11/16/2007 Sabbath Meeting Transcript


"Christmas"


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duane - Heavenly Father Yahweh, we come before Your throne of grace tonight praising Your Name from all over the world.
duane - We thank You dear Father for Your never ending love, and mercy.
duane - We thank You for providing our needs, and for leading us into Your way of righteousness.
duane - Bless each brother and sister here tonight, that they will be edified by Your Word.
duane - We pray that any and all who have special needs be filled.
duane - Bless all who are in the world who are searching for You be filled with Your truth, and wisdom.
duane - Forgive us for our shortcommings and help us to be strong through our trials.
duane - We anxiously await Your coming Kingdom, where everyone's tears shall be dried and every heart will be filled with joy.
duane - We petition You Father in all things, in the wonderful Name of Yahushua ha Mashiach. Amein
duane - HalleluYAH!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!!

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 14:6 - Yahushua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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2Thessalonians 2:9 - Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Thessalonians 2:11 - And for this cause YAHWEH shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Truth?

Or lies?

Which will we love? To which will we cling?

In 2Thess 2:10 it says that we must love the truth, or we will believe a lie.

Are our hearts accustomed to seeking and loving truth?

Are our hearts desensitized to lies?

Do lies seem to be of no significance?

Whether we cleave to truth or lies is very important.

This time of year, the children of this age, from the time they are very small, are taught to believe a lie

We enter a time of year when the children of this age rejoice.

They rejoice that their god, Santa is going to fulfill their covetous desires for the world's goods.

And money, another one of the gods of this world, will be spent in abundance.

We are approaching a time of year when the world fills its buildings with Christmas decorations, their homes and stores with Christmas music, its streets and homes with decorated trees.

And for those of us who do not participate, it can be very oppressive.

What does Yahweh think of these practices?

Has anyone thought to consult Him?

After all, isn't it supposed to be honoring His Son?

As is commonly known, the celebration of Christmas is a 'tradition.'

Christmas is an observance which the men of this generation have inherited from their fathers.

It is something that is celebrated even by some atheists and others who are not a part of the Christian religion.

Interestingly, modern pagans hail it as the time of the winter solstice.

Now sometimes tradition is acceptable and perhaps even pleasing in the sight of Yahweh.

But there are other traditions which clearly transgress the commmandments of Yahweh.

Which might it be in this case?

First, let's understand clearly that the need to reject tradition which transgress Yahweh's commandments was one of the key teachings of Yahushua the Messiah:

Matthew 15:1 - Then came to Yahushua scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

Matthew 15:2 - Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Matthew 15:3 - But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of YAHWEH by your tradition?

Here we see that the people of Yahushua's day were not pleased that Yahushua's disciples "transgressed the tradition of the elders."

And today, many will ask those of us who do not keep Christmas the same question (though with different wording)...Why do you transgress the traditions of our elders?

Our answer could be the same as Yahushua's except we can apply it to Christmas. Why do ye also transgress the commandment of YAHWEH by your tradition??

As we will see, this is exactly what is taking place with the tradition of Christmas.

What did Yahushua say about those who transgress Yahweh's commandments so that they can keep to their traditions?

Matthew 15:7 - Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,

Matthew 15:8 - This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 - But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Brethren, it is quite evident to me that the "Christmas celebration" is honoring with the lips...but its heart is in materialism, falsehood, idolatry and vanity.

You may search from Genesis to Revelation, but you will not find a single scripture in the bible which tells us to celebrate the birth of Yahushua the Messiah.

But today, most who claim to believe in Him do celebrate it, and in a way that imitates idolators!

So yes, we must question these traditions and the origin of these traditions that have been handed down to this generation even though few dare to.

Many Christians will speak against Catholic traditions which have their roots in idolatry, but then fail to recognize that the same types of pagan festivals exist in the celebration of Christmas and Easter.

How did the observance of Christmas get its start?

The following is a quote from the 1991 Encyclopaedia Brittanica, Volume 11 ; page 390...

"During the later periods of Roman history, sun worship gained in importance and ultimately led to what has been called a 'solar monotheism.' Nearly all the gods of the period were possessed of Solar qualities, and both Christ and Mithra acquired the traits of solar deities. The feast of Sol and Victus (open unconquered Sun) on December 25th was celebrated with great joy, and eventually this date was taken over by the Christians"

As you can see, the "feast of Sol and Victus" crept into the Christian faith many years ago. So essentially, Christianity rejected Yahweh's feasts in favor of feasts that were of demonic origin

Notice how it says "both Christ and Mithra acquired the traits of solar deities"?

