Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 12/04/98

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YermeYah - Abba YHWH, we are gathered together tonight in your presence...

YermeYah - Please look down upon us your children with mercy and help us...

YermeYah - open our mind and our hearts to your truth...

YermeYah - please anoint the speaker to edify your people...

YermeYah - please help us to grow in the Ruach and to be fruitful...

YermeYah - We ask that you forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us...

YermeYah - We thank you so very much for Yahushua and His precious blood, and we ask that we be found worthy to be granted eternal life

YermeYah - We pray for all your children, especially those that have special needs

YermeYah - In Yahushua's name...

YermeYah - HalleluYAH

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!
Tonite I would like to talk about something that is going on in the world right now.
And whether or not it is scriptural.
This is a good time of year to have on the armor of Yahweh
And be prepared with His sword, His word to defend His truth
So tonite, I would like to talk about the celebration of Christmas..
This is similar to the study on the website..but with more scriptures and additions
Christmas is a 'tradition'.
It is something that we have inheritied
Sometimes tradition is acceptable and perhaps even pleasing in the sight of Yahweh.
Sometimes it is not acceptable and is hated by Him.
The evil of traditions that transgress the commmandment of Yahweh was a key teaching of Yahshua the Messiah.

Matthew 15:1 - Then came to Yahushua scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

Matthew 15:2 - Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

I hear people ask me this..Why do you transgress the traditions of our elders? for you don't observe the Christmas holiday
My answer would be the same as Yahshua's except I would apply it to Christmas.

Matthew 15:3 - But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of YAHWEH by your tradition?

Surely this is what is taking place with the tradition of Christmas
This was an example of how the scribes and pharisees forsook the commandment of Yahweh in favor of their tradition..
As I will share, Christmas is transgressing the commandment of Yahweh in favor of tradition! What does Yahshua think about this?

Matthew 15:7 - Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,

Matthew 15:8 - This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 - But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Christmas is honoring with the lips but their heart is in materialism and falsehood is VAIN!
Clearly, doctrines and commandments of men is vain worship. Yahweh never commanded it!
There is not a single scripture in the bible that tells us that we are to celebrate the birth nor the resurrection of Yahshua the Messiah. Let alone in a pagan way!
So yes, we must question these traditions that have been handed down to this generation even though few dare to.
Many Christians speak against the Catholic traditions of Lent, Ash Wednesday, etc. but fail to recognize that the same types of pagan festivals exist in the celebration of Christmas and Easter! But how did these festivals get their start?
The following is a quote from my 1991 Encyclopaedia Brittanica, Volume 11 ; page 390.
"During the later periods of Roman history, sun worship gained in importance and ultimately led to what has been called a 'solar monotheism.' Nearly all the gods of the period were possessed of Solar qualities, and both Christ and Mithra acquired the traits of solar deities....
...The feast of Sol and Victus (open unconquered Sun) on December 25th was celebrated with great joy, and eventually this date was taken over by the Christians as Christmas, the birthday of Christ."
The Christians were trying to get more converts. So they adapted a pagan holiday to their worship to appease the pagans in 336 AD
Now I ask..."Who converted who??"
Must we murder to bring a murderer to Yahshua?
Do we rape to bring a rapist to Yahshua?
The answer is that you should never take something that is a total abomination to Yahweh and then try to honor Him with it. He recieves no honor in doing such a thing!!
While the mainstream beliefs were far from the truth the apostles taught, it was still the idolators that taught the christians this custom. We ought to be teaching them!
Christmas means 'mass for christ', but the name of the holiday is much newer than the holiday itself.
The customs associated with christmas, in one form or another, have been celebrated for thousands of years.
'Christmas' is just a new name for an old holiday.
It is historical fact that even though the same festival that is the origin of Christmas was celebrated by pagans during the first 300+ years, it was not celebrated by believers.
The celebration of this holiday was started later. Does this not reek of apostasy?
Why then would a true believer celebrate it today? They should have heeded the scripture:

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of YAHWEH.

