Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 11/05/99


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decrease - Yes, EliYah!
BrTom - Almighty Father, we come before you in the name of your son Yahshua and ask for the sake of his sacrifice that you forgive our sin and our uncleanness and hear our prayer.
BrTom - Father, we ask your presence with us this evening.
BrTom - Please send your spirit to teach us all we need to know.
BrTom - To guide us into YOUR truth
BrTom - Father, also please place your spirit in the speaker tonight that the words may be yours...
BrTom - entirely according to your will.
BrTom - We thank you and praise you for all the blessings you shower down on us..
BrTom - our families, our brethren in the congregations..
BrTom - our jobs and the many physical things you grant us.
BrTom - May they hold the right place in our lives and may we always remember that it is you who gives them to us.
BrTom - Father, thank you for those who gather here. Please bless each one.
BrTom - Good Sabbath, Abba.
BrTom - In Yahshua's name we ask these things.
BrTom - HalleluYAH

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!

Tonite I would like to share something I have shared before, but I believe to be a quite important conviction. I would like to share what the scriptures have to say about "Complaining/Grumbling/Murmuring against Yahweh"

Perhaps often times we do not realize it when we follow the example of the Israelites in the wilderness on their way to the promised land

The Israelites trek into the land flowing with milk and honey is symbolic of our own journey to the promised land when Yahshua returns for His people

They were called out of bondage (Egypt), led by the Spirit into a time of trial and testing and were eventually led into the Promised land

We too were called out of bondage (sin), and are being led into righteousness and trials and testings by the Spirit of Yahweh Most High

And we, if we endure will eventually be led into the kingdom of Yahweh.. by a man named Yahushua..the Messiah!

Let's consider our walk.. Are we like the Israelites? Do we complain about our daily circumstances?

Do we complain not only behind closed doors but also publicly for all to hear, even unbelievers?

Let's examine what Yahweh did to the children of Israel as a result of their murmurings:

Numbers 11:1 - And when the people complained, it displeased YAHWEH: and YAHWEH heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of YAHWEH burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

As we can see, complaining is DEFINITELY not something that is pleasing to Yahweh. Complaining is often due to a lack of faith:

Numbers 13:30 - And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.

Numbers 13:31 - But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

Numbers 13:32 - And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Numbers 13:33 - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Numbers 14:1 - And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night.

Numbers 14:2 - And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron: and the whole congregation said unto them, Would Elohim that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would Elohim we had died in this wilderness!

Numbers 14:3 - And wherefore hath YAHWEH brought us unto this land, to fall by the sword, that our wives and our children should be a prey? were it not better for us to return into Egypt?

Numbers 14:4 - And they said one to another, Let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt.

Now after the Israelites tried to stone Moshe, Moshe's (Moses') supplication and prayer to Yahweh to pardon the sins of this people rather than totally consume them all at that point and make a great nation of Moshe was heard by Yahweh.

Numbers 14:27 - How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me.

Numbers 14:28 - Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith YAHWEH, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you:

Numbers 14:29 - Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,

Brothers and sisters, do we realize the magnitude of this example??!!

It was for the reason of complaining that Yahweh was going to totally destroy Israel ...

And it was for the reason of murmuring, grumbling, and complaining that Yahweh did NOT allow the children of Israel to enter the promised land!!

Does Yahweh change in this day and age?

Romans 9:20 - Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against YAHWEH? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Romans 9:21 - Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

He certainly feels the same way about it now as He did then and lest we repent each time we find ourselves complaining about our circumstances, WE TOO could be rejected by Yahweh from entering His kingdom

The implications are enormous.

I believe there is too much of this going on in the body of Messiah and we need to repent!

It is also time that all brothers and sisters stop complaining about one another

James 5:7 - Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Master. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain.

James 5:8 - You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Master is at hand.

James 5:9 - Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!