Do any alarm bells go off here??

It should!

The "Christmas" holi-day is nothing more than a "Christianized" pagan/demonic holiday. It's an attempt to insert the observances and doctrines of demons (idols) into the purity of Yahweh's holy Son.

But they don't mix!!!

The Christians were apparently trying to get more converts so they bascially tried to "paganize" the Messiah to make Him more attractive to pagans. And those who were idol worshipers didn't want to give up their practices/way of life

So the real question is, "Who converted who?"

It appears to me that the Christians were being converted to the world.

But brethren, you can't win the world by imitating the world.

You win the world by imitating Yahushua the Messiah!

The demon worshipers had their way with the Christians and pressured them into accepting their holidays

In truth, satan has been trying to creep his lies into the worship of Yahweh ever since the Garden of Eden.

We need to be far from any practice that he invents or inspires men to invent.

Our children need to be taught purity, truth and the ways of life; not profane things, lies and the things of demons!

1John 5:21 - Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

And so we are to keep ourselves far from idols or from idolatrous practices... not mix them into our worship of Yahweh!

It is true that by 336AD, many of the mainstream beliefs of Christianity were already far from much of the truth the apostles taught. However, true believers should be teaching the unbelievers the true way of Yahweh rather than the unbelievers teaching believers these pagan customs and practices!

Ephesians 5:11 - And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

2Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

1Corinthians 10:14 - Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

We should never take something that is a total abomination to Yahweh and then try to honor Him with it. He recieves no honor in doing such a thing!

But that is what took place when the Christians took over the feast of Sol/Victus. They invented a reason to keep the demonic feast that was in their hearts rather than rejecting the worldly ways.

Therefore, we should not join with those who participate in the celebration of such things.

Often, we as believers will be invited to "Christmas parties" at work or with relatives.

We should have no part with such things, as we should have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, unless we are there to simply expose them.

It is true that today, Christmas is a very popular holiday. However, as is often the case, what is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular.

Christmas means 'mass for christ', but the name of the holiday is much newer than the holiday itself.

The customs associated with christmas, in one form or another, have been celebrated for thousands of years.

It is historical fact that even though the same festival from which Christmas originates was celebrated by pagans during the first 300+ years, it was not celebrated by believers.

But they eventually succumbed to the ways of this world.

If they had only heeded the scriptures, we wouldn't be dealing with this issue today.

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of YAHWEH.

There is no doubt that the customs that are associated with christmas are of pagan origin. One must only look to an encyclopaedia or even the local newspaper in December to find this truth.

Nearly all modern day preachers and ministers of Christianity will admit that its roots are in idolatry, and not the scriptures.

At issue is whether or not we should walk in these customs.

"What is so bad about it?" they say

Is it just for the children?

Many wonder how they could "neglect" their children by letting them be the "oddball" and not permit Christmas celebrations in their home.

To this I say.. What should we be teaching our children? Truth or lies?

Conformity to the world, or a life transformed by the renewing of the mind?

Follow a crowd to do evil, or follow Yahushua the Messiah?

Walking a broad path or a narrow one that few find?

Exodus 23:7 - Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

We need to be "far from a false matter"

The truth is that the Messiah was not born on December 25th.

December 25th is the alleged "birthday" of the sun god(s), not Yahushua the Messiah.

Why would we want to give Yahweh's perfect, holy Son the attributes of an idol?

The scriptures do not tell us when He was even born.

Yahushua surely knew that millions of people would be celebrating His "birthday."

But He gave no date. Does this not show that He didn't care for us to celebrate His birthday?

Rather, we are told to commemorate His death on the day of Passover.

1Corinthians 11:24 - And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

But most of the world ignores the Passover and chooses a demonic holiday that is based on the lie that He was born on Dec. 25th

In scriptures, Yahweh tells us "Learn not the way of the heathen"

Jeremiah 10:2 - Thus saith YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

So He says to not even learn it, let alone practice it and incorporate it into the worship of Yahweh!