There is no doubt that the customs that are associated with christmas are of pagan origin. One must only look to an encyclopaedia or even the local newspaper in December to find this truth. Nearly all modern day preachers and ministers of Christianity admit this fact.
At issue is whether or not we should walk in these customs
So what is so bad about it? Is it just for the children?
Truly, there is no commandment telling us to celebrate Yahshua's birth. In fact, the pagan customs are clearly condemned in the scriptures!
Paganism is something that is against Yahweh. If we know that the roots of christmas are of pagan origin, shouldn't the roots of our worship be in the scriptures, rather than paganism?
December 25th is the birthday of nearly every pagan god ever invented!
Consider the scriptures quoted here that clearly proclaim the keeping of these festivals is sinful.

Jeremiah 10:1 - Hear ye the word which YAHWEH speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

Jeremiah 10:2 - Thus saith YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

"Learn not!"

Jeremiah 10:3 - For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jeremiah 10:4 - They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

The Gentiles were dismayed at the signs of heaven. When the sun began to go furthur away from the earth and the days grew shorter in the winter, the sun worshipping Gentiles feared that the sun would not return.
So they held certain festivals around the time of the Winter Solstice when it did begin to return...hence the birthday of their sun gods. One of the customs was to decorate an evergreen tree that they had cut down and fasten it so that would not topple.
Yahweh tells us not to learn the way of the heathen...let alone practice it ourselves! And here He even describes a custom that is a way of the heathen. Yet, we see this same custom exist even today.
It is called the Christmas tree. In the new testament, learning and walking in the way of the Gentiles is also condemned:

Ephesians 4:17 - This I say, therefore, and testify in YAHWEH, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind,

Ephesians 4:18 - having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of Elohim, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;

Scripture again says we shouldn't be walking as the Gentiles walked. We should be walking as Yahshua walked!!

1John 2:6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Have you ever wondered why in the world someone would do something as strange as cut down a tree and put it in their house and then decorate it with all different types of ornaments?It really is odd if you think about it!!
Not only is it odd, it is pagan. This custom, along with other pagan customs like it are clearly condemned in these scriptures.
Other pagan customs include Mistletoe, the yule log and Santa Claus lie. If you seek, you will find that these things are pagan also.
This time of year, Santa Claus is a god to the children of the world.
The parents purposely lie to the children and tell them that they should fear Santa Claus because "he knows if you've been bad or good".
If they have been bad, they won't get all these wordly gifts. If they are good..they get these gifts
Oddly enough...I see spoiled brats getting gifts no matter what? Anyway... This is clearly a total abomination to Yahweh!
You don't have to look very far in the word of Yahweh to find out how much he loathes idolatry.
Yahweh is the only true Mighty One.
How abominable for a believer to teach their children to fear Santa Claus and creep an idol into the conscience of a child!!
Now it is true that Christmas is a very popular holiday. However, as is often the case, what is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular.
Should we really just follow the 'path of the least resistance'? Surely not! Nearly the entire world celebrates Christmas. If the world did not do this, would you?
Again:
Again:

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of YAHWEH.

It is only when we remove our conformity to this world from our minds that we can "prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of Yahweh"
Now let's take this a step furthur. Not only is it sinful in the eyes of Yahweh to practice these traditions...It is also a sin to take idolatrous traditions of the pagans and apply them to the worship of Yahweh!
Let's take a look into the word of Yahweh to find out how He feels about applying pagan and idolotrous customs to His worship:

Deuteronomy 12:29 - When YAHWEH thy Elohim shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;

(This is Yahweh warning the children of Israel about what NOT to do when going into the promised land)

Deuteronomy 12:30 - Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their elohim, saying, How did these nations serve their elohim? even so will I do likewise.

Not "Let us serve their elohim (gods)"but "HOW did these nations serve their elohim?"

Deuteronomy 12:31 - Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim: for every abomination to YAHWEH, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.

Very CLEAR.
"Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim"!!!
He loathes their traditions! Their roots are from doctrines of demons! The very heart of putting a tree into your house comes directly from those who worship demons!
For instance, when the idolators sacrificed to their gods they were really sacrificing to demons:

1Corinthians 10:19 - What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

1Corinthians 10:20 - But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to Elohim: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

So it is abundantly clear. Do not worship Yahweh in a pagan way!
Do not add to His commandments and do not take away from His commandments
But the traditions we have inherited remove the holy days of Yahweh and add their own 'holidays'!
An abomination..any way you look at it
Both Christmas and Easter take pagan festivals and traditions and apply them to the worship of Yahweh. Scripture clearly condemns this practice.
Would it be right to take a Satanic holiday that Satanists have invented and then apply that holiday to Yahweh's worship?
All paganism is satanism. Satan is behind all pagan worship.
And whatever god the pagans worship, little do they know they are worshipping satan
You cannot mix religions and still remain pure!