It is also time that the wives stop murmuring against their husbands and the husbands stop complaining about their wives

It is particularly wicked in Yahweh's eyes for a wife to complain about her husband or a circumstance that she thinks that her husband has created.

As Solomon noted, this is a very common situation for a wife to be contentious

Proverbs 21:19 - It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

But Yahweh has placed the husbands in the position of authority over the wives, not unlike Yahweh placed Moshe in the position of authority over the children of Israel.

In every case that the children of Israel spoke against Moshe, Yahweh viewed it as murmuring against Him

Now let's examine what took place to the children of Israel who spoke against one in authority over them:

Numbers 16:1 - Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:

Numbers 16:2 - And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

Numbers 16:3 - And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against _aron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and YAHWEH is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of YAHWEH?

Numbers 16:4 - And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face:

And what did Yahweh later do with those that stood up against Moshe?

Numbers 16:31 - And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:

Numbers 16:32 - And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.

Numbers 16:33 - They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

You would think that people would repent at this event?

But we read later that..

Numbers 16:41 - But on the morrow all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron, saying, Ye have killed the people of YAHWEH.

Numbers 16:42 - And it came to pass, when the congregation was gathered against Moses and against Aaron, that they looked toward the tabernacle of the congregation: and, behold, the cloud covered it, and the glory of YAHWEH appeared.

It's amazing really

So the children of Israel were to respect Moshe's authority as unto Yahweh and not murmur or complain against him.

This does not mean that Moshe was Yahweh but it does mean that any authority that is from Yahweh is to be obeyed and respected as unto Yahweh:

Ephesians 5:22 - Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to YAHWEH.

Therefore, the principles of authority is the same. This does not mean that the husband is greater than the wife in any way, shape or form.

But it does mean that every husband and every wife has a certain role to fulfill before Yahweh. And there should be none of this grumbling and complaining by any spouse concerning what duty Yahweh has given us!

This goes for the husband as well as the wife. We should not despise our duty unto Yahweh, lest we fall into the same condemnation as the children of Israel who did not respect their duty, but sought to exalt themselves over their authority.

I know I may receive persecution for these statements but the women's lib. movement does not change the clear teaching of scripture!

Now let's examine what a righteous man will do when enduring circumstances that seem unfair or unwarranted:

Joseph was a righteous man. Though he did no wrong, he was sold as a slave by his own brethren.

He could have spent the rest of his life complaining about his circumstances, but what did he do?

Genesis 37:28 - Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt.

Genesis 39:1 - And Joseph was brought down to Egypt; and Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard, an Egyptian, bought him of the hands of the Ishmeelites, which had brought him down thither.

He made the best of his circumstance and for that he was blessed:

Genesis 39:4 - And Joseph found favor in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.

After this he was unfairly thrown into prison:

Genesis 39:17 - And she spake unto him according to these words, saying, The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us, came in unto me to mock me:

Genesis 39:18 - And it came to pass, as I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled out.

Genesis 39:19 - And it came to pass, when his master heard the words of his wife, which she spake unto him, saying, After this manner did thy servant to me; that his wrath was kindled.

Genesis 39:20 - And Joseph's master took him, and put him into the prison, a place where the king's prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison.

Yet for all this and Joseph did not murmur nor complain:

Genesis 39:21 - But YAHWEH was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him favour in the sight of the keeper of the prison.

After this, Yahweh gave Joseph the interpretation of 2 dreams that the servants of Pharoah had and it was 2 years before anyone knew of it.

But Joseph bided his time and committed himself to Him who judges righteously and finally Yahweh delivered him and made him 2nd in command over all Egypt!

If only we as children of Yahweh could follow that same example!

Now let's examine a key difference between 12 disciples of Yahshua and all the others whom Yahshua did not choose:

Luke 5:30 - But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?