It also says that the Gentiles were dismayed at the signs of heaven. What is this about?

History tells us that when the sun began to go further away from the northern hemisphere and the days grew shorter in the winter, the sun worshipping Gentiles were "dismayed", and feared that the sun would not return.

So they held certain festivals just after the time of the Winter Solstice when it did begin to return. This return of the sun is why December 25th is the birthday of so many solar deities.

All the world around them appeared to be dead with the trees losing their leaves and plants ceasing from being green.

One exception to this was the evergreen tree

Jeremiah 10:3 - For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jeremiah 10:4 - They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

A "vain custom" indeed. Remember what Yahushua said about "vain worship"?

Mark 7:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.

Yahweh tells us not to learn the way of the heathen. And here He even goes so far as describe a custom that is a way of the heathen. Today, people cut down a tree and deck it with silver and gold.. fasten it and set it up so it will not topple.

And, as the ancient pagans offered gifts to their idols, today we see a similar custom where people bow down to place "Gifts" under the tree.

All the while, not really knowing why they do what they do.

If nobody else in the entire world practiced this custom today, and one person went out into the forest and set up a "christmas tree" in their house, they would be the laughingstock of the neighborhood

After all, why would someone do something so strange??

This custom, along with other pagan customs like it are clearly condemned in this passage. We don't need a prophet to come and tell us today that this custom is wrong. Jeremiah said so a long time ago!

Other customs include Mistletoe, the Yule log and Santa Claus. If you seek, you will find that these things are rooted in idolatry also.

However, one need not do any research into the idolatrous roots of Santa. Santa Claus already is "God" to the children of the world (move the n to the end of Santa). Others say 'Father Christmas.'

Parents purposely and deliberately lie to their children and tell them that they should fear "Santa Claus" because "he knows if you've been bad or good."

These same parents also lie to their children about the "Easter Bunny" and the "Tooth Fairy". Then they wonder why their children become liars and don't believe the Messiah is real later on in life.

This is clearly a total abomination to Yahweh. You don't have to look very far in the word of Yahweh to find out how much he loathes idolatry and lies. Yahweh is the only true Mighty One.

What they have done is put Santa in the place that only Yahweh belongs. It is Yahweh who is the watcher of men and their morality, and it is Yahweh that has omnipresence.

Why would we teach our children that it is "Santa Claus" who knows if we have been 'naughty or nice'? And that it's Santa Claus who is omnipresent and knows when you are sleeping or awake?

Our children look to us and believe every word we say. Do they not deserve the truth?

Yes.

Brethren, I say to you that ot is an absolute abomination to Yahweh for any believer to teach their children to fear Santa Claus--and in so doing--creep an idol into the conscience of a child!

Matthew 18:6 - But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

People of this world, take away the stumbling block! You have been warned!!

Lies, lies everything is lies :(

The very foundation of the Christmas holiday is a lie

The Messiah was not born December 25th.

He did not ask us to celebrate his birthday.

He did not say to set up a tree in our house and decorate it and our houses with anything.

Santa Claus does not exist.

He doesn't have reindeer that fly and he isn't going to come on December 25th and leave any gifts. It is a waste of time to leave cookies because he will not be coming down anyone's chimney. It's a lie!

Revelation 22:14 - Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:15 - But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

But we know that most of the world will love and practice lies. The whole holiday is a lie, so the world loves it!

But is Yahweh the originator of this holiday? Or is it the father of lies?

Yahushua condemned the leaders of that generation for their "traditions of men" and for cleaving to lies:

John 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:45 - And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Yahushua speaks the truth.

The adversary speaks lies, and inspires others to speak them.

"You shall not surely die!" satan said. A liar from the beginning indeed.

We need to love the truth and beware of lies, O people of Yahweh!

Jeremiah 16:19 - O YAHWEH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

This needs to be confessed to Yahweh

Let's cleave to the truth and call on His name

Jeremiah 16:20 - Shall a man make elohim unto himself, and they are no elohim?

Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YAHWEH.

It is time that we know this!

For those who admit that we have inherited lies and vanity, Yahweh makes a promise saying that He will reveal His name, His power and His might

David said:

Psalms 101:7 - He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.

Like David, we should not have any part of lies.. they are from the father of lies. We should keep ourselves from idols and keep ourselves from every false matter.