1Corinthians 10:21 - Ye cannot drink the cup of YAHWEH, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of YAHWEH's table, and of the table of devils.

Which table will you choose? I hope it is Yahweh's table..
May Yahweh bless you all!

End

YermeYah - HalleluYAH!

Caleb - \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/ \o/ \ő/

Ra`eh - Amen, amen!

Caleb - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================

Ebed - Praise Yahweh!

Saly - HalleluYah!!!!

BrBob - Praise Yahweh!

Caleb - Yahshua: "Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

Hannah - \O/ Praise YHWH

EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?

Ruth - May Yahuweh have mercy on his people.... and deliver them from the deceiver...

Ra`eh - yes,

Ra`eh - I have a question...

Caleb - wouldnt the cutting of the tree also be considered as a sacrifice?

EliYah - hmm...perhaps so, Caleb :)

Ra`eh - we all know, I believe, how the word Lord replaces YHWH in the Bible,

Ra`eh - but, in the New Testement, does it also?

BrBob - Forget the Art Bell show Y'all.....wrong program....

EliYah - Yes

EliYah - Especially when the NT quotes the Old Testament

BrPoet - Yahweh says I change not

Ra`eh - so,

Ra`eh - in the NT,

Ra`eh - in Romans,

Ra`eh - where it says, That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Ra`eh - it really is saying,

Saly - What is a Channukah bush?

Ra`eh - Yahshua is Yahweh, isn't it?

BrBob - WB jtdal

BrPoet - Yashua is the Messiah

BrBob - Lot O disconnects tonight

Hannah - I would not use it as it is close to the tree that is use.Kind of like getting as close as one could to something and not get burned???

BroDavid - uh... a shrub cut down, decked with blue and white tinsel...with 9 candles on the limbs...and a 6 pointed star on top :)

EliYah - BroDavid, I wouldn't do it

BrPoet - I didn't know that

Hannah - Might be like me. I have not kept that day for over 40 years so this was not new to me.

BrBob - +jer 10 3]

BroDavid - i wasn't planning on it :) thanks bro eliyah :)

Ruth - Some say so, including some scholars of Aramaic.... how to know for absolute certainlty is another question...

EliYah - Ra`eh...I believe that it could be possible that Yahweh is in there.

BrBob - +jer 10 3

BrPoet - Hadn't been that long for me Hannah and gald I am no longer

Saly - I had never heard of it before. Still sounds like following the way s of the heathern.

BrBob - =jer 10 4 6

Ra`eh - yes, but if Lord replaces YHWH here, then it says, confess with your mouth, "Yahshua is Yahweh" and believe in your heart that Elohenyu raised him from dead, then you shall be saved,

BrBob - +jer 10 4 6

Hannah - Ah the star.. could it be the star that YHWH said they carried with them in the wilderness and called it their diety? Amos something has mention of it.

Ra`eh - and doesn't ath makes it clear?

Hannah - Jer 3:10 is not the tree. but an idol. like they use in the Catholic churches etc..

EliYah - The Syriac text indicates the name Yahweh was there originally

Ra`eh - also Yahweh says, "I am your saviour, apart from me, there is no other."

BroJaan - We never brought in palm trees though, always fir trees

Ra`eh - I and the Father are one, becomes clear here, doesn't it

CRuth - (Ra'eh, see verse 13.)

Ra`eh - of Romans 9?

BroJaan - I do have a question

BroJaan - WHen was Christ born?

CRuth - yes

EliYah - Ra`eh, I don't believe that they are one entity..but that is another subject :)

BrBob - In the autum of the year

BroJaan - If someone can answer this question I'd be very appreaciative

Ra`eh - right

EliYah - I believe the Messiah was born around the time of the Feast of Tabernacles

Elisheba - HalleluYAH Abba Father thank you for your new truths you show us all!\O/

BroJaan - Can you back that up with bible verses, BrBob, EliYAH?