Luke 5:31 - And Yahushua answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Luke 15:2 - And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

Luke 19:7 - And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

John 6:41 - The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

As we can see, those who were blinded in unbelief were the murmurers. But the true disciples did not murmur:

John 6:57 - As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 6:58 - This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

John 6:59 - These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

John 6:60 - Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

John 6:61 - When Yahushua knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

John 6:62 - What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

John 6:63 - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 6:64 - But there are some of you that believe not. For Yahushua knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

John 6:65 - And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 6:66 - From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

John 6:67 - Then said Yahushua unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

They trusted

John 6:68 - Then Simon Kepha answered him, Rabbi, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Somebody please show me one example of Yahshua complaining about HIS circumstances!!?

Yahshua did not complain!!

Yet, one might say that He had every right to! He was perfect and sinless before Yahweh yet He was marred more than any man and He was tortured, hung and killed by his enemies, betrayed by his friends.

Brothers and sisters, I would like to say that I believe whatever situation you are in, it is ordained by Yahweh!

HalleluYAH!

Philippians 2:12 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Philippians 2:13 - For it is YAHWEH which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

"all things"!!

Philippians 2:15 - That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of YAHWEH, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Philippians 2:16 - Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of the Messiah, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

Will our journey to the promised land come to end in the following fashion?:

Numbers 11:1 - And when the people complained, it displeased YAHWEH: and YAHWEH heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of YAHWEH burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

Numbers 14:22 - Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

Numbers 14:23 - Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

Numbers 15:31 - Because he hath despised the word of YAHWEH, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

Numbers 16:31 - And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:

Or will we learn from their example?

1Corinthians 10:8 - Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

1Corinthians 10:9 - Neither let us tempt the Messiah, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

1Corinthians 10:10 - Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

1Corinthians 10:11 - Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

and again:

Psalms 106:21 - They forgat El their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt;

Has Yahweh not done great things in our lives?

Let's not forget!

Psalms 106:22 - Wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red sea.

Psalms 106:23 - Therefore he said that he would destroy them, had not Moses his chosen stood before him in the breach, to turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them.

Psalms 106:24 - Yea, they despised the pleasant land, they believed not his word:

Psalms 106:25 - But murmured in their tents, and hearkened not unto the voice of YAHWEH.

Psalms 106:26 - Therefore he lifted up his hand against them, to overthrow them in the wilderness:

Psalms 106:27 - To overthrow their seed also among the nations, and to scatter them in the lands.

We surely should not be among the Complainers, Grumblers, Murmurers against Yahweh!

It is particularly wicked to complain about Yahweh's chastening:

Lamentations 3:37 - Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when YAHWEH commandeth it not?

Lamentations 3:38 - Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Lamentations 3:39 - Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

Lamentations 3:40 - Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to YAHWEH.

Surely, we must not complain..but search and try our ways to see if they are righteous.

And then repent and turn again to Yahweh!

So what shall we do next time some difficult circumstance should befall us? Certainly it is not an evil thing to pray for Yahweh to deliver us. This is what we are supposed to do.

Psalms 50:15 - And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

Along with prayer, I believe the best thing for us to do is....

"PRAISE YAHWEH!"

Give Him the praise no matter what life's trials might be

Yahweh often tests us to see if we will still serve Him and praise Him when in an unpleasant situation.

We must endure brethren! I pray that we all do

Let's heed the words of the psalmist

Psalms 146:1 - Praise ye YAHWEH. Praise YAHWEH, O my soul.

Psalms 146:2 - While I live will I praise YAHWEH: I will sing praises unto my Elohim while I have any being.

Psalms 146:3 - Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Psalms 146:4 - His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Psalms 146:5 - Joyful is he that hath the El of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in YAHWEH his Elohim:

Psalms 146:6 - Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:

Psalms 146:7 - Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. YAHWEH looseth the prisoners:

Psalms 146:8 - YAHWEH openeth the eyes of the blind: YAHWEH raiseth them that are bowed down: YAHWEH loveth the righteous:

Psalms 146:9 - YAHWEH preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.

Psalms 146:10 - YAHWEH shall reign for ever, even thy Elohim, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye YAHWEH.

