Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 12/05/97

Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 12/05/97


<EliYah> Let us begin the meeting :)

<Tamar> k :)

<Berean> Hallal Yahh \o/ Thank Yahweh for the Sabbath!

<Br_Greg> \o/

<EliYah> YermeYah will open the meeting tonite with a prayer to Almighty Yahweh

<YermeYah> HalleluYAH

Abba YAHWEH, Kodesh be thy Name forever... In the Name of Yahshua haMashiach we gather here before you to worship you and to learn of your word on your Sabbath Day... we ask that you look down upon us with favor and mercy we thank you Abba for calling us into this walk and we ask that we can be found to be worthy to be your chosen... please help us to be receptive to your truth and to grow in the Ruach... also help us to follow your commandments so that we will not only be hearers, but we will also be doers of your Will... We pray for all of your people at this time, but especially any of those who have special needs... Heavenly Father, we ask all these things in the Name of Yahshua haMashiach... HalleluYAH!!

<Tamar> Praise YAHWEH!

<EliYah> So let it be, HalleluYah!

<humbled> Thank You YermeYah.

<Br_Greg> HalleluYah!!!!

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We are gathered together to praise and worship Father YAHWEH... And to learn of His Word.The purpose of this channel is to make disciples of all the nations as Yahshua commanded. Let us remember His words tonite: (Matt 11:28-30)"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." All are encouraged to participate after the sermon is completed and everyone is given voice. Prayer and testimonies may be given at this time. Also, please share any prayer requests that you might have. #1MESSIAH is a meeting place for non-denominational believers who stand on the Word of YAHWEH. We openly welcome all who hunger and thirst after righteousness. Notice...This is YAHWEH's Sabbath Day, His Day, we are gathered here to Honor and Worship our Maker.We would appreciate there not being any statements that may lead to debates or strife during this meeting. We thank you for your cooperation. Praise YAHWEH for allowing us to be together this night. YAHWEH bless you, and enjoy tonight's sermon, worship, praise and fellowship.PS... Please remember to adjust your screen to wide :)

<EliYah> HalleluYah Tonite I would like to share something that is a common accusation against those who love the commandments and law of Yahweh Tonite I want to talk about what the scriptures have to say about legalism Many accuse those who love the law of Yahweh of being a "legalist." But just what is legalism? Is it obeying the commands of Yahweh with all our hearts? Is it adding to the commands of Yahweh? Is it focusing too much on obedience and not enough on "salvation"? Amazingly, there is no such word as "legalism" anywhere in scripture However, according to Nave's Topical index, here is a few examples of Legalism in the scriptures:

Mark 2:23 - And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.:24 - And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?:25 - And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?:26 - How he went into the house of YAHWEH in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath::28 - Therefore the Son of man is master also of the sabbath.

Also..

Mark 3:1 - And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.:2 - And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.

Here we see an example of where the Scribes and Pharisees had added to the commandment of Sabbath observance. They had misunderstood the Spirit of Yahweh's commandments..so they forbade anyone to practice these things Here is yet another example:

Luke 13:14 - And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that YAHSHUA had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.:15 - YAHSHUA then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?:16 - And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

The Scribes and Pharisees had added over 1000 laws to the Sabbath command, sometimes making exemptions for themselves! Indeed they made it a burden...not as Yahweh intended We are not to add to His word! If there is such a thing as legalism, this would be it. It is adding to the word of Yahweh

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Keeping Yahweh's commandments is NOT legalismThe Scribes and Pharisees had added many other things to His word but Yahshua showed them how wrong it was. According to Yahshua, the motives of the Scribes and Pharisees was not out of a love for Yahweh but out of a love for traditions and doctrines of men:

Mark 7:6 - He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.:8 - For laying aside the commandment of YAHWEH, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

There are many traditions in the festivals that are observed by mainstream Christianity that are the perfect example of what they should call legalism!Festivals like Christmas and Easter and observing the Sabbath on their own day rather than the day He sanctified!None of these traditions are in the word of Yahweh but rather came from paganism.All these things are adding to Yahweh's already perfect word. But is legalism also considered focusing too much on obedience rather than salvation? Well ,this is the common accusation... How about if someone said to you....that unless you are walking in obedience to His commandments... (that is..the light and truth He gives us) ..that you do not know Yahshua And if you claimed to know Him ... That you are a LIAR ? Is that focusing too much on obedience? Is that legalism? Let's see what the word of Yahweh says:

1John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Wow, is this legalism?Some would say "yes" if it had come out of another man's mouth and not the scriptures themselves! But we can see here in scripture that it is not legalism. What if a man goes around teaching the commandments of Yahweh and really focuses on them? Is this legalism? Let's see what the word of Yahweh says:

Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Interesting!We can see that those whoever does and teaches even the least of the commandments of Yahweh shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.. Some would say that trying to take a commandment to a certain extreme would be considered 'legalism'. Is this truth? What about our Master Yahshua?

