"EliYah" Well, I suppose we should begin
the meeting :)
"EliYah" Jerry, would you offer prayer for
us to begin
the meeting?
"UzulYao" is that United ch_rch of G_d
bblman?
"Qumran_Bet" I'll be happy to. :) --Br. J
"Obadiah" yes
"Qumran_Bet" Our Dear Father in Heaven,
"Qumran_Bet" Guide our group tonight into
understanding of the deep things as well as things not as
dynamic.
We hope your spirit will give us insight so that we may become
one with you as we become one with
each other. In these critical times our unity is essential. May
we unify in truth. Allow us the humility to understand our
shortcomings and our deviations from truths that we hold dear.We
are aware that we must put our ego
aside and put your identity foremost. We also are aware that this
can only happen through the intercession of the Holy Spirit that
is given to us due to the sacrifice of your Son, our Messiah,
Yahushua, and in this Name we ask your support. Amen.
"YermeYah" HalleluYAH
"UzulYao" Halleluyah!!
"EliYah" So let it be, HallelluYah!
"Obadiah" \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
"Qumran_Bet" UzulYao, what was your nick
before?
"UzulYao" ____ I'm a newbie at this chat
stuff!
"EliYah" Tonite I want to talk about a sin
that is rampant yet silentBut before I begin I want all to know
that I also fall short in this sin at times I say this so that I
would not appear as a hypocrite to Yahweh But I do want to share
some things in His word about this silent sin This sin is silent
because it is the sin itself that prevents men from admitting
itIt is the sin of Pride
Proverbs 30:32 - If thou hast done foolishly in lifting up
thyself, or if thou hast thought evil, lay thine hand upon thy
mouth.
"UzulYao" These six things does YHWH
HATE!!
"EliYah" If we have lifted ourselves up...
then let us put our hand over our mouth
Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an
haughty spirit before a fall.
Pride is deceptive
Obadiah 1:3 - The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee,
thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is
high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the
ground? :4 - Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though
thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down,
saith YAHWEH.
Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of YAHWEH is to hate evil: pride, and
arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Yahweh hates pride Yes, as we said a week ago.. Even a proud look
is an abomination to Him
Proverbs 6:16 - These six things doth YAHWEH hate: yea, seven
are an abomination unto him:
:17 - A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
A proud look? Yes Even a proud look! Why? I think that pride is
one of the most harmful sins that we do
It decieves us Often we think we don't have it And later realize
we do Pride though...can drive a man to do about
anything It can drive a man to be wealthy... artistic..(as in
music) powerful famous.. and even religous Why does Yahweh hate
pride so much? Is there anything that we really have to be proud
of?? Yahweh created the heavens and the earth and
all that is within Man has rebelled against his Creator from the
beginning of time Yes, from Eden all the way up to today...
Yahweh even sent His own Son to die for us.. And many are too
proud to even accept Him!
We must be careful when we say...We do this and that
It is Yahweh who gave us the breath of life Remember Job?
Job 38:1 - Then YAHWEH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and
said,:2 - Who is this that darkeneth
counsel by words without knowledge?:3 - Gird up now thy loins
like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. :4 -
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
declare, if thou hast understanding.
Yahweh spends the next 2 chapters declaring His worthiness And
our inability to even come close to His might
Isaiah 2:12 - For the day of YAHWEH of hosts shall be upon
every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is
lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
All those scriptures in Proverbs.. about the fool.. yet
Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit?
there is more hope of a fool than of him. A fool has more hope!
Proverbs 3:34 - Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth
grace unto the lowly.
Yahweh loves the humble and opposes the proud
1Peter 5:5 - Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves
to [your] elders. Yes, all of [you] be submissive to one another,
and be clothed with humility, for "YAHWEH resists the proud,
but gives favor to the humble."
With pride...there is no room for Yahweh
Psalms 10:4 - The wicked, through the pride of his
countenance, will not seek after Elohim: Elohim is not in all his
thoughts.