Yahweh shall reign over all things.

Therefore let us put our hope and trust in Him that He is leading us in that direction...no matter what are circumstances may be

Proverbs 3:5 - Trust in YAHWEH with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Proverbs 3:6 - In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

And with that, I will close. May Yahweh bless you all!

End


Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
DelaYah - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/
DelaYah - Let every thing that hath breath praise YHWH. HalleluYAH.
BrBob - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================
Tessy62 - Halleluyah
deemike - praise THE FATHER
char - praise Yahweh
DelaYah - Thank You Father!!!!!!!
brmark1 - HalleluYAHWEH
Lonesome - HalleluYAHU! Yahweh be Magnified!
BrTom - HalleluYAH
BrBill_Angel - HalleluYah!
char - thank you Father
BuzzYah1 - praise the Father Yahweh
JosLydia - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/HALLELUYAH\O/\O/\O/
Tessy62 - Praise yahweh
Ekklesia1 - Praise yahweh All ways
COL - HalleluYAH..!! And everybody said...AMEN
Solomon - Thanks for the website on the Letter J. Shalom
BrTom - All things work together for good to them that LOVE YAHWEH!
char - HalleluYah HalleluYah HalleluYah
Seeker48 - praise El Shadai
william - Praise be to our King YAHVEH
DelaYah - sweet as honey!!!
noah1 - halleluyah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?
Dorota - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================
Ekklesia1 - are there any brothers or sisters in Yahweh from Pa. Im looking for someone nearby to worship with
Lonesome - Ekk....where in PA?
Lonesome - I know some in PA
deemike - love that baby
EliYah - There are a lot in PA
DelaYah - I know some in Pa...
Ekklesia1 - south east outside phila
DelaYah - there are a lot in Pa
COL - your next door neighbor....hehehe
Lonesome - oh thats too far.
Lonesome - these are in Erie
COL - Hi Seeker48 !! :-)
DelaYah - BrBill and Angel are from Pa
Dorota - Shalom every one, leila tove, have a good night
Ryan - HI all.
EliYah - (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Dorota)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Lonesome - hi Ryan!
char - I know Yahweh is training me in the way i should go thankyou Yahweh
Keith - Shabbat Shalom all.
Dorota - I am tired tonight
Seeker48 - hello there Col
BrTom - Frystown PA is suitable for every few months.
Tessy62 - Shabbat Shalom.
Dorota - Yahweh bless you and keep you......
deemike - hello Ryan
noah1 - hey is there anyone here from indiana
COL - *singing* Shabbat Shalom, Shabbat Shalom, Shabbat Shalom
Ryan - Hi Lonesome, deemike.
DelaYah - Lyla Tov Dorota
DelaYah - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Dorota }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Tessy62 - im from kentucky
DelaYah - Shabbat Shalom Dorota
Seeker48 - very curious about the site about the letter J, can nyofill me in
BrTom - Ft Wayne here
Dorota - Lyla TOv
Lonesome - whats up with you tonight Ryan?
noah1 - I am from southern IN
BrTom - Where are you Noah
Tessy62 - letter J?
DelaYah - noah1 BRTom is from indiana
Ryan - Not too much, just got my "power system' computer going.
Lonesome - cool Ryan
char - Yahweh bless you EliYah and the message
Ryan - How about you?
COL - I'm from Colorada. Anyone near by???
Lonesome - not much here either. Getting ready for bed.
BrTom - Yopu can find the missing J at yaim.org
COL - opps..Colorado sorry
Keith - I got here late, how was the sermon?
Keith - What was it on?
Lonesome - murmuring against YAhweh
noah1 - Needing fellowship. Do you have a church?
DelaYah - www.yaim.org
Lonesome - and complaining.
BuzzYah1 - How about Tacoma, Wa.
EliYah - Warnings in the scripture for us to be thankful and not complain
Tessy62 - and getting fatheaded.
Seeker48 - thanks muchly Br. Tom
Keith - we all need to be thankful.
Keith - Eliyah guess what?
LouieLoui - You can find the Missing "J" at YNCA.COM or YRM.COM I believe also.
EliYah - yes, Keith?
BrTom - Noah, Ft Wayne is a long way but you are welcome.
Keith - My wife and I were painting the kitchen this week