The "little lies" are in many ways the most dangerous. It is the "Truth mixed with lies" that is downright deadly.

Of course, the world will naturally follow lies

The book of Revelation predicts that those who hate Yahweh will be glad when the two witnesses of Yahweh die, for they will make merry and have a gift exchange.

Revelation 11:9 - Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.

Revelation 11:10 - And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

Sound familiar?

As I shared a while ago, the pagan practices of Christmas are also creeping into the Hanukah holiday.

Now there are gift exchanges and even a "Hanukkah bush"

But Yahweh says:

Deuteronomy 12:29 - When YAHWEH thy Elohim shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;

Notice now.. Yahweh's people are about to be brought into a land where there are idol worshipers.

Deuteronomy 12:30 - Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their elohim, saying, How did these nations serve their elohim? even so will I do likewise.

Deuteronomy 12:31 - Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim: for every abomination to YAHWEH, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Very CLEAR, yes?

"Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim:" <---- Yes, it is abundantly clear.

Do not worship Yahweh in that way, the way of the heathen!

Do not add to His commandments and do not take away from His commandments.

Both Christmas and Easter take pagan festivals and traditions and apply them to the worship of Yahweh. This is clearly condemned here

Scripture says we shouldn't be walking as the Gentiles walked. We should be walking as Yahushua walked!

1John 2:6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Would it be right to take a Satanic holiday that Satanists have invented and then incorporate that holiday into the worship of Yahweh? Surely not.

Yet, the truth is: All paganism is Satanism. Satan is behind all pagan worship. And whatever god the idolaters worship, they are actually worshipping Satan.

1Corinthians 10:20 - But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to Elohim: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

In the above verse, we see that the Gentiles who worshiped idols were actually unknowingly worshiping the Devil and sacrificing to him.

But it is very obvious from scripture that you cannot mix the doctrines and practices of satan worship into the worship of Yahweh and still remain pure!

We need to return to the pure faith that was once delivered to the saints in the first century by Yahushua Himself! They had no part with such things.

So let's set aside all these vain, satanic, syncretic, "religion mixing" traditions.

Let's set aside our desire to please man and let's be willing to be fools in the eyes of the world for the Messiah's sake.

And let's set aside any and all desire to conform to the world!

Rather, let's conform ourselves to the image of Yahushua the Messiah.. who is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.

Let's conform ourselves to the TRUE observances found in scripture.. the ones He observed!

For there is no doubt that He not only hates the way of the heathen, but he really hates them being applied to HIM

1Corinthians 10:21 - Ye cannot drink the cup of YAHWEH, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of YAHWEH's table, and of the table of devils.

Let's cease from the mixing of cups & tables....

Let's return the the way of LIFE, and Righteousness...

peace and TRUTH...

Removing ourselves from every false matter...

Fleeing from idolatry...

Refusing conformity to the world...

And embracing the ways of truth.

Yahweh already has His Holy Days.

We don't need the world's unholi-days.

Let's have no part with lies.. let's have our part with Yahweh!

Which table will you choose?

Which cup will you drink?

May Yahweh be your choice.. from this time forth.. and forevermore!

And may Yahweh bless you as you do so and may He have mercy on us all!