Matthew 5:21 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment::22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Was Yahshua a legalist? He certainly went more into this commandment than was was written by itself He revealed the purpose behind the commandment! How about in this scripture?:

Matthew 5:27 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery::28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I wonder if Yahshua were alive today...would He be called a legalist? Yahshua was not adding to any of the commandments here. He taught that if you hate your brother that it is like you are committing murder in your heart. And He taught that if you lust after a woman, than you have already committed adultery in your heart! Lust and Hate were sins long before not Yahshua came to earth

Exodus 20:17 - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Leviticus 19:18 - Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am YAHWEH.

These aren't 'new commandments' they commandments that were ignored! I think that many people are too concerned about being a legalist and not enough concerned that they are an Illegalist and are ignoring the commandments of Yahweh! Let us hear the words of Yahshua:

Luke 6:46 - And why call ye me, Rabbi, Rabbi, and do not the things which I say?:47 - Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like::48 - He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.:49 - But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

What house do you want to build? Let us build the house on the rock! HalleluYah! It is time that men wake up and walk as Yahshua walked! Let us now examine some scriptures that deal with the importance of obedience. To whom does Yahweh give His Spirit?

Acts 5:32 - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom Elohim hath given to them that obey him.

Now let me tell you that you MUST be obedient to have salvation!Contrary to popular opinion, you are unless you take a step in obedience! Contrary to popular opinion, you LOST are unless you take a step in obedience! We are commanded to "Repent". What does it mean to repent? It means to "to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins". Is this not an act and a work of obedience? If Yahweh tells us to repent and we do it, this is surely an act of obedience. And then we are expected to be baptized:

Acts 2:38 - Then Kepha said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of YAHSHUA the Messiah for the forgiveness of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Now I know also that sometimes we will fail Him

1John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.:10 - If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

1John 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, YAHSHUA the Messiah the righteous.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful to forgive us, HalleluYah! What if we come across something in His word that we have not noticed before and realized that we were not walking in obedience? Should our first step not to stop and pray right at that moment and confess our sin unto Him? I think this is what we should be doing. Even confessing then, is an act of obedience! Let us now examine some more scriptures that deal with the importance of obedience:

Philippians 2:12 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Is this what we often see today? Fear and trembling? What is usually heard is "Ah! He doesn't care that commandment or this commandment!" or "We don't have to do that anymore because (insert excuse here)" Let us walk in His perfect will because we love Yahshua so much that we want to be like Him.But who tries to be like Him? Who walks in the Torah law as He did? Very few Very few observe the Sabbath as He did. Very few keep the feast days as He did Very few wear the tassels as He did

Very few keep the unclean/clean commandments as He did. Very few honor Yahweh's name as He did. Yes, very few show the true love for obedience to His Father as He did!!! He was very picky as to who He would call a brother:

Luke 8:20 - And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.:21 - And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of YAHWEH, and do it.

Look at how devoted to obedience Yahshua was:

Matthew 26:38 - Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.6:39 - And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.:40 - And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Kepha, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?:41 - Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.:42 - He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.:43 - And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.:44 - And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.:45 - Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Yahshua not only obeyed the commandments give to Him. He obeyed them to His death... Even though none were with Him. He asked His disciples to watch with Him.... But they didn't...they fell asleep. :(( Let us awake from OUR slumber and obey the commandments of Father Yahweh!!!!

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21 - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

This is not legalism. This is LOVE!!!! :)))May Yahweh bless you all!!

<Br_Greg> HalleluYah!!!!

<Sis_Mary> (((( Hallelu YAH ! ))))

<YermeYah> HalleluYAH!!

<Tamar> HalleluYAH! :~)

<Tom> halleluyah!!!! :)

<EliYah> Praise Yahweh!!

<humbled> :)

-Tamar Psalms 119:123 - Mine eyes fail for thy salvation, and for the word of thy righteousness.:124 - Deal with thy servant according unto thy mercy, and teach me thy statutes.:135 - Make thy face to shine upon thy servant; and teach me thy statutes.

<Berean> \o/

<EliYah> Are there any questions or comments?

<showr> :)

<humbled> Yes...but I will wait my turn.

<EliYah> Go ahead Humbled...

<humbled> You have the attitude that Yahweh is looking for in an individual. Like a child eager to please his/her parents.

<Sis_Mary> Yes!

<Br_Greg> \o/

<EliYah> It's all in thee Yahweh!!

<Tamar> :)))))

<YermeYah> HalleluYah!

<Berean> \o/

<showr> :)

<YermeYah> \o/

<Br_Greg> \o/

Tamar has a comment

<EliYah> Are there any more comments/questions?

<Berean> comment: accurate definition of legalism, very nicely presented, very clear message

<EliYah> Tamar :)

<Sis_Mary> :)

<Tamar> thank bro EliYah for sharing from His perfect Word, for showing us again, its not His Suggestions, its His command to us..O let us strive to be like Yahshua and obey our Father!

<humbled> I to have that attitude. I keep the Sabbath in a physical sense, I observe the food laws, I sight the New Moon in a physical sense to establish the month...yet, I would ask...how does your righteousness EXCEED that of the Scribes and Pharisees...and how would you exlain the "righteousness" that comes from Yahweh? (I hope I haven't been to long winded) :).