COL - I enjoyed the message very much tonight. Thank you. It's my first time here.
Lonesome - its YRM.org
EliYah - Glad that you could join us CO
EliYah - COL
Lonesome - not com
DelaYah - Welcome to #1MESSIAH COL
DelaYah - Shabbat Shalom COL
Tessy62 - i'll look.
Keith - and we noticed a Messianic fellowship advertised in a paper we borrowed from a neighbor
LouieLoui - Who is asking about Tacoma, Washington? I am and other Yahwist's are in that area.
DelaYah - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ BrBob }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
noah1 - you have a church?I have trouble finding any like beleivers down here
EliYah - Where is it at?
deemike - rocky mountain hello
Keith - we just got home from their Sabbath worship
char - shalom be back later
BrBob - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ DelaYah }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Lonesome - Shalom all.
COL - LOL...hello deemike
Lonesome - Time for bed.
Keith - as you may remember we have been really missing fellowship
Keith - it was pretty good
BrBob - ...G.....O.....O.....D... Lonesome ...N.....I.....T.....E...
EliYah - Yes, HalleluYah!!!!!!
Keith - in Concord NH
JosLydia - Layla Tov lehitraot veryone!
Seeker48 - no groups in Edmonton, Alberta neither
EliYah - Awesome!
Keith - about 20 minutes form us
EliYah - WOW!
DelaYah - Lyla Tov JosLydia
Lonesome - Eliyah, please add me to the prayer list I am sick.
Lonesome - Shalom
DelaYah - Shabbat Shalom JosLydia
EliYah - Yes
Tessy62 - there are some in Canada but they re deaf.
deemike - are me and dee the only colorado folks
Keith - They don't seem to know about the name though..: (
Keith - yet they don't mind us using it.
COL - I am from Colorado. I'm on the Western slope. Were are you???
EliYah - That's good
deemike - calhan
BrTom - There are some in CO
Keith - Maybe Yah brought us all together for a reason
deemike - 30 miles east of colorado springs
Keith - was hard with the little guy though
Tessy62 - Colorado is beautiful
EliYah - It will be good for him
Keith - Too late.
COL - deemike.....I'm over the mtns from ya. *waving*
Keith - we just got home
Keith - he was fried
EliYah - :)
deemike - waving back at ya brother or sister
Keith - How are your girls?
EliYah - me?
Tessy62 - Yahweh is supposed to be a loving God..why the anger?
Keith - yeah, referring to the spider bites
COL - I'm a sis
EliYah - Ahh, they are just fine...blessed with Yahweh's healing
deemike - cool
Keith - AMEN
deemike - i am mike my wife is dee
DelaYah - Welcome to #1MESSIAH cerl
deemike - she and me are interchangeable
Keith - I was reading an article in Field and Stream about those spiders...nasty
cerl - thank you
EliYah - They can be
COL - Shalom Mike and Dee. Pleasure to meet you......ALL of you this evening.
cerl - what was the message tonight?
deemike - have you been here before?
DelaYah - nice to meet you too COL
cerl - once
deemike - COL
Tessy62 - no one answered by question :)
Tessy62 - my
deemike - about anger
Tessy62 - yep\
deemike - T62
decrease - finally I am here I got messed up with computer LOL.
deemike - what makes you think that HE is angry
EliYah - There is a righteous anger
COL - my first time listening to the Friday message
cerl - where to DelaYah
EliYah - Yahshua had it when turning over the tables of the money changers
deemike - ok COL
DelaYah - +exo 20 5
DelaYah - Exodus 20:5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I YHWH thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
DelaYah - Exodus 20:5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I YHWH thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Tessy62 - yep. im wondering because he also talks about forgiveness
DelaYah - for I YHWH thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
EliYah - Toward those who serve Him with a whole heart, He shows mercy
DelaYah - Joshua 24:19 - And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve YHWH: for he [is] an holy Elohim; he [is] a jealous Elohim; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
DelaYah - Joshua 24:20 - If ye forsake YHWH, and serve strange elohim, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