End


choosenam - yup
SamW - Praise YHWH!! \o/ \o/
yoseph - HalleluYAH!!!!!!!!
YahSavedMe - Awesome study! Praise Yah!
bluesun - halleluYah.. YHWH's way or the Highway! :)
Miryam - Praise Yahweh!!!!
Shachar - Amein HalleluYAH
YahSavedMe - Truth feels...so...CLEAN....*smile
CalledbyYah - Yahs word is everlasting and it cannot be conformed its man that chqnges
Yohanan - Good study Eliyah
Shachar - This is a great study to share when people ask me "why don't you celebrate christmas"?
CalledbyYah - anyone from tx
MikaEl - only in my heart
BlessedToBeFree - Thank You EliYAH
akhikhem - HalleluYAHWEH!!! Yah Is Truth - Thank You Yah for Your Word and Your Set-Apart Name!
Shachar - direct and to the point
Shachar - Praise YAHWEH
akhikhem - !ps 117 1 2
EliYah - Blessed be Yahweh
Samuel_Arrow - I liked the study. I did not feel that any point was missed that I felt wanting to add.
Yasdnilkov - +Hebrews 4:12
Kara - HalleluYah
AbiYAH_Selah__Gabe_Sady - HALLELUYAH!!!
chosen - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
Yohanan - Yes we are bless to have Yahweh as our Father
chosen - Praise YAHUAH!!
chosen - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
AbiYAH_Selah__Gabe_Sady - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{SAMW}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}]]
Shachar - It is solid truth
CalledbyYah - i guess not
chosen - Shabbat Shalom! sharif!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chosen - ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((sharif))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Sharif - wut up yall
choosenam - <-- not from tx
Marme - Thank you for the new things we just learned
Sharif - yay, chosen
CalledbyYah - good deal choose
chosen - yeay!!! sharif
Yasdnilkov - EliYah, thank you for the message.
EliYah - HalleluYah
AbiYAH_Selah__Gabe_Sady - HalleluYAH Marme
Yasdnilkov - HalleluYah.
AbiYAH_Selah__Gabe_Sady - it is good to learn
CalledbyYah - it is also good to share
Shachar - it is good to love
yahusephandKolDebash - Halleluyah
yahusephandKolDebash - clear lesson
CalledbyYah - with those who are lost
bluesun - some people are ready to receive... others are not, but what is shared in here can be as seed... people who love His truth will be drawn to it
Remnant - amein and thanks and praise and joy be unto YAH may we all rejoice at the hearing reading and the teaching of YAHs word
CalledbyYah - my sheep will heqr my voice
AbiYAH_Selah__Gabe_Sady - da da da da da da da da "PRAISE YAHWEH"
yahusephandKolDebash - maybe we should all print it, make coipies,, and mail it to christian pastors
Shachar - deep down inside, most know the lie
choosenam - deep down inside, most know the lie .... true
BlessedToBeFree - Man, that AbiYah has got some lungs, you hear that Shorfar in the distance?
chosen - they dont care, shachar
Victory - question: is it okay to celebrate it at any time of the year?
Shachar - I like that YAHusephandKolDebash
Remnant - even to our own for many hold to traditions not of YAHs word :(
CalledbyYah - the Father reveals his truth to mankind its those who reject his word
AbiYAH_Selah__Gabe_Sady - LOL
Samuel_Arrow - I feel encouraged to make a stand to avoid "Christmas" celebrations with firm conviction, rather than letting myself be pressured into passive participation with only some mild complaints about the problems with it, as I have done in the past.
chosen - i put a lot of the truth about unhalloween articles all around my neighborhood
chosen - and not one person stopped doing it
yahusephandKolDebash - someone responded to me, bout the verses in deut,,,that that only means dont sacrifice children like the pagans did..
Remnant - blessed to not have any of these.
CalledbyYah - the seed was planted chosen
chosen - yeah,
chosen - what kinda soil i am not gonna speculate upon
CalledbyYah - that will be a witness against them
CalledbyYah - you are being led and no matter what cintinue'
Im4YAH2 - just curious what do you all do or say when someone says "happy holidays" to you.
CalledbyYah - i correct them
CalledbyYah - every opportunity is a good 1
Shachar - keep walking the Walk of YAHushua
Im4YAH2 - yes, but often it is about a 10 sec. oppourtunity...I have been "searching" for a quick yet kind response to help them think it through. KWIM
CalledbyYah - if they are bold enough to push their beliefs on me, i am bold enough to share mine
yoseph - I think I will say "May YAHWEH bless you and lead you into all TRUTH" when greeted
bluesun - the Christmas day is an opportunity for us to show allegiance to YHWH
Im4YAH2 - I like that Yoseph that is the type of thing I was trying to come up with.
Im4YAH2 - subtle yet kind
yoseph - then they will say "YAHWEH?"
Shachar - ask them which holiday they are referring to and what is so happy about going into debt
Yasdnilkov - Kindness begets kindness.
Sharif - oh yeah, we're not down with Saturnalia, right?
CalledbyYah - I have one question. you prayed for them but whats next?
chosen - no, sharif, its pagan
chosen - i usually just say we dont do it
sheepmommy - my children do the witnessing for me
Sharif - oh come on, wheres your christmas spirit?
Samuel_Arrow - Where is the source text for the tradition of Hannukah?
Shachar - i say I don't celebrate and most don't ask why

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