If we are great in our own eyes...
Jeremiah 43:2 - Then spake Azariah the son of Hoshaiah, and
Johanan the son of Kareah, and all the proud men, saying unto
Jeremiah, Thou speakest falsely: YAHWEH our Elohim hath not sent
thee to say, Go not into Egypt to sojourn there:
Will Yahweh show us truth? Will we accept His ways?
Jeremiah 49:16 - Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, and the
pride of thine heart, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the
rock, that holdest the height of the hill: though thou shouldest
make thy nest as high as the eagle, I will bring thee down from
thence saith YAHWEH.
James 4:13 - Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we
will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and
sell, and make a profit";
:14 - whereas you do not know what [will] [happen] tomorrow.
For what [is] your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a
little time and then vanishes away.
:15 - Instead you [ought] to say, "If YAHWEH wills, we shall
live and do this or that." In all that we do, it must be for
Yahweh
...When singing a hymn or a song...it must be done for Yahweh,
not for those who may be watching
When writing a sermon or message...it must be for Yahweh, not
because we want others to give us honor Let's look at David...
When he fought the Goliath...was it with his own might that he
boasted?
1Samuel 17:45 - Then said David to the Philistine, Thou
comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield:
but I come to thee in the name of YAHWEH of hosts, the Elohim of
the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.
He saw beyond the flesh David was small in the eyes of the people
Isn't that what Yahweh often does? He takes a small thing... And
does mighty things with it! So that His name will be honored
Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and
what doth YAHWEH require of thee, but to do justly, and to love
mercy, and to walk humbly with thy Elohim?
Isaiah 66:2 - For all those things hath mine hand made, and
those things have been, saith YAHWEH: but to this man will I
look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and
trembleth at my word.
Do we tremble at His word? Or search it...that we might find
accusation against another? Do read His word seeking for things
that might convict our heart? Or things that we might use to show
others that we are rightIt is good to seek the truth..and share
with others... But I think it is better when it convicted us
first Putting other people down is another thing
from pride I've met many a person that part of their personality
was putting others down.. so that they might appear better and
wise They might even make false accusations against others.. so
that they themselves appear righteous Gossip often comes from
pride
"JW" hello
"JW" what religion is this?
"Qumran_Bet" Shabbat Shalom, JW... Praise
YHWH that you are here!
"EliYah" Pride causes arguments and strife
in our homes
"SeaofLove" gutt shabbes
"EliYah" It is often the root of
rebellious children It is quite elusive
"JW" yeah, pride is really really bad.
"EliYah" What kept the Pharisees from
accepting the Messiah?Was it not pride?
"JW" yes it was not
John 12:42 - Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many
believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not
confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue::43 -
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of YAHWEH.
"EliYah" It certainly was there I've heard
prayers that were driven by pride
"Qumran_Bet" Shabbat Shalom, EMUNAH!
"Emunah" Shabbat Shalom!
"SeaofLove" gutt shabbes Emunah
* Emunah pulls up an chair and is staying awhile :-)
"EliYah" I think that when we start to
speak in our prayers as if Yahweh isn't in the first
person....pride is
often the reason I've heard this...many times Especially on
Christian programming
"Qumran_Bet" eliyah, please give us an
example... don't understand...
"EliYah" Hard to explain..but at some
point..the one offering prayer isn't talking to Yahweh anymore
but to the people listening in to the prayer
"SeaofLove" true...
prayer-as-a-performance
"EliYah" They even speak OF Yahweh rather
than TO Yahweh
Hosea 7:8 - Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people;
Ephraim is a cake not turned. :9 - Strangers have devoured his
strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and
there upon him, yet he knoweth not.
"SeaofLove" oh :)
"EliYah" Remember this prayer..