EliYah - but to those who rebel against Him, he rebukes..that they might repent
deemike - brb
EliYah - Even that is a loving thing for Him to do
decrease - Tessy, what was you talk about that I missed it?
EliYah - It would be worse if He let sin have free reign
Tessy62 - i never thought of Yahweh as a jealous being.
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:26 - I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:27 - When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:28 - Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
EliYah - He deserves all the praise
EliYah - and worship
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:29 - For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of YHWH:
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:30 - They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Tessy62 - Bible describes him as a loving God and in couple of verses he shows anger..its kinda conflicting., Greg
EliYah - It is wrong to apply it to another
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:31 - Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:32 - For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
DelaYah - Proverbs 1:33 - But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
DelaYah - But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
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BrBob - Yahweh is in fact jealous, especially when it comes to false worship.
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Tessy62 - say the verse again
decrease - yes, there are few verses describes Yahweh as jealous Eloah
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Tessy62 - i wrote down the verses.
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Tessy62 - what exactly is a graven image?
BrBob - Carved
DelaYah - Welcome back char
decrease - it is like idol, Tessy.
char - shalom
BrBob - Like a statue
char - have they had prayer yet
Ekklesia1 - well goodnight to all and thanks for the help/ Praise Yahweh
Tessy62 - what about crosses in churches, statues in catholic churches?
flick - does it have to be carved or just made by man ?
DelaYah - graven......6459. pecel, peh'-sel; from H6458; an idol:--carved (graven) image.
BrBob - Yeah, Tessy
Tessy62 - those are wrong too?
Schmuel - yep they are graven images
decrease - yeah there are many relics, statue of Mary, etc in Catholic churches.
DelaYah - very wrong!
deemike - what if i carved a bear out of wood and sold it for a way to make my food
Tessy62 - gee.
BrBob - No problem with that
Tessy62 - as long u dont worship it right?
BrBob - Unless you worship the bear
Schmuel - or the food
claudia - deemike.....I think it is something you bow the knee to or worship
deemike - that is what i think also
Tessy62 - thats chilling. i bet people dont think about it..even crosses are wrong?
claudia - whether graven by man or a natural object, like a volcano....
BrTom - If you like this you'll be at home there, I think.
BrBob - Most don't care
BrTom - Sorry
Tessy62 - wow. u dont have any of that in ur churches?
decrease - The bible cleared that the word 'cross' should be 'stake'
Tessy62 - it makes one think.
claudia - staros
claudia - stake
BrBob - You should do a search on religious symboism
BrBob - You will be amazed
decrease - you can check at Strong's concordance under 'cross'
Tessy62 - what about necklaces?
BrBob - Wait till you find out what the Washington Monument is
claudia - please replay the commandment citation regarding graven images or idols
Tessy62 - okay i will
deemike - i have some glass bears that my son gave me when he was a little boy
BrBob - +deut 5 6 8
Tessy62 - freeze for a sec im trying to copy it
BrTom - The glass bears are OK
claudia - Aha...no other elohim before me and make no graven image in ANY likeness
deemike - i thought so ,but was told by others here that thy were not good.
Tessy62 - im saving it in A: is that ok?
decrease - there are part of hobby and it is hardly to separate it but let Ruach guide beliievers.
Tessy62 - what is Ruach?
decrease - Spirit, Tessy
BrBob - Ruach = Spirit
EliYah - Are we ready for prayer requests?
Tessy62 - oh ok.

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