:15 - What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under favor? By no means!!

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Here we see that Sin and righteousness are opposites. Sin leads to death and obedience leads to righteousness.Here is another verse showing that sin is simply "unrighteousness"

1John 5:17 - All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

This brings us to the question of what exactly is sin?Well, if obedience to the law is righteousness...transgression of the law is sin/unrighteousness

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

1John 3:5 - And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

1John 3:6 - Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

1John 3:7 - Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

1John 3:8 - He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of YAHWEH was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

1John 3:9 - Whoever has been born of YAHWEH does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of YAHWEH.

1John 3:10 - In this the children of YAHWEH and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of YAHWEH, nor is he who does not love his brother.

So now that we know what sin is, what about all those that seem to say certain parts of His law need not be kept by His people?
Should we only observe the laws that are for Gentiles?
Are the Sabbath, the Feast days and the clean and unclean commandments given to Jews or Israelites only??
Let's examine...

Genesis 7:1 - And YAHWEH said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

Genesis 7:2 - Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

The clean/unclean COULDN'T be Jewish because Noah..existed centuries before there was ever a Jew or an Israelite, and he, being "RIGHTEOUS" knew about the clean and unclean animals
The answer then MUST be that this is not a Jewish law or doctrine, but this is YAHWEH'S law and doctrine
Yahweh clearly marked the animals at creation so that man could distinguish between the clean and the unclean animals.
For animals, they must have a cloven hoof and chew the cud to be clean. For fish, they must have fins and scales to be clean.
The remarkable thing about this is that nearly all of the clean animals are vegetarians and nearly all the unclean animals are bottom feeders. Yahweh designed the animals in such a miraculous way, what a blessing!
This is not a 'Jewish' law, this is Yahweh's law.
What about the Sabbath, is it intended for Jews or Israelites only?
We learn that Yahweh did something else at creation besides marking the animals. He also rested on the seventh day:

Genesis 2:2 - And on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Why did Yahweh rest on the Sabbath day?
Was it because He was physically tired?
This cannot be, Yahweh does not need to 'rest'. Why then did Yahweh rest?
As an example for us! In the Ten Commandments, which are written in stone by His own finger..Yahweh writes:

Exodus 20:8 - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 - But the seventh day is the sabbath of YAHWEH thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 - For in six days YAHWEH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YAHWEH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Here it is written that Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it at creation.
Some will argue that there is no scripture telling us that the patriarchs kept the Sabbath day
But I assure you there is no scripture telling us that the patriarchs DIDN'T keep the Sabbath day!
In fact, it was written of Abraham:

Genesis 26:4 - And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Genesis 26:5 - Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Where was Yahweh's statutes and His laws in the days of Abraham?
I believe they were passed down from generation to generation and were commonly known in those days. However, when the children of Israel went into the wilderness, they went into forced labor and this commandment along with many others..was forgotten:

Nehemiah 9:13 - Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

Nehemiah 9:14 - And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

Here Nehemiah says in truth that Yahweh "made known to them" His holy Sabbath. His Sabbath day had already existed since creation, Yahweh had to make it known to them that they were to be keeping it holy/separate.
So was the Sabbath for Jews only? Some might point to this scripture:

Exodus 31:16 - Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 31:17 - It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days YAHWEH made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Some might say that this scripture indicates that the Sabbath was something between the children of Israel and Yahweh only. There are several logical reasons why this cannot be so:
1. It would be out of character for Yahweh, is the same yesterday, today and forever to rest on the seventh day as an example for only the Jews or Israelites living in a relatively short 1500 year time span of Sabbath keeping.
2. Yahweh plainly says that it is a sign between Him and the children of Israel "Forever". We are the children of Israel for it is written that "If you are the Messiah's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise." Therefore when Yahweh says "Forever" He means "Forever!" This statement alone should prove that the resting on the 7th day and keeping it holy should not cease during ANY time period of history.
So was/is the Sabbath for Jews only? Not at all, it was kept by Yahweh's true people since the beginning of creation.
Yahshua plainly said that His Sabbath was for everyone when He said:

Mark 2:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

When Yahshua said that the Sabbath was made 'for man', I believe that He was telling the truth
By some interpretations, they would have to correct Yahshua and tell Him He should have said "The Sabbath was made for Jews, not Jews for the Sabbath".
But this is not what Yahshua said!
His statement is backed up by scripture. Let's read the 56th chapter of Isaiah:

Isaiah 56:2 - Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

It doesn't say "Blessed is the Jew that doeth this"
In fact..