Luke 18:10 - Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one
a Pharisee, and the other a publican.:11 - The Pharisee stood and
prayed thus with himself, Elohim, I thank thee, that I am not as
other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this
publican.:12 - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all
that I possess.:13 - And the publican, standing afar off, would
not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his
breast, saying, Elohim be merciful to me a sinner.
8:14 - I tell you, this man went down to his house justified
rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall
be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
"EliYah" "every one that exalteth
himself shall be
abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." I
have seen this over and over and over again In lives of others as
well as my own
Luke 14:7 - And he put forth a parable to those which were
bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying
unto them,:8 - When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit
not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than
thou be bidden of him;:9 - And he that bade thee and him come and
say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to
take the lowest room.
:10 - But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest
room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee,
Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the
presence of them that sit at meat with thee.11 - For whosoever
exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself
shall be exalted.
"EliYah" I suppose that it is better to be
humbled in this life.. than in the next!For all things hidden
will come to light Before I close, I do want to share a scripture
that shows a different kind of pride
* Qumran_Bet misses their Sister Tamar. :( Hiding out from Trick
and Treaters...
Jeremiah 9:24 - But let him that glorieth glory in this, that
he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am YAHWEH which exercise
lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in
these things I delight, saith YAHWEH.
In context..
Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith YAHWEH, Let not the wise man glory
in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man
glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches::24
- But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth
and knoweth me, that I am YAHWEH which exercise lovingkindness,
judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I
delight, saith YAHWEH.
I don't think this gives us the go ahead to be self righteous
like the scribes and pharisees... But let our honor be in that we
are servants of Yahweh And the reason is because to it IS
Honorable to serve Almighty Yahweh!
May He bless you all as we serve Him with a servant's heart :)
"YermeYah" Praise YAHWEH
"Obadiah" \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
"UzulYao" HalleluYah
"EliYah" Blessed be Yahweh
"SeaofLove" Shabbos sholom Alohboy
"Qumran_Bet" Thank you, Father! --Br. J
"SeaofLove" \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o/
"UzulYao" Ithank you father! Glory!!
"Qumran_Bet" Eliyah: You have pointed how
pride puts us in opposition to understanding. Truth must be
limited by
the speed of our enlightenment... --Br. j
"UzulYao" Shalom Alohboy!
"Emunah" Isaiah 66:5 - Hear
the word of YAHWEH, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren
that hated you, that
cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let YAHWEH be glorified:
but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
* SeaofLove misses Tamar :(
"Qumran_Bet" If we are able to put YHWH
first and us and our ego aside, enlightenment will follow. --Br.
J ego="I"
"EliYah" The opening prayer fit right in
:)
"Obadiah" Knowledge and Character are two
different things.
"Qumran_Bet" "Leggo your ego!"
--Br. Clif
"UzulYao" Truth!!
"EliYah" That is a tov scripture Emunah
"Qumran_Bet" "We are listening to the
same spirit." --Br. J
"Qumran_Bet" True, Eliyah! --J&J
"EliYah" Ken :)
"Qumran_Bet" Does YHWH grant truth to
those without character? --Br. Clif
"Qumran_Bet" "By no means" --Br.
J
"EliYah" What do you mean by character?
"Emunah" He grants truth to only the
unworthy.
"Qumran_Bet" Character is consciousness,
of reality. --Br. J
"Obadiah" Does YHWH grant truth to those
without character? YES He does!
"Qumran_Bet" Meaning we are all
unworthy... :)
"Emunah" yes :-)
"UzulYao" Truth!
"Qumran_Bet" Why does YHWH grant truth to
those without character, obadiah? --Br. Clif
"JoBib" I have found that truth has been
revealed as my character is developed......
"Obadiah" I don't know the reason, but I
have seen many examples of it.
"UzulYao" Without character??
"Qumran_Bet" How about this? Can truth
give a person character? --Br. Clif
"Obadiah" It should
"EliYah" It can bring a person into the
true character of righteousness...the character of Yahshua
"JoBib" It did for snug :))))) hehehehehe
"Qumran_Bet" What if we reject a truth
that we have been given by Him, does our character improve? --Br.