BrBob - Near the Feast of Tabernacles

CRuth - That's a quote from Joel 2:32

BroJaan - I need bible verses, not just hunches and feelings

Ra`eh - Echad means composite oneness, and Yahweh is Echad

EliYah - Yes, BroJaan but I don't have them right now

CRuth - in Joel it is Yahweh

BrBob - Yes, but it will take a while

BroDavid - uh...bro jaan, check in song of samson 3:5

Ra`eh - we should not be confused

ElderSoto - Ra'eh, Lord in the NT does not always refers Yahweh. The confession of Yahshua's "lordship" in Romans parrallel Acts 2:34-36.

Beverly - tHE FIRST DAY OF tABERNACLES WOULD BE POSSIBLE AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CIRCUMCISED ON THE LAST GREAT DAY,.

BroJaan - Song of Solomon you mean, BroDavid?

Ra`eh - lord, with small letters

BrBob - There are actully 4 proofs that he was not born in winter

Hannah - One looks in the scriptures to see when Johns dad was serving his time in the tabernacle, and count six months later for the birth of the Messiah

BroJaan - Song of Samson, I never heard it, is it near the book Hezekiah?

BroDavid - no, brojaan, actually it was Hezekiah 9:6

DelaYah - h

Saly - Shalom DelaYah! We were missing you!

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CRuth - Ra'eh, small letterw where? In Joel or Romans?

Caleb - Shabbat Shalom DelaYah

BroJaan - It is very difficult to give up Christmas

Ra`eh - I am saying, in modern translations, YHWH is always translated as LORD or Lord, with capitals,

BrBill - Shabbat Shalom ElderSoto from Elder Bill Myerstown Pa.

EliYah - BroJaan, it is not easy to be different

Beverly - But there are so many Blessing when you do give it up

BrBill - Elder Doto are you in NY?

BroJaan - I don't know what's wrong with celebrating his birth

Ra`eh - but lord is distinct, meaning only lord in the common sense

BrBill - Soto

ElderSoto - Shalom, BrBill

BroJaan - Sure, some say he was born in the Fall, others say he was born in the Spring

BrBob - hehe

BrPoet - ooopps

BroJaan - But nobody celebrates his birth in the fall nor the spring

ElderSoto - I'm in St. Thomas

EliYah - BroJaan, it's certain that it was not in the winter

Ruth - which is the main consideration, whether something is difficult of true br Jaan?

Hannah - It is His death we are told to remeber not His birth

ElderSoto - Shalom, Israelite

BroJaan - Well, then I'll celebrate it in the Spring

EliYah - Yahweh's people are different

Hannah - History records the time of the first taxation that His parents went to

BrPoet - Remember the sheep cannot survive in the winter up high

BroJaan - If you can celebrate Passover 3 months early, why not Christmas 3 months early?

EliYah - Do we know of any scripture telling us to celebrate His birthday?

Ra`eh - you can't,

BroJaan - How about take the paganism out of Christmas, and just celebrate his birth

BrPoet - NO!

Ebed - it's dangerous to make up our own holidays, that's what we're trying to avoid

Beverly - You can't celebrate Pasover early

BroJaan - Sure I know there is paganism in Christmas, I don't bring in a tree anymore

Ra`eh - you can only celebrate Passover once, unless you have specific reasons, and then you celebrate it at a later fixed date

Saly - How can you celebrate His birth when you don't know when it is.. No scripture to do so.

YermeYah - Lyla tov all, YHWH bless you, I love you all

Saly - Lyla tov YermeYah!

BrPoet - Shalom yermeYah

EliYah - How about purifying ourselves and being holy unto Yahweh by not letting the 'idea' of celebrating His birth (invented by weak christians) even enter into our heart!

ElderSoto - Ra'eh, the oldest greek codices were written either in all capital letters or in small letters. The capitalization in English versions of "kurious" (lord) is based on context and ideologies.

BrPoet - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{YermeYah}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

BrBill - how about remembering the laying the foundation of the temple on the 9th month which is December EliYah?

EliYah - We shoudn't learn the way of the heathgn

EliYah - (sp) :)

BroDavid - ninth month? in Latin, that is "November"

BrBill - 9th month of Hebrew is December

BrBob - To prove Messiah was born in the autumn, read the third stanza of the Battle Hymn of the Republic

EliYah - Yahweh has already given us His feasts that we should keep

BrBob - hehe

BrBob - In the beauty of the autumn Christ was born across the sea,

Beverly - don't think uyou'll find it.. hehe

EliYah - Are there any prayer requests?

Prayer Service Witheld..

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