Isaiah 56:3 - Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to YAHWEH, speak, saying, YAHWEH hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

Isaiah 56:4 - For thus saith YAHWEH unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isaiah 56:5 - Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isaiah 56:6 - Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to YAHWEH, to serve him, and to love the name of YAHWEH, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Isaiah 56:7 - Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

This proves that the Sabbath was intended for anyone who has "Joined himself to Yahweh" for Yahweh says that "EVERYONE who keeps from defiling the Sabbath" will be accepted in His sight!
To be certain, it is written that everyone will be observing His Sabbath day after the resurrection:

Isaiah 66:22 - For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YAHWEH, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHWEH.

ALL FLESH
Not just Israelites or Jews
every Sabbath
Even in the New Testament time period we see that the Gentiles and the Jews were keeping the Sabbath together in the Synagogue:

Acts 18:4 - And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Truly, the Sabbath was not for Jews only. James knew what day the Gentiles would be gathered:

Acts 15:19 - Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to YAHWEH:

Acts 15:20 - But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Acts 15:21 - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

It was well known by James and others there that the Gentiles would be keeping the Sabbath and therefore would be in the synagogue on the Sabbath day and there they would learn more about Yahweh's law.
James also stated the same thing in his writings:

James 2:2 - For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes,

James 2:3 - and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool,"

The word that is translated "assembly" in this scripture (verse 2) is the greek word 4684 "Sunagoge", translated synagogue 55 times in the new testament.
Correction, 4864
I do wonder how many people honestly believe this scripture:

Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in the Messiah Yahushua.

If you believe this then you cannot say that Yahweh holds one standard for one race of people and another standard for another race of people. This is not truth!
Yahweh's law was never meant to be double sided. In fact, Yahweh said on more than one occasion:
In reference to Passover..

Exodus 12:49 - One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

then in another place..

Numbers 15:16 - One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

When Yahweh says something more than once, surely we must believe it!
Therefore, I believe all these scriptures prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Yahweh's Sabbaths endure forever and are intended for all mankind, not just Jews.
Finally, the Feast days are also meant for all of mankind
Many of the same scriptures that I have shared concerning the weekly Sabbath day would also apply for Yahweh's seven annual Sabbaths.
In fact, the first part of Leviticus 23 which outlines all of Yahweh's feast days it says:

Leviticus 23:2 - Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Leviticus 23:3 - Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YAHWEH in all your dwellings.

Please note: This scripture says that these are the feasts of Yahweh, not the feasts of the Israelites or the Jews. He says "These are MY feasts"

Leviticus 23:4 - These are the feasts of YAHWEH, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Leviticus 23:5 - In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is YAHWEH's passover.

This begins a detailed outline of Yahweh's feast days. Apparently, Yahweh's weekly Sabbath is also considered a feast day.
This indicates the unity of all of Yahweh's Sabbaths being important.
There are many scriptures also that indicate His annual Sabbaths are intended for all who join themselves to Yahweh, however with time constraining I want to quote one very clear one:
This is in the context of the great battle against Jerusalem in the end times:

Zechariah 14:12 - And this shall be the plague wherewith YAHWEH will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue she will consume away in their mouth.