Clif
"Obadiah" Where is snug?
"Qumran_Bet" JoBib, explain?
"JoBib" SHe is on the phone with me.....
"Obadiah" Say hi for bblman
"Qumran_Bet" What character did it give
her? --Br. Clif
"EliYah" I believe that Yahweh will reveal
the truth to those who are humble and obedient to the light shown
them
"Obadiah" People change. Pride puffs up.
Vanity creeps in.
"JoBib" when she thought that the
commandments were real...that was a start!
"UzulYao" This is the WAY walk ye in it!
"Qumran_Bet" : )
"Obadiah" Deuteronomy
30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you,
that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:
therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
"Qumran_Bet" Pride is a fine line... Once
you think you are humble, you have blown it. --Br. Clif
"EliYah" Yes
"JoBib" so true
"UzulYao" The sword is coming!!!
"Qumran_Bet" Sis. Juanita says, "I am
so proud that I am humble."
"Obadiah" hehe
"JoBib" We are so proud for her.....
"Qumran_Bet" How did her character change,
JoBib? Long time no see, Emunah! Welcome! : ) --Br. Clif
"Emunah" Thanks!
"JoBib" Well for one thing she got her act
together and married the man she was living with 15 years ago....
"Qumran_Bet" Br. Eliyah: is pride a
conscious sin that we decide to do, or a condition that sets in?
--Br. Clif
"EliYah" I think it can go either way
"Obadiah" 1John 2:16 - For all that
[is] in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes,
and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world.
"EliYah" It is deceptive
"Qumran_Bet" Pride is the outgrowth of
ignorance. Only the ignorant can be proud. --Br. J
"Obadiah" I dissagree
"Emunah" Pride is the place where Yah is
not.
"Qumran_Bet" And that is the place of
Ignorance.--Br. J
"Obadiah" One can be proud in their
knowledge.
"Qumran_Bet" But a person who has
knowledge knows how much they don't know. --Br. Clif
"Obadiah" I know more than you...........
"EliYah" Sometimes I fear that the
discussion forum can be a place for ego battles
"Qumran_Bet" But they also know what they
do know..." --Br. Clif
"Obadiah" Bet you are right....
"Emunah" brb
"Qumran_Bet" We can only know partially...
--Br. J
* Emunah 's wife needs to use the phone --- only one line :-( bb
in just a few....
"Qumran_Bet" In this, if we realize the
incompleteness,
this is where wisdom comes in. --Br. J
"Obadiah" I have been blessed with a bit
of knowledge, and I have to fight pride, and vanity all of the
time.
"Qumran_Bet" Amen, Br. Obadiah... --Br. J
You know, this whole Protestant thing about examining our motives
and becoming obsessed with that so much that we paralyze
ourselves into not doing the things that YHWH has clearly left
orders for us to do is NOT of YHWH. --Br. Clif
"Obadiah" Tomorrow our assembly SPLITS
over the "name" issue.
"EliYah" What we must realize I think...
"Obadiah" It's official
"UzulYao" And the drag_nwas wrought with
the woman & went to make war w/ her seed that keep the
commandments of
YHWH!
"EliYah" +Psalms 111:10 - The fear of YAHWEH is the
beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do
his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
"Qumran_Bet" Pronunciation or whether it
should be pronounced? --Br. J
"Qumran_Bet" How many in this assembly?
--Br. J
"JoBib" Snug was just saying that...the
fear counteracts pride
"Obadiah" 50+ Jesus - Lord vs Yahweh -
Yahshua
"EliYah" Job 28:28 - And unto man he
said, Behold, the fear of YAHWEH, that is wisdom; and to depart
from evil
is understanding.
"Qumran_Bet" Is it an even split 50/50?