<Berean> exceed, with mercy

<Br_Greg> \o/~

<Berean> a giving attitude

<EliYah> I pray that Yahweh looks down upon me with mercy because I fail at times

<Br_Greg> I have a comment

<EliYah> But Yahweh delivers us...we just need to commit our way to Him

<humbled> Go ahead.

<EliYah> Only in Yahshua am I made righteous

<Berean> \o/

<EliYah> Greg :)

<Br_Greg> Revelations 14:11 - "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.":12 - Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of YAHWEH and the faith of YAHSHUA.

<Br_Greg> Thank You Father for the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

<EliYah> HalleluYah :)

<Tamar> Praise YAHWEH!! :)

<Berean> \o/

<Br_Greg> Also.....

<humbled> According to the physical keeping of Yahweh's Laws, the Scribes and Pharisees couldn't be beat..Paul claimed he was "blameless" as to the keeping of the Law in a physical sense (Phil 3:6), yet he considered that as of less importance when it came to understanding "Spiritual righteousness"...how would you answer him in that?

<Br_Greg> This week YHWH has caused me to be able to make something available to all here who love His COMMANDMENTS....!

<EliYah> I don't think the scribes and pharisees were keeping the law at all, humbled

<EliYah> John 7:19 - Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

<humbled> EliYah, I have spoken at great length to Hasidic Jews of today and they go to great lengths to keep the Law in a physical sense...much more so than most of us.

<Tamar> the scribes and pharisees seemed to put the glory on themselves in my opinion, its I, I, I..as if in themselves they were perfect, that saddens me to see, for to YHWH be the glory!

<Berean> they have their reward

<EliYah> The scribes and pharisees neglected the law

<EliYah> Matthew 23:23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

<EliYah> Some may be surprised to know that judgment, mercy, and faith are all part of His law All of which were ignored by the leaders of that day

<Sis_Mary> judgment?

<YermeYah> justice

<Sis_Mary> :)

<EliYah> Thanks YermeYah :)

<EliYah> Any more comments?

<humbled> EliYah, the weighter matters of the Law they neglected...judgement, mercy, & faith.

<EliYah> Yes

<EliYah> So in reality they didn't observe the law

<humbled> But according to the dot and tittle, they observed the law.

<EliYah> Even though they put their trust in it

<EliYah> It condemned them

<EliYah> They looked at the jot and tittle and neglected the most important

<humbled> So what is important?

<YermeYah> judgement, mercy, & faith.

<YermeYah> It's all important

<EliYah> I believe that we should view the law in such a way as that we realize it is showing us how to love

<humbled> Yes...and that only can be learned from examining the "Spiritual fulfillment of the Law"...not the physical.

<EliYah> That doesn't mean neglect this or that

<Br_Greg> Truth!!!!

<EliYah> Remember what Yahshua said..

<EliYah> Matthew 23:23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

<EliYah> These ought ye to have done,

<EliYah> and not to leave the other undone!

<EliYah> Are there any more questions/comments?

<EliYah> Are there any prayer requests?

<EliYah> (It's getting late :)

<humbled> Yet I keep the physical for what it does teach..and yes, one cannot speak against the physical keeping of the law...yet, Paul was fairly adamant about those who required phyiscal circumcision..."go ahead and emasculate yourself".

<humbled> I'm sorry, it is getting late...go ahead and close.

<EliYah> We can continue after the meeting humbled

<EliYah> Nobody here needs prayer?

<EliYah> :)

<Tamar> umm

<Tamar> I do

<showr> may I ask for help to aid me in understanding the New Book I have...

<EliYah> Yes, certainly :)

<showr> :)

<Tamar> could it be unmentioned?

<EliYah> Yes..

<EliYah> Anyone else?

<Berean> Hosea 6:6 - For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.

<EliYah> HalleluYah...Let us pray to Almighty Yahweh...

<humbled> Here is a verse I like to quote to those who do not want to consider Yahweh's Law (not including present company). +Prov28:9

<EliYah> Heavenly Father Yahweh...Thru your Son Yahshua we come to you today... We thank you for His wonderful example... We Praise You for sending Him.. To show us how to love you... and love one another.. Help us to love one another As He has loved us..so help us Help us to walk as He walked... To live as He lived.. To love as He loved...Continue to lead us into your Kingdom and into your path to eternal life Thank you for allowing us to gather on Your special day Yahweh.. That we might learn of your word...Help us to live what we hear...and walk what we speak.. And we pray that you would be with our dear sister here today, Father..Who has accepted Your Son Yahshua...Help her to understand your word we pray..Lead her by the hand into your promised land... Let us ALL be there on that day..! So that we can worship you and see your face...Praise you Yahweh! We also have an unspoken prayer from Tamar...we ask that you would hear her humble request, Yahweh..We pray these things to you..knowing that you are faithful in hearing your people and that whatever we ask in Yahshua's name...we will receive! And to You we give all praise....and honor... forever. In Yahshua's name we do pray... So let it be, HalleluYah!!

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