Zechariah 14:13 - And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from YAHWEH shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

Zechariah 14:14 - And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

Zechariah 14:15 - And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

Zechariah 14:16 - And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, YAHWEH of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:17 - And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, YAHWEH of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zechariah 14:18 - And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith YAHWEH will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Here we see that Yahweh is plainly FORCING Gentiles to come up and worship Him and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles!
If was never His will for Gentiles to keep the feast days why would Yahweh put plagues on Gentiles for not coming to worship Him?
And for not keeping the feast?
But these are only a sample of the scriptures that show there is no such thing as a feast only for 'Jews'.
Many of us have heard the statements..
"I don't keep the clean/unclean commandments, it's Jewish"
or
"I don't keep the Sabbath day, it's Jewish"
or
"I don't keep the annual Sabbath/feast days, I'm not Jewish"
Well, I do have some news for you..
We have a Savior who is our ultimate example..and HE is Jewish!
I believe that it is because of bias against the Jews throughout Roman/Greek churchianity that people are saying these things today!
All of Yahweh's commandments intended for Jews are also intended for anyone who wants to be grafted in and join themselves unto Yahweh!
Keeping the Sabbath is no more Jewish in that context than keeping oneself from adultery!
Must we seek out our lineage now to see if we have any Jewish blood and would need to keep these commandments?
That's insane!
Forget that! As I often say, walk as Yahshua walked!

1John 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Yahushua the Messiah the righteous.

1John 2:2 - And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

1John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1John 2:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1John 2:5 - But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of YAHWEH is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

1John 2:6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

In truth, a person cannot say out of one side of their mouth that we need not keep the Sabbath and clean/unclean commandments and then out of the other side of their mouth say that we need to walk as Yahshua walked. This is clearly double talk!
What we really need to do...
is look at Yahshua's life...
and emulate it...
in doing so..
it is not we who do it..
but it is He doing it in us..
just as He did on earth.
May His Spirit of truth and love and righteousness abide in us forever..
and may Yahweh bless you all!
 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

End

Ebed - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HalleluYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

Caleb - HalleluYah!!!!!

Berean - \O/\0/\o/\o/\o/\o/ Praise YAHWEH!!

BrTom - YalleluYAH!!!!!!!

BrBob_brb - Strong message Bro...

BrTom - Shalom Talmidim.

Caleb - Shabbat Shalom Berean

TrustInYHWH - \o/ Praise YHWH!!! \o/

Ebed - Shalom Berean !

BrTom - Shalom TIY

Berean - Shabbat Shalom!

EliYah - Shabbat Shalom Berean :)

Caleb - Shalom Ebed :)

Ebed - Shalom Caleb !

Saly - Shalom Talmidim.

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Dove - HALLELUYAH!!!!!!!!PRAISE HIM WHO LIVES FOREVER!

compania - What is Lawful is public health, nutrition, Rest, and loving one's Parents. Christianity isn't against any of THOSE practices.

Talmidim - Shalom! Yall!

compania - What is Lawful is also good common sense!

Berean - Shalom Aleichem Talmidim

Dove - Shalom.

Caleb - what is lawfull is what YAHWEH said for us to do in His law

compania - But He said so SO that we will get Good Lives and Good Effects, not just to give Rules

EliYah - Yes, Caleb

EliYah - Compania, the false prophet..I banned you long ago

EliYah - Have you repented yet?

faith - faith HalleluYAH!!!!!!

compania - why?

Caleb - all His laws are for our own good, He never takes anything away from us that is good

compania - Precisely so.

compania - Holy Law keeps the people strong.

EliYah - I hope you have

Caleb - well, He took away alot of things through His law and to do them is not good for us....

Caleb - and is sin

EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?

compania - The Law makes good sense because it works.

Hannah - My hearts desire is to worship Him in truth and in the Ruach HaKodesh

Ruachyahu - Why are we so silent and let pagan churches enjoy set up the xmas tree? Did you speak out against churches? and warning them

TrustInYHWH - Shabbat Shalom all!!

TrustInYHWH - Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

compania - Let their effects judge against them. I'm not in the judging business.

Caleb - Shabbat Shalom TIY

Hannah - When asked, then we are to tell them of our hope

Ruachyahu - If we silent we will held account before Yahweh for not warning them our blood will require

BrBob_brb - Shalom TrustInYHWH !

Dove - Thank you for a wonderful message EliYah. Blessings to all gathered here on His Holy Sabbath. I have to go for now. Peace to you. See you next Sabbath

TrustInYHWH - Hi Bob

Hannah - By Dove

BrTom - Dove?

EliYah - Are there any prayer requests tonite?

Prayer Service Witheld..

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