"Obadiah" 70/30 in favor of the names, me
thinks
"Qumran_Bet" Praise Yah! --Br. J
"Qumran_Bet" If there be but one, it is
favorable. --Br. J
* Obadiah is woried about the little ones
"Obadiah" Babs in Messiah
"Qumran_Bet" For of such is the kingdom of
heaven... --QB
"Obadiah" babes
"Sad_man" sorry to ask this question... r
u open minded? (no ofence please just asking...)
"UzulYao" Revelations 14:12 - Here is
the patience of the saints; here [are] those who keep the
commandments of
YAHWEH and the faith of YAHSHUA.
"EliYah" Sad_Man...open to truth
"Qumran_Bet" His sheep will hear his
voice...
* Obadiah is
"Sad_man" thanks for answering...
"Obadiah" Can we help?
"UzulYao" Revelations 22:14 - Blessed
[are] those who do His commandments, that they may have the right
to the
tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
"Sad_man" who me?
"Obadiah" yes Sad_man
"UzulYao" Proverbs 2:1 - My son, if
thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
:3 - Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy
voice for understanding;:4 - If thou seekest her as silver, and
searchest for her as for hid treasures;
"Sad_man" Well you actually can... I'm
just a mind in search of knowledge... just keep on talking I'll
take what I can... (If that don't offend you of course...)
"UzulYao" Proverbs 2:5 - Then shalt
thou understand the fear of YAHWEH, and find the knowledge of
Elohim.
"Obadiah" Feel free
"Sad_man" thanks again friend...
"UzulYao" There is a friend that sticketh
closer than a Brother
"UzulYao" Proverbs
3:1 - My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my
commandments:
:2 - For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add
to thee.:3 - Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them
about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart::4 - So
shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of
Elohim and man.:5 - Trust in YAHWEH with all thine heart; and
lean not unto thine own understanding.:6 - In all thy ways
acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
"UzulYao" HalleluYah!!
"EliYah" Yes
"YermeYah" Praise HIM!
"UzulYao" He is worthy to be praised!
"UzulYao" Proverbs 4:4 - He taught me
also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my
commandments, and live.
"UzulYao" Proverbs 10:8 - The wise in
heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.:9
- He that walketh uprightly walketh surely: but he that
perverteth his ways shall be known.:8 - The wise in heart will
receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.:9 - He that
walketh uprightly walketh surely: but he that perverteth his ways
shall be known.
"UzulYao" Isaiah 30:21 - And thine ears shall
hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it,
when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
"UzulYao" Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in
at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way,
that
leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
"UzulYao" Isaiah 30:21 - And thine
ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk
ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the
left.
"UzulYao" HalleluYah! The King is
coming!!!
"EliYah" Praise YAHWEH !!
"Qumran_Bet" o/~
"UzulYao" :)))
"Qumran_Bet" Colors on the sabbath? ;)
"EliYah" tehe
"EliYah" Revelations 22:20 - He who
testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming
quickly." So be it. Even so, come, Master YAHSHUA!
"UzulYao" Hebrews 10:37 - "For
yet a little while, [and] he who is coming will come and will not
tarry.
"EliYah" Well, I suppose that it is time
to now close
the meeting...
"EliYah" Obadiah, would you like to offer
a closing prayer We can still fellowship afterwards..getting late
:)
"Obadiah" Closing prayer Father Help us
always to be humble, and of a contrite spirit Forgive us of our
many transgressions Help us to put aside the Pride of life that
offends you father We thank you always for your MANY blessings
Help us to know, and DO your will We ask this in the name of your
glorious son Yahshua Messiah
"EliYah" So let it be, HalleluYah :)
"YermeYah" HallauYAH
"Qumran_Bet" So let it be! --QB
"UzulYao" Glory To YHWH!
"JoBib" ameyn
"SeaofLove" amein kol ha-n'shama
t'hal'lu-yah
"Obadiah" Yahweh bless you, and keep you.
Yahweh make his face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you.
Yahweh
